Re: [HOT] What I want from Hot - Response

[Cristiano Giovando]

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Mark Cupitt  wrote:
>
> This is why I suggest that a Presidents report is appropriate, it is
> current, relevant and should cover all the ongoing efforts, what ever they
> are in a one to two page email, once a month. All the other material we
> currently have would support this for the detail.

+1 (this is also what I suggested today as one of the roles for the future ED)

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Re: [HOT] What I want from HOT (was: Re: Let's make the most of this)

[Nirab Pudasaini]

Hi All,

I have seen lot of talks related to HOT vision form many lately.I see that
Maning and Robert have made some excellent points and i fully support them. It
is good to know that everybody is in support of diversity in the HOT board.
It is also very exciting to see that we have a nomination from Nepal this
year. This has created much excitement here in the OSM Nepal community.

One thing that i noticed however was that there is no single nominations
from Africa. It is surprising considering that most of the work and
activation of HOT has been based in Africa lately, particularly around
Ebola mapping. I guess the nominations are closed for this year's election
but i would definitely wish to see nominations from Africa next year.

Regards
Nirab

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:00 PM Robert Banick  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sorry, my comment on diversity got cut off…what I meant to say is this:
>
> P.S. Also please goodness let’s working on being more diverse. We’re an
> international organization and we need a more international,
> gender-balanced membership. This isn’t something that happens overnight and
> isn’t a problem unique to HOT. But it is a fact that our volunteer and
> membership are predominantly male and Western. It’s something to keep in
> mind as we grow and try to attract new contributors and members. I would
> welcome input from any of our contributors who’ve worked on such issues
> with other organizations
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox 
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Robert Banick  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In addition to the comments from Althio, Maning and others (which are
>> excellent), I have a few things I’d like to see from HOT at this moment of
>> transition:
>>
>>  *1. *Greater clarity on what support to local groups look like. I think
>> everyone agrees that fostering local (HOT) OSM chapters around the world is
>> a laudable goal. I’ve seen less details about what that means.
>>
>> Some of you are experts at building communities, some of you are active
>> members of your local OSM communities and some of you are interested in
>> getting started helping out. I put myself in the latter group, and speaking
>> from that position, I would like to know *exactly* what kind of support
>> local groups need and how *exactly* we think we can make that support
>> happen. Lists! Explanations! Budgets! Basics we can build off of. I would
>> hope that in a year’s time we could be on our way towards having a local
>> community “toolkit” and some projects / support underway.
>>
>>  *2. *Recognition from the general membership that we can do multiple
>> things at the same time. And that if a volunteer / member / board member /
>> executive director doesn’t talk about one topic that much it may just
>> reflect lesser familiarity, not a lack of approval. We all have our
>> specialties that we focus on.
>>
>> I’m worried by how often our discussions imply that it’s My Priority vs.
>> Your Priority. In English we call this “zero sum” thinking — the idea that
>> one side winning means the other side losing. For HOT this is nonsense. We
>> can all win. We will all win.
>>
>> If it feels like some parts of our mission are getting neglected then
>> help us figure out what the bottlenecks are and how we can address them. If
>> there’s not enough resources to address your priority, help us think how we
>> can fix that.
>>
>>  *3.* Honest discussion about direct democracy. I know some of our
>> members feel really strongly (here’s looking at you Severin) that we should
>> operate on a more direct democracy model for our operations. I disagree but
>> am open to being persuaded otherwise. I want to know exactly how that’s
>> supposed to work, particularly when attendance at events is a problem.
>>
>>  *4.* Clear responsibilities for the membership. Right now membership is
>> more of a recognition than a responsibility. I think we expect more from
>> members but do too little to define what that more is. Until we do so I
>> don’t think we’re prepared to really step beyond the traditional NGO mold —
>> which we *should* aim to do.
>>
>>  *6.* Congratulate ourselves a little. Those who follow the main OSM
>> listservs know that the broader OSM community has had a lot of turmoil in
>> the past year. Big questions were posed about the effectiveness of the OSM
>> Foundation and OSM’s direction. We should be proud that during those
>> (intense) discussions HOT was *repeatedly* cited as a model of a
>> functional international OSM group that gets things done and done well.
>> We’re on to something really good here. Thanks to all of you for making
>> that happen.
>>
>> Finally I want to strongly second the rotating board idea from Althio.
>> That will introduce more constant discussion of HOT’s direction and prevent
>> months of unproductive time being spent preparing for / adjusting from
>> annual elections.
>>
>> Best,
>> Robert
>>
>> P.S. Also please goodness let’s working on being mo

Re: [HOT] What I want from HOT (was: Re: Let's make the most of this)

[Markware Software Services]

Hi Nirab, Jorieke Vyncke is based in Africa and she has nominated ..


