Re: [HOT] Validation
I've just submitted a pull request on github[1] for the reworded buttons. The labels proposed in the pull request are Start mapping, Stop mapping, and Submit for review since the consensus seemed to settle on those options. [1]: https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/pull/678 -- Jarmo On 30.08.2015 20:02, Dale Kunce wrote: I like the start mapping/stop mapping names. I always thought unlock was a bit weird. @susan since the TM is a project in github feel free to file an issue on the repo and take a shot at fixing the labels in the code. https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2 On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Jarmo Kivekäs jarmo.kive...@guttula.com wrote: ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
A further consideration: the terms should express a sense of _why_ we’re asking people to press these buttons. The technical “check in/out” hints at this, although it is likely not universally understood, and might not easily translate. Do we explain our coordination workflow anywhere? If we have some confidence that people have seen that explanation before they are asked to “start”, then button labelling will become more straightforward. There’s less burden on the button to explain a fundamental workflow in 2-3 words. It could be as simple as adding a sentence above the buttons. Although 2-3 words that label the button *and* explain the process at the same time would of course be the most elegant option :) m. On 30 Aug 2015, at 12:06, Pierre GIRAUD pierre.gir...@gmail.com wrote: Also please remember that the tool is translated in other languages. On my side, I don't know how to translate check in/out in french. It depends on the situation. When I'm at the airport checking in luggages, or at a hotel checking in to get my room's keys, I won't use the same words. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 2:52 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: check in /out might be considered a regional dialect, you have to consider the audience and their level of English, I think keep it as simple and as clear as possible. Cheerio John On 29 August 2015 at 20:15, Denis Carriere carriere.de...@gmail.com wrote: I'm liking check in check out, I feel terminology is more commonly used. Also ethically the words start work doesn't look as good as button vs. check in. My personal opinion, +1 on check in check out ~~ Denis Carriere GIS Project Manager Twitter: @DenisCarriere OSM: DenisCarriere Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: Would 'start work' and 'stop work' be clear to all people? Suzan Sent from my phone. Please forgive errors. On August 29, 2015 11:46:55 AM Jarmo Kivekäs jarmo.kive...@guttula.com wrote: Hi! There has been some related discussion in a github issue[1] about this last October. I rather like the Stop working on task alternative that is suggested instead of the Unlock button in that issue. Especially since currently the button to lock a task says Start mapping. There is more obvious connection between start/stop than start/unlock. Checking in and checking out content is probably a strange concept to many. I don't think it's an improvement over locking and unlocking. Submit for review is a definitive improvement over Mark as done. It should be implemented. I've played around a little and made the changes I like the best in a local copy of the tasking manager (screenshot in attachment). I'll implement the changes and make a pull request if we come to an agreement. -- jarmo [1] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/401 On 29.08.2015 05:22, Jim Smith wrote: I like the idea of renaming the 'mark as done' button to 'submit for review'. Little tweaks like that can bring clarity to those starting out. Also Suzan suggested that the “lock” “unlock” function be renamed to “Check out” and “check in. That would make a big difference as well. I don't want to be too overenthusiastic but is there any reason not to make those two improvements? If no objection, can they be done soon? Jim -Original Message- From: Martin Dittus [mailto:mar...@dekstop.de] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 7:44 AM To: David Toy d...@vidtoy.co.uk Cc: hot hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] Validation As I’m going through the comments again (here and on my diary post) I’m starting to realise how important it is to give feedback to newcomers. Without it, few people will ever feel confident about their contributions. In many cases it probably doesn’t even need to be feedback from an expert — it could be a comment from someone with similar experience levels. A second pair of eyes. An important part of this is being able to ask someone for a second opinion. At a mapathon that’s easy, but where do remote mappers go? m. On 24 Aug 2015, at 19:00, David Toy d...@vidtoy.co.uk wrote: Hi Jarmo. Welcome! My introduction/onboarding to HOT was almost identical to Jarmo's - and I can relate very clearly to all the points he has raised. I suspect that there are a few more lurkers on this list who will be similar. Pierre G's document suggests renaming the 'mark as done' button to 'submit for review'. A simplification of terms / altered workflow would have helped me initially. Taking the example of the done button, 'submit for review' implies that: - a) it's ok to make a mistake getting started - someone will catch it, and - b) I should expect feedback This helps with Jarmo's first and second scenarios, but also softens the blow when (your first) task is coldly invalidated with only four words of
Re: [HOT] World Humanitarian Youth Summit - Doha - photos and stories (Franka Grubisic)
