Re: [HOT] Idle thought time drones

[Springfield Harrison]

Hello Steve,
I did check this out, it looks like Linix only for now.  Will check
further, looks to have great potential.  The point cloud technique
is quite amazing.  The Swiss system can produce very good results,
even without ground control points.

Thanks again,
Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring Harrison

At 20-05-2015 19:40 Wednesday, Stephen Mather wrote:
OpenDroneMap can do point clouds
too, and it's free. But, to be completely fair, it has some much needed
optimizations that need to be added to make it run faster for larger
datasets. Those optimizations are coming soon... .
Cheers,
Best,
Steve


On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 2:58 AM, Springfield Harrison

wrote:


Hello Jon,

That would be good, there is some very good software available that
employees point cloud technology for high accuracy 3-D mapping that
ranges from $4-$10,000.

As always, good planning and matching the product to the job
requirements is important.  Difficult to do on short notice after the
fan blades are soiled.

Drones are getting more prolific and cheaper, that's true.  Battery
life is still a problem and regulations are beginning to
proliferate.

                 Thanks, Cheers . . . . . . . .
Spring Harrison


At 14-05-2015 02:13 Thursday, kusala nine wrote:

i was in san francisco at FOSS4G in March and there was a LOT of talk
about opendronemap and the tools developed under open source to create
good quality georeferenced imagery. thecost of drones has plummeted in
the last couple of years and is now available in large quantitities to
mainstream users. It strikes me this could make a big difference even in
the search and rescue phases with quick turnaround of imagery on the
ground straight to TMS servers. The issue will be locating suitable
quantities, processing and creating the right targeted jobs to use it
effectively - I think the technology is pretty much there.

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Re: [HOT] Problems saving in ID

[Nick Allen]

Suzan,

It will be much better if you report this issue yourself as they may 
need more information from your computer that none of us can provide.


Regards

Nick

On 22/05/15 05:14, Suzan Reed wrote:

Nick and all,

Would someone be so kind as to add the information way below to the "issues" at 
the link Nick sent to me? I had a dickens of a time trying to provide the feedback at 
that link, and I thought I was pretty good with stuff like that.

Suzan


On May 21, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Nick Allen wrote:

Hi,

https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues

Should be the place to report problems.

Nick
(OSM=Tallguy)

Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team Member

On 21 May 2015 09:25, "Suzan Reed"  wrote:

For some time I've been having problems saving when using ID.

I don't know who to report this to. Can someone direct me the person or people 
who can fix the ID editor? Or send the following to them?

Suzan

Here are the issues:

1. After Saving edits, unlocking the Task, and going to another Task, a dialog 
box appears with two icons that indicates past edits have not saved, and asks 
if I want to restore the edits and save them. When saved, I believe these over 
write the last Task, doubling the images.

2. Other times another dialog box appears:
"Errors occured while trying to save
Bad Gateway. The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream 
server.
Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at www.openstreetmap.org Port 80"  (html tags have 
been removed for brevity.)

When Saving after getting this kind of dialog box, the Save button has to be 
pressed several times. There can be long delays. Eventually the edits Save and 
I get the dialog that shows they are being saved and the blue images in the 
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Re: [HOT] Database, OSM & HOT (Was: Request for information about common set of tags for HOT)

[Springfield Harrison]

Hello John,
Thanks for
your patient explanation, I'm beginning to see that OSM is a very
different flavour of GIS.  At the outset, my assumption was that it
was entirely emergency oriented.  I was puzzled by the references to
hairdressers and gymnasiums but I guess they result from a different
process.
I do think
that some emergency related features such as potential helipads,
powerline crossings, towers, cable cars, landslides, glacial lakes,
emergency shelters and such like might be better left to those with
experience with those types of features.  They wouldn't necessarily
need to be experienced with OSM, just familiar with identifying those
features.  I'm surprised that there is no process for identifying
and directing the more highly qualified mappers.
I had
intended to help with the helipad project but quickly became discouraged
with the less than adequate imagery and the weirdness of leisure =
common.  Merely verifying the leisure = common sites would probably
overlook lots of other qualified sites.  And how many sites with
this tag are actually sports fields as per the original intention? 
Then, mapping existing helipads marked with H in a circle, might be
redundant as such official sites would probably be already mapped by a
national agency.  I would recommend that potential helipads be
tagged as aeroway = helipads_potential, verified = no.  Proper
assessment of helipads requires an oblique, 3-D view.  I attempted
to introduce Google Earth into the process but licensing fears put the
kibosh on that.
I found
this surprising because Google Earth does have several other products and
does make a lot of noise about community and not for profit mapping
without any references to licensing.  They appear to actively
promote user generated files being placed into the public domain.  I
have spent some time attempting to talk to them about this but the best I
could do was an e-mail.  Will advise.

