Re: [HOT] Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic, act II

[Tom Taylor]

Just to confirm: I will delete the admin_level tags after checking, and 
delete the fixme tags unconditionally. I will delete any other tags not 
found in the tagging plans listed on the following wiki pages:


(Health,
Education 
and

Water facilities)

I will also fix the health facility substitution of "_" for ":" tag 
problem pointed out by Rafael Coya Avila.


Tom Taylor

On 21/01/2014 9:25 AM, Pierre Béland wrote:

Hi Tom

If you could go ahead with this, it would be a good thing.

And for such HOT priority actions, I hope that in the future we will find ways 
to accelerate the treatment of these imports.  For example, a particular tag 
could simply be added to later help filter these objects with Overpass and 
revise the imports.



Pierre




  De : Tom Taylor 
À : hot@openstreetmap.org
Envoyé le : Mardi 21 janvier 2014 7h34
Objet : Re: [HOT] Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic, act II


We could simply import the non-controversial items while you hash the
rest out. That is, delete all questioned labels.

Tom Taylor

On 21/01/2014 3:45 AM, Severin MENARD wrote:

Hi,

Anyone interested to make this topic going forward?
For info, Central African Republic is rated Crisis Level 3, as only Syria
and Philippines, and the situation there is now compared to the tragic
crisis that occurred in Rwanda an Bosnia, read
here.





Sincerely,

Severin


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Re: [HOT] Validation queries

[Nick Allen]

Hi Severin.

4kb limit hence me cropping the message.

I could start with http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/371 (CAR, Bossangoa) - I
wasn't involved in mapping it.

But I'm happy to start anywhere else if you prefer.

Nick

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Re: [HOT] Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic, act II

[Pierre Béland]

Hi Tom

If you could go ahead with this, it would be a good thing.  

And for such HOT priority actions, I hope that in the future we will find ways 
to accelerate the treatment of these imports.  For example, a particular tag 
could simply be added to later help filter these objects with Overpass and 
revise the imports.


 
Pierre 




 De : Tom Taylor 
À : hot@openstreetmap.org 
Envoyé le : Mardi 21 janvier 2014 7h34
Objet : Re: [HOT] Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic, act II
 

We could simply import the non-controversial items while you hash the 
rest out. That is, delete all questioned labels.

Tom Taylor

On 21/01/2014 3:45 AM, Severin MENARD wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Anyone interested to make this topic going forward?
> For info, Central African Republic is rated Crisis Level 3, as only Syria
> and Philippines, and the situation there is now compared to the tragic
> crisis that occurred in Rwanda an Bosnia, read
> here.

>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
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Re: [HOT] Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic, act II

[Tom Taylor]

We could simply import the non-controversial items while you hash the 
rest out. That is, delete all questioned labels.


Tom Taylor

On 21/01/2014 3:45 AM, Severin MENARD wrote:

Hi,

Anyone interested to make this topic going forward?
For info, Central African Republic is rated Crisis Level 3, as only Syria
and Philippines, and the situation there is now compared to the tragic
crisis that occurred in Rwanda an Bosnia, read
here.


Sincerely,

Severin


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[HOT] Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic, act II

[Severin MENARD]

Hi,

Anyone interested to make this topic going forward?
For info, Central African Republic is rated Crisis Level 3, as only Syria
and Philippines, and the situation there is now compared to the tragic
crisis that occurred in Rwanda an Bosnia, read
here.


Sincerely,

Severin



> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 11:22:16 +0100
> From: Severin MENARD 
> To: "impo...@openstreetmap.org" 
> Subject: Re: [Imports] Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic,
> act II
> Message-ID:
>  cpdr+ggrf0c+blj...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi,
>
> Still hoping decision can be taken on this list on through the wiki to get
> through the blocking did on December 23.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Severin MENARD
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Seems my quick answer has been blocked because it exceeds a little bit 40
> > Kb. Would be good the admin allow messages in such cases. Here it is
> again
> > with deleted lines. Hope it will be less than 40 Kb this time.
> > Otherwise, i would like to know how decisions will be made based on the
> > discussion. Voting process in the wiki as for tag propositions? Something
> > else?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Severin MENARD 
> > Date: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 3:14 PM
> > Subject: Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic, act II
> > To: "impo...@openstreetmap.org" 
> >
> >
> >  Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Thank you all for your quick answers, my comments inline
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>1. Re: Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic, act II
> >>   (Frederik Ramm)
> >>2. Re: Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic, act II (Jo)
> >>3. Re: Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic, act II
> >>   (Rafael Avila Coya)
> >>4. Re: Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic, act II (Jo)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 00:24:02 +0100
> >> From: Frederik Ramm 
> >> To: impo...@openstreetmap.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Imports] Import UNICEF data in Central African Republic,
> >> act II
> >> Message-ID: <52cdde12.9030...@remote.org>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >> Sev,
> >>
> >>I don't see big issues with your proposed import. The page on schools
> >> has a tag value of "uncomplete" where I'd guess that "incomplete" would
> >> be a better term but I'm not a subject matter expert.
> >>
> >> What strikes me that in your explanation, you seem to ask for special
> >> treatment because "this is for humanitarian purposes" - quotes:
> >>
> >> On 08.01.2014 23:34, Severin MENARD wrote:
> >> > Please keep in mind it deals with humanitarian data in a big crisis
> >> > context, so it is important to have the possibility to cross checked
> >> > facilities incorrectly located
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >> > therefore it is a very light dataset and adding a few tags really
> >> > useful for data control, considering its humanitarian ground, would
> only
> >> > represent a few more Kb.
> >>
> >> You seem to be of the opinion that because this is "humanitarian" we
> >> should be lenient - but I think the opposite is the case. As HOT - a
> >> group of people who have been doing various imports for a long time and
> >> will doubtlessly continue to do so - you have to be a shining example to
> >> everyone else. You, of all people, are expected to "do things right",
> >> and other people will look at your imports and say: If people who do so
> >> many imports do  then it must be the right thing to do. You've
> >> already done a very good job at documenting the import procedure on the
> >> Wiki (this is indeed a very good example to others).
> >>
> >
> > No, I never asked the import group to be lenient. I was mostly
> complaining
> > about the fact the import having been stopped in 24 hours while it took
> > quite more time to get an answer to the explanations I provided without a
> > real discussion to start. Happy this is the case now, but it could have
> > been quicker (not lenient), regarding the humanitarian purpose.
> >
> > Regarding the sentence you quoted, I wanted to stress the importance to
> > have control check for humanitarian data, like an original source tag and
> > supposed admin level, so if ever someone doing the import makes a
> mistake,
> > the final user to have some metadata for each object. Therefore I would
> not
> > say lenient, but adapted and useful.
> >
> >>
> >> That's why I'm happy that you're starting this discussion just like we'd
> >> expect from anyone else making an import.
> >>
> >> The two issues you mention in your email, source tag on every object and
> >> named admin units tagged with every object, are indeed unusual.
> >>
> >> The problem with sou

[HOT] validation

[Nick Allen]

Hi Severin,

I could start with http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/371 (|CAR, Bossangoa) - I 
wasn't involved in mapping it.

|
But I'm happy to start anywhere else if you prefer.

Regards

Nick

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