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Re: [HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

[Arun Ganesh]

Hi Kate,
The open data community has collected shared notes and responses to the
bill here:
https://datameet.hackpad.com/The-Geospatial-Information-Regulation-Bill-2016-zJwgcQaIvBq

The idea is definitely to respond with a better alternative. No comment has
been made to the Government so far.

Arun



On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 11:45 PM, Kate Chapman  wrote:

> Hey Sajjad,
>
> Have you also sent comments directly to the government? You said you were
> collecting responses, is that in form other than "this is bad". I am no
> expert on India but some of my other contacts on my trip this week have
> said they are looking for ways to make suggestions of a better approach (I
> am not sure what this would be).
>
> Best,
>
> Kate
> On May 13, 2016 8:58 AM, "Sajjad Anwar"  wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> Ralph - thanks for bringing this here. A few of us have started a
>> campaign and collecting responses to the ministry to reduce the scope
>> of this bill. You can follow the conversations on
>> http://savethemap.in/
>>
>> The bill in it's current state is very unlikely to get approved. Will
>> keep you posted.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sajjad
>> (https://twitter.com/geohacker)
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Carissa Brittain
>>  wrote:
>> > The article in Geospatial World
>> > (http://geospatialworld.net/Professional/ViewBlog.aspx?id=477) has a
>> link to
>> > the May 5 draft of the bill
>> > (
>> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
>> )
>> > but it doesn't seem to be complete.
>> >
>> > Techdirt's article
>> > (
>> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160509/09563834390/indias-proposed-geospatial-information-regulation-bill-would-shut-down-most-map-based-services-there.shtml
>> )
>> > seems to have a more complete version:
>> >
>> http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/GeospatialBill_05052016_eve.pdf
>> >
>> > 'Carissa Brittain
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Ralph Aytoun <
>> ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> An item for discussion.
>> >> This particular scenario existed when I was working for Philip’s and we
>> >> had to send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any map of
>> India
>> >> that we would include in any of our atlases. It appears that India is
>> going
>> >> to roll this out further.
>> >>
>> >> Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in the
>> event
>> >> of a natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Ralph Aytoun
>> >>
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Re: [HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

[Kate Chapman]

Hey Sajjad,

Have you also sent comments directly to the government? You said you were
collecting responses, is that in form other than "this is bad". I am no
expert on India but some of my other contacts on my trip this week have
said they are looking for ways to make suggestions of a better approach (I
am not sure what this would be).

Best,

Kate
On May 13, 2016 8:58 AM, "Sajjad Anwar"  wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> Ralph - thanks for bringing this here. A few of us have started a
> campaign and collecting responses to the ministry to reduce the scope
> of this bill. You can follow the conversations on
> http://savethemap.in/
>
> The bill in it's current state is very unlikely to get approved. Will
> keep you posted.
>
> Cheers,
> Sajjad
> (https://twitter.com/geohacker)
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Carissa Brittain
>  wrote:
> > The article in Geospatial World
> > (http://geospatialworld.net/Professional/ViewBlog.aspx?id=477) has a
> link to
> > the May 5 draft of the bill
> > (
> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
> )
> > but it doesn't seem to be complete.
> >
> > Techdirt's article
> > (
> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160509/09563834390/indias-proposed-geospatial-information-regulation-bill-would-shut-down-most-map-based-services-there.shtml
> )
> > seems to have a more complete version:
> >
> http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/GeospatialBill_05052016_eve.pdf
> >
> > 'Carissa Brittain
> >
> > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Ralph Aytoun  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> An item for discussion.
> >> This particular scenario existed when I was working for Philip’s and we
> >> had to send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any map of
> India
> >> that we would include in any of our atlases. It appears that India is
> going
> >> to roll this out further.
> >>
> >> Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in the event
> >> of a natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.
> >>
> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Ralph Aytoun
> >>
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[HOT] Fwd: OSM Upload slowness - what's going on?

[Blake Girardot]

I thought this might be of interest to everyone.

Cheers,
Blake

-- Forwarded message --
From: Grant Slater 
Date: Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upload slowness - what's going on?
To: Tim Waters 
Cc: "osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org" 


Hi All,

On Monday 9th May 2016 the master OSM database server was moved to
York (Bytemark) from London (Imperial).
This was to avoid multiple upcoming weekends of planned power testing
& maintenance at the Imperial data centre. For the last few years
Imperial has housed all our main critical systems including master &
slave DB servers and frontend & backend web/api servers. We also added
4 new frontend/backend web/api server to York on Monday.

We now have the master database server in York and the secondary
database server in Imperial. We also have a warm standby slave db in
AWS Ireland. A fourth SSD (NVMe) based DB server was delivered
yesterday (Thursday), but it needs testing (burn-in, reliability,
performance etc) before we can start using it. Slave DB servers can be
promoted to master if required.

The slave db servers serve Web/API read traffic and writes go to the
master. When the frontend + backend servers were in the same data
centre as the master db server the latency was <1ms. We now run a VPN
to connect the servers up and the latency is ~8ms Imperial to
Bytemark. Currently we are using the frontend & backends server at
Imperial (closest to slave db read server) and sending writes over the
VPN to Bytemark. The extra 8ms roundtrip is triggered multiple times
based on the size of the upload changeset, this is the root cause for
the slower uploads. The link between Imperial & Bytemark can handle
gigabit speeds. Over the last few days we've been tweaking the VPN
settings to get optimal latency & throughput over the links.

