Re: [HOT] Maps.Me in Tanzania

[Janet Chapman]

Thank you so much Blake, Maps.Me is brilliant, just trying to work out the best 
way to ensure we get as accurate data as possible as most people in rural 
Tanzania are mapping onto pretty blank canvases...
Janet

 Janet Chapman - Campaigns Manager and Project Officer
http://hiaragirlpower.blogspot.com/
TANZANIA DEVELOPMENT TRUSTRegistered Charity no 270462Every pound given to TDT 
goes directly to projects in Tanzaniawww.TanzDevTrust.org 


> Subject: Re: [HOT] Maps.Me in Tanzania
> To: joost.schou...@gmail.com; j.chap...@tanzdevtrust.org
> CC: julianha...@gmail.com; hot@openstreetmap.org; 
> emramanauska...@googlemail.com
> From: bgirar...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 15:02:26 +0200
> 
> 
> Hi Janet,
> 
> I also forwarded your email to Illya, one of the maps.me developers.
> 
> But Joost's email just reminded me that we are in the process of 
> creating a maps.me export for our HOT Export Tool that would allow you 
> to get an up to the minute set of data for maps.me anytime you want, so 
> you could literally map today, and be using the data you entered later 
> that evening in maps.me.
> 
> I ran out of time, but I also spoke a little bit to Illya about how we 
> might help add to the their existing data editing model to better 
> support humanitarian mapping.
> 
> maps.me as a company is a great supporter of humanitarian mapping and 
> they often contact HOT to discuss ways they can support our work in 
> their tools (the HOT export tool support being one very concrete 
> example, open sourcing their product is another) so I am sure we can 
> make progress to make the app even more useful in the contexts we 
> generally work.
> 
> Cheers,
> Blake
> 
> On 4/20/2016 2:45 PM, joost schouppe wrote:
> > Hi Janet,
> >
> > While I know it is possible to do such things with those apps, I
> > wouldn't know how. But it helps asking around. Or posting on their issue
> > trackers as suggested.
> >
> > Same goes for querying data provided by Osmand and maps.me
> >  editors. Must be possible, but not trivial. I think the
> > best way would be to create an rss feed of relevant changesets (hard) ,
> > loading those in an online spreadsheet (easy) , and marking them as
> > checked when you had a look (very easy).
> >
> > I think my friends in Bolivia would like to have such a thing too.
> >
> > Joost
> >
> > Op 20-apr.-2016 11:05 schreef  > >:
> >
> > Dear Joost
> >
> > Thanks very much for that.  It would be fantastic to create an
> > African or even Swahili Maps.me with relevant tags, as I think this
> > is definitely a great way to get people on the ground mapping.
> >
> > I'm currently writing this on my phone on a bus in Kakonko,  and
> > can't check out the links yet,  but do you know if there is a way in
> > osm to bring up all the points in an area that have been added via
> > Maps.me as often you're mapping onto a blank page so points are
> > unlikely to correspond exactly to a building,  but could be
> > corrected in osm with reference to the satellite image..
> >
> > Thanks
> > Janet
> >
> >
> > From: joost schouppe
> > Sent: Wednesday 20 April 09:45
> > Subject: Re: [HOT] Maps.Me in Tanzania
> > To: j.chap...@tanzdevtrust.org 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Their help section does not state an exact update frequency [1], but
> > it seems to be somewhere between a couple of times a year and every
> > few weeks. However, on this page, you can see the creation date of
> > the file being pushed now [2] (25th of March right now).
> >
> > They have gone open source with the code [3], so theoretically it
> > should be possible to make a Maps.me with African presets.
> >
> > Of course, if you need full flexibility, Osmand is probably better
> > out of the box.
> >
> > Considering the risk of making duplicate entries: in case of doubt,
> > always make a note instead of a POI. But even with updated maps, I'm
> > seeing a lot of duplicate entries by newbie mappers with maps.me
> > . I don't really mind, as they seem to be bending
> > the curve [4] of the OSM-world in general.
> >
> > 1: http://maps.me/en/help#mapdata
> >
> > 2: http://direct.mapswithme.com/direct/latest/
> >
> > 3: https://github.com/mapsme
> >
> > 4: https://twitter.com/osm_be/status/722101255779323904
> >
> >
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Re: [HOT] Mapathons for Ecuador

[Russell Deffner]

Hi Andreas – the wonders of the internet as I think we were both talking with 
Andrew at the same time, just different channels :)

 

We will continue to release projects, I expect at least for the next several 
days, potentially weeks as ‘post-event’ imagery is now being captured and 
processed (but may be some time before significant coverage to ‘switch’). The 
Crisis Mappers – Japan team also continues to add projects, so if by some 
chance there isn’t an Ecuador project, please do feel free to help on others.

 

More to come, stay tuned and thanks for everyone’s’ assistance!

