Re: [HOT] [Ebola] Import of 14, 020 United Nations Mission in Liberia place nodes

[Rafael Avila Coya]

Hi Ralf.
A farm could be isolated_dwelling?
About unmil:id nobody noticed that. I would quite do id1;id2 and add it to
the workflow wiki.
Still travelling for a few days in a row, so answering with my phone
whenever I get a wifi spot, so sorry for the brevity.
Cheers,
Rafael.
 El 24/09/2014 23:28, "Ralf Stephan"  escribió:

> ​Hello,
> I would like to share some thoughts and experiences on this import task.​
>
>- ​Landsat-8 imagery can only sometimes prove existence of a hamlet.
>This may be due to the small size of UNMIL sourced places in general, but
>there are also resolution issues. so there is quite some number of
>place=unknown from the UNMIL data, the percentage practically corresponding
>to 100 minus the Bing coverage in the square.​
>​
>- Alternatively to setting
>​
>place=unknown
>​ beforehand, I went ​
>in a final pass through
>​a list filtered with ​"
>fixme
>​:​
>Location
>​ -
>​
>place=unknown -source=GNS" to​
>make sure they are
>​set. That's a bit less involved IMHO than having to set hamlet
>manually.
>​
>​
>- Some hamlets with person names seem to be neighborhoods but often it
>is undecidable if a single farm is meant or a nearby village without name.
>- The Wiki workflow page is unclear on unmil:ids when merging two
>UNMIL nodes but probably that would be ="id1;id2". Any objections against
>adding it to the Wiki?
>
> ​If I do something wrong please don't hesitate to criticize.
>
> Regards,​
>
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Re: [HOT] Conference at GeONG, Chambery, France, OpenStreetMap Response to West Africa Ebola Outbreak

[Jean-Guilhem Cailton]

Le 24/09/2014 16:32, Augustin Doury a écrit :
> Hi all,
> I forward you an email posted on HOT francophone mailing list, mostly
> translated by googletranslate, in answer to Pierre last email :
>
> Thank you very much Pierre for this assessment!
>
> More information:
> We were several francophone hotties at Geong forum with Pierre: Fred
> Moine, Jean-Guilhem, Jorieke Vyncke, Nicolas Chavent, Pierre Giraud
> and myself. We were able to take many lines of discussions with the
> actors mentioned by Pierre and participate/animate the various
> roundtables and workshops, including the workshop about exporting OSM
> data (via HOT Exports and Overpass) where Nicolas, Jean Guilhem and
> Pierre Giraud were particularly active with Pierre Béland.
>
> Jorieke presented herwork in Lubumbashi and Fred (+Jean-Guilhem and
> Aurelien from CartONG and Andreas) has presented the workflow around
> the production of aerial imagery in Haiti using drone. Jean-Guilhem
> presented more specifically the process to make avaible the imageryfor
> mapping in JOSM.
> Top if we can get links to your various presentations and Jean, the
> link to view the satellite image on the gray river in a web browser.
> Good day to all,
>
> gus


Hi,

I assume that the presentations will be made available by CartONG. To
see UAV imagery of Rivière Grise shot by COSMHA and Aurélien, you can go to:
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/mapsview?entry=Drone%20Imagery%202014%C2%A0%28Haiti%29

An index of imagery available via predefined suppliers in JOSM is here:
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps

and also includes in particular, as another example hosted by OSM-FR,
the Pléiades satellite cover of Gaza taken at the beginning of July:
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/mapsview?entry=Gaza%20Strip%20-%20Pl%C3%A9iades%20-%202014/07/06


This thread is an opportunity to thank CartONG very much for having
organized so well this very interesting conference, where it was a great
pleasure to meet so many persons of value, as Chambéry mayor underlined
himself in his opening talk, and to see a confirmation of the role that
OSM will play in the ecosystem of humanitarian actors.

Let's keep going, and try to do our best to live up to this responsibility.