Thanks again for
your time on this, I'm sure you have larger fish to fry, Cheers . . . . .
. . . Spring Harrison

At 20-05-2015 12:01 Wednesday, john whelan wrote:
OSM has a page of recommended
tags,

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features.  Sometimes these
are used sometimes not. 

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/ has information on how common a tag
is and is some times used to determine which tag should be used.  This
is a bottom up approach rather than the top down approach more usual in
the business world.
For example many of the mappers locally are enthusiastic cyclists but the
recommended tags for cycle paths have been formulated in Europe, in
Canada we have some cycle paths / lanes that are used for cyclists in
summer and we dump snow on them in winter.  There is a local convention
for how these are tagged.
With a conventional database you usually have a client in mind and they
have specific requirements.  OSM doesn't.  If someone wants to map
hairdressers that's fine as far as OSM is concerned they have contributed
to the map.  Locally many tags were in OSM that wouldn't render on
conventional rendering systems, no one else used the tags and the
renderers just ignored them.  Many mappers have their own personal views
about how something should be tagged and have no interest in following
any other suggestions at all.  It is an issue.
HOT is much more structured, we actually have clients with requirements
in mind so we map to those as best we can. Â  We have recommended tags
and to a much larger extent people follow them.  We do have a lot of new
mappers who may not even know about the map features page or find that
reading through more than two lines of instructions boring.  Having a
two step process with validation helps as well.  However we still rely
on locals on the ground mappers for more detail and as far as I'm
concerned if they want to map video games, hairdresser, gymnastics,
karate, volleyball or football fields that's fine, they might map
something else of use whilst they are mapping or introduce someone else
who might map something more useful to us.
What the agencies like is that we can map places very quickly which is
better than no maps.  Also we are very cost effective, I was going to
say cheap but that has quality implications.  They can add their own
specific tags without having to go through a formal standards committee.
Typically it takes five years to get something through the ISO standards
process.  Currently in the background I believe HOT going through a
"standard's process" as we progress.  Nepal has had a big
impact on HOT, Ebola came earlier in the spring and is still around, but
the scale of mapping in Nepal has caused a rethink about how we do things
including training, things are becoming more formalised but having said
that I don't think it will ever be totally rigid.
Cheerio John
On 20 May 2015 at 11:32, althio
 wrote:


Springfield,

Sorry for the partial answer and I 

Re: [HOT] Nepal HOT Activity Analysis

[Suzan Reed]

Beautuful works and visually informative. Hope all the new people being 
surveyed get to see it!


Suzan


On May 21, 2015 10:34:34 PM Clifford Snow  wrote:


A friend, Ari Simmon, attend a joint OSM/Maptime Meetup to map Nepal in
Seattle. She since went on to product this awesome analysis graphic of the
work accomplished.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/arielle.ari.simmons6630#!/vizhome/NepalEarthquakeAstudyofOSMvolunteerimpacts/StoryThelongtailofOSMvolunteering

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Re: [HOT] Database, OSM & HOT (Was: Request for information about common set of tags for HOT)

[Springfield Harrison]

Hello althio,

Thanks for your remarks, sorry for the slow reply.

Thanks for pointing out the difference between 
OSM and H OSM team.  Wasn't really aware of that.


I see that the open, flexible nature of the tag 
approach has its merits I suppose.  The enduring 
mystery for me is how is this information used in 
a query?  But maybe I am barking up the wrong 
tree here, perhaps this concept is only used for 
labeling features, and querying to select the data subset is not a common task.


I only suggest changes in the anticipation that 
they would spawn improvement.  If that is not 
achievable then change for its own sake is not useful.


Thanks for your patience, Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring


At 20-05-2015 08:32 Wednesday, althio wrote:

Springfield,

Sorry for the partial answer and I don't mean to be harsh because I
know things around here are not easy to find and understand. We all
need pointers and FAQ or homepages and portals...