Regards

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On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Nirab Pudasaini 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have seen lot of talks related to HOT vision form many lately.I see
> that Maning and Robert have made some excellent points and i fully support
> them. It is good to know that everybody is in support of diversity in the
> HOT board. It is also very exciting to see that we have a nomination from
> Nepal this year. This has created much excitement here in the OSM Nepal
> community.
>
> One thing that i noticed however was that there is no single nominations
> from Africa. It is surprising considering that most of the work and
> activation of HOT has been based in Africa lately, particularly around
> Ebola mapping. I guess the nominations are closed for this year's election
> but i would definitely wish to see nominations from Africa next year.
>
> Regards
> Nirab
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:00 PM Robert Banick  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Sorry, my comment on diversity got cut off…what I meant to say is this:
>>
>> P.S. Also please goodness let’s working on being more diverse. We’re an
>> international organization and we need a more international,
>> gender-balanced membership. This isn’t something that happens overnight and
>> isn’t a problem unique to HOT. But it is a fact that our volunteer and
>> membership are predominantly male and Western. It’s something to keep in
>> mind as we grow and try to attract new contributors and members. I would
>> welcome input from any of our contributors who’ve worked on such issues
>> with other organizations
>>
>> —
>> Sent from Mailbox 
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Robert Banick  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In addition to the comments from Althio, Maning and others (which are
>>> excellent), I have a few things I’d like to see from HOT at this moment of
>>> transition:
>>>
>>>  *1. *Greater clarity on what support to local groups look like. I
>>> think everyone agrees that fostering local (HOT) OSM chapters around the
>>> world is a laudable goal. I’ve seen less details about what that means.
>>>
>>> Some of you are experts at building communities, some of you are active
>>> members of your local OSM communities and some of you are interested in
>>> getting started helping out. I put myself in the latter group, and speaking
>>> from that position, I would like to know *exactly* what kind of support
>>> local groups need and how *exactly* we think we can make that support
>>> happen. Lists! Explanations! Budgets! Basics we can build off of. I would
>>> hope that in a year’s time we could be on our way towards having a local
>>> community “toolkit” and some projects / support underway.
>>>
>>>  *2. *Recognition from the general membership that we can do multiple
>>> things at the same time. And that if a volunteer / member / board member /
>>> executive director doesn’t talk about one topic that much it may just
>>> reflect lesser familiarity, not a lack of approval. We all have our
>>> specialties that we focus on.
>>>
>>> I’m worried by how often our discussions imply that it’s My Priority vs.
>>> Your Priority. In English we call this “zero sum” thinking — the idea that
>>> one side winning means the other side losing. For HOT this is nonsense. We
>>> can all win. We will all win.
>>>
>>> If it feels like some parts of our mission are getting neglected then
>>> help us figure out what the bottlenecks are and how we can address them. If
>>> there’s not enough resources to address your priority, help us think how we
>>> can fix that.
>>>
>>>  *3.* Honest discussion about direct democracy. I know some of our
>>> members feel really strongly (here’s looking at you Severin) that we should
>>> operate on a more direct democracy model for our operations. I disagree but
>>> am open to being persuaded otherwise. I want to know exactly how that’s
>>> supposed to work, particularly when attendance at events is a problem.
>>>
>>>  *4.* Clear responsibilities for the membership. Right now membership
>>> is more of a recogniti

Re: [HOT] What I want from HOT (was: Re: Let's make the most of this)

[nicolas chavent]

Hi all,

I’d like to thank Maning, Althio, Zacharia, Robert and Nirab, as well as
Mark and Blake for sharing respectively their views, thoughts and
expectations about HOT or what they intend to do within the organization.

Those reads have been energizing: I share most of those points which have
been at the heart of my engagement within the HOT Project since its early
stage. Most of these have been for a part translated into action and
reality.

If elected, I intend to continue enforcing them as a Director, by working
along the lines set in my statement [1] for this election of the Board of
the NGO HOT US.

I am looking forward to the continued expression of expectations for HOT US
in 2015 and the discussions they will foster.

Best,
Nicolas

[1] : https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Nicolas%20Chavent/diary/34539


On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Markware Software Services <
markwaresoftw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Nirab, Jorieke Vyncke is based in Africa and she has nominated ..
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mark Cupitt
>
> "If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence"
>
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>
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> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Nirab Pudasaini <
> developer.ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have seen lot of talks related to HOT vision form many lately.I see
>> that Maning and Robert have made some excellent points and i fully support
>> them. It is good to know that everybody is in support of diversity in
>> the HOT board. It is also very exciting to see that we have a nomination
>> from Nepal this year. This has created much excitement here in the OSM
>> Nepal community.
>>
>> One thing that i noticed however was that there is no single nominations
>> from Africa. It is surprising considering that most of the work and
>> activation of HOT has been based in Africa lately, particularly around
>> Ebola mapping. I guess the nominations are closed for this year's election
>> but i would definitely wish to see nominations from Africa next year.
>>
>> Regards
>> Nirab
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:00 PM Robert Banick  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Sorry, my comment on diversity got cut off…what I meant to say is this:
>>>
>>> P.S. Also please goodness let’s working on being more diverse. We’re an
>>> international organization and we need a more international,
>>> gender-balanced membership. This isn’t something that happens overnight and
>>> isn’t a problem unique to HOT. But it is a fact that our volunteer and
>>> membership are predominantly male and Western. It’s something to keep in
>>> mind as we grow and try to attract new contributors and members. I would
>>> welcome input from any of our contributors who’ve worked on such issues
>>> with other organizations
>>>
>>> —
>>> Sent from Mailbox 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Robert Banick 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 In addition to the comments from Althio, Maning and others (which are
 excellent), I have a few things I’d like to see from HOT at this moment of
 transition:

  *1. *Greater clarity on what support to local groups look like. I
 think everyone agrees that fostering local (HOT) OSM chapters around the
 world is a laudable goal. I’ve seen less details about what that means.

