RE: [Hornlist] re:Auf dem stom
Richard Hirsh wrote: >There was a stylistically similar recording made in the late 1970's by >Robert Tear with the horn and piano from Nash Ensemble, whose names escape >me. Quite satisfying and good German diction. At Sotone Historic Recordings we have an "Auf dem Strom" with Robert Tear on our Neill Sanders CD. I agree with Richard - it sounds much better with a tenor. You can hear the opening of this recording at http://www.sotone.com/samples/sanders_auf.mp3 It was recorded around 1970 along with Schumann's Adagio and Allegro and the Brahms Trio with members of the Melos Ensemble. Cheers, Steve Steven Ovitsky Executive Director Santa Fe Chamber Music Festival ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] re:Auf dem stom
Hans, The recording I have with Pears and Brain was recorded in the BBC studios, it is included in a collection of live BBC rocordings Brain made for the radio. I sold several of those disks but I can't find it any longer. (Laughing at myself... I was about to write that the composer was at the piano... that would have been a trick!) Regards, Leonard A "huge tenor" would change the piece indeed, but to the worse, because of changing the character. And wasn´t the Peter Pears & Dennis Brain recording made from a life concert during the Holland festival and how long back ? There is another very old - perhaps the oldest - recording of "Auf dem Strom" (by the way, "Auf" means nothing than "upon") with Peter Anders (ten), Michael Raucheisen (pno) & Hans Berger (horn - father of Roland Berger), recorded in the Berlin Studio about 1941. It is published on HPE-CD04. This recording might be some example how to pronounce the words right.<< == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard & Peggy Brown Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:39 AM To: horn list memphis Subject: [Hornlist] re:Auf dem stom I've got Auf dem Strom with Peter Pears and Dennis Brain. Pears sounds like he has the mike in his hand and poor Dennis is fighting to be heard. Having a huge ternor really changes the feeling of the song for sure! About the E fingerings, I use to make some tubes for Holton horns that would lower the pitch to E/A horn, very nicely I might add. Auf was a lot more fun using regular fingerings. Leonard in Laredo DalleyHN wrote: That reminds me, based on the text it seems natural that the voice should be a tenor. Good call! Auf dem Strom was originally written for a tenor, specifically Ludwig Tietze, who sang it at its premier on March 26, 1828 with Schubert himself at the piano and J.R. Lewy performing the horn part, probably on a two-valve (possibly three-valve) horn. A valved horn pitched in E would have none of the cross-fingering problems that vex an F horn player transposing the part. I've played this piece both in E as well as D horn to accommodate the range of specific singers. The D transposition is less taxing endurance-wise (Schubert is very stingy with rests), but does little to simplify the fingering. Richard in Seattle wishing all a Happy New Year!> ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] re:Auf dem stom
If you use the F-side mainly & the Bb-side just for the top notes, you dont need to alter the horn. It is much better & easier to change one´s attitude than to change the hard ware. This avoids also the confusion between fingering & what you hear. A "huge tenor" would change the piece indeed, but to the worse, because of changing the character. And wasn´t the Peter Pears & Dennis Brain recording made from a life concert during the Holland festival and how long back ? There is another very old - perhaps the oldest - recording of "Auf dem Strom" (by the way, "Auf" means nothing than "upon") with Peter Anders (ten), Michael Raucheisen (pno) & Hans Berger (horn - father of Roland Berger), recorded in the Berlin Studio about 1941. It is published on HPE-CD04. This recording might be some example how to pronounce the words right. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard & Peggy Brown Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:39 AM To: horn list memphis Subject: [Hornlist] re:Auf dem stom I've got Auf dem Strom with Peter Pears and Dennis Brain. Pears sounds like he has the mike in his hand and poor Dennis is fighting to be heard. Having a huge ternor really changes the feeling of the song for sure! About the E fingerings, I use to make some tubes for Holton horns that would lower the pitch to E/A horn, very nicely I might add. Auf was a lot more fun using regular fingerings. Leonard in Laredo DalleyHN wrote: > That reminds me, based on the text it seems natural that the voice > should be a tenor. > Good call! Auf dem Strom was originally written for a tenor, specifically Ludwig Tietze, who sang it at its premier on March 26, 1828 with Schubert himself at the piano and J.R. Lewy performing the horn part, probably on a two-valve (possibly three-valve) horn. A valved horn pitched in E would have none of the cross-fingering problems that vex an F horn player transposing the part. I've played this piece both in E as well as D horn to accommodate the range of specific singers. The D transposition is less taxing endurance-wise (Schubert is very stingy with rests), but does little to simplify the fingering. Richard in Seattle wishing all a Happy New Year!> ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
