Re: [HOT] Pre activation in Eastern DRC - Goma

2012-11-25 Thread nicolas chavent
Hey all,

Thanks for this Kate, I emailed GeoFabrik to get the precise list of tags
that goes by default with a job of the hot export when no specific preset
is mentioned.

Would be good to know who has interest and availibility to look more
closeluy at the development of this crisis, pls email me or the list.

Nico

Le 25 nov. 2012 02:10, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com a écrit :

Okay so I think you just didn't need to upload one. By default the extract
tool gives tags that are the same as the regular Geofabrik download.



On Nov 25, 2012 7:17 AM, nicolas chavent nicolas.chav...@hotosm.org
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 Hi kate and all...
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Re: [HOT] Pre activation in Eastern DRC - Goma

2012-11-25 Thread Joseph Pollack
Dear List,

is there anything I can do on your Goma activation?

Warm Regards,

-Joseph.
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[HOT] Pakistan Anti-Mapping Legislation: Implications for HOT/OSM

2012-11-25 Thread Mark Iliffe
Hi All,

I've just seen this through Twitter, it may be of relevance to those mapping 
in/near Pakistan. The short version is thus; it seems that Pakistan is 
legislating against mapping which ins't conducted by the national mapping 
agency.

http://dawn.com/2012/11/21/pakistanis-lost-without-maps/

Best,

Mark

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Re: [HOT] Pre activation in Eastern DRC - Goma

2012-11-25 Thread Kate Chapman
Hi Joseph,

We have no officially activated yet. At the moment there isn't much to
do. (We are looking for someone to lead the activation though).

One thing to do would be look for available imagery in the area that
can be used for digitizing. Just having an outline of where Bing is
would be a good start.

-Kate

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Joseph Pollack
josephrichardpoll...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear List,

 is there anything I can do on your Goma activation?

 Warm Regards,

 -Joseph.

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Re: [HOT] Pakistan Anti-Mapping Legislation: Implications for HOT/OSM

2012-11-25 Thread Faisal Chohan
On a general terms:

1. Laws are never implemented on powerful persons or entities in Pakistan.
Laws are for general public and implemented on them harshly. And when an
ordinary person gets into these cases there is no way out. It destroys all
of his/her life and career.

Specific to the mapping. I am not a lawyer but this is my observation,

1. The local laws do not affect the people living out-side Pakistan, unless
they do not enter in Pakistan. e.g in one instance a case is registered
against facebook founder, but it does not mean anything for the facebook
founder. The only problem with the case is that the facebook founder cannot
enter in Pakistan without clearing from this case.

This directly harms the Pakistani IT community and people. As Facebook will
never build a physical office in Pakistan due to this case. The powerful
and rich people will have their children studying in US and then get access
to the employment in companies like facebook but a general person will not.

The only problem with international projects like openstreetmap is that
most of the implementations are carried out by local people. And once they
cannot be involved into these projects, there seems distant possibility of
any substantial projects initiated or completed.

2. We were doing on-ground mapping in Pakistan especially our TED prize
winner project SaafPindi. After reading this news we have stopped on
ground mapping and are not updating open street map from Friday on-wards.
 We are just pondering different options.

Thanks,

Faisal Chohan

TED Senior Fellow | www.ted.com/fellows
Disaster and open data mapper | www.pakreport.org
Co-Founder | www.BrightSpyre.com
Co-Founder | www.cogilent.com

Mobile: +1 415 692 7920
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Skype: faisalchohan
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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

 Hi Mark,

 I think it depends. If we were going to start a project in Pakistan
 physically on the ground it is a huge deal. Remote activations it
 probably isn't a huge issue for us specifically, though I wonder about
 people on the ground using the data. Would it be an issue if they were
 not mapping, but just using unofficial map sources.

 There are some similar sounding laws in Indonesia, but the
 implementation has been really different. For example 2 years ago a
 law was passed that in summary says if you distribute inaccurate data
 you will pay a big fine or do jail time. We are working closely with
 Badan Informasi Geospasial (the NMA) on this however. The law is a lot
 less scary in implementation in our case than when it first come out.

 Can't say that Pakistan will do the same, but it is one of those
 things where I'm not sure what we can do other than wait and see.

 -Kate

 On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk
 wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  I've just seen this through Twitter, it may be of relevance to those
 mapping
  in/near Pakistan. The short version is thus; it seems that Pakistan is
  legislating against mapping which ins't conducted by the national mapping
  agency.
 
  http://dawn.com/2012/11/21/pakistanis-lost-without-maps/
 
  Best,
 
  Mark
 
 
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