 Some of you are experts at building communities, some of you are active
 members of your local OSM communities and some of you are interested in
 getting started helping out. I put myself in the latter group, and speaking
 from that position, I would like to know *exactly* what kind of
 support local groups need and how *exactly* we think we can make that
 support happen. Lists! Explanations! Budgets! Basics we can build off of. I
 would hope that in a year’s time we could be on our way towards having a
 local community “toolkit” and some projects / support underway.

  *2. *Recognition from the general membership that we can do multiple
 things at the same time. And that if a volunteer / member / board member /
 executive director doesn’t talk about one topic that much it may just
 reflect lesser familiarity, not a lack of approval. 

Re: [HOT] open geology map

[Sander Deryckere]

I think this suggestion belongs more on the general OSM talk or tagging
list than on the HOT list, but anyway.

There are already a number of ways to tag surface, like surface=*,
natural=*, landuse=*, landcover=*, ... Just read the wiki about those (f.e.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:natural )

There's also a convention in OSM about sub-tagging. F.e. you could tag

natural=rock + rock=sandstone

Thus I guess most of what you want is already possible in OSM. You should
only try to add a few more specific conventions (f.e. about the types of
rock).

I probably don't really get your 3D attempts, but the general concensus is
that it's hard to get in certain places, and thus you can't make a uniform
map of heights or angles. As such, OSM contains no height or slope data
(apart from the elevation of some peaks), but leaves this to professionals
(such as the NASA). It isn't so hard to extract a general slope from good
precision elevation data, so there's no point in including it directly in
OSM data (with the right preprocessor, it can get rendered on the map
anyway).

So that doesn't belong in OSM, but it isn't the biggest problem IMO. The
biggest problem I see in your attempt is ignoring that OSM is a
crowdsourced effort. For crowdsourcing, you need a crowd, and that crowd is
most easily found in populated places. Your effort seems to focus on areas
with a low population (a city isn't very vulnerable for a landslide). But
sadly, there's no crowd around there, so the most we would be able to do is
some mapping from aerial pictures. This shouldn't hinder you from starting
the project, but you shouldn't have very high expectations from it.

Regards,
Sander



2015-03-12 22:03 GMT+01:00 Hazel :

> Dear All,
>
> Can we again discuss putting geological data into OSM? Specifically, I'd
> like a recommended way to tag fault lines and surface geology polygons.
>
> This e-mail assumes the reader knows nothing of geology, apologies to
> everyone else.
>
> First, the usecase: geological data saves lives in natural disasters, it
> is useful for common activities like agriculture, and it is interesting in
> its own right. It can also be usefully collected by amateurs.
>
> I am not suggesting that OSM should produce disaster risk maps, or
> recommendations for farmers. I am saying OSM could collect the data that
> would allow experts to quickly and easily make these things.
>
> Using OSM contours, they can work out areas of flood risk and tsunami
> escape routes. Using contours and and basic geological information, they
> can work out areas of landslide risk (landslides kill more people than
> volcanoes or floods or earthquakes, but they kill a few dozen at a time).
> If we map faults, they'll know more about where earthquakes are likely to
> happen (you know the photos of roads after earthquakes, offset by a few
> centimeters? The fault is the plane where the offset happens, and
> earthquakes use the same faults over and over again). If you map areas of
> shallow bedrock vs. unconsolidated sediment, you know which areas may
> suffer soil liquifaction in an earthquake.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_liquefaction soil liquifaction
>
> Technical infodump:
>
> To make a geological map, you map areas with similar surface rock or
> sediment2. You describe them (anything from field IDs like "greenish rock
> #2" to detailed technical descriptions) and give them proper names (e.g.
> "the Tunbridge Wells Sand Formation").
>
> Having mapped the boundaries between different rock types, you can also
> trace faults and the line of folds in the rocks. These all obviously exist
> in 3-D, but are usually represented on 2-D maps. Just mapping the 2-D trace
> is enough for many purposes.
>
> OPTIONAL EXTRA 3-D info:
> If you want to add more information about the third dimension to a two-D
> map, there are conventions for that. You specify a line (along the axis of
> the fold, or on the steepest line down the fault plane or boundary plane).
> You map the direction of this line. Then you measure the angle between the
> line and the horizontal, and write in on the map (next to standard symbols:
> for a plane, a T-shape, and for a fold axis, an X with two or three of the
> lines turned into arrows pointing in the two or three downhill directions).
>
> Plane:
> http://web.arc.losrios.edu/~borougt/StrikeAndDip.jpg
>
> Fold:
> http://bc.outcrop.org/images/structural/press4e/figure-11-16b.jpg
>
> Planes on either side of a fold:
> http://courses.missouristate.edu/EMantei/creative/GeoStruct/strkdip.jpg
>
> This is actually fairly easy to explain in 3-D, but not in 2-D, and I
> don't know of a good video. We could make one.
> END OPTIONAL EXTRA
>
>
> Example:
> Let's look at the Weald area of the UK, since it is well-mapped.
>
> Read:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weald#Geology
>
> Terms:
> "Lower Cretaceous" and "Upper Jurassic" describe age (lower means older)
> "rocks", "chalk" and "sandstone" describe rock type
> "sands" and "cla