My point is... I do think that you are somehow confused between
OpenStreetMap and HOT:

***
OSM aka OpenStreetMap, the project, its database, its goals, its community
  - [http://www.openstreetmap.org/welcome] OpenStreetMap, the free
and editable map of the world
  - [http://www.openstreetmap.org/about] OpenStreetMap is built by a
community of mappers that contribute and maintain data about roads,
trails, cafés, railway stations, and much more (note: also video
games, hairdresser, gymnastics, karate and volleyball...) (note2: also
boundaries, hospitals, schools), all over the world.

see also OSM Foundation, the entity to support the project
  - http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Main_Page

***
HOT aka Humanitarian OSM Team is using a subset of OSM database and
building on it, its own goals (some overlap with OSM), its own
community (some overlap with OSM)
  - [http://hotosm.org/] The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team [HOT]
applies the principles of open source and open data sharing for
humanitarian response and economic development.
  - [http://hotosm.org/about]
  - [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team]

***

Back to OSM and "tag soup" database. This is a rather hard and
technical topic, and not really related to HOT and this list. You will
not find the answer here, nor the most interested or skilled people.
HOT uses and contributes to the database, HOT does not control it.

A few more words anyway? ("I am not a lawyer" 
and "I am not a database expert").

OSM database is open, free, public, iterative and rather rich.
OSM database is not fixed, not complete, not comprehensive, not
homogeneous (spatially at least).
The philosophy and structure have their own advantages and
disadvantages compared to existing datasets.
Please appreciate the uniqueness, value and potential of OSM database
before you try to make it a clone of something existing.


All the best,

 - althio


On 19 May 2015 at 21:38, Springfield Harrison  wrote:
> Hello Stefan & Blake,
>
> I concur with the comments about the "tag soup" mess. As I have mentioned
> before, I am new to this OSM environment but 
have some years experience with

> GPS and GIS mapping and database design.
>
> To be honest, I was appalled when I discovered that the OSM database design
> looked like a glorified scratchpad. I just downloaded and inspected 366,017
> OSM database records. There were 18 Key Terms and scores of values. I
> extracted the unique combinations of keys/values and ended up with 388
> records of those.
>
> It is difficult to describe the results in detail as patterns are very hard
> to see with this system. Suffice it to say, there is an abundance of
> overlap, redundancy, ambiguity and a 
confusing intermingling of features and

> attributes. Using traditional methods of querying a database, it would be
> impossible to definitively extract a 
meaningful subset of any of the 366,000

> records. Generally speaking, the problem is that one feature may be
> described in many different ways that are not consistent.
>
> Having said all that, since I frequently hear how well all this mapping
> information is received in the field, I must conclude that this mishmash of
> tagging somehow creates a usable end product. It may well be that I am not
> aware of magic techniques that bring order to all this chaotic tagging.
> However, if it works, it is good. However I do believe that it will work
> better with a more robust database.
>
> Sorry to offer this harsh critique, but in decades of looking at database
> structures for both geographical and administrative applications, I have
> never seen such a jumble of terminology.
>
> Anyway, I have put together what I believe is a more appropriate Data
> Dictionary that generally parallels the best practices in database design.
> I have found this approach to be very useful, and also useful in the field,
> since being introduced to it by Trimble Navigation in the early 90s.
>
> I am impressed with the enthusiasm that permeates the crowd GIS 

Re: [HOT] Nepal HOT Activity Analysis

[Sameer Verma]

Very awesome! Thanks for sharing.
On May 21, 2015 10:33 PM, "Clifford Snow"  wrote:

> A friend, Ari Simmon, attend a joint OSM/Maptime Meetup to map Nepal in
> Seattle. She since went on to product this awesome analysis graphic of the
> work accomplished.
>
>
> https://public.tableau.com/profile/arielle.ari.simmons6630#!/vizhome/NepalEarthquakeAstudyofOSMvolunteerimpacts/StoryThelongtailofOSMvolunteering
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[Clifford Snow]

A friend, Ari Simmon, attend a joint OSM/Maptime Meetup to map Nepal in
Seattle. She since went on to product this awesome analysis graphic of the
work accomplished.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/arielle.ari.simmons6630#!/vizhome/NepalEarthquakeAstudyofOSMvolunteerimpacts/StoryThelongtailofOSMvolunteering

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Re: [HOT] newbie needs advice

[Springfield Harrison]

Hello Kretzer,
Sorry for
the slow reply here.  Thanks for your comments.