=Russ

 

From: Dr. Andreas Reimer [mailto:arei...@posteo.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:59 AM
To: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapathons for Ecuador

 

Hi Russ and Humberto, hi list!

Starting on April 21st (around 2am Ecuador time), I will be gathering 20 
GIS-people for further training (Kassel, Germany).

My plan is to train them in JOSM and help with the mapping efforts for Ecuador. 
Via Andrew buck I am told new imagery will be available soon, with new tasks 
coming up.

If there is something we can map or re-map/correct ( squaring buildings etc.) 
from afar, please let us know.

The current projects look they might be finished by 2am, so I want to makes 
sure we can actually help you this way. If not, just say so. If there is 
something that needs some more training before being done, we might be able to 
arrange that. Sadly we have no spanish speakers available.

I will check tonight and tomorrow (German time) early morning for news.
I entered the Mapathon into the list as requested.

All the best, 

Andreas 

On 20.04.2016 16:53, Russell Deffner wrote:

Greetings everyone,

 

You can help us coordinate this response!  The easiest way is to help us 
capture ‘dynamic’ information, such as news reports; but more importantly – 
Mapathons.  We typically capture this information on an event wiki-page, and we 
are currently getting this one a bit more organized. Right now the wiki is in 
both English and Spanish, and both versions are being updated by the teams in 
their respective languages – so yes, they are different at the moment.  So 
whichever language you are more comfortable with, please add your mapathon and 
news stories, etc. here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2016_Ecuador_earthquake - or more 
specifically under the Mapping Events section (i.e. 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2016_Ecuador_earthquake#Mapping_Events) 

 

This will both help people find your event, but also help the coordinators know 
when there will be events, validators to know when to expect high volumes of 
new data/mappers, etc. 

 

Happy Mapping! (and wiki-editing :)

=Russ






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Re: [HOT] Mapathons for Ecuador

[Dr. Andreas Reimer]

Hi Russ and Humberto, hi list!

Starting on April 21st (around 2am Ecuador time), I will be gathering 20 
GIS-people for further training (Kassel, Germany).


My plan is to train them in JOSM and help with the mapping efforts for 
Ecuador. Via Andrew buck I am told new imagery will be available soon, 
with new tasks coming up.


If there is something we can map or re-map/correct ( squaring buildings 
etc.) from afar, please let us know.


The current projects look they might be finished by 2am, so I want to 
makes sure we can actually help you this way. If not, just say so. If 
there is something that needs some more training before being done, we 
might be able to arrange that. Sadly we have no spanish speakers available.


I will check tonight and tomorrow (German time) early morning for news.
I entered the Mapathon into the list as requested.

All the best,

Andreas

On 20.04.2016 16:53, Russell Deffner wrote:


Greetings everyone,

You can help us coordinate this response! The easiest way is to help 
us capture ‘dynamic’ information, such as news reports; but more 
importantly – Mapathons.  We typically capture this information on an 
event wiki-page, and we are currently getting this one a bit more 
organized. Right now the wiki is in both English and Spanish, and both 
versions are being updated by the teams in their respective languages 
– so yes, they are different at the moment.  So whichever language you 
are more comfortable with, please add your mapathon and news stories, 
etc. here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2016_Ecuador_earthquake 
- or more specifically under the Mapping Events section (i.e. 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2016_Ecuador_earthquake#Mapping_Events) 



This will both help people find your event, but also help the 
coordinators know when there will be events, validators to know when 
to expect high volumes of new data/mappers, etc.


Happy Mapping! (and wiki-editing :)

=Russ



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[HOT] Mapathons for Ecuador

[Russell Deffner]

Greetings everyone,

 

You can help us coordinate this response!  The easiest way is to help us
capture 'dynamic' information, such as news reports; but more importantly -
Mapathons.  We typically capture this information on an event wiki-page, and
we are currently getting this one a bit more organized. Right now the wiki
is in both English and Spanish, and both versions are being updated by the
teams in their respective languages - so yes, they are different at the
moment.  So whichever language you are more comfortable with, please add
your mapathon and news stories, etc. here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2016_Ecuador_earthquake - or more
specifically under the Mapping Events section (i.e.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2016_Ecuador_earthquake#Mapping_Events) 

 

This will both help people find your event, but also help the coordinators
know when there will be events, validators to know when to expect high
volumes of new data/mappers, etc. 

 

Happy Mapping! (and wiki-editing :)

=Russ

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Re: [HOT] Maps.Me in Tanzania

[Blake Girardot]

Hi Janet,

I also forwarded your email to Illya, one of the maps.me developers.

But Joost's email just reminded me that we are in the process of 
creating a maps.me export for our HOT Export Tool that would allow you 
to get an up to the minute set of data for maps.me anytime you want, so 
you could literally map today, and be using the data you entered later 
that evening in maps.me.


