[HOT] Activation Work Group Meeting | 5th October 2016

[Mhairi O'Hara]

Hello HOTties,

The Activation WG meeting is set for 1430 UTC this Wednesday (5th October
2016) on IRC Chat [1], where we get together and discuss items related to
activating on behalf of HOT.

A lot of great items were discussed during the HOT Summit a couple weeks
ago and it would be great to continue them during the WG meeting to gain
traction and get them moving.

Similarly if you want to get involved and support the Activation for
Hurricane Matthew, or already are, we would like to hear more about it and
see where we can help, so please join the WG meeting!

The agenda for the meeting can be found on the Activation WG Trello board
[2]. Please add any other items you would like to see covered in the
meeting.

Kind regards,

Mhairi

[1] https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot
[2] https://trello.com/b/ogU4Wjd6/hot-activation-wg


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[HOT] HOT Activating for #HurricaneMatthew

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Dear HOT Community,

It looks like Hurricane Matthew is going to have significant impacts
across a wide area of Haiti and Jamaica both and affect over 1 million
people.

OSM data is already being requested for Haiti and Milo has been
leading the efforts to fill in map data on Jamaica.

Because of those factors, HOT is going to activate and generate
updated OSM data.

Please visit http://tasks.hotosm.org/ for the latest #HurricaneMatthew
projects and please spread the word we need mappers to contribute.

Initial Tweet to retweet please:
https://twitter.com/hotosm/status/782645326113042432

Anyone wishing to help with the activation or discuss with the
activation coordinators (currently Dale Kunce) should join the HOT
Slack team: https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/  (slack is just web
based, persistent text chat)

Regards,
Blake


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[HOT] Improving data quality of Maperthons

[john whelan]

I think we have to accept that maperthon mappers will not map an exact
number of tiles.

Whether that is half a tile, two and quarter tiles it doesn’t matter.  We
still need to catch the errors they make and if they are spread out over a
project on tiles that are not marked done they are difficult to find.

One very simple improvement is to ask them to map a block, say at the top
left hand corner.  This makes it much easier for someone with JOSM to slurp
the area in, grab a tile then pull in the surrounding area and run JOSM
validation on the area.

This picks up the crossing ways, the highways that almost meet, the
area=yes that have been left without further tags, highways=road and the
untagged ways.  It’s not perfect validation but it hits some of the major
errors that keep the mapping from being useful.

Ideally after 30 minutes ask people to upload or save, then grab with
JOSM.  You’ll need the mappers to write on a bit of paper what their OSM
name is to provide feedback but immediate feedback can be helpful to the
mapper and for data quality reasons.

Even if you don’t have JOSM or know how to use it, it helps a validator or
even what I call a heavy mapper who doesn’t think of themselves as a
validator but often will come in and complete a partially mapped tile
making some corrections as they go.  Thoughts?

Thanks John
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Re: [HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic tutorial?

[john whelan]

These are exceptionally good, however I missed any reference to View,
Toggle dialogs panel, which is important as if you hit the tab key all the
menus disappear and you have to know to hit the tab again to get them
back.  It's probably mentioned and I missed it but it might be worthwhile
checking as it can be frustrating to lose the menus.

Cheerio John

On 2 October 2016 at 09:02, Yantisa Akhadi 
wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> Here are the JOSM tutorial that our team used in training:
>
>- Chapter 4: Getting started with JOSM
>
> 
>- Chapter 5: Editing with JOSM
>
>
> It is part of Data Collection using OSM training materials. Feedback is
> welcome.
>
> Best,
>
> *Yantisa Akhadi (Iyan)*
> *Project Manager for Indonesia*
> *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team*
> Tel: +62 81 5787 03388  Email: yant...@hotosm.org
> hotosm.org | openstreetmap.id
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 3:19 AM, john whelan  wrote:
>
>> So how to install,  how to add remote control and building_tool plugin,
>> how to map a square building, a highway and a landuse=residential.  How to
>> select Bing imagery.
>>
>> How to toggle the screen ie use the tab key when you lose the stuff on
>> the right.
>>
>> And finally how to upload.  So setting the token.
>>
>> Yes I know about learnOSM but I have a fairly keen mapper who has been
>> told that JOSM is too complex which is fine except I have to clean up after
>> them with the crossing ways and highways nearly meeting when they are quite
>> capable of doing it themselves and I want something basic not how to map a
>> relationship because that is not what most of the HOT stuff is.
>>
>> Thanks John
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Re: [HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic tutorial?