Hi Heather, so I bring to you a few short stories followed by photos: On May 9th, as a part of 11th Conference on Cartography and Geoinformation, an OpenStreetMap Workshop was being held, for more than 30 students from local Buzet (Istria, Croatia) Highschool from ages 15 to 18, held by me and professor from my Faculty, Mr Drazen Tutic. Kids have edited their city, divided in groups and sent out to different parts of the city, with a map, some tracing paper and a pen. You can access the photos here: http://www.kartografija.hr/pregled-slika.en/items/radionica-uredivanje-slobodne-karte-buzeta.html On May 13th on Faculty of Geodesy at University of Zagreb, Croatia, was held a one day Fast Forward OSM Workshop - Helping to Map Nepal! under the initiative of the IT Section of Student Council. The workshop was held by myself and my dear colleague Drazen Odobasic, for around 20+ students from 3PM until 8PM. Here are some photos: http://postimg.org/image/cci83g3nl/ , http://postimg.org/image/kmlsr5rsn/ And last, but not the least, on the 3rd FIG (International Federation of Surveyors) Young Surveyors Network European Meeting (May 16th) I have held a presentation about OpenStreetMap and about the importance of Mapping Response because on May 19th, during the FIG Working Week in the Young Surveyors Sessions, 2nd FIG Young Surveyors Workshop was held with the topic: Mapping response - contributions for Nepal. The workshop took place on 19th May 2015. It gathered 50 surveyors from over 30 countries together in Sofia, Bulgaria and increased the covered mapping area in our task from 20% up to 32% within 1 hour which is approximately 32km2 - although for some of the participants it was the first time using OpenStreetMap. More about the event you can find here: https://www.facebook.com/FigYoungSurveyorsNetwork/posts/711594045616303:0, and photo: http://postimg.org/image/utz57hqqv/ Hope this is helpful! Cheers, Franka ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
Currently there are tooltips in place that are displayed when you hover the cursor over the button. They give a pretty clear idea on what the buttons do: - Lock this task to tell other that you are currently working on it - Stop working on this task and unlock it. You may resume work on it again later. - Mark this task as done if you have completed all items in the instructions. I think we should settle for Start mapping and Stop mapping for the button labels. -- Jarmo On 30.08.2015 15:18, Martin Dittus wrote: A further consideration: the terms should express a sense of _why_ we’re asking people to press these buttons. The technical “check in/out” hints at this, although it is likely not universally understood, and might not easily translate. Do we explain our coordination workflow anywhere? If we have some confidence that people have seen that explanation before they are asked to “start”, then button labelling will become more straightforward. There’s less burden on the button to explain a fundamental workflow in 2-3 words. It could be as simple as adding a sentence above the buttons. Although 2-3 words that label the button *and* explain the process at the same time would of course be the most elegant option :) m. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
John, The tooltips do not require java, but do require javascript. This should not be an issue, though, since the tasking manager UI won't work in the first place if the browser is not executing javascript. -- Jarmo On 30.08.2015 19:04, john whelan wrote: Do tool tips require java or javascript? Not everyone is comfortable with these from a security point of view. Cheerio John On 30 August 2015 at 11:43, Jarmo Kivekäs jarmo.kive...@guttula.com wrote: Currently there are tooltips in place that are displayed when you hover the cursor over the button. They give a pretty clear idea on what the buttons do: - Lock this task to tell other that you are currently working on it - Stop working on this task and unlock it. You may resume work on it again later. - Mark this task as done if you have completed all items in the instructions. I think we should settle for Start mapping and Stop mapping for the button labels. -- Jarmo On 30.08.2015 15:18, Martin Dittus wrote: A further consideration: the terms should express a sense of _why_ we’re asking people to press these buttons. The technical “check in/out” hints at this, although it is likely not universally understood, and might not easily translate. Do we explain our coordination workflow anywhere? If we have some confidence that people have seen that explanation before they are asked to “start”, then button labelling will become more straightforward. There’s less burden on the button to explain a fundamental workflow in 2-3 words. It could be as simple as adding a sentence above the buttons. Although 2-3 words that label the button *and* explain the process at the same time would of course be the most elegant option :) m. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
'Start mapping' and 'end mapping' clearly communicates without the need for further explanation. The words can be stacked on the button for even more clarity. Good visual and written description that's clear and concise. How does this get implimated? What are the next steps? Sent from my phone. Please forgive errors. On August 30, 2015 5:21:12 AM Martin Dittus mar...@dekstop.de wrote: A further consideration: the terms should express a sense of _why_ we’re asking people to press these buttons. The technical “check in/out” hints at this, although it is likely not universally understood, and might not easily translate. Do we explain our coordination workflow anywhere? If we have some confidence that people have seen that explanation before they are asked to “start”, then button labelling will become more straightforward. There’s less burden on the button to explain a fundamental workflow in 2-3 words. It could be as simple as adding a sentence above the buttons. Although 2-3 words that label the button *and* explain the process at the same time would of course be the most elegant option :) m. On 30 Aug 2015, at 12:06, Pierre GIRAUD pierre.gir...@gmail.com wrote: Also please remember that the tool is translated in other languages. On my side, I don't know how to translate check in/out in french. It depends on the situation. When I'm at the airport checking in luggages, or at a hotel checking in to get my room's keys, I won't use the same words. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 2:52 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: check in /out might be considered a regional dialect, you have to consider the audience and their level of English, I think keep it as simple and as clear as possible. Cheerio John On 29 August 2015 at 20:15, Denis Carriere carriere.de...@gmail.com wrote: I'm liking check in check out, I feel terminology is more commonly used. Also ethically the words start work doesn't look as good as button vs. check in. My personal opinion, +1 on check in check out ~~ Denis Carriere GIS Project Manager Twitter: @DenisCarriere OSM: DenisCarriere Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: Would 'start work' and 'stop work' be clear to all people? Suzan Sent from my phone. Please forgive errors. On August 29, 2015 11:46:55 AM Jarmo Kivekäs jarmo.kive...@guttula.com wrote: Hi! There has been some related discussion in a github issue[1] about this last October. I rather like the Stop working on task alternative that is suggested instead of the Unlock button in that issue. Especially since currently the button to lock a task says Start mapping. There is more obvious connection between start/stop than start/unlock. Checking in and checking out content is probably a strange concept to many. I don't think it's an improvement over locking and unlocking. Submit for review is a definitive improvement over Mark as done. It should be implemented. I've played around a little and made the changes I like the best in a local copy of the tasking manager (screenshot in attachment). I'll implement the changes and make a pull request if we come to an agreement. -- jarmo [1] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/401 On 29.08.2015 05:22, Jim Smith wrote: I like the idea of renaming the 'mark as done' button to 'submit for review'. Little tweaks like that can bring clarity to those starting out. Also Suzan suggested that the “lock” “unlock” function be renamed to “Check out” and “check in. That would make a big difference as well. I don't want to be too overenthusiastic but is there any reason not to make those two improvements? If no objection, can they be done soon? Jim -Original Message- From: Martin Dittus [mailto:mar...@dekstop.de] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 7:44 AM To: David Toy d...@vidtoy.co.uk Cc: hot hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] Validation As I’m going through the comments again (here and on my diary post) I’m starting to realise how important it is to give feedback to newcomers. Without it, few people will ever feel confident about their contributions. In many cases it probably doesn’t even need to be feedback from an expert — it could be a comment from someone with similar experience levels. A second pair of eyes. An important part of this is being able to ask someone for a second opinion. At a mapathon that’s easy, but where do remote mappers go? m. On 24 Aug 2015, at 19:00, David Toy d...@vidtoy.co.uk wrote: Hi Jarmo. Welcome! My introduction/onboarding to HOT was almost identical to Jarmo's - and I can relate very clearly to all the points he has raised. I suspect that there are a few more lurkers on this list who will be similar. Pierre G's document suggests renaming the 'mark as done' button to 'submit for review'. A simplification of terms / altered workflow would have helped me initially. Taking the example of the done button, 'submit for
[HOT] Validation
I like start mapping and stop mapping. Direct and simple. -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
I like start mapping and stop mapping. Direct and simple. Sounds very good to me and should be simple to translate. Cheerio John On 30 August 2015 at 10:47, Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com wrote: I like start mapping and stop mapping. Direct and simple. -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
I like the start mapping/stop mapping names. I always thought unlock was a bit weird. @susan since the TM is a project in github feel free to file an issue on the repo and take a shot at fixing the labels in the code. https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2 On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Jarmo Kivekäs jarmo.kive...@guttula.com wrote: John, The tooltips do not require java, but do require javascript. This should not be an issue, though, since the tasking manager UI won't work in the first place if the browser is not executing javascript. -- Jarmo On 30.08.2015 19:04, john whelan wrote: Do tool tips require java or javascript? Not everyone is comfortable with these from a security point of view. Cheerio John On 30 August 2015 at 11:43, Jarmo Kivekäs jarmo.kive...@guttula.com wrote: Currently there are tooltips in place that are displayed when you hover the cursor over the button. They give a pretty clear idea on what the buttons do: - Lock this task to tell other that you are currently working on it - Stop working on this task and unlock it. You may resume work on it again later. - Mark this task as done if you have completed all items in the instructions. I think we should settle for Start mapping and Stop mapping for the button labels. -- Jarmo On 30.08.2015 15:18, Martin Dittus wrote: A further consideration: the terms should express a sense of _why_ we’re asking people to press these buttons. The technical “check in/out” hints at this, although it is likely not universally understood, and might not easily translate. Do we explain our coordination workflow anywhere? If we have some confidence that people have seen that explanation before they are asked to “start”, then button labelling will become more straightforward. There’s less burden on the button to explain a fundamental workflow in 2-3 words. It could be as simple as adding a sentence above the buttons. Although 2-3 words that label the button *and* explain the process at the same time would of course be the most elegant option :) m. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- sent from my mobile device Dale Kunce http://normalhabit.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