Best wishes,

Jean-Guilhem


>
> 2014-09-24 13:58 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland  >:
>
> I had the opportunity monday and tuesday to meet the humanitaran
> organizations participating **the 4th Forum of Geographic
> Information for Relief and Development **hosted by CartONG.in
> Chambery, France.
>
> This was an opportunity to make the point with many of them and
> more particularly the various partners for the Ebola Activation,
> the organizations that we are supporting such as MSF and Red
> Cross, the UN Agencies and the many ready to go to West Africa.
>
> I assisted to various conferences and also made a presentation of
> the OSM Response. I have also animated an OSM workshop.   It was
> quite pleasant and motivating to see this reception from these
> various operational humanitarians, how they know about
> OpenStretMap and understand how important it is to develop an
> ecosystem with humanitarians.
>
> OpenData is an issue that I presented. We have a good support from
> the Satellite imagery providers. It is also essential to  obtain
> administrative limits and various geolocated infrastructures and
> place names. Disasters Preparedness programs should integrate
> developping in the various countries at risk OpenData for
> administrative limits, place names and vital infrastructures for
> an efficient humanitarian response.
>
> Also, the mobile devices should be the next step to develop this
> ecosystem with the humanitarians and have the field teams
> participate more to OpenStreetMap.  The various Tablet
> Applications based on ODK offer a great potential if an
> OpenStreetMap geolocation functionality is integrated in these. A
> good challenge for this OSM community and humanitarian
> organizations to better exchange data and even better respond to
> such crisis.
>
> My presentation can be viewed at
> 
> http://fr.slideshare.net/pierzen/open-streetmap-responsetohaiyanebolacrisisgeong20140923
>  
> Pierre
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[HOT] profile pages on hot.osm.org

[ifrik]

Hi,

I've just deployed the more detailed profile pages on hot.osm.org.

For the board members, I've already added some of the information I got
into they profiles.

If you got an account, then you can login and just click on the edit tab
of your account page. That's the one you end up right after you logged in.

That form now has lots of other fields that you can fill in if you want
to. You can also set your preferred language. You can also change the
user name if you want to.

There currently aren't any working groups on the site, but once they are
then you can also add them to your account.

I'll be at the Biodiversity Convention meeting in Korea for the next 4
weeks, but after that I'll make automatic lists for board and voting
members.

greetings,
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Re: [HOT] Conference at GeONG, Chambery, France, OpenStreetMap Response to West Africa Ebola Outbreak

[Pierre Béland]

Hi Heather, Yes I plan to present a summary in the Blog, plus showing users 
profile.

 
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Envoyé le : Mercredi 24 septembre 2014 19h35
Objet : Re: [HOT] Conference at GeONG, Chambery, France, OpenStreetMap Response 
to West Africa Ebola Outbreak
 


Great stuff Pierre!  Fantastic to hear about your event. Will you be posting 
this to the blog?

Thanks again for everything,

heather



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On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Pierre Béland  wrote:


