Re: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 and En Foret; and a complaint
Hi, Chris, Yes, in the B H edition, there are a few misprints. The note you ask about is played a concert F in the two recordings I have (Barry Tuckwell, 1990, and Peter Damm). In the CD liner notes of the Tuckwell recording, he slams BH and their errors in the score, regarding notes, phrasings, dynamics and tempos (tempi?). I can't comment on En Foret ... somehow, I made it all the way through grad school without ever seeing the piece. A pet peeve of mine ... I have the BBC issued CD of Dennis Brain playing Beethoven Sextet Op. 81b, Auf dem Strom and Haydn 1, among other things. Amongst the liner notes are some photos of DB with other musicians ... who shall remain nameless, because there are no captions. Thanks, BBC. Supplying few names would be nice. Maybe some of the UK groupies could help. There. Now I feel better. Bill --- On Sun, 8/9/09, christopher Griffin g4grif...@hotmail.com wrote: From: christopher Griffin g4grif...@hotmail.com Subject: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 and En Foret To: hornmailing list horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 9:03 AM Hi guys! This might be opening a can of worms but does anyone know of any misprints in Strauss 2 (Boosey Hawkes) and the Bozza En Foret (Alphonse Leduc)? I especially wanted to know about the last eighth note of the bar before 36 in the last movement of the Strauss. I'm sure it must go back to an F concert but it is printed as an F-sharp concert in both the score and the horn part. The F-sharp works in a weird kind of way. I'm also wondering what people think about going down to a low A in the second horn call near the end of the Bozza. It is printed as the A just below middle C. Some go down to the low A. I'm curious why, in such a tour de force, that Bozza would have written the low A anyway. Thanks in advance! C Griffin ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 and En Foret; and a complaint
Hi all, There is a misprint in En Foret, I believe, in the 5th bar of reh. 17 on the second beat. That note should be a written Bb, sounding Eb. Hope your summers are all good. Bob ** Robert N. Ward Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony rnw...@comcast.net On Aug 9, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Bill Tyler wrote: Hi, Chris, Yes, in the B H edition, there are a few misprints. The note you ask about is played a concert F in the two recordings I have (Barry Tuckwell, 1990, and Peter Damm). In the CD liner notes of the Tuckwell recording, he slams BH and their errors in the score, regarding notes, phrasings, dynamics and tempos (tempi?). I can't comment on En Foret ... somehow, I made it all the way through grad school without ever seeing the piece. A pet peeve of mine ... I have the BBC issued CD of Dennis Brain playing Beethoven Sextet Op. 81b, Auf dem Strom and Haydn 1, among other things. Amongst the liner notes are some photos of DB with other musicians ... who shall remain nameless, because there are no captions. Thanks, BBC. Supplying few names would be nice. Maybe some of the UK groupies could help. There. Now I feel better. Bill --- On Sun, 8/9/09, christopher Griffin g4grif...@hotmail.com wrote: From: christopher Griffin g4grif...@hotmail.com Subject: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 and En Foret To: hornmailing list horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 9:03 AM Hi guys! This might be opening a can of worms but does anyone know of any misprints in Strauss 2 (Boosey Hawkes) and the Bozza En Foret (Alphonse Leduc)? I especially wanted to know about the last eighth note of the bar before 36 in the last movement of the Strauss. I'm sure it must go back to an F concert but it is printed as an F-sharp concert in both the score and the horn part. The F-sharp works in a weird kind of way. I'm also wondering what people think about going down to a low A in the second horn call near the end of the Bozza. It is printed as the A just below middle C. Some go down to the low A. I'm curious why, in such a tour de force, that Bozza would have written the low A anyway. Thanks in advance! C Griffin ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rnward%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Strauss 2
I certainly have the original solo part. I would have looked at my part, but I didn't have it with me (in another country) because I have it memorized to the point of being able to rewrite it, dynamic markings, tempo markings, everything, from memory. That is why I was asking. If I were at home, of course I would have looked at the original part. It was unavailable to me. Amy -- Original message -- From: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Amy, if you have to fill out an application for a concerto competition regarding Strauss 2, you should own the solo part at least, right ? There is a publisher named at the bottom. I assume you use the original solo part not a copy/xerox where the publisher had be erased ? These publishers provide the full orchestra material, but on rental basis the rental is quite expensive - you get all info from Boosey Hawkes local (your country) agent. Well, this difficulties finding something special over the net is the back-bounce-effect of the Google-aera ... ! Simple answers, most logical answers - Google = no-no ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:27 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 Hey all, I am filling out an application for a concerto competition, and I need to know the publisher of Strauss's Second horn concerto, and if the part would be easily available for purchase or rent. Anyone know where I could get the answer? A google search just showed places like Amazon.com, with CDs and stuff. It dawned on me that someone out there might have a really easy, really quick answer. Thanks! Amy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/akruegs629%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Strauss 2
Correction...The orchestral parts are rental only. I believe there is a mini score available for purchase and the solo part with piano reduction from Boosey. Currently Boosey is distributed through Hal Leonard if your music store has trouble finding them. AO On 12/14/07, Andrew Otman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amy, It is rental only from Boosey and Hawkes. If you are in the U.S. the contact number is 212 358 5300 ext. 2 . AO On 12/14/07, hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Amy, if you have to fill out an application for a concerto competition regarding Strauss 2, you should own the solo part at least, right ? There is a publisher named at the bottom. I assume you use the original solo part not a copy/xerox where the publisher had be erased ? These publishers provide the full orchestra material, but on rental basis the rental is quite expensive - you get all info from Boosey Hawkes local (your country) agent. Well, this difficulties finding something special over the net is the back-bounce-effect of the Google-aera ... ! Simple answers, most logical answers - Google = no-no ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:27 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 Hey all, I am filling out an application for a concerto competition, and I need to know the publisher of Strauss's Second horn concerto, and if the part would be easily available for purchase or rent. Anyone know where I could get the answer? A google search just showed places like Amazon.com http://amazon.com/, with CDs and stuff. It dawned on me that someone out there might have a really easy, really quick answer. Thanks! Amy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/andrewtortman%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Strauss 2