Re: [HOT] HOT Community Meeting Summary Notes and Next Steps

[nicolas chavent]

Hi Heather,

I'd like to thank you, Harry, Russel and Kristen to have organized those
three consultative community calls, releasing those notes in a short
timeline and already started acting upon some of the below action points.

Like all, I look forward to reading the future documents (TOR and plan)
I take advantage of this announcement to stress the most fundamental point
that the transition plan has to address: take into consideration the
on-going election (results in 2 weeks time) and allow for the new board to
act upon the work of the previous board and community for managing the
transition.

Best,
Nicolas

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Heather Leson 
wrote:

> HI Hotties,
>
>
> The HOT community hosted three community calls this week to talk about the
> Executive Director Transition and timing. The following is a summary and
> some actions. Harry, Russell and Heather facilitated these meetings. Notes
> and audio clips can be below.
>
> All: Your support and help during this time is most appreciated.
>
> These were attended by a total of 17 people with some people attending
> multiple calls. There are 86 members of HOT.  It is my understanding that
> there is about 1000 people on the main HOT mailing list.
>
> The descriptive summary of attendees: Membership chair, HOT Board members
> (current), HOT Board Member candidates, HOT Staff, HOT members and HOT
> community contributors.
>
> About the Executive Director (Transition, interim plans)
>
> A draft description of the roles and responsibilities was discussed and
> written. These can be found in the community call notes. There were some
> opinions and inquiries into whether an interim Executive Director was
> required.
>
> Some actions:
>
>1.
>
>Provide a full job description of the current Executive Director
>-
>
>   Owner: Kate, Status: requested
>   2.
>
>Provide a full, public Executive Director Transition plan
>-
>
>   Owner: Heather/Board Status: Drafted, need ED, current Board
>   permission to share, Some items are confidential (eg. staff and partner
>   management)
>   3.
>
>Consult with HOT’s advisor, Allen Gunn of Aspiration on the Executive
>Director Transition plan, Interim Executive Director job description and
>legal next steps
>-
>
>   Owner: Heather, Status: Email sent
>   4.
>
>Interim Executive Director Job Description to be shared
>-
>
>   Owner: Board (current)
>   5.
>
>Provide next steps to community and membership
>-
>
>   Owner: Heather, Board. To be sent within the next 24 hours.
>
>
> About the timing of the Announcement
>
> Harry and Heather explained to the attendees about the Board (current)
> decision and timing of the announcement.  This is a rare situation. Most
> Boards and Executive Directors do not change at the same time.
>
>
> Some actions:
>
>
>1.
>
>Governance Working Group to write best practices for managing Board
>transition
>2.
>
>Membership Chair and election committee to write up their
>recommendations for improvement to this process.
>
>
> Call notes
>
> CommunityCall#1
> 
>
> CommunityCall#2
> 
>
>
> CommunityCall#3
> 
>
>
> Call recordings (each about 1 hour)
>
> MumbleRecordingCC1
> 
>
> MumbleRecordingCC2
> 
>
> MumbleRecordingCC3
> 
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Heather
>
>
> Heather Leson
> heatherle...@gmail.com
> Twitter: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
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[HOT] Source=PGS issue on 917 task 98

[john whelan]

/917#task/98 has 27 ways marked with this.  Fifteen have no other tags on
them.  Twelve have natural=water tags but to be honest they don't seem to
tie up with the satellite imagery at all.

I am aware of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Prototype_Global_Shoreline
but none of these have natural=coastline
 tags.

My inclination would be to zap the lot but could some one with more
specialist knowledge look it over.

Thanks John
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Re: [HOT] HOT Community Meeting Summary Notes and Next Steps

[Harry Wood]

> I take advantage of this announcement to stress the most fundamental point
> that the transition plan has to address: take into consideration the on-going
> election (results in 2 weeks time) and allow for the new board to act upon
> the work of the previous board and community for managing the transition.

Thanks Nico.

