RE: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
William- Get yourself a piece of dowel about 1/2 x 4 and a rawhide mallet. Place the end of the dowel against the ring at a slight angle. Using the rawhide mallet strike the dowel a number of sharp blows, rotating around the ring in a clockwise direction. Remember, a lot of little taps is better than one great big one. After the ring is removed, use the dowel to drive off the bottom bearing plate. When reassembling, line the bottom bearing plate up with the alignment mark (making sure it's on the right casing-all non-interchangeable parts are numbered). Push it in as far as it will go with your fingers, then tap straight down lightly with your dowel and mallet until it seats firmly on the casing. Then, screw the retaining ring back on tight. Tap around the circumference of the ring and retighten (twice). Bob Osmun www.osmun.com PS-This is the kind of information we provide free to our customers. Following the half-baked, un-informed, purely speculative advice you get from this list is a good way to seriously damage a valuable instrument. PPS-For gripping things on musical instruments, you can't beat the big, fat rubber bands that come on bunches of broccoli. Plus, the broccoli is really good for you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings? I have a quick question. I was wanting to clean out the bottom bearing plates on my Schmid, but the bottom screw rings on the valves appear to be stuck. Does anyone know the best way to get them un-stuck so I can clean out the bottom bearing plates? -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rosmun%40osmun.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
They are usually soldered in place. You must remove the rotor. I have a quick question. I was wanting to clean out the bottom bearing plates on my Schmid, but the bottom screw rings on the valves appear to be stuck. Does anyone know the best way to get them un-stuck so I can clean out the bottom bearing plates? -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jamesarthurkirk%40att.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
Well I can see screw threads near them and no solder anywhere. -William In a message dated 12/21/2003 10:14:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They are usually soldered in place. You must remove the rotor. I have a quick question. I was wanting to clean out the bottom bearing plates on my Schmid, but the bottom screw rings on the valves appear to be stuck. Does anyone know the best way to get them un-stuck so I can clean out the bottom bearing plates? -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
I knew it :) I actually sprayed some WD40 in there an hour ago and I can't get them out by hand. Do they make strap wrenches or anything small enough to use? I definately don't want to start using pliars. -William In a message dated 12/21/2003 10:22:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William, The screw rings on a E.Schmid horn are NOT soldered. You might want to try some Wd-40 on the rings. Let it sit in the threads for an hour or so and try removing them by hand again. Paul navarro ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
William, No ,do not resort to wrenches or pliers. You could use a thin leather belt- about 1/2 wide. Wrap the belt around the ring, pull it tightly around the ring with your fingers, and holding it in that position try to unscrew the ring. Use light pressure and do not force it , but this gives you a little more leverage around the entire ring. paul ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
The pliars were in jest only :P I found a nice sized belt but it's really hard to get a grip on things in there. -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
William, This is very true, but you only need to move it a few thousands of an inch with the belt to get it started. Then it should come off by hand. Paul ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
I'm finding it difficult to get it to move that first few thousandths of an inch. I'm going to spray a little more WD40 in there, let it sit, but if it doesn't budge after that I wonder if some guy didn't put loc-tite or something in there -William In a message dated 12/21/2003 10:35:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William, This is very true, but you only need to move it a few thousands of an inch with the belt to get it started. Then it should come off by hand. Paul ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
At 1:38 PM -0500 12/21/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm finding it difficult to get it to move that first few thousandths of an inch. I'm going to spray a little more WD40 in there, let it sit, but if it doesn't budge after that I wonder if some guy didn't put loc-tite or something in there Having these guys tight or stuck is a blessing in disguise. Leave them alone! Take the rotors out and clean things from there. Carlberg Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO From the US - 011-52-473-731-0179 Cell. from the US - 011-52-473-560-8020 Cel. local - 044-473-560-8020 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
Well the reason why I want to clean out everything is because I can look with a flashlight and tell that there is some dirt that I want to get rid of, and well the little ultrasonic cleaner I have isn't big enough to support the entire horn :P Also, I do wish to be thorough since soap and water doesn't get everywhere you want it to get to clean things out, especially when a bearing plate could be stuck enough to not let any water get between it and the side of the casing. As to the bottom screw rings being stuck, it seems to me that they shouldn't really permanently be on there. I can't really see any reason why you'd want them stuck there unless you were afraid they would unscrew mid-practice. If you screw them on tight enough where they stay but aren't stuck then you shouldn't have a problem, correct? The top bearings seem to be made so that they wedge themselves into the casing and so they don't move, so it stands to reason the bottom bearings would be likewise. -William In a message dated 12/21/2003 10:45:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having these guys tight or stuck is a blessing in disguise. Leave them alone! Take the rotors out and clean things from there. Carlberg Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO From the US - 011-52-473-731-0179 Cell. from the US - 011-52-473-560-8020 Cel. local - 044-473-560-8020 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
On second thoughts I can see why they from a mechanical view should be stuck there. I am taking into account that a valve that drifts downward isn't a good thing :P Oh well, thanks for the advice. At least I can clean out the rest. -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
Exaggerated. A thousandth of an inch is just 0,025 mms. Admit, it is a bit more. Happy Holidays to everybody on the list. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings? William, This is very true, but you only need to move it a few thousands of an inch with the belt to get it started. Then it should come off by hand. Paul ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
Yes, it is much better this way than to ruin the wholething. The best way is, not to get it become dirty there inside. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlberg Jones Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:43 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings? At 1:38 PM -0500 12/21/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm finding it difficult to get it to move that first few thousandths of an inch. I'm going to spray a little more WD40 in there, let it sit, but if it doesn't budge after that I wonder if some guy didn't put loc-tite or something in there Having these guys tight or stuck is a blessing in disguise. Leave them alone! Take the rotors out and clean things from there. Carlberg Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO From the US - 011-52-473-731-0179 Cell. from the US - 011-52-473-560-8020 Cel. local - 044-473-560-8020 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
