RE: [Hornlist] worst piece of music!
Last summer I saw it performed by 4-person handbell choir. Nobody got hurt. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kowalchuk Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 2:19 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] worst piece of music! At 02:29 PM 12/12/05 -0500, David Goldberg wrote: >Is there any law against Buglers' Holiday being a stunning vehicle for >three solo horns? 'Tis the season to double tongue. Now, that's real >music - let the walls come a tumblin' down! At the Rochester IHS Workshop in '97, 8 hornplayers from Japan, calling themselves the Tokyo Ultrahornists played the whole thing including the runny bits normally executed by the woodwinds. Why not three horns and band? John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/baumgart%40chicagonet.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I'd have to say that the King march "The Big Cage" was one of the most annoying things I've ever played. We recently played it at an honor band where most of the people in it had no business being there in the first place. Us horn geeks, as much as we hate offbeats, decided that just playing straight eighth notes in a march violated some sacred law in horn music so we played offbeats anyways and threw some random little turns and trills and stuff whenever we felt like it. (But only during rehearsal, I should add!) The other members of the band were screwing up enough to totally mask the little liberties we were taking in our parts and it really helped time pass by faster so we figured it was worth it. Fun stuff. Fred Baucom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think probably the worst for me was 'If I Were A Rich Man', arranged for horn and accordian. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/littlesmurf_upnorth%40yahoo.com - Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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At 02:29 PM 12/12/05 -0500, David Goldberg wrote: >Is there any law against Buglers' Holiday being a stunning vehicle for >three solo horns? 'Tis the season to double tongue. Now, that's real >music - let the walls come a tumblin' down! At the Rochester IHS Workshop in '97, 8 hornplayers from Japan, calling themselves the Tokyo Ultrahornists played the whole thing including the runny bits normally executed by the woodwinds. Why not three horns and band? John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Where can I get a copy? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Baucom Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:50 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] worst piece of music! I think probably the worst for me was 'If I Were A Rich Man', arranged for horn and accordian. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I think probably the worst for me was 'If I Were A Rich Man', arranged for horn and accordian. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] worst piece of music!
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Kathy Lowe wrote:
Played Buglers Holiday with trombone trio once. That
was good. (course I'm biased, my husband was on the
3rd solo part)
Is there any law against Buglers' Holiday being a stunning vehicle for
three solo horns? 'Tis the season to double tongue. Now, that's real
music - let the walls come a tumblin' down!
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On Monday, December 12, 2005, at 11:37 AM, Alan Cole wrote: Prof. Schickele was quoting Duke Ellington. Yes, I know that, but Prof. Sch. popularized his comment much more widely than the Duke did. Paul Mansur ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Aw come on. It's just not Christmas without Leroy Anderson. The problem with my band is that we either do all of them or none at all. Played Buglers Holiday with trombone trio once. That was good. (course I'm biased, my husband was on the 3rd solo part) Kathy Amateur message: 4 date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:44:36 -0600 from: "Bill Gross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: RE: [Hornlist] worst piece of music! Anything arrange by Leroy Anderson for Concert Band. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] worst piece of music!
Prof. Schickele was quoting Duke Ellington. In a semi-related vein, Mark Twain said, "Wagner's music is better than is sounds." -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ At 10:34 AM 12/12/2005, you wrote: I'm with Schickele Mix on this one. If it sounds good, it is good. P Mansur -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] worst piece of music!
I don't think "Sleigh Ride" is a bad piece at all and I quite like it. It is a well-crafted little gem as are so many of Leroy Anderson's pieces. I also think his Christmas Festival or whatever it's called is the best all-round Christmas medley I've ever heard. However, I can certainly see getting a hate on for "Sleigh Ride" because of it's over-exposure. Someone mentioned "The Stars & Stripes Forever". I suspect the same thing is at work here, over-exposure. Despite the boring horn parts, I think Sousa was unsurpassed as a march composer. I wonder how many of us are really qualified to say that a piece is bad, let alone the worst. If you don't like a piece--for whatevcr reason--fair enough. But that doesn't neccessarily make the piece bad except in your own eyes (or ears). I happen to detest Prokofiev's Classical Symphony. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's because it sounds like a bloody flute concerto and I don't care for the sound of the flute. Yet I don't feel I can really say that it's bad. I've never even looked at the score. No, I like "Sleigh Ride" and don't mind hearing it a lot. (I like that little bit near the end where it gets jazzy.) If you want irritating (I won't say bad) Christmas music, how about "The little drummer boy" or "Carol of the bells"? Now these pieces may not be bad, but they ARE exquisitely awful. Eric James __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I'm with Schickele Mix on this one. If it sounds good, it is good. P Mansur On Sunday, December 11, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Karl Feinauer wrote: I also agree that it sucks. I like the beginning of A Christmas Festival though. But overall they are no good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Gross Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:45 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] worst piece of music! Anything arrange by Leroy Anderson for Concert Band. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:29 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] worst piece of music! How about playing "Sleigh Ride" ten nights in a row?Got so I knew it by memory, but wished I didn't! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/karlwf%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] worst piece of music!
Also to toss into the mix, when you look for the definition, are you looking
from the performers point of view of the listeners?