[Yantisa Akhadi]

Hello John,

Here are the JOSM tutorial that our team used in training:

   - Chapter 4: Getting started with JOSM
   

   - Chapter 5: Editing with JOSM
   

It is part of Data Collection using OSM training materials. Feedback is
welcome.

Best,

*Yantisa Akhadi (Iyan)*
*Project Manager for Indonesia*
*Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team*
Tel: +62 81 5787 03388  Email: yant...@hotosm.org
hotosm.org | openstreetmap.id

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 3:19 AM, john whelan  wrote:

> So how to install,  how to add remote control and building_tool plugin,
> how to map a square building, a highway and a landuse=residential.  How to
> select Bing imagery.
>
> How to toggle the screen ie use the tab key when you lose the stuff on the
> right.
>
> And finally how to upload.  So setting the token.
>
> Yes I know about learnOSM but I have a fairly keen mapper who has been
> told that JOSM is too complex which is fine except I have to clean up after
> them with the crossing ways and highways nearly meeting when they are quite
> capable of doing it themselves and I want something basic not how to map a
> relationship because that is not what most of the HOT stuff is.
>
> Thanks John
>
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Re: [HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic tutorial?

[john whelan]

Perhaps another question might simply be how would you use them and what is
the advantage of just adding tags? Do I assume you draw a way and instead
of tagging it conventionally you go the the preset menu, select the
appropriate preset which then applies the tags?  Seems slower to me with
more steps.

Thanks John

On 2 October 2016 at 08:28, john whelan  wrote:

> Strangely enough I've never used JOSM presets, what is the advantage?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 2 October 2016 at 08:16, yo paseopor  wrote:
>
>> Also there is a HOT preset (you can activate it in Preferences > Presets
>> for JOSM.
>>
>> yopaseopor
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Re: [HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic tutorial?

[john whelan]

Strangely enough I've never used JOSM presets, what is the advantage?

Thanks John

On 2 October 2016 at 08:16, yo paseopor  wrote:

> Also there is a HOT preset (you can activate it in Preferences > Presets
> for JOSM.
>
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Re: [HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic tutorial?

[yo paseopor]

Also there is a HOT preset (you can activate it in Preferences > Presets
for JOSM.

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Re: [HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic, tutorial?

[john whelan]

The French tutorial is actually very useful.  I'm working in the odd
corners of Africa at the moment.  The mappers come from all over the world
often working in maperthons.

I think my hang up is data quality so I mainly do validation these days.  I
think in the last week I've tagged over a hundred untagged ways or
area=yes, I wouldn't like to say how many highway=road I've retagged in the
last week but its in the hundreds.  Highway=road unfortunately is the tag
given to GPS tracks that have been converted into a highway where the
person who does the conversion doesn't know if there are steps in a
footpath or if its a motorway.  As a result many of routing programs will
ignore them.

Another problem is new mappers not completing a tile then other new mappers
coming along behind and copying the first mappers mistakes.  Because the
tile hasn't been completed even if there is a validator on the project it
doesn't get validated or corrected so the problems get compounded.

Actually another problem I'm seeing is all the highways within a
landuse=residential being tagged highway=residential.  Fine until you
realise that the routing software will try to avoid routing traffic down
backstreets and suddenly there is no routable path across the town.

So in some parts of the map perhaps 30% or more of the work is ignored
until its retagged and that's what I'm trying to avoid by finding ways to
make JOSM easier to use.