It was good to talk to a few people and get you involved in the planning. There 
was obviously a few people keen to present their different perspectives, 
particularly around structuring the organisation. The current board has a good 
grasp on what's needed. We're mostly looking to set things up so that we have 
good continuity in the short term. Nothing unravelling or collapsing too badly 
when Kate disappears. Nobody wants that, least of all the incoming board 
whoever they may be. Some (probably most or all) of the new board will be just 
one week into their new role when Kate finishes.


We have to work to put things in good shape for that. The new board will be 
managing the transition (with help from me if they want it). Obviously I'm 
speaking as somebody on the current board who will definitely not be part of 
the new board. Heather of course is speaking as a candidate. I hope she will be 
a part of the new board.

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Re: [HOT] Source=PGS issue on 917 task 98

[Pierre Béland]

Hi John
PGS source, this is old imports of varying quality defining the coastal areas. 
Mapping the area, I also saw those polygons that seem to delimit wetlands but 
do not fit with the imagery.

Effectively, I think that we can later revise all of this and remove.
  
Pierre 

  De : john whelan 
 À : "hot@openstreetmap.org"  
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 13 mars 2015 13h37
 Objet : [HOT] Source=PGS issue on 917 task 98
   
/917#task/98 has 27 ways marked with this.  Fifteen have no other tags on them. 
 Twelve have natural=water tags but to be honest they don't seem to tie up with 
the satellite imagery at all.

I am aware of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Prototype_Global_Shoreline but 
none of these have natural=coastline tags.

My inclination would be to zap the lot but could some one with more specialist 
knowledge look it over.

Thanks John

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Re: [HOT] open geology map

[Hazel]

Dear Sander,

I think that a moderate list of specific conventions, well-documented, 
will be needed, because the conventions already exist in geological 
mapping. For instance, we'd probably want a consistent way to tag a 
fault with the direction that it moves in.


Thank you for your advice on subtagging rock types. I've been trying to 
figure out what the specific conventions ought to be, in order to mesh 
with OSM and other common systems. Help with this is very welcome. Would 
anyone be willing to look over my draft geological ontology and tell me 
what I've done wrong before I make a set of feature proposals?


Sorry, I've managed to be very unclear. The 3-D info is for the slope of 
the geological structures, not the slope of the land they are embedded 
in. High precision isn't needed, and even within-50-degrees precision 
can be useful. This data is measured on an exposed rock surface, with a 
clinometer (a dangling weight on a calibrated circle, usually built into 
geological compasses but easy to make from cardboard and string). I 
should probably just have left the technical description out, apologies.


I think it's OK if effort is patchy. The geology in and near urban areas 
has the most humanitarian importance; no-one would have heard of the 
Mameyes landslide had it not hit a city, and 2010 saw umpteen 
zero-fatality earthquakes larger than the one that hit Haiti.


Although I think data donations could also be an important source, I do 
think getting a small crowd of geological mappers is feasible. But as 
you say, we'll have to see.


For anyone who thinks geological mapping might be fun:
http://www.agiweb.org/environment/publications/mapping/makemaps.html

Regards,
Hazel


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[HOT] Surface mines characteristics

[Tanu Agrawal]

Hi,
I am Sonali Agrawal and one of the Outreachy aspirer. I am doing the
marking tips for mining sites in the west africa and have to post it on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips

Can anyone tell me what are the common tags(characteristics) for the
surface mines. Some of the tags as suggested by Blake Girardot are as
follows-
1) have some pools of water
2)funny color
3) large area of exposed land

It will be helpful if anyone suggest some more characteristics .
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Re: [HOT] HOT Community Meeting Summary Notes and Next Steps

[Pierre Béland]

Thanks Harry for your offer.
We are many engaged in this organization since the beginning and willing to see 
it moving smoothly and keep his capacity of innovation. I am sure that those 
that will be elected will appreciate your offer to act upon the work of the 
previous Board an aussure a smooth transition.
 
Pierre 

  De : Harry Wood 
 À : nicolas chavent ; Heather Leson 
 
Cc : "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)"  
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 13 mars 2015 13h52
 Objet : Re: [HOT] HOT Community Meeting Summary Notes and Next Steps
   


> I take advantage of this announcement to stress the most fundamental point
> that the transition plan has to address: take into consideration the on-going
> election (results in 2 weeks time) and allow for the new board to act upon
> the work of the previous board and community for managing the transition.

Thanks Nico.

It was good to talk to a few people and get you involved in the planning. There 
was obviously a few people keen to present their different perspectives, 
particularly around structuring the organisation. The current board has a good 
grasp on what's needed. We're mostly looking to set things up so that we have 
good continuity in the short term. Nothing unravelling or collapsing too badly 
when Kate disappears. Nobody wants that, least of all the incoming board 
whoever they may be. Some (probably most or all) of the new board will be just 
one week into their new role when Kate finishes.


We have to work to put things in good shape for that. The new board will be 
managing the transition (with help from me if they want it). Obviously I'm 
speaking as somebody on the current board who will definitely not be part of 
the new board. Heather of course is speaking as a candidate. I hope she will be 
a part of the new board.