Amy, It is rental only from Boosey and Hawkes. If you are in the U.S. the contact number is 212 358 5300 ext. 2 . AO On 12/14/07, hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Amy, if you have to fill out an application for a concerto competition regarding Strauss 2, you should own the solo part at least, right ? There is a publisher named at the bottom. I assume you use the original solo part not a copy/xerox where the publisher had be erased ? These publishers provide the full orchestra material, but on rental basis the rental is quite expensive - you get all info from Boosey Hawkes local (your country) agent. Well, this difficulties finding something special over the net is the back-bounce-effect of the Google-aera ... ! Simple answers, most logical answers - Google = no-no ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:27 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 Hey all, I am filling out an application for a concerto competition, and I need to know the publisher of Strauss's Second horn concerto, and if the part would be easily available for purchase or rent. Anyone know where I could get the answer? A google search just showed places like Amazon.com, with CDs and stuff. It dawned on me that someone out there might have a really easy, really quick answer. Thanks! Amy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/andrewtortman%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Strauss 2
Hello Amy, if you have to fill out an application for a concerto competition regarding Strauss 2, you should own the solo part at least, right ? There is a publisher named at the bottom. I assume you use the original solo part not a copy/xerox where the publisher had be erased ? These publishers provide the full orchestra material, but on rental basis the rental is quite expensive - you get all info from Boosey Hawkes local (your country) agent. Well, this difficulties finding something special over the net is the back-bounce-effect of the Google-aera ... ! Simple answers, most logical answers - Google = no-no ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:27 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 Hey all, I am filling out an application for a concerto competition, and I need to know the publisher of Strauss's Second horn concerto, and if the part would be easily available for purchase or rent. Anyone know where I could get the answer? A google search just showed places like Amazon.com, with CDs and stuff. It dawned on me that someone out there might have a really easy, really quick answer. Thanks! Amy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Strauss 2
Isn't it published by Boosey and Hawkes? Check up by looking at Paxman's catalogue (do a google on Paxman) lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Strauss 2
And when I say part, I meant full orchestral score/parts. I found out Boosey Hawkes publishes, but they only seem to have a study score and piano reduction available. Any help would be welcome... Thanks! Amy -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey all, I am filling out an application for a concerto competition, and I need to know the publisher of Strauss's Second horn concerto, and if the part would be easily available for purchase or rent. Anyone know where I could get the answer? A google search just showed places like Amazon.com, with CDs and stuff. It dawned on me that someone out there might have a really easy, really quick answer. Thanks! Amy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/akruegs629%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Strauss 2
John Dutton wrote: Amy, check with David Thompson at www.thompsonedition.com. I am sure he can help. The orchestral materials for the second Strauss concerto are indeed readily available, but are handled on a rental basis only directly by Boosey and Hawkes. Amy can contact their New York office to arrange for that rental if the occasion arises. Of course, we would be happy to supply the study score for that work, or any other publication which is available on a sale basis. David B. Thompson, President Thompson Edition, Inc. http://www.thompsonedition.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 Slow Movement (long-ish)
Just go check out the facsimile of the horn part that was use for the first performances of this concerto by Gottfried von Freiburg. The second movement is posted here on Hans Pizka's website: http://www.pizka.de/RStr2-4.htm For the second movement, there are breath marks inserted that are quite logical and make the phrasing easy to follow. Pete Jilka Kansas City, MO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 Slow Movement (long-ish)
Hello Pete I'm aware of the facsimile and its phrasing - I also have a copy of Hans Pizka's own part which he used in his recording in the 60's. Barry Tuckwell thinks that the published edition is often inaccurate in respect of the original manuscript. Of course the printed score may be wrong, or simply reflect corrections made during the publication process, but I still think that it repays looking carefully at the whole structure rather than just from the soloist's viewpoint. Does anyone have an accurate publication history of the work, from when the MS was sent to BH and what revisions were made by Strauss himself? DK On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:26, you wrote: Just go check out the facsimile of the horn part that was use for the first performances of this concerto by Gottfried von Freiburg. The second movement is posted here on Hans Pizka's website: http://www.pizka.de/RStr2-4.htm For the second movement, there are breath marks inserted that are quite logical and make the phrasing easy to follow. Pete Jilka Kansas City, MO -- Systemsolve Pty Ltd 03 9833 4421/0413 043 586 http://www.systemsolve.net http://www.music.systemsolve.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 Slow Movement (long-ish)
Hi tooters, again I just listened to Tuckwell's 1990 (?) recording of the Strauss - and at figure 24 he observes the phrasing exactly as in the score, and it blends beautifully with the WW. Later on he diverges slightly (figure 27), but now as the single solo line he can be more liberal. DK -- Systemsolve Pty Ltd 03 9833 4421/0413 043 586 http://www.systemsolve.net http://www.music.systemsolve.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
