Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects
> From: Kate Chapman [mailto:k...@maploser.com] > Tom MacWright > Subject: Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects > > Hi All, > > We didn't run into any major problems in Vietnam, though we were using > the Tasking Manager and mostly kept people from editing in the same > area. > > The team in Indonesia recently mentioned a preference from people to use > iD as well. Which is interesting since it isn't currently available in > Indonesian I don't believe Indonesian is 49% translated. You can see the progress and contribute Translations are done at https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/id-editor/language/id/ The translations for the UI are farther along than the translations for the presets. Fun fact: The language code for Indonesian is id, so you're translating iD into id. You can see other languages at https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/id-editor and help with missing translations for other languages too. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects
Hi Kathleen, So typically in projects done in humanitarian or development contexts we need to collect additional attributes about features. A very common one for example is regarding buildings. Typically we collect as a base number of stories, construction type, wall type and roof type. The number of stories is currently available but not the other items. So currently what we do is create custom preset XML files for JOSM and use those to guide the data entry, so for example there would be a building specific preset. We do this with other features such as roads and water points as well. By making the paper forms match the data entry form we are able to get cleaner data and confuse people less. Thanks, -Kate On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Kathleen Danielson wrote: > Can you tell me more about what kind of custom presets you're looking for? > > On Nov 4, 2013 7:43 PM, "Kate Chapman" wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> We didn't run into any major problems in Vietnam, though we were using >> the Tasking Manager and mostly kept people from editing in the same >> area. >> >> The team in Indonesia recently mentioned a preference from people to >> use iD as well. Which is interesting since it isn't currently >> available in Indonesian I don't believe. One issue here though is we >> frequently use custom presets. Is there any plan for having an ability >> like that similar to JOSM? I understand we could fork iD and create >> our own version, but the real power is just sending people to OSM.org >> and they start editing. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Kate >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Banick, Robert >> wrote: >> > Interesting. We're using 3G keys in Bhaktapur, Nepal. They alternately >> > are >> > pretty good and utterly terrible, depending on the time of day and luck >> > of >> > the draw. As long as the internet is working at all iD syncs very fast. >> > But >> > I understand Limonade is a quite different context. >> > >> > Robert Banick | GIS Coordinator | International Services | Ì American >> > Red >> > Cross >> > >> > 2025 E Street NW, Washington, DC 20006 >> > >> > Tel 202-303-5017 | Cell 202-805-3679 | Skype robert.banick >> > >> > >> > From: Béland Pierre >> > Reply-To: Béland Pierre >> > Date: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:11 AM >> > To: Paul Norman , "k...@maploser.com" >> > , >> > Robert Banick >> > Cc: 'william skora' , John Firebaugh >> > , "hot@openstreetmap.org" >> > , >> > Simon Johnson , 'Tom MacWright' >> > >> > >> > Subject: Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects >> > >> > >> > At the university of Limonade in Haiti, all the university campus used >> > 3G >> > keys to access internet and had to share a more or less 10 gig >> > connection >> > (at bes) provided by the tower close to the university. At some points >> > in >> > the day the bandwith was significatively reduced. Students were trying >> > to >> > save JOSM edits after every building they traced. And then, for less >> > then >> > 100k edit, it tooks minutes for the action to be completed. >> > >> > Since Will tried later ID in the same context, it would be interesting >> > to >> > see how ID reacted with low bandwith. Will, did you also experiment >> > such >> > internet connection problems and then how it was with ID as compared to >> > JOSM? >> > >> > >> > Pierre >> > >> > >> > De : Paul Norman >> > À : 'Kate Chapman' ; "'Banick, Robert'" >> > >> > Cc : 'william skora' ; 'John Firebaugh' >> > ; hot@openstreetmap.org; 'Simon Johnson' >> > ; 'Tom MacWright' >> > Envoyé le : Lundi 30 septembre 2013 8h27 >> > Objet : Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects >> > >> >> From: Kate Chapman [mailto:k...