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Re: [HOT] Source=PGS issue on 917 task 98

[john whelan]

So for the moment I'll validate it.

Thanks John

On 13 March 2015 at 14:18, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> Hi John
>
> PGS source, this is old imports of varying quality defining the coastal
> areas. Mapping the area, I also saw those polygons that seem to delimit
> wetlands but do not fit with the imagery.
>
> Effectively, I think that we can later revise all of this and remove.
>
>
> Pierre
>
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> *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 13 mars 2015 13h37
> *Objet :* [HOT] Source=PGS issue on 917 task 98
>
> /917#task/98 has 27 ways marked with this.  Fifteen have no other tags on
> them.  Twelve have natural=water tags but to be honest they don't seem to
> tie up with the satellite imagery at all.
>
> I am aware of
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Prototype_Global_Shoreline but none of
> these have natural=coastline
>  tags.
>
> My inclination would be to zap the lot but could some one with more
> specialist knowledge look it over.
>
> Thanks John
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[HOT] Surface mines characteristics

[S Volk]

Hi Sonali and Blake,some other features for mines (what I've found I tagged as 
landuse=quarry, eventually with it's industrial area if can be seen the 
processing area or buildings):-mounts of soil, gravel, etc.;-step-like 
terraces;-the characteristic big machinery exposed: Rail-Veyor (industrial 
light-rails, some in spider-like shapes);-other: Bucket-wheel excavators; 
crushers.

*In OSM*:Step-like 
terraces:http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=238684558#map=15/14.0873/-11.7479http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=88497688#map=16/-27.8190/16.6026http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=59965984#map=15/-21.9790/15.7703http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=21141#map=15/-22.4819/15.0588
Rail-Veyors and well-shaped 
mounts:http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=17/-26.89246/15.19317
Spider-like machinery (light-rails), very bright exposed 
soil/gravel:http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=308147032#map=18/8.78612/-11.99524
More:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Mininghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mininghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail-Veyorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket-wheel_excavatorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusher
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[HOT] Fwd: Surface mines characteristics

[Tanu Agrawal]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Tanu Agrawal 
Date: Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [HOT] Surface mines characteristics
To: S Volk 


Thank you . This would be of great help.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 2:25 AM, S Volk  wrote:

> Hi Sonali and Blake,
> some other features for mines (what I've found I tagged as landuse=quarry,
> eventually with it's industrial area if can be seen the processing area or
> buildings):
> -mounts of soil, gravel, etc.;
> -step-like terraces;
> -the characteristic big machinery exposed: Rail-Veyor (industrial
> light-rails, some in spider-like shapes);
> -other: Bucket-wheel excavators; crushers.
>
> *In OSM*:
> Step-like terraces:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=238684558#map=15/14.0873/-11.7479
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=88497688#map=16/-27.8190/16.6026
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=59965984#map=15/-21.9790/15.7703
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=21141#map=15/-22.4819/15.0588
>
> Rail-Veyors and well-shaped mounts:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=17/-26.89246/15.19317
>
> Spider-like machinery (light-rails), very bright exposed soil/gravel:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=308147032#map=18/8.78612/-11.99524
>
> More:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Mining
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail-Veyor
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket-wheel_excavator
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusher
>
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Re: [HOT] Conflicts of Interest

[nicolas chavent]

Hi all,

This short email to thank you Dale for your post and for sharing this
information about the fact that the ARC is ok with you running to the HOT
board and to thank John and Mikel for their clarifications about the
handling of their past conflicts of interest in HOT.

As previously emailed on this thread, in this case, the handling of
conflicts of interest is linked to the questions of the
autonomy/independence of HOT as an organization and in a balanced
management of its partnerships. Of course, there are various views on this
within HOT and various practices as well in the Humanitarian/Development
fields, and is surely an area for reflexions and discussions in the context
of this election.

Best,
Nicolas


On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Dale Kunce  wrote:

> Harry I loved your idea of putting the conflicts into a simple post that
> can be updated/changed without fear of mucking up the election wiki page.
> If anyone identifies other conflicts that I haven't noticed please feel
> free to point them out.
>
> As promised I've written my conflicts up.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dkunce/diary/34550
>
> One key thing to my running for the Board is that American Red Cross is ok
> with me serving on the HOT board given that I don't participate in any
> financial discussions with HOT that are not already in place such as
> Missing Maps.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:01 PM Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>
>> Kate - you're probably correct, we are using the person you referred us
>> to, so there should be no surprises there.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Kate Chapman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Martijn,
>>>
>>> HOT has a conflict of interest policy prepared by I believe the same
>>> legal expert. It was required to apply for 501(c)(3) status and signed by
>>> the board at the time.
>>>
>>> On the road so can't look it up at the moment.
>>>
>>> Kate
>>> On Mar 12, 2015 12:37 PM, "Martijn van Exel"  wrote:
>>>
 The OSM US board has just agreed on a COI policy that was prepared by a
 legal expert. I can see if I can get you a copy if that would help?

