Re: AW: [Hornlist] How to adjust the slides?
In a message dated 7/31/2003 9:38:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fine tuning the horn is for people with advanced inner ears and a highly developed skill of locating the sweat spots for the notes on a horn. Hi Scott, I'll remember this as I play Joseph . Dreamcoat tonight outdoors in the 85-90 degree heat. There will be sweat spots on both the horn and me. ;-D Hope all is well with you and yours in Germany. Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: AW: [Hornlist] How to adjust the slides?
SCott, if you were in a professional orchestra, you would adjust your horn according to the given a2 of the oboe. It is nonsense to play the same note on the horn. One must tune the horn with an interval. So the best note (a note which is good on both sides of most horns) should be the concert f1 our written c2 in the middle of the staff. If the interval to the given a of the oboe is fine, the general intonation of the horn might be fine. If the slides are adjusted to my thumb rule, most notes are well tune. But one needs a good ear to recognize if one note is a bit sharp another flat, so to correct it by the lips or the right hand instantly. But many players just think, the horn is well tuned with the tuning machine I can play safely. Perfect wrong, perfect wrong. Adjusting is a permanent process even during the concert or during the solo. But if there is no ear, there is no hope. == Scott Bacon Dürkhorns [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Not all horns fall under the same tuning slide suggestion. Every different horn design, be it a Kruspe, Geyer, Knopf, D3/103, Schmitt, have there own general tendencies of pitch that the player must be aware of. Even horns of the same genre differ horn to horn. When learning the horn you play, it is my belief that you must consider these tendencies with the slides all the way in first. Then make your adjustments in the open harmonic series with all of the chromatic fingering configurations of the horn. Herr Pizka, when you tune your slides only for the a2, how does it change the intonation for you in the register below that for all 1 and 2 valve combinations? I was taught that tuning for one specific note is not an accurate way to tune a horn. Isn't it better to make concessions on the open harmonics in all keys and then learn where the notes sit to accurately play them? Help me out a bit on this one please. I do not completely understand this methodology. My experience is that I can show a horn to a student who is playing 20 or 30 cents sharp consistently. I then pull the slides nearly all the way out, and without the student knowing, the student plays 20 to 30 cents sharp. I then push the slides all the way in and the student plays 20 to 30 cents sharp. Why? Inner ear memory...and lack of awareness to the horn surroundings... Fine tuning the horn is for people with advanced inner ears and a highly developed skill of locating the sweat spots for the notes on a horn. I believe that Herr Pizka's dimensions are good for most horns, and most players, however those of you with these skills should find the spots on your horn that work best for you and the horn you are playing. For those of you who aren't sure? Heed to Herr Pizka's suggestion. It is a good starting point for continued learning. Furthermore I open a can. In striving for perfect intonation on a horn, doesn't this limit the changes to our right hand position and embouchure/mouth cavity for sound/coloring/shaping? When a horn plays completely in tune do we find the sound dull and boring? When a horn is more in tune note to note, does it make our jobs easier or harder to make high quality music? Some ideas and thoughts... go to it guys... Scott H. Bacon Sales, Marketing, and Service Verkauf, Marketing, und Service Specialist in French Horn Spezialist für Waldhorn Musikhaus Dürk Steuerstraße 16a 55411 Bingen - Dromersheim Germany Telephone: 49 ((0)6725) 1507 Fax: 49 ((0)6725) 6307 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.DuerkHorns.de. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Peter W. Schroth Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2003 17:52 An: The Horn List Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] How to adjust the slides? I just measured. I'm feeling somewhat validated, because mine were not far from these measurements. However, can it be that all makes of horn are (about) the same in this respect? Prof.Hans Pizka wrote: Thumb rule: F-side 1st slide about 8-9 mms 2nd slide about 7-8 mms 3rd slide 10-12 mms BB-side all a bit less (1-2 mms) This is right mostly, but check careful about the combination 12 on the Bb-horn for the high a2. Fine adjustings helps a lot for a secure a2. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/s.bacon%40duerkhorns.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) -
Re: AW: [Hornlist] How to adjust the slides?
Too bad horns aren't tuned at the factory like the trombone owned by the fellow who sits next to me in our orchestra! Fred - Original Message Follows - SCott, if you were in a professional orchestra, you would adjust your horn according to the given a2 of the oboe. It is nonsense to play the same note on the horn. One must tune the horn with an interval. So the best note (a note which is good on both sides of most horns) should be the concert f1 our written c2 in the middle of the staff. If the interval to the given a of the oboe is fine, the general intonation of the horn might be fine. If the slides are adjusted to my thumb rule, most notes are well tune. But one needs a good ear to recognize if one note is a bit sharp another flat, so to correct it by the lips or the right hand instantly. But many players just think, the horn is well tuned with the tuning machine I can play safely. Perfect wrong, perfect wrong. Adjusting is a permanent process even during the concert or during the solo.. But if there is no ear, there is no hope. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: AW: [Hornlist] How to adjust the slides?
I agree. I would also add an observation; in the case of many amateur horn sections, I've often found it necessary to tune the horns to concert g1 ahead of the formal tuning. For some reason, my guess is weak lips, this note tends to be horribly out of tune in these groups. Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Prof.Hans Pizka Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:09 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: AW: [Hornlist] How to adjust the slides? SCott, if you were in a professional orchestra, you would adjust your horn according to the given a2 of the oboe. It is nonsense to play the same note on the horn. One must tune the horn with an interval. So the best note (a note which is good on both sides of most horns) should be the concert f1 our written c2 in the middle of the staff. If the interval to the given a of the oboe is fine, the general intonation of the horn might be fine. If the slides are adjusted to my thumb rule, most notes are well tune. But one needs a good ear to recognize if one note is a bit sharp another flat, so to correct it by the lips or the right hand instantly. But many players just think, the horn is well tuned with the tuning machine I can play safely. Perfect wrong, perfect wrong. Adjusting is a permanent process even during the concert or during the solo. But if there is no ear, there is no hope. == ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: AW: [Hornlist] How to adjust the slides?
Very simple, just transpose the whole process if you were playing a horn part in E-flat. = Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I agree. I would also add an observation; in the case of many amateur horn sections, I've often found it necessary to tune the horns to concert g1 ahead of the formal tuning. For some reason, my guess is weak lips, this note tends to be horribly out of tune in these groups. Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Prof.Hans Pizka Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:09 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: AW: [Hornlist] How to adjust the slides? SCott, if you were in a professional orchestra, you would adjust your horn according to the given a2 of the oboe. It is nonsense to play the same note on the horn. One must tune the horn with an interval. So the best note (a note which is good on both sides of most horns) should be the concert f1 our written c2 in the middle of the staff. If the interval to the given a of the oboe is fine, the general intonation of the horn might be fine. If the slides are adjusted to my thumb rule, most notes are well tune. But one needs a good ear to recognize if one note is a bit sharp another flat, so to correct it by the lips or the right hand instantly. But many players just think, the horn is well tuned with the tuning machine I can play safely. Perfect wrong, perfect wrong. Adjusting is a permanent process even during the concert or during the solo. But if there is no ear, there is no hope. == ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