>
>
>
>
>Thanks Augustin for these additions. We had together two great days in such a 
>motivating context.
>
> 
>Pierre 
>
>
>
>
>
> De : Augustin Doury 
>À : Pierre Béland  
>Cc : HOT Discussion list  
>Envoyé le : Mercredi 24 septembre 2014 16h32
>Objet : Re: [HOT] Conference at GeONG, Chambery, France, OpenStreetMap 
>Response to West Africa Ebola Outbreak
> 
>
>
>Hi all,
>I forward you an email posted on HOT francophone mailing list, mostly 
>translated by googletranslate, in answer to Pierre last email :
>
>
>Thank you very much Pierre for this assessment! 
>
>More information: 
>We were several francophone hotties at Geong forum with Pierre: Fred Moine, 
>Jean-Guilhem, Jorieke Vyncke, Nicolas Chavent, Pierre Giraud and myself. We 
>were able to take many lines of discussions with the actors mentioned by 
>Pierre and participate/animate the various roundtables and workshops, 
>including the workshop about exporting OSM data (via HOT Exports and Overpass) 
>where Nicolas, Jean Guilhem and Pierre Giraud were particularly active with 
>Pierre Béland. 
>
>Jorieke presented herwork in Lubumbashi and Fred (+Jean-Guilhem and Aurelien 
>from CartONG and Andreas) has presented the workflow around the production of 
>aerial imagery in Haiti using drone. Jean-Guilhem presented more specifically 
>the process to make avaible the imagery for mapping in JOSM.
>Top if we can get links to your various presentations and Jean, the link to 
>view the satellite image on the gray river in a web browser. 
>Good day to all, 
>
>gus
>
>
>
>2014-09-24 13:58 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland :
>
>I had the opportunity monday and tuesday to meet the humanitaran organizations 
>participating the 4th Forum of Geographic Information for Relief and 
>Development hosted by CartONG.in Chambery, France. 
>>
>>
>>
>>This was an opportunity to make the point with many of them and more 
>>particularly the various partners for the Ebola Activation, the organizations 
>>that we are supporting such as MSF and Red Cross, the UN Agencies and the 
>>many ready to go to West Africa.
>>
>>
>>
>>I assisted to various conferences and also made a presentation of the OSM 
>>Response. I have also animated an OSM workshop.   It was quite pleasant and 
>>motivating to see this reception from these various operational 
>>humanitarians, how they know about OpenStretMap and understand how important 
>>it is to develop an ecosystem with humanitarians.
>>
>>OpenData is an issue that I presented. We have a good support from the 
>>Satellite imagery providers. It is also essential to  obtain administrative 
>>limits and various geolocated infrastructures and place names. Disasters 
>>Preparedness programs should integrate developping in the various countries 
>>at risk OpenData for administrative limits, place names and vital 
>>infrastructures for an efficient humanitarian response.
>>
>>Also, the mobile devices should be the next step to develop this ecosystem 
>>with the humanitarians and have the field teams participate more to 
>>OpenStreetMap.  The various Tablet Applications based on ODK offer a great 
>>potential if an OpenStreetMap geolocation
 functionality is integrated in these. A good challenge for this OSM community 
and humanitarian organizations to better exchange
 data and even better respond to such crisis.
>>
>>
>>
>>My presentation can be viewed at 
>>http://fr.slideshare.net/pierzen/open-streetmap-responsetohaiyanebolacrisisgeong20140923
>>
>> 
>>Pierre 
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Re: [HOT] Conference at GeONG, Chambery, France, OpenStreetMap Response to West Africa Ebola Outbreak

[Heather Leson]

Great stuff Pierre!  Fantastic to hear about your event. Will you be
posting this to the blog?

Thanks again for everything,

heather

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On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