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Harry Wood 
 wrote:

> > I believe conflicts should be handled in the follow 2 basic ways.
> >
> > 1. Potential conflicts should be talked about and acknowledged well
> > before any actual conflicts arise.
> > 2. Board members should completely recuse themselves from any
> > conversation. They should not listen to or be a part of the
> conversation
> > during any activities where a conflict exist.
> >
>
> Yep. Those are the rules. It's quite difficult to follow if the topic
> about which you have a conflict of interest, is something coming up a lot
> in board discussions. So in your case Dale, if the board were needing to
> discuss ARC a lot, then you might have to recuse yourself a lot. That's a
> bit awkward but not impossible.
>
> We found it very difficult in the past having HOT paid staff members
> on the board, particularly as they didn't always seem to understand and
> accept these rules. I guess it was understandable that they wanted to take
> strategic decisions about the projects and parts of the organisation which
> most effected them and their (HOT staff) work.
>
> Can be tricky.
>
>
> > As such I'll be posting my conflicts to the Board Election Wiki
> > and encourage others to do the same.
>
>
> I called mine a "Declaration of interests" and linked it off my user
> page rather than off the elections wiki (but that's partly because, I was
> *on* the board when I wrote it. Also it serves just as well as a
> declaration for anyone looking at me as a OSMF CWG member)
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Harry_Wood/Declaration_of_Interests
>
> Maybe that's useful as a template. Direct financial interests (who
> pays you) is the most important thing for people to be aware of, but I
> tried to think of other affiliations I have which might conflict. I also
> noted when it was last updated, since this information can obviously go 
> out
> of date.
>
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Re: [HOT] open geology map

[Clifford Snow]

Living in an earthquake area, I understand and appreciate the need for
geological maps. The problem is in the complexity of geological data. Using
OSM as a base layer over which geological data is displayed is a very easy
way to see if residents and office buildings are in danger zones. I've
contemplated a similar solution to map potential landslide areas. I think
these features belong in another database. If we focus on mapping
structures, roads, landuse, basically thing we can see, it will improve the
use of geological overlays.

BTW - some faults can be mapped since they are visible from aerial imagery.

Clifford

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Hazel  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Can we again discuss putting geological data into OSM? Specifically, I'd
> like a recommended way to tag fault lines and surface geology polygons.
>
> This e-mail assumes the reader knows nothing of geology, apologies to
> everyone else.
>
> First, the usecase: geological data saves lives in natural disasters, it
> is useful for common activities like agriculture, and it is interesting in
> its own right. It can also be usefully collected by amateurs.
>
> I am not suggesting that OSM should produce disaster risk maps, or
> recommendations for farmers. I am saying OSM could collect the data that
> would allow experts to quickly and easily make these things.
>
> Using OSM contours, they can work out areas of flood risk and tsunami
> escape routes. Using contours and and basic geological information, they
> can work out areas of landslide risk (landslides kill more people than
> volcanoes or floods or earthquakes, but they kill a few dozen at a time).
> If we map faults, they'll know more about where earthquakes are likely to
> happen (you know the photos of roads after earthquakes, offset by a few
> centimeters? The fault is the plane where the offset happens, and
> earthquakes use the same faults over and over again). If you map areas of
> shallow bedrock vs. unconsolidated sediment, you know which areas may
> suffer soil liquifaction in an earthquake.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_liquefaction soil liquifaction
>
> Technical infodump:
>
> To make a geological map, you map areas with similar surface rock or
> sediment2. You describe them (anything from field IDs like "greenish rock
> #2" to detailed technical descriptions) and give them proper names (e.g.
> "the Tunbridge Wells Sand Formation").
>
> Having mapped the boundaries between different rock types, you can also
> trace faults and the line of folds in the rocks. These all obviously exist
> in 3-D, but are usually represented on 2-D maps. Just mapping the 2-D trace
> is enough for many purposes.
>
> OPTIONAL EXTRA 3-D info:
> If you want to add more information about the third dimension to a two-D
> map, there are conventions for that. You specify a line (along the axis of
> the fold, or on the steepest line down the fault plane or boundary plane).
> You map the direction of this line. Then you measure the angle between the
> line and the horizontal, and write in on the map (next to standard symbols:
> for a plane, a T-shape, and for a fold axis, an X with two or three of the
> lines turned into arrows pointing in the two or three downhill directions).
>
> Plane:
> http://web.arc.losrios.edu/~borougt/StrikeAndDip.jpg
>
> Fold:
> http://bc.outcrop.org/images/structural/press4e/figure-11-16b.jpg
>
> Planes on either side of a fold:
> http://courses.missouristate.edu/EMantei/creative/GeoStruct/strkdip.jpg
>
> This is actually fairly easy to explain in 3-D, but not in 2-D, and I
> don't know of a good video. We could make one.
> END OPTIONAL EXTRA
>
>
> Example:
> Let's look at the Weald area of the UK, since it is well-mapped.
>
> Read:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weald#Geology
>
> Terms:
> "Lower Cretaceous" and "Upper Jurassic" describe age (lower means older)
> "rocks", "chalk" and "sandstone" describe rock type
> "sands" and "clays" describe sediment type
> "Purbeck Beds", "Ashdown Sand Formation" and so on are proper names of
> groups of rocks/sediments. These names are hierachical, like taxons, and
> are in databases (for the Chalk Group that forms the White Cliffs of Dover:
> http://www.bgs.ac.uk/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?pub=CK).
>
> The cross-section may help make the 2-d map make sense.
>
> To see how faults and folds (synclines/synforms, that sag, and
> anticlines/antiforms, that hog) are mapped as lines, see this map:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Geologic_map_SE_
> England_%26_Channel_EN.svg
> (just gives rock ages, not type).
>
> Faults are usually much more obvious on small-scale maps than they are on
> this map.
>
> For sediments, there exist multiple soil classifications, with mappings
> between them, and OSM could support them all, but the classes we have
> (sand, gravel...) would be enough to start with.
> Examples:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Soil_Classification
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USDA_soil_taxonomy
> etc.
>
> Q