I ran out of time, but I also spoke a little bit to Illya about how we 
might help add to the their existing data editing model to better 
support humanitarian mapping.


maps.me as a company is a great supporter of humanitarian mapping and 
they often contact HOT to discuss ways they can support our work in 
their tools (the HOT export tool support being one very concrete 
example, open sourcing their product is another) so I am sure we can 
make progress to make the app even more useful in the contexts we 
generally work.


Cheers,
Blake

On 4/20/2016 2:45 PM, joost schouppe wrote:

Hi Janet,

While I know it is possible to do such things with those apps, I
wouldn't know how. But it helps asking around. Or posting on their issue
trackers as suggested.

Same goes for querying data provided by Osmand and maps.me
 editors. Must be possible, but not trivial. I think the
best way would be to create an rss feed of relevant changesets (hard) ,
loading those in an online spreadsheet (easy) , and marking them as
checked when you had a look (very easy).

I think my friends in Bolivia would like to have such a thing too.

Joost

Op 20-apr.-2016 11:05 schreef >:

Dear Joost

Thanks very much for that.  It would be fantastic to create an
African or even Swahili Maps.me with relevant tags, as I think this
is definitely a great way to get people on the ground mapping.

I'm currently writing this on my phone on a bus in Kakonko,  and
can't check out the links yet,  but do you know if there is a way in
osm to bring up all the points in an area that have been added via
Maps.me as often you're mapping onto a blank page so points are
unlikely to correspond exactly to a building,  but could be
corrected in osm with reference to the satellite image..

Thanks
Janet


From: joost schouppe
Sent: Wednesday 20 April 09:45
Subject: Re: [HOT] Maps.Me in Tanzania
To: j.chap...@tanzdevtrust.org 

Hi,

Their help section does not state an exact update frequency [1], but
it seems to be somewhere between a couple of times a year and every
few weeks. However, on this page, you can see the creation date of
the file being pushed now [2] (25th of March right now).

They have gone open source with the code [3], so theoretically it
should be possible to make a Maps.me with African presets.

Of course, if you need full flexibility, Osmand is probably better
out of the box.

Considering the risk of making duplicate entries: in case of doubt,
always make a note instead of a POI. But even with updated maps, I'm
seeing a lot of duplicate entries by newbie mappers with maps.me
. I don't really mind, as they seem to be bending
the curve [4] of the OSM-world in general.

1: http://maps.me/en/help#mapdata

2: http://direct.mapswithme.com/direct/latest/

3: https://github.com/mapsme

4: https://twitter.com/osm_be/status/722101255779323904



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[HOT] Data quality in Ecuador

[john whelan]

The good news is it’s a lot better than Nepal was.  I think most of that’s
down to better training guides so well done training.

In Nepal we saw a lot of tiles marked done or validated when there was
still a lot to do.  So in Ecuador if there are more than two or three
buildings missing I’ve been invalidating the tile.  In JOSM if you search
for buildings they highlight and it makes it easier to spot the missing
ones.  Some tiles have been invalidated three times.  The tiles are still
being mapped faster than I can validate them even though for the most part
I’ve been ignoring the JOSM validation warnings.  I’ve been concentrating
on the pink zones.

I’ve been briefed that it only takes five clicks to map a building in iD,
the four corners then “s” for square.  I suspect it also needs a tag for
the area, so say six clicks.  With JOSM building_tool plugin it takes three
clicks of the mouse, so if you’re mapping for more than an hour allowing
fifteen minutes to install JOSM and configure it you’ll get more buildings
out of the mappers.  The only thing I care about is the quality is higher.

I’ve seen less than a hundred area=yes rather than building=yes, this is a
vast improvement.  Trouble is it takes time to go and inspect them just in
case it isn’t a building.

I’ve seen maybe a hundred double mapped buildings.  Again because I haven’t
taken the time go through the crossing building warnings there maybe more
in there.

I’ve seen one or two mappers map but not tag.  These need going through
with the todo tool in JOSM to work out the tags which takes time.

A big problem has been highways, not touching or crossing.  Also in Africa
we have the wiki for guidance use highway=path rather than footway but I’m
unaware of anything for Ecuador.  My suggestion would be split the projects
into buildings and a separate projects for highways.  Highways need a
higher level of skill or different training.  MSF have used this approach
successfully.

Squared buildings? What can I say many aren’t.  I’ve also seen several
hundred mapped as building=house rather than building=yes.  JOSM
building_tool takes this decision away from mappers.

I haven’t gone over each building.  Sounds an odd thing to say but I’ve
seen several mappers grouping buildings together and tagging them
building=yes.

Larger buildings that look industrial often seem to be overlooked.  If
people were working in there at the time of the earthquake they are of
interest and looking at damage again I suspect they are of interest.