Over today (for at least the weekend) we are switching to the new
frontend & backend servers in York (Bytemark). London Imperial will be
offline from approximately 5pm (GMT+1) for the first weekend of power
maintenance.

In summary: The slow uploads are a known issue and we'll fix as soon
as practical. Our main concern has been setting up multiple data
center redundancy to avoid extended downtime.

Here is the list of all core hardware and hosting locations:
https://hardware.openstreetmap.org/

Hope that answers the questions. ;-)

Photos or it didn't happen:
* Syncing & powering down before we start London -> York DB move:
https://twitter.com/OSM_Tech/status/729582996685213696
* Staged photo of racking up the master DB server at Bytemark:
https://twitter.com/OSM_Tech/status/729693392737832961
* Testing the new Frontend / Backend servers a week ago:
https://twitter.com/OSM_Tech/status/728286193696292865

Bytemark are a fantastic hosting company and their ongoing support of
the OpenStreetMap project is highly commendable. Please support them
;-) https://twitter.com/bytemark/status/729698435339853824

Kind regards,

Grant
Part of the OSM Ops team.

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Re: [HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

[Komяpa]

We've got something similar in Belarus, leftover from USSR times.

For long time local mapping agencies tried to exploit that, which led to
"there are no maps of Belarus in digital form available", which led to OSM
being extremely popular here (maps.me, Galileo, OsmAnd are all made in
Belarus, because of that reason).

In principle any map of Belarus (even if you've drawn it yourself just a
second ago) is copyrighted by Belcartography, and they can sue you using
local copyright-based laws.

For now the law is not used - people have to get license to have a "map",
but it's alright to have "scheme not to scale" even if it happens to be to
scale.

пт, 13 мая 2016 г. в 12:11, Katja Ulbert :

> Hi Sajjad,
>
> I have been following the discussion around this bill, thanks for
> campaigning! As Robert said, if there is any we can do as HOT community
> other than supporting on social media don´t hesitate to ask.
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Katja
> On 13/05/16 05:54, Robert Banick wrote:
>
> Hey Sajjad —
>
> Thanks for the update. Let us know if there’s anything the global HOT
> community can do to realistically support your campaign.
>
> Robert
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 9:13 AM Sajjad Anwar < m...@sajjad.in>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> Ralph - thanks for bringing this here. A few of us have started a
>> campaign and collecting responses to the ministry to reduce the scope
>> of this bill. You can follow the conversations on
>> http://savethemap.in/
>>
>> The bill in it's current state is very unlikely to get approved. Will
>> keep you posted.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sajjad
>> (https://twitter.com/geohacker)
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Carissa Brittain
>>  wrote:
>> > The article in Geospatial World
>> > (http://geospatialworld.net/Professional/ViewBlog.aspx?id=477) has a
>> link to
>> > the May 5 draft of the bill
>> > (
>> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
>> )
>> > but it doesn't seem to be complete.
>> >
>> > Techdirt's article
>> > (
>> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160509/09563834390/indias-proposed-geospatial-information-regulation-bill-would-shut-down-most-map-based-services-there.shtml
>> )
>> > seems to have a more complete version:
>> >
>> http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/GeospatialBill_05052016_eve.pdf
>> >
>> > 'Carissa Brittain
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Ralph Aytoun <
>> ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> An item for discussion.
>> >> This particular scenario existed when I was working for Philip’s and we
>> >> had to send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any map of
>> India
>> >> that we would include in any of our atlases. It appears that India is
>> going
>> >> to roll this out further.
>> >>
>> >> Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in the
>> event
>> >> of a natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Ralph Aytoun
>> >>
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Re: [HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

[Katja Ulbert]

Hi Sajjad,

I have been following the discussion around this bill, thanks for 
campaigning! As Robert said, if there is any we can do as HOT community 
other than supporting on social media don´t hesitate to ask.


Keep up the good work!

Katja

On 13/05/16 05:54, Robert Banick wrote:

Hey Sajjad —

Thanks for the update. Let us know if there’s anything the global HOT 
community can do to realistically support your campaign.


Robert

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 9:13 AM Sajjad Anwar > wrote:


Hey everyone,

Ralph - thanks for bringing this here. A few of us have started a
campaign and collecting responses to the ministry to reduce the scope
of this bill. You can follow the conversations on
http://savethemap.in/

The bill in it's current state is very unlikely to get approved. Will
keep you posted.

Cheers,
Sajjad
(https://twitter.com/geohacker)

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Carissa Brittain
mailto:carissa.britt...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
> The article in Geospatial World
> (http://geospatialworld.net/Professional/ViewBlog.aspx?id=477)
has a link to
> the May 5 draft of the bill
>

(http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf)
> but it doesn't seem to be complete.
>
> Techdirt's article
>

(https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160509/09563834390/indias-proposed-geospatial-information-regulation-bill-would-shut-down-most-map-based-services-there.shtml)
> seems to have a more complete version:
>

http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/GeospatialBill_05052016_eve.pdf
>
> 'Carissa Brittain
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Ralph Aytoun
mailto:ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com>>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> An item for discussion.
>> This particular scenario existed when I was working for
Philip’s and we
>> had to send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any
map of India
>> that we would include in any of our atlases. It appears that
India is going
>> to roll this out further.
>>
>> Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in
the event
>> of a natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ralph Aytoun
>>
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