However, a
database of spatial information is a GIS.  To me, this implies some
degree of rigour in both the data and geographical elements.
But, if it
succeeds in spite of these deficiencies then that is good.  I'm not
sure how effective the crowd can be in identifying potential helipads, it
may be more efficient for the experts just to have at it from the
beginning.  Not knowing what they're looking for, the crowd may well
steer the experts away from qualified sites.  To avoid this pitfall,
the experts pretty well have to scan the whole tile  anyway.

Thanks again,
Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring


At 06-05-2015 03:00 Wednesday, Kretzer wrote:
Hi Spring,
OpenStreetMap is definitely not a military style organisation ... I think
it's not even a GIS-project in the stricter sense (rather a open database
of spatial information).
 
But I also think it IS a success. Like Wikipedia it is often chaotic, it
is very often inconsistent and yet I am often in awe how much such a
huge, unorganised crowd of volunteers can achieve - in both cases you get
a wealth of information that you won't find from any commercial source.
And that information can grow and improve organically, even if it
naturally includes a lot of trial and error.
 
It is just a very differnt system. I guess it helps to keep that in mind
to inform your expectations. I like Michaels explanation that the crowd
can do a lot to prepare the information (like *potential* landing sites,
to prepare the groud for the experts).
 
  
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 06. Mai 2015 um 07:41 Uhr Von:
"Springfield Harrison"  An:
"Denis Carriere" ,
"HOT@openstreetmap.org" 
Betreff: Re: [HOT] newbie needs advice
Hello Master Cpl. Carriere,    
OK, glad to hear that.  From the list of problems and concerns brought
forward on the twitter session earlier, it definitely sounded like
accuracy and consistency of the OSM editing might be suspect.  Dragging
their photos around to force the alignment of different features gives me
the willies.  What if the next volunteer drags it off in another
direction?  For me, this is a whole new loose approach to GIS which I
have always thought of as highly disciplined and structured.
    However, if your hardcopy
printouts are useful to the field crews, that is good.  As a new person
looking on from the edges and trying a few edits, the process does look a
bit sketchy, but if it works, it works.
    As a 30+ year helicopter
pilot, I did have some concern with the very skimpy helipad instructions.
 In high-altitude, rugged terrain there is much more to locating helipads
than finding a 30 m flat square of ground.  Is there any technical
oversight by experienced pilots on this task?
    I assume that there are no
current maps for this area, just the OSM edits?  I did find some ASM
1950s mapping.  Is there nothing newer than that?
    
    Thank you, Cheers . . . . . .
. . Spring Harrison At 05-05-2015 21:20 Tuesday, Denis Carriere wrote:  



I'm not sure if succesful GIS is a crowd
activity. I've asked but heard nothing
about the end use of all this activity. Is it serving the folks on the
ground? OSM crowd activity is very successful, speaking from
the Canadian Forces DART deployed on the ground. I've printed so far 300+
hardcopy maps all made with 100% OSM data for people deployed in remote
locations. @OSM Community: Keep up the great work! It's really making a
difference! ~~ Denis, MCpl Carriere Canadian Forces GIS Project
Manager OP Renaissance Nepal 2015 Twitter:Â
@DenisCarriere OSM:

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Re: [HOT] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal

[Springfield Harrison]

Hello Brad,
Sorry to
be slow on this, lots to keep up with.
In terms
of helicopter flight hazards, it wouldn't really be necessary to map all
the power lines, end to end.  The hazards are primarily where the
power lines cross valleys or gorges.  Marking only those types of
sites may save a lot of time.
In
addition, if the pilot has to scan the whole powerline map to assess for
hazards, that is not much help overall.  Our aviation charts do show
power lines but also show the crossings with tower symbols.
Also worth
mapping are communication towers.  These can prove quite a threat in
poor weather, especially if not lighted or marked.

Thanks, Cheers .
. . . . . . . Spring Harrison


At 14-05-2015 08:23 Thursday, Brad Neuhauser wrote:
Fyi, user GautamPratik already
started entering some hydro sites using the tag hydropower_project:name.
Here's a search for that:

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lJ 
And one for power=generator generally in Nepal:

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lN
Cheers, Brad
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Steve Bower

wrote:


The Nepal Electric Authority would likely already have such a map, or
relevant data:

http://www.nea.org.np/

Page 106 of their annual plan has a transmission line map:



http://www.nea.org.np/images/supportive_docs/Annual%20Report-2014.pdf


I did not find anything better in a quick search of their web site,
but they could probably provide something.