So thanks to those mappers who have been giving TLC to buildings, I think
we’re doing reasonably well but if you have JOSM and can recognise a
missing building please invalidate a few tiles.

Cheerio John
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Re: [HOT] Data quality in Ecuador

[john whelan]

Whilst I'm writing I should mention that a mixture of metal roofs, slight
over exposure and slight fuzziness means its sometimes hard to precisely
pick out the buildings although I have noticed my 1920 x 1080 monitor in
the basement shows a much better image quality than one of the laptops I
have lying around.

Cheerio John

On 20 April 2016 at 07:44, john whelan  wrote:

> The good news is it’s a lot better than Nepal was.  I think most of that’s
> down to better training guides so well done training.
>
> In Nepal we saw a lot of tiles marked done or validated when there was
> still a lot to do.  So in Ecuador if there are more than two or three
> buildings missing I’ve been invalidating the tile.  In JOSM if you search
> for buildings they highlight and it makes it easier to spot the missing
> ones.  Some tiles have been invalidated three times.  The tiles are still
> being mapped faster than I can validate them even though for the most part
> I’ve been ignoring the JOSM validation warnings.  I’ve been concentrating
> on the pink zones.
>
> I’ve been briefed that it only takes five clicks to map a building in iD,
> the four corners then “s” for square.  I suspect it also needs a tag for
> the area, so say six clicks.  With JOSM building_tool plugin it takes three
> clicks of the mouse, so if you’re mapping for more than an hour allowing
> fifteen minutes to install JOSM and configure it you’ll get more buildings
> out of the mappers.  The only thing I care about is the quality is higher.
>
> I’ve seen less than a hundred area=yes rather than building=yes, this is a
> vast improvement.  Trouble is it takes time to go and inspect them just in
> case it isn’t a building.
>
> I’ve seen maybe a hundred double mapped buildings.  Again because I
> haven’t taken the time go through the crossing building warnings there
> maybe more in there.
>
> I’ve seen one or two mappers map but not tag.  These need going through
> with the todo tool in JOSM to work out the tags which takes time.
>
> A big problem has been highways, not touching or crossing.  Also in Africa
> we have the wiki for guidance use highway=path rather than footway but I’m
> unaware of anything for Ecuador.  My suggestion would be split the projects
> into buildings and a separate projects for highways.  Highways need a
> higher level of skill or different training.  MSF have used this approach
> successfully.
>
> Squared buildings? What can I say many aren’t.  I’ve also seen several
> hundred mapped as building=house rather than building=yes.  JOSM
> building_tool takes this decision away from mappers.
>
> I haven’t gone over each building.  Sounds an odd thing to say but I’ve
> seen several mappers grouping buildings together and tagging them
> building=yes.
>
> Larger buildings that look industrial often seem to be overlooked.  If
> people were working in there at the time of the earthquake they are of
> interest and looking at damage again I suspect they are of interest.
>
> So thanks to those mappers who have been giving TLC to buildings, I think
> we’re doing reasonably well but if you have JOSM and can recognise a
> missing building please invalidate a few tiles.
>
> Cheerio John
>
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[HOT] FW: [Geo4All] humanitarian mapathons for Japan and Ecuador

[Suchith Anand]

From: GeoForAll [geoforall-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Marco Minghini 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 4:41 PM
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Cc: Cristiano Giovando; Tyler Radford
Subject: [Geo4All] humanitarian mapathons for Japan and Ecuador

Dear all,

following the terrible earthquakes that have hit Japan and Ecuador, tomorrow we 
will have a mapathon here at GEOlab - Politecnico di Milano to assist HOT and 
the humanitarian organizations facing the post-event operations.

If anyone wants to join the mapathon from remote (or simply would like to help 
in mapping but has no experience on how to do that), please contact me.

All the best,

Marco

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[HOT] mapathon at GEOlab

[Marco Minghini]

Dear all,
the GEOlab (Geomatics and Earth Observation laboratory) of Politecnico di
Milano is hosting a mapathon today to contribute to the mapping efforts
after the earthquakes in Japan and Ecuador. Details here [1].
All the best,

Marco

[1] http://geolab.como.polimi.it/?page_id=2150

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Re: [HOT] Maps.Me in Tanzania

[Imre Samu]

They have a github dev page [ https://github.com/mapsme/omim ]
and probably you can create an issue [ https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues
]

from their github page:
"Feedback: Please report bugs and suggestions to the issue tracker, or by
mail to b...@maps.me."

2016-04-20 5:38 GMT+02:00 :

> Impressed with the updated Maps.me and the ability to add points to osm.
> However concerned about duplicate entries, and the list of categories.
> Does anyone know how often the map of Tanzania is updated in Maps.me and if
> there's any way of amending the category list to make it more relevant to
> rural Tanzania?  Thanks, Janet
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