@maploser.com] >> >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:35 AM >> >> Simon Johnson; Tom MacWright >> >> Subject: Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects >> >> >> >> Hi Robert/All, >> >> >> >> I wanted to mention we'll be using iD as well for the mapping begin >> >> this >> >> week in Haiphong. It is currently the only OSM editor with decent >> >> Vietnamese support. I'm a bit concerned about conflicts during our >> >> training, but intend to use the Tasking Manager to try to avoid that. >> > >> > Because iD discards all of its data on save and reloads new data from >> > the >> > API if you have your users save frequently it will also get them >> > refreshing >> > their local data frequently, significantly cutting down on conflicts. >> > >> > If you're in a limited bandwidth situation I wouldn't worry about the >> > increased >> > bandwidth usage because the map data comes compressed and even when >> > loading >> > a dense urban area only about 25% of the bandwidth is used for map data, >> > the >> > remainder mainly being used by aerial imagery. >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > HOT mailing list >> > HOT@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > >> > >> > >> > __
Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects
Can you tell me more about what kind of custom presets you're looking for? On Nov 4, 2013 7:43 PM, "Kate Chapman" wrote: > Hi All, > > We didn't run into any major problems in Vietnam, though we were using > the Tasking Manager and mostly kept people from editing in the same > area. > > The team in Indonesia recently mentioned a preference from people to > use iD as well. Which is interesting since it isn't currently > available in Indonesian I don't believe. One issue here though is we > frequently use custom presets. Is there any plan for having an ability > like that similar to JOSM? I understand we could fork iD and create > our own version, but the real power is just sending people to OSM.org > and they start editing. > > Thanks, > > -Kate > > > On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Banick, Robert > wrote: > > Interesting. We're using 3G keys in Bhaktapur, Nepal. They alternately > are > > pretty good and utterly terrible, depending on the time of day and luck > of > > the draw. As long as the internet is working at all iD syncs very fast. > But > > I understand Limonade is a quite different context. > > > > Robert Banick | GIS Coordinator | International Services | Ì American Red > > Cross > > > > 2025 E Street NW, Washington, DC 20006 > > > > Tel 202-303-5017 | Cell 202-805-3679 | Skype robert.banick > > > > > > From: Béland Pierre > > Reply-To: Béland Pierre > > Date: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:11 AM > > To: Paul Norman , "k...@maploser.com" < > k...@maploser.com>, > > Robert Banick > > Cc: 'william skora' , John Firebaugh > > , "hot@openstreetmap.org" < > hot@openstreetmap.org>, > > Simon Johnson , 'Tom MacWright' > > > > > > Subject: Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects > > > > > > At the university of Limonade in Haiti, all the university campus used 3G > > keys to access internet and had to share a more or less 10 gig connection > > (at bes) provided by the tower close to the university. At some points in > > the day the bandwith was significatively reduced. Students were trying > to > > save JOSM edits after every building they traced. And then, for less then > > 100k edit, it tooks minutes for the action to be completed. > > > > Since Will tried later ID in the same context, it would be interesting to > > see how ID reacted with low bandwith. Will, did you also experiment such > > internet connection problems and then how it was with ID as compared to > > JOSM? > > > > > > Pierre > > > > > > De : Paul Norman > > À : 'Kate Chapman' ; "'Banick, Robert'" > > > > Cc : 'william skora' ; 'John Firebaugh' > > ; hot@openstreetmap.org; 'Simon Johnson' > > ; 'Tom MacWright' > > Envoyé le : Lundi 30 septembre 2013 8h27 > > Objet : Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects > > > >> From: Kate Chapman [mailto:k...@maploser.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:35 AM > >> Simon Johnson; Tom MacWright > >> Subject: Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects > >> > >> Hi Robert/All, > >> > >> I wanted to mention we'll be using iD as well for the mapping begin this > >> week in Haiphong. It is currently the only OSM editor with decent > >> Vietnamese support. I'm a bit concerned about conflicts during our > >> training, but intend to use the Tasking Manager to try to avoid that. > > > > Because iD discards all of its data on save and reloads new data from the > > API if you have your users save frequently it will also get them > refreshing > > their local data frequently, significantly cutting down on conflicts. > > > > If you're in a limited bandwidth situation I wouldn't worry about the > > increased > > bandwidth usage because the map data comes compressed and even when > loading > > a dense urban area only about 25% of the bandwidth is used for map data, > the > > remainder mainly being used by aerial imagery. > > > > > > ___ > > HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > > > > ___ > > HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects
Hi All, We didn't run into any major problems in Vietnam, though we were using the Tasking Manager and mostly kept people from editing in the same area. The team in Indonesia recently mentioned a preference from people to use iD as well. Which is interesting since it isn't currently available in Indonesian I don't believe. One issue here though is we frequently use custom presets. Is there any plan for having an ability like that similar to JOSM? I understand we could fork iD and create our own version, but the real power is just sending people to OSM.org and they start editing. Thanks, -Kate On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Banick, Robert wrote: > Interesting. We're using 3G keys in Bhaktapur, Nepal. They alternately are > pretty good and utterly terrible, depending on the time of day and luck of > the draw. As long as the internet is working at all iD syncs very fast. But > I understand Limonade is a quite different context. > > Robert Banick | GIS Coordinator | International Services | Ì American Red > Cross > > 2025 E Street NW, Washington, DC 20006 > > Tel 202-303-5017 | Cell 202-805-3679 | Skype robert.banick > > > From: Béland Pierre > Reply-To: Béland Pierre > Date: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:11 AM > To: Paul Norman , "k...@maploser.com" , > Robert Banick > Cc: 'william skora' , John Firebaugh > , "hot@openstreetmap.org" , > Simon Johnson , 'Tom MacWright' > > > Subject: Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects > > > At the university of Limonade in Haiti, all the university campus used 3G > keys to access internet and had to share a more or less 10 gig connection > (at bes) provided by the tower close to the university. At some points in > the day the bandwith was significatively reduced. Students were trying to > save JOSM edits after every building they traced. And then, for less then > 100k edit, it tooks minutes for the action to be completed. > > Since Will tried later ID in the same context, it would be interesting to > see how ID reacted with low bandwith. Will, did you also experiment such > internet connection problems and then how it was with ID as compared to > JOSM? > > > Pierre > > > De : Paul Norman > À : 'Kate Chapman' ; "'Banick, Robert'" > > Cc : 'william skora' ; 'John Firebaugh' > ; hot@openstreetmap.org; 'Simon Johnson' > ; 'Tom MacWright' > Envoyé le : Lundi 30 septembre 2013 8h27 > Objet : Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects > >> From: Kate Chapman [mailto:k...@maploser.com] >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:35 AM >> Simon Johnson; Tom MacWright >> Subject: Re: [HOT] The status of iD in HOT contexts/projects >> >> Hi Robert/All, >> >> I wanted to mention we'll be using iD as well for the mapping begin this >> week in Haiphong. It is currently the only OSM editor with decent >> Vietnamese support. I'm a bit concerned about conflicts during our >> training, but intend to use the Tasking Manager to try to avoid that. > > Because iD discards all of its data on save and reloads new data from the > API if you have your users save frequently it will also get them refreshing > their local data frequently, significantly cutting down on conflicts. > > If you're in a limited bandwidth situation I wouldn't worry about the > increased > bandwidth usage because the map data comes compressed and even when loading > a dense urban area only about 25% of the bandwidth is used for map data, the > remainder mainly being used by aerial imagery. > > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Tech WG Meeting X+3
On 30.10.2013 20:36, Dražen Odobašić wrote: > Hiyas, > > A short reminder that the next Tech WG meeting is scheduled on #hot IRC at > 17:00 > UTC, next Monday (4.11.2013.) attend and you'll get a small redeemable reward > > > If you have any questions, raise them on this thread, or during check-ins on > IRC. > > Dražen > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > A short reminder, HOT Tech WG meeting is today at 17:00 UTC Some countries switched to winter DST so the meeting might be an hour earlier then the last week In case you need a time converter, this one is pretty good... http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html Dražen ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