Steve


On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton
 wrote:


Hi,

As you may know, helicopters play a critical role in bringing help
to

Nepalese people affected by April 25 7.8 earthquake, and May 12
7.4

aftershock, with roads blocked or made dangerous by landslides
and

unstable terrain.

A USMC helicopter that was taking part in this effort is missing
since

May 12. Other helicopters involved in the search and rescue
mission

report that: "A primary concern for ongoing search and rescue
efforts is

unmarked high tension power lines, which have been reported and
bisect

many of the valleys in the search area".

Some high tension power lines have already been mapped

(
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lx , passed along to those conducting
the

searches). Starting from electrical dams makes it easier to spot
them.

If mappers experienced at mapping power lines could give a hand,
this

would be great. (Or others willing to learn, like me :) ).

Bing is available for large parts of Nepal. A focus for current
search

and rescue effort is around Ghorthali (27.7517 NÂ  86.0342 E) from
where

a Nepalese local reported seeing a helicopter crash. But of course
high

tension power lines would also be nice to have for
Sindhupalchowk,

Dolakha and other affected districts (see


http://kathmandulivinglabs.github.io/quake-maps/).

(Please download and upload OSM data often, in case other mappers
work

on the same theme).

Thanks,

Jean-Guilhem


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Re: [HOT] Problems saving in ID

[Suzan Reed]

Nick and all, 

Would someone be so kind as to add the information way below to the "issues" at 
the link Nick sent to me? I had a dickens of a time trying to provide the 
feedback at that link, and I thought I was pretty good with stuff like that. 

Suzan 


On May 21, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Nick Allen wrote:

Hi,

https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues

Should be the place to report problems.

Nick
(OSM=Tallguy)

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On 21 May 2015 09:25, "Suzan Reed"  wrote:

For some time I've been having problems saving when using ID.

I don't know who to report this to. Can someone direct me the person or people 
who can fix the ID editor? Or send the following to them?

Suzan

Here are the issues:

1. After Saving edits, unlocking the Task, and going to another Task, a dialog 
box appears with two icons that indicates past edits have not saved, and asks 
if I want to restore the edits and save them. When saved, I believe these over 
write the last Task, doubling the images.

2. Other times another dialog box appears:
"Errors occured while trying to save
Bad Gateway. The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream 
server.
Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at www.openstreetmap.org Port 80"  (html tags have 
been removed for brevity.)

When Saving after getting this kind of dialog box, the Save button has to be 
pressed several times. There can be long delays. Eventually the edits Save and 
I get the dialog that shows they are being saved and the blue images in the 
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Re: [HOT] Database, OSM & HOT (Was: Request for information about common set of tags for HOT)

[Andreas Goss]

I have to admit I never saw either one, but honestly I'm also not sure 
what I would have replyed.


The older one is kinda like what tagging do I prefer, but at the same 
time not making clear what HOT and people using the data need, 
especially when it comes to routing. I mean if it already starts with 
they may do that and they may do that...


And I think the reason there was little feedback for the recent mail is 
probably because it looked fine to most people. The majority of mappers 
there are not really involved in crisis mapping and if they are will 
just do the tasks. Not to mention that it's a giant wall of text which 
never helps. And you are also kinda left alone with the links. I think 
it really lacked a comparison between what has been used and was not 
good and why this new tagging is better.



When it comes to Tagging you always have to explain what has been used 
in the past, what you propose, what are obvious alternatives, what 
should no longer be used, why you propose it, how it will be used etc.



What I still don't see are Wiki pages for the Keys/Tags. Just create 
them when they already are in the database. And create the proposal. And 
I also think there are a lot of Tags outside of this life cycle which 
are far easier to document.




 > And to be honest I can't remember ever having seen any HOT topics on the
 > tagging mailinglist (apart from the 1 I posted), where you could discuss
 > Tags used for both conventinal as well as crisis mapping and discuss
where
 > do use established tags and where to use new ones.

Similar threads?