Blake's videos are great but unfortunately he speaks with an American
accent.  I find it fairly easy to understand but there are people in the
world whose first language is English who will have to rewind once or twice
to catch the words.  Accents are regional, believe it or not some people
even have problems with my English accent.  Looking at the mappers I'm
validating the ones with the most problems are those who use English as a
second language or even just Bing / Google translate it.  The French
tutorial is much more useful for them as they can cut and paste it into
Google or Bing translate.

On a side note I'm handholding a Statistics Canada project at the moment so
any French documentation is very useful to feed back to them.  The project
is about adding data to OpenStreetMap then doing some stats on the result.
The cultures at Stats and OSM are very different but its coming along quite
nicely albeit a little slower than their project manager would like.

Cheerio John

On 2 October 2016 at 04:50, Martin Noblecourt 
wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> We also have similar tutorial in French (I know, not very helpful here,
> would it be relevant to translate it?):
>
> http://blog.cartong.org/2014/07/24/tuto-digitaliser-sous-
> openstreetmap-avec-le-tasking-manager-et-josm-premiers-pas/
>
> Else the video Blake sent is the best we have I think.
>
> Best
>
> Martin
>
> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 06:47:42 +0200
> From: Blake Girardot  
> To: john whelan  
> Cc: "hot@openstreetmap.org"   
> 
> Subject: Re: [HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic
>   tutorial?
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> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi John,
>
> Far from perfect, but I believe the "JOSM for iD Users" youtube vids
> covers most of that (might need one on imagery use in JOSM, hopefully
> it comes across though):
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL54o5PaKgnbKU-vXe11cSmmsxIYnL5oDU
>
> Feedback from your friend welcome.
>
> Regards,
> Blake
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 3:19 AM, john whelan  
>  wrote:
>
> > So how to install,  how to add remote control and building_tool plugin, 
> > how> to map a square building, a highway and a landuse=residential.  How 
> > to> select Bing imagery.>> How to toggle the screen ie use the tab key when 
> > you lose the stuff on the> right.>> And finally how to upload.  So setting 
> > the token.>> Yes I know about learnOSM but I have a fairly keen mapper who 
> > has been told> that JOSM is too complex which is fine except I have to 
> > clean up after them> with the crossing ways and highways nearly meeting 
> > when they are quite> capable of doing it themselves and I want something 
> > basic not how to map a> relationship because that is not what most of the 
> > HOT stuff is.>> Thanks John>> 
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Re: [HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic, tutorial?

[Martin Noblecourt]

Hi John,

We also have similar tutorial in French (I know, not very helpful here, 
would it be relevant to translate it?):


http://blog.cartong.org/2014/07/24/tuto-digitaliser-sous-openstreetmap-avec-le-tasking-manager-et-josm-premiers-pas/ 



Else the video Blake sent is the best we have I think.

Best

Martin


Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 06:47:42 +0200
From: Blake Girardot
To: john whelan
Cc:"hot@openstreetmap.org"  
Subject: Re: [HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic
tutorial?
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Hi John,

Far from perfect, but I believe the "JOSM for iD Users" youtube vids
covers most of that (might need one on imagery use in JOSM, hopefully
it comes across though):

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL54o5PaKgnbKU-vXe11cSmmsxIYnL5oDU

Feedback from your friend welcome.

Regards,
Blake

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 3:19 AM, john whelan  wrote:

>So how to install,  how to add remote control and building_tool plugin, how
>to map a square building, a highway and a landuse=residential.  How to
>select Bing imagery.
>
>How to toggle the screen ie use the tab key when you lose the stuff on the
>right.
>
>And finally how to upload.  So setting the token.
>
>Yes I know about learnOSM but I have a fairly keen mapper who has been told
>that JOSM is too complex which is fine except I have to clean up after them
>with the crossing ways and highways nearly meeting when they are quite
>capable of doing it themselves and I want something basic not how to map a
>relationship because that is not what most of the HOT stuff is.
>
>Thanks John
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