>
> Thanks Augustin for these additions. We had together two great days in
> such a motivating context.
>
>
> Pierre
>
>   --
>  *De :* Augustin Doury 
> *À :* Pierre Béland 
> *Cc :* HOT Discussion list 
> *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 24 septembre 2014 16h32
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Conference at GeONG, Chambery, France, OpenStreetMap
> Response to West Africa Ebola Outbreak
>
> Hi all,
> I forward you an email posted on HOT francophone mailing list, mostly
> translated by googletranslate, in answer to Pierre last email :
>
> Thank you very much Pierre for this assessment!
>
> More information:
> We were several francophone hotties at Geong forum with Pierre: Fred
> Moine, Jean-Guilhem, Jorieke Vyncke, Nicolas Chavent, Pierre Giraud and
> myself. We were able to take many lines of discussions with the actors 
> mentioned
> by Pierre and participate/animate the various roundtables and workshops, 
> including
> the workshop about exporting OSM data (via HOT Exports and Overpass) where
> Nicolas, Jean Guilhem and Pierre Giraud were particularly active with
> Pierre Béland.
>
> Jorieke presented her work in Lubumbashi and Fred (+Jean-Guilhem and
> Aurelien from CartONG and Andreas) has presented the workflow around the
> production of aerial imagery in Haiti using drone. Jean-Guilhem presented
> more specifically the process to make avaible the imagery for mapping in
> JOSM.
> Top if we can get links to your various presentations and Jean, the link
> to view the satellite image on the gray river in a web browser.
> Good day to all,
>
> gus
>
> 2014-09-24 13:58 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland :
>
> I had the opportunity monday and tuesday to meet the humanitaran
> organizations participating *the 4th Forum of Geographic Information for
> Relief and Development *hosted by CartONG.in Chambery, France.
>
> This was an opportunity to make the point with many of them and more
> particularly the various partners for the Ebola Activation, the
> organizations that we are supporting such as MSF and Red Cross, the UN
> Agencies and the many ready to go to West Africa.
>
> I assisted to various conferences and also made a presentation of the OSM
> Response. I have also animated an OSM workshop.   It was quite pleasant
> and motivating to see this reception from these various operational
> humanitarians, how they know about OpenStretMap and understand how
> important it is to develop an ecosystem with humanitarians.
>
> OpenData is an issue that I presented. We have a good support from the
> Satellite imagery providers. It is also essential to  obtain administrative
> limits and various geolocated infrastructures and place names. Disasters
> Preparedness programs should integrate developping in the various countries
> at risk OpenData for administrative limits, place names and vital
> infrastructures for an efficient humanitarian response.
>
> Also, the mobile devices should be the next step to develop this ecosystem
> with the humanitarians and have the field teams participate more to
> OpenStreetMap.  The various Tablet Applications based on ODK offer a great
> potential if an OpenStreetMap geolocation functionality is integrated in
> these. A good challenge for this OSM community and humanitarian
> organizations to better exchange data and even better respond to such
> crisis.
>
> My presentation can be viewed at
> http://fr.slideshare.net/pierzen/open-streetmap-responsetohaiyanebolacrisisgeong20140923
>
> Pierre
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Re: [HOT] Conference at GeONG, Chambery, France, OpenStreetMap Response to West Africa Ebola Outbreak

[Pierre Béland]

Thanks Augustin for these additions. We had together two great days in such a 
motivating context.

 
Pierre 




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Cc : HOT Discussion list  
Envoyé le : Mercredi 24 septembre 2014 16h32
Objet : Re: [HOT] Conference at GeONG, Chambery, France, OpenStreetMap Response 
to West Africa Ebola Outbreak
 


Hi all,
I forward you an email posted on HOT francophone mailing list, mostly 
translated by googletranslate, in answer to Pierre last email :


Thank you very much Pierre for this assessment! 

More information: 
We were several francophone hotties at Geong forum with Pierre: Fred Moine, 
Jean-Guilhem, Jorieke Vyncke, Nicolas Chavent, Pierre Giraud and myself. We 
were able to take many lines of discussions with the actors mentioned by Pierre 
and participate/animate the various roundtables and workshops, including the 
workshop about exporting OSM data (via HOT Exports and Overpass) where Nicolas, 
Jean Guilhem and Pierre Giraud were particularly active with Pierre Béland. 

Jorieke presented herwork in Lubumbashi and Fred (+Jean-Guilhem and Aurelien 
from CartONG and Andreas) has presented the workflow around the production of 
aerial imagery in Haiti using drone. Jean-Guilhem presented more specifically 
the process to make avaible the imagery for mapping in JOSM.
Top if we can get links to your various presentations and Jean, the link to 
view the satellite image on the gray river in a web browser. 
Good day to all, 

gus



2014-09-24 13:58 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland :

I had the opportunity monday and tuesday to meet the humanitaran organizations 
participating the 4th Forum of Geographic Information for Relief and 
Development hosted by CartONG.in Chambery, France. 
>
>
>
>This was an opportunity to make the point with many of them and more 
>particularly the various partners for the Ebola Activation, the organizations 
>that we are supporting such as MSF and Red Cross, the UN Agencies and the many 
>ready to go to West Africa.
>
>
>
>I assisted to various conferences and also made a presentation of the OSM 
>Response. I have also animated an OSM workshop.   It was quite pleasant and 
>motivating to see this reception from these various operational humanitarians, 
>how they know about OpenStretMap and understand how important it is to develop 
>an ecosystem with humanitarians.
>
>OpenData is an issue that I presented. We have a good support from the 
>Satellite imagery providers. It is also essential to  obtain administrative 
>limits and various geolocated infrastructures and place names. Disasters 
>Preparedness programs should integrate developping in the various countries at 
>risk OpenData for administrative limits, place names and vital infrastructures 
>for an efficient humanitarian response.
>
>Also, the mobile devices should be the next step to develop this ecosystem 
>with the humanitarians and have the field teams participate more to 
>OpenStreetMap.  The various Tablet Applications based on ODK offer a great 
>potential if an OpenStreetMap geolocation functionality is integrated in 
>these. A good challenge for this OSM community and humanitarian organizations 
>to better exchange
 data and even better respond to such crisis.
>
>
>
>My presentation can be viewed at 
>http://fr.slideshare.net/pierzen/open-streetmap-responsetohaiyanebolacrisisgeong20140923
>
> 
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Re: [HOT] [Ebola] Import of 14, 020 United Nations Mission in Liberia place nodes

[Ralf Stephan]

​Hello,
I would like to share some thoughts and experiences on this import task.​

   - ​Landsat-8 imagery can only sometimes prove existence of a hamlet.
   This may be due to the small size of UNMIL sourced places in general, but
   there are also resolution issues. so there is quite some number of
   place=unknown from the UNMIL data, the percentage practically corresponding
   to 100 minus the Bing coverage in the square.​
   ​
   - Alternatively to setting
   ​
   place=unknown
   ​ beforehand, I went ​
   in a final pass through
   ​a list filtered with ​"
   fixme
   ​:​
   Location
   ​ -
   ​
   place=unknown -source=GNS" to​
   make sure they are
   ​set. That's a bit less involved IMHO than having to set hamlet manually.
   ​
   ​
   - Some hamlets with person names seem to be neighborhoods but often it
   is undecidable if a single farm is meant or a nearby village without name.
   - The Wiki workflow page is unclear on unmil:ids when merging two UNMIL
   nodes but probably that would be ="id1;id2". Any objections against adding
   it to the Wiki?

​If I do something wrong please don't hesitate to criticize.

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Re: [HOT] Conference at GeONG, Chambery, France, OpenStreetMap Response to West Africa Ebola Outbreak

[Augustin Doury]

Hi all,
I forward you an email posted on HOT francophone mailing list, mostly
translated by googletranslate, in answer to Pierre last email :

Thank you very much Pierre for this assessment!

More information:
We were several francophone hotties at Geong forum with Pierre: Fred Moine,
Jean-Guilhem, Jorieke Vyncke, Nicolas Chavent, Pierre Giraud and myself. We
were able to take many lines of discussions with the actors mentioned by Pierre
and participate/animate the various roundtables and workshops, including
the workshop about exporting OSM data (via HOT Exports and Overpass) where
Nicolas, Jean Guilhem and Pierre Giraud were particularly active with Pierre
Béland.

Jorieke presented her work in Lubumbashi and Fred (+Jean-Guilhem and
Aurelien from CartONG and Andreas) has presented the workflow around the
production of aerial imagery in Haiti using drone. Jean-Guilhem presented
more specifically the process to make avaible the imagery for mapping in
JOSM.
Top if we can get links to your various presentations and Jean, the link to
view the satellite image on the gray river in a web browser.
Good day to all,

gus

2014-09-24 13:58 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland :

> I had the opportunity monday and tuesday to meet the humanitaran
> organizations participating *the 4th Forum of Geographic Information for
> Relief and Development *hosted by CartONG.in Chambery, France.
>
> This was an opportunity to make the point with many of them and more
> particularly the various partners for the Ebola Activation, the
> organizations that we are supporting such as MSF and Red Cross, the UN
> Agencies and the many ready to go to West Africa.
>
> I assisted to various conferences and also made a presentation of the OSM
> Response. I have also animated an OSM workshop.   It was quite pleasant
> and motivating to see this reception from these various operational
> humanitarians, how they know about OpenStretMap and understand how
> important it is to develop an ecosystem with humanitarians.
>
> OpenData is an issue that I presented. We have a good support from the
> Satellite imagery providers. It is also essential to  obtain administrative
> limits and various geolocated infrastructures and place names. Disasters
> Preparedness programs should integrate developping in the various countries
> at risk OpenData for administrative limits, place names and vital
> infrastructures for an efficient humanitarian response.
>
> Also, the mobile devices should be the next step to develop this ecosystem
> with the humanitarians and have the field teams participate more to
> OpenStreetMap.  The various Tablet Applications based on ODK offer a great
> potential if an OpenStreetMap geolocation functionality is integrated in
> these. A good challenge for this OSM community and humanitarian
> organizations to better exchange data and even better respond to such
> crisis.
>
> My presentation can be viewed at
> http://fr.slideshare.net/pierzen/open-streetmap-responsetohaiyanebolacrisisgeong20140923
>
> Pierre
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[HOT] Training Working Group (WG) - Community WG - Tasking Manager2 (TM2) interactions

[Blake Girardot]

Hi all,

At the last Tech WG meeting it was talked about to do some 
triage/prioritization of issues and requests to the TM2 software.


As Dražen mentioned he would like to start that process tomorrow:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440&iso=20140925T17&msg=HOT%20Projects%20issues%20triaging

I know in the Training and Community WGs there were a few things 
mentioned that relied on the TM2 software supporting them.


I tried to collect those things into this hackpad document:

https://hackpad.com/Tasking-Manger-Related-Ideas-Va7mi3dBmf4

It is just a rough list so the Tech WG knows the sort of ideas we have 
been thinking about that relate to the TM2. Please feel free to add or 
remove from it as I know it needs work and the ideas have not been fully 
discussed in our respective groups, but I wanted to get them out there.


I think some items would be very easy to make into feature requests in 
the github issue tracker and probably pretty easy to implement in the 
software, but the first step is to let the Tech WG know about them in 
some way and now seemed like a good time. I did not find any of them in 
the issue tracker at the moment except for the couple that I put a link 
in with.


If you are interesting in any of these things and want to have input on 
or follow their implementation, You could sign up for a github account 
and "Watch" this github project:


https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2

Best wishes,
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[HOT] Conference at GeONG, Chambery, France, OpenStreetMap Response to West Africa Ebola Outbreak

[Pierre Béland]

I had the opportunity monday and tuesday to meet the humanitaran organizations 
participating the 4th Forum of Geographic Information for Relief and 
Development hosted by CartONG.in Chambery, France. 


This was an opportunity to make the point with many of them and more 
particularly the various partners for the Ebola Activation, the organizations 
that we are supporting such as MSF and Red Cross, the UN Agencies and the many 
ready to go to West Africa.


I assisted to various conferences and also made a presentation of the OSM 
Response. I have also animated an OSM workshop.   It was quite pleasant and 
motivating to see this reception from these various operational humanitarians, 
how they know about OpenStretMap and understand how important it is to develop 
an ecosystem with humanitarians.
OpenData is an issue that I presented. We have a good support from the 
Satellite imagery providers. It is also essential to  obtain administrative 
limits and various geolocated infrastructures and place names. Disasters 
Preparedness programs should integrate developping in the various countries at 
risk OpenData for administrative limits, place names and vital infrastructures 
for an efficient humanitarian response.

Also, the mobile devices should be the next step to develop this ecosystem with 
the humanitarians and have the field teams participate more to OpenStreetMap.  
The various Tablet Applications based on ODK offer a great potential if an 
OpenStreetMap geolocation functionality is integrated in these. A good 
challenge for this OSM community and humanitarian organizations to better 
exchange data and even better respond to such crisis.


My presentation can be viewed at 
http://fr.slideshare.net/pierzen/open-streetmap-responsetohaiyanebolacrisisgeong20140923

 
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