Damage Assessment Tags - Would like feedback on a schema
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Damage-Assessment-Tags-Would-like-feedback-on-a-schema-tp5842202.html

Impassable, damaged and related life cycle concepts
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Impassable-damaged-and-related-life-cycle-concepts-td5791364.html


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[althio]

Andreas Goss  wrote:
> And to be honest I can't remember ever having seen any HOT topics on the
> tagging mailinglist (apart from the 1 I posted), where you could discuss
> Tags used for both conventinal as well as crisis mapping and discuss where
> do use established tags and where to use new ones.

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[HOT] State of the Map - US - June 6 - 8, 2015 - Get your tickets now

[Heather Leson]

Hello, While HOT Is a global community part of the larger OSM family, there
may be a large continent of us at State of the Map US. I'll be there and am
excited to connect with old friends and meet up with new ones.

If you are planning on attending, ticket sales close on June 1, 2015:
http://stateofthemap.us/


Here is a collaborative document to share attendance and sessions including
hopefully building a plan for a Birds of a Feather Session.

https://hackpad.com/State-of-the-Map-US-3UHK61revID

A personal ask: I am hosting a session on "Your Neighbour is Mapping". The
goal is to be an interactive session to build on what we've learned and
dream big - what would it take for the next million people to be active on
OSM. Please add your thoughts and I will try to incorporate them to the
session. The goal is to make these notes and the session input into a
living document. While not everyone can attend SOTM-US, this gives you a
chance to raise your ideas and think about actionable steps.

Thanks and see some of you soon,

Heather

Heather Leson
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Re: [HOT] Database, OSM & HOT (Was: Request for information about common set of tags for HOT)

[Andreas Goss]

Back to OSM and "tag soup" database. This is a rather hard and
technical topic, and not really related to HOT and this list. You will
not find the answer here, nor the most interested or skilled people.
HOT uses and contributes to the database, HOT does not control it.


But there are many tags that are only used by HOT and many of those are 
not documented (some can be found here 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Undocumented_Tags).
Also many of the OpenStreetMap tags that HOT uses are old and 
established tags.


And to be honest I can't remember ever having seen any HOT topics on the 
tagging mailinglist (apart from the 1 I posted), where you could discuss 
Tags used for both conventinal as well as crisis mapping and discuss 
where do use established tags and where to use new ones.



In my opinion HOT needs a page with a overview of...

1. HOT only Tags (+creating individual pages)

2. Tags that might have a slightly different meaning in different places 
(e.g. street types) Maybe even have something like 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway/HOT/


3. Frequently/Important Tags used for HOT mapping with 1:1 the same 
meaning.


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Re: [HOT] Problems saving in ID

[Nick Allen]

Hi,

https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues

Should be the place to report problems.

Nick
(OSM=Tallguy)

dodgy didgits as using a phone with a spell chequer.

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On 21 May 2015 09:25, "Suzan Reed"  wrote:

> For some time I've been having problems saving when using ID.
>
> I don't know who to report this to. Can someone direct me the person or
> people who can fix the ID editor? Or send the following to them?
>
> Suzan
>
> Here are the issues:
>
> 1. After Saving edits, unlocking the Task, and going to another Task, a
> dialog box appears with two icons that indicates past edits have not saved,
> and asks if I want to restore the edits and save them. When saved, I
> believe these over write the last Task, doubling the images.
>
> 2. Other times another dialog box appears:
> "Errors occured while trying to save
> Bad Gateway. The proxy server received an invalid response from an
> upstream server.
> Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at www.openstreetmap.org Port 80"  (html
> tags have been removed for brevity.)
>
> When Saving after getting this kind of dialog box, the Save button has to
> be pressed several times. There can be long delays. Eventually the edits
> Save and I get the dialog that shows they are being saved and the blue
> images in the left column appear.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [HOT] DRAFT- HOT Nepal Response Community Survey

[Heather Leson]

HI Suzan, I think the summary is very good

heather

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On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:22 AM, Suzan Reed  wrote:

> Is everyone clear about exactly what data is needed, and the purpose(s) of
> sending an email and the survey? It's a great marketing opportunity.
>
> An email with a survey can have several goals:
> to thank people for their participation,
> to nudge them to participate more,
> and to gather key data.
>
> I'm probably just missing this information so please excuse if this is
> already stated somewhere.
>
> Suzan
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2015, at 6:06 PM, john whelan wrote:
>
> The numbers were merely as an illustration.  Perhaps I should have said
> 100 changesets rather than edits. The precise number to use really needs to
> be determined, and is not in my area of expertise but the principle is I
> think we're interested in different groups of users in different ways.
>
> For new mappers I think its more what can we do to improve the experience
> both to get a bit more useful mapping from you and second to tempt you
> back, there is a lot more HOT mapping than Nepal.
>
> For experienced mappers my personal view is again what can we do to help
> and can we nudge you into doing some validation.
>
> Having worked at Stats Can for a few years some of their methodology has
> rubbed off, and one bit was never ask a question if you can find out the
> answer in another way,  it gives people the chance to be economical with
> the truth.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 20 May 2015 at 20:11, john o'l  wrote:
> As an inexperienced OSM mapper, yet someone who believes that there is
> merit in the HOT approach, I found that I was frustrated for much of the
> time I tried to participate according to instructions and by following
> pointers and tracking down relevant resources.  My participation during the
> few days I spent on this track far exceeded the specific thresholds
> mentioned earlier of “one session in Nepal and …less than 5 edits in OSM”
> and “experienced in OSM say greater than 100 edits.”  For the record,
> according to a list published a couple of weeks ago I did more than 30
> changesets and 1800 edits over 6 days.  I’d wager that a substantial
> proportion of them didn’t meet preferred standards for validation. I also
> know that there were a few instances where I just bailed once I got error
> messages regarding the operation of the editor window itself or after my
> attempt to save a chunk of changes got thwarted somehow.
>
>
> Anyway, keeping this short to maintain focus on the numbers being used to
> classify and focus certain sets of questions… they seem low to me, but it
> is possible that I’m exceptionally bull-headed and dense. And no worries,
> you'll probably have an opportunity to hear more of my feedback once the
> Nepal activation sprint transitions more completely into a marathon.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:
> Yes it would be an idea to classify people and send a different url for
> - 1 day edit
> - less then xxx edits
> - others
>
> We would also know how many answered in each of these groups while
> respecting anonymity.
>
> Pierre
>
> De : john whelan 
> À : Pierre Béland 
> Cc : Heather Leson ; "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian
> OpenStreetMap Team)" 
> Envoyé le : Mercredi 20 mai 2015 18h48
>
> Objet : Re: [HOT] DRAFT- HOT Nepal Response Community Survey
>
> You should be able to get a list of HOT /OSM ids with the data attached.
> Now extract from this those who have only done one session in Nepal and
> have less than 5 edits in OSM.
>
> When you send out the questionnaire to this group you send them a link to
> the full version.
>
> For those who are experienced in OSM say greater than 100 edits send them
> a link which omits the training questions.  Etc.
>
> If you can find someone to code it it is technically possible that when
> you send the link you also send the email address embedded in the link.
>
> Hopefully that makes it a bit clearer.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20 May 2015 at 18:34, Pierre Béland  wrote:
> John
>
> This will work only with the people that accept to provide their identity
> and osm nickname.
>
>
> Pierre
>
> De : john whelan 
> À : Heather Leson 
> Cc : "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)" 
> Envoyé le : Mercredi 20 mai 2015 17h54
> Objet : Re: [HOT] DRAFT- HOT Nepal Response Community Survey
>
> It appears my comments on email addresses were not understood clearly.
>
> If we do an extract on OSM and HOT we can identify people who have mapped
> in OSM before, those who have mapped on only one occasion in Nepal etc.  In
> other words if we only send the relevant questions to a group of email
> addresses who we know have never mapped before then we can tailor the
> questions specifically to them.  Or have two or three versions of the
> questionnaire one for each group we are interested in.  The other method is
> to pick up their

[HOT] Problems saving in ID

[Suzan Reed]

For some time I've been having problems saving when using ID. 

I don't know who to report this to. Can someone direct me the person or people 
who can fix the ID editor? Or send the following to them? 

Suzan

Here are the issues:
 
1. After Saving edits, unlocking the Task, and going to another Task, a dialog 
box appears with two icons that indicates past edits have not saved, and asks 
if I want to restore the edits and save them. When saved, I believe these over 
write the last Task, doubling the images. 

2. Other times another dialog box appears: 
"Errors occured while trying to save
Bad Gateway. The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream 
server.
Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at www.openstreetmap.org Port 80"  (html tags have 
been removed for brevity.)

When Saving after getting this kind of dialog box, the Save button has to be 
pressed several times. There can be long delays. Eventually the edits Save and 
I get the dialog that shows they are being saved and the blue images in the 
left column appear. 






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