Re: [HOT] Source=PGS issue on 917 task 98

[Pierre Béland]

John
Mapping in other zones, I see that these lines with the only tag source=PGS are 
part of a multipolygon Relation with the tag natural=wetland. 

If you do not see the relation , it probably mean that this was deleted 
previously by a mapper. 
Pierre 

  De : john whelan 
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Cc : "hot@openstreetmap.org"  
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 13 mars 2015 15h22
 Objet : Re: [HOT] Source=PGS issue on 917 task 98
   
So for the moment I'll validate it.

Thanks John



On 13 March 2015 at 14:18, Pierre Béland  wrote:

Hi John
PGS source, this is old imports of varying quality defining the coastal areas. 
Mapping the area, I also saw those polygons that seem to delimit wetlands but 
do not fit with the imagery.

Effectively, I think that we can later revise all of this and remove.
  
Pierre 

  De : john whelan 
 À : "hot@openstreetmap.org"  
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 13 mars 2015 13h37
 Objet : [HOT] Source=PGS issue on 917 task 98
   
/917#task/98 has 27 ways marked with this.  Fifteen have no other tags on them. 
 Twelve have natural=water tags but to be honest they don't seem to tie up with 
the satellite imagery at all.

I am aware of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Prototype_Global_Shoreline but 
none of these have natural=coastline tags.

My inclination would be to zap the lot but could some one with more specialist 
knowledge look it over.

Thanks John

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[HOT] 2015 Board/Chair Election Voting Period is now Open

[Russell Deffner]

Greetings HOT,

As the 2015 Board of Directors and Chair for the voting members Election
continues, it is my pleasure to announce the start of the Voting Period.

 

HOT Voting Members should have received their Ballot via the email address
that I have on record for official membership business communication. Voting
Members who did not receive a Ballot yet - please contact me as soon as
possible so we can determine the issue and make sure you have your fair
chance to participate.

 

The Voting Period will end (i.e. Ballot is collected) at Midnight UTC on 28
March 2015 (in other places the wording is 'you must submit your Ballot on
or before 23:59 UTC 27 March 2015').

 

I will also take a moment to address some questions that have been directly
asked of me regarding where and how to campaign, as well as where to ask
questions of the candidates.

.There are no requirements, at least in the legal sense, of
where/how/what language/timing and all the other sub-questions regarding how
to campaign or ask questions.

.We (the Election Committee, Chair and Board) have not set any
requirements, the suggestions are fairly simple:

o   Use the Code of Conduct
  as your guide, although there are moderators
for our mailing lists, they are really only to restrict messages based on if
they are 'on topic' - i.e. not obvious spam, solicitation or include
discriminatory, harassing or blatantly offensive language.  I do not condone
any restriction on messages unless they are obviously inappropriate. Of
course if there is questionable material in a message, please contact me.

o   Each Candidate is free to respond, or not, to any questions posed. There
is absolutely no requirement for them to campaign; and candidates may choose
to use their OSM diary, social media, or other 'non-HOT' platforms (although
then they risk voting members not being aware of the posts).

o   Direct messages to the main HOT mailing list is acceptable, however,
please consider the public nature of this platform and the audience that may
choose to read your messages.

o   As defined in our Code of Conduct: HOT Voting Members "Will not
interpret lack of specific text in this code of conduct as acceptance of
poor behavior; if ever in doubt, consult with [other] voting members,
directors, and/or executives before speaking and/or acting on behalf of
HOT." - What this means to me in the context of the election is: if you
think your post may be controversial or you feel the need to name names and
point fingers - that belongs on the membership only mailing list.

 

With all that said, I will go a little 'over-the-top' for a moment and say
to everyone reading this message: It is my personal opinion, having worked
with several other amazing non-profit organizations, that there is no
greater collection of hearts and minds in a governing body then the HOT
Voting Membership, it truly has been an honor to serve as their chairperson.

 

May the election favor HOT!

 

Sincerely,

=Russ

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