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Alan Cole wrote:
> Leroy Anderson did with musical notes what Norman Rockwell did with
> paints on canvas.
>
> Not that there is anything wrong with that.
>
> -- Alan Cole, rank amateur
I was tempted to mention artist Thomas Kinkade instead of Norman Rockwell,
but I'm not sure; and to add the poetry of Edgar ("It takes a heap o'
living to make a house a home.") Guest, to cement the analogy in a third
genre.
But is there a way to measure, to define what this worst-ness is? I think
that we can find common elements in Sleigh Ride with other music that we
wouldn't at all consider a candidate for this distinction. Is it the use
of sleigh bells? The cild-like innocence? The embarrassingly inane
melody? Well, what is 'inane'? Does Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite inspire
similar description? If it involves the use of near-instruments, then how
bad is the Anvil Chorus from Il Trovatore?
These are questions looking for analytical answers. Is it possible say,
to compile a list of attributes to grade a musical piece to measure
badness? I don't mean to make judgments, although I happen to not care
for Anderson's Sleigh Ride - I much prefer his Typewriter song, but not
enough to ever listen to it or learn to play the solo instrument.
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RE: [Hornlist] worst piece of music!
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Alan Cole wrote:
Leroy Anderson did with musical notes what Norman Rockwell did with
paints on canvas.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
-- Alan Cole, rank amateur
I was tempted to mention artist Thomas Kinkade instead of Norman Rockwell,
but I'm not sure; and to add the poetry of Edgar ("It takes a heap o'
living to make a house a home.") Guest, to cement the analogy in a third
genre.
But is there a way to measure, to define what this worst-ness is? I think
that we can find common elements in Sleigh Ride with other music that we
wouldn't at all consider a candidate for this distinction. Is it the use
of sleigh bells? The cild-like innocence? The embarrassingly inane
melody? Well, what is 'inane'? Does Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite inspire
similar description? If it involves the use of near-instruments, then how
bad is the Anvil Chorus from Il Trovatore?
These are questions looking for analytical answers. Is it possible say,
to compile a list of attributes to grade a musical piece to measure
badness? I don't mean to make judgments, although I happen to not care
for Anderson's Sleigh Ride - I much prefer his Typewriter song, but not
enough to ever listen to it or learn to play the solo instrument.
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RE: [Hornlist] worst piece of music!
As best I can guess he did most of his work when decent horn players were few and far between. He wrote for his market, the world changed but he had a large volume of work and no one else seemed to be interested in updating what might be available. The left several generations of concert bands left with his works. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cole Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:04 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] worst piece of music! Harvard. Not that there's anything wrong with that. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. Leroy Anderson was the band director at either Harvard or Yale. I can never remember. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Harvard. Not that there's anything wrong with that. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. Leroy Anderson was the band director at either Harvard or Yale. I can never remember. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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For me the piece I dislike the most is Stars and Stripes Forever. Not only have I played it several thousand times, but most conductors don't know how to do it correctly. They should listen to the Sousa Band's recording. I have the original 78 rpm disk, but I know it's been re-issued on CD someplace. By the way, Leroy Anderson was the band director at either Harvard or Yale. I can never remember. Many of his works were originally written for the concert band and later adapted for the Boston Pops Orchestra. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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A simple question, Band or Orchestra?The parts for each are different. The orchestra part doesn't have as many afterbeats. I have played this son of gun in a lot of different venues. I think the worst was at a Holiday Ice show, where the orchestra was placed on one end of the ice rink. We thought we were going to freeze to death. We were on risers, but I did the job. The orchestra had to do it for two shows. The orchestra board of directors agreed to do it again the next year even after all the complaining by orchestra members...b... Walt Lewis At 04:29 PM 12/11/2005 -0500, you wrote: How about playing "Sleigh Ride" ten nights in a row?Got so I knew it by memory, but wished I didn't! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wlewis9637%40wowway.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I also agree that it sucks. I like the beginning of A Christmas Festival though. But overall they are no good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Gross Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:45 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] worst piece of music! Anything arrange by Leroy Anderson for Concert Band. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:29 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] worst piece of music! How about playing "Sleigh Ride" ten nights in a row?Got so I knew it by memory, but wished I didn't! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/karlwf%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I Love Sleigh Ride! It wouldn't be Christmas without it! CORdially, Luke Zyla 2nd horn, WV Symphony Orchestra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about playing "Sleigh Ride" ten nights in a row?Got so I knew it by memory, but wished I didn't! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40charter.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Indeed. While I find A Christmas Festival somewhat tolerable. Our concert tonight ends with Sleigh Ride. For better or for worse, I sit next to the 1st Alto Saxogroan, so I can play that part if I feel like it. John Baumagrt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Gross Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:45 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] worst piece of music! Anything arrange by Leroy Anderson for Concert Band. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:29 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] worst piece of music! How about playing "Sleigh Ride" ten nights in a row?Got so I knew it by memory, but wished I didn't! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/baumgart%40chicagonet.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Anything arrange by Leroy Anderson for Concert Band. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:29 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] worst piece of music! How about playing "Sleigh Ride" ten nights in a row?Got so I knew it by memory, but wished I didn't! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
