Re: [HOT] High priority MSF task

2016-02-10 Thread Barbara Figge 

Dear Pete,
I just tried a look at this task but couldn't find it (it is linked to
OSM Manager, but there are no squares available... Do I miss something
or what is happening?
Thanks and best regards,
Barbara

Am 10.02.2016 um 14:57 schrieb Pete Masters:

Hi all, how are you?

I have a fairly urgent task up on the TM for South Sudan. The MSF
emergency team are heading to the villages included in the task over
the next few days (starting tomorrow) to do health and nutrition
assessments. They have requested a rapid mapping of four villages (one
of which has already existing data) for household counts and
population estimates (so only buildings needed).

The task is at http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1483

The imagery is for the most part pretty good, but as always with South
Sudan, the buildings are strange shapes if you haven't mapped them before.

If any of you have time for this, it would be much appreciated. I have
deprioritised the other MSF / Missing Maps tasks I manage while this
is ongoing.

Many thanks to you all,

Pete

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Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018

2015-05-11 Thread Barbara Figge 

Hello everyone!

As promided I continued mapping buildings today. I just right now wanted to save the changes (nearly 200 buildings, now I know why one should do it earlier...) and get a message You are just to delete 466 elements, are you sure? Surely I not want to delete these ones but also I want to save my 200 buildings... Sonmeone here who knows what I did or what I can do now? Its again task 1018, #2777.

Thank your very much and greetings!

Barbara



Gesendet:Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 18:22 Uhr
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An:john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
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Thanks for the words and information, so I will continue mapping buildings!

Greetings,

Barbara



Gesendet:Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 18:08 Uhr
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An:Barbara Figge bfi...@web.de
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Pierre says it best but my thoughts follow.


To me the unsquared buildings are not a major issue in Nepal. Within a tile a JOSM user can select buildings, then select an unsquared one remember the user select buildings once more then square all the buildings for that user in one keystroke.


As a beginner I suggest you dont correct odd areas, let someone else do the dirty deed, it saves having upset users and sometimes its just a matter of someone forgetting to tag it and often an experienced mapper can glance at it and give it a tag.


Paths and tracks unless its very clear I stay away from these in Nepal and Im fairly experienced. There are a number of terraces, the land can be quite steep so even though two ends of a path may look close together reality is its a long drop between the two.


For the moment Id just add buildings, if you can manage to use JOSM and the building_tool plugin, youll need the remote control plugin as well youll find its very easy to use and produces squared buildings correctly tagged and we have a lot of buildings to add.


Cheerio John



On 9 May 2015 at 11:12, Barbara Figge bfi...@web.de wrote:





Hi to everyone,

I am one of the beginners of the last weeks, since last friday I mapped - mostly buildings (and mostly unsquared, I am one of them, too), tried some paths. I try to read the mailing list notes in between, I started with the mapgive things before first mapping, I read the instructions before starting, I did not validate and though these mistakes happened. But I am learning a lot.

Currently I am a little irritated about all the mistakes one can make and so I made up my mind not to stop mapping, but to stay on the safe side of the street: mapping buildings, and after I noticed the importance of buildings being squared, squaring my and the buildings of others.

Now there are some questions left: in the tile I worked in there are some areas without description (and no bulding or something else to see)- shall I delete them or do they have a special reason I overread in the mailing list conversation?

There are a lot of mapped buildings, where the symbol is some meters away from the building. Shall I correct or is it okay?

And: is there a possibility to go back to a tile I worked on by searching the number or must I search inside the map?

Best wishes and: as far as I can see from my small desk, a lot of people are doing great work!

Barbara

barbaraulrike in osm



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An:Pierre Bland pierz...@yahoo.fr
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I think Im moderately experienced in mapping. In West Africa Im very comfortable validating, in Nepal Im happy I know what a building looks like but paths, streams etc Im not so comfortable with, there is a lot of distracting detail on the images. Do I validate and clean up the building and tag side? Or just add a few more buildings?


Thoughts?


Thanks John



On 9 May 2015 at 08:27, Pierre Bland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:




We have to adapt to an awesome contribution with this Nepal emergency. We need more people. At the same time, we need to adapt in various ways to crowdsourcing as we see various problems arizing.



I also opened a ticket. This would be for the validators to prioritize validating first for the less experienced. A checkbox could let show only tiles selected by less experienced contributors.

https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599




regard



Pierre 





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Objet: Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018








Hi all,

I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of unvalidating tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There is no offense I hope, everyone has been a beginner once

Re: [HOT] Again task 1088

2015-05-11 Thread Barbara Figge 

Oh. Could you just give me a hint or a link to see how I can do it?

Thanks

Barbara



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An:hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org
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Barbara,



Did you adjust your imagery offset? Inside of moving everything, you should move the image before tracing new objects.




Pierre 





De: Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com
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Envoy le : Lundi 11 mai 2015 16h17
Objet: Re: [HOT] Again task 1088


If you have the time, my personal view would be to do the corrections
AND complete the tile. If not, locating new communities should take
priority.

Tom Taylor
TomT5454

On 11/05/2015 3:54 PM, Barbara Figge wrote:
 Good evening to everybody!
 Its me again and it is again tile 2777 which gives me always new
 queries... This tile in my eyes is nearly ready but: in the past
 buildings werent mapped correct: not squared and a lot of buildings
 slipped away just some meters. Some of them are clustered too. Some of
 them sit upon a street and so on. But: this is all situated inside a
 town, so my question is about priorities: shall I correct all this stuff
 (I can do, not the question) or shall I have a last view and afterwards
 mark it as finished for validating? And work on some ground where
 perhaps houses are not yet found?
 But on the other hand I wont leave #2777 alone because I suppose it
 is nearly ready and could become finished.
 As before thankful for your responses!
 Barbara



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Re: [HOT] Again task 1088

2015-05-11 Thread Barbara Figge 

Thanks to everyone, question is solved.

greetings,

Barbara



Gesendet:Montag, 11. Mai 2015 um 23:20 Uhr
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An:pierz...@yahoo.fr
Cc:hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org
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Oh. Could you just give me a hint or a link to see how I can do it?

Thanks

Barbara



Gesendet:Montag, 11. Mai 2015 um 23:06 Uhr
Von:Pierre Bland pierz...@yahoo.fr
An:hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org
Betreff:Re: [HOT] Again task 1088



Barbara,



Did you adjust your imagery offset? Inside of moving everything, you should move the image before tracing new objects.




Pierre 





De: Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com
: hot@openstreetmap.org
Envoy le : Lundi 11 mai 2015 16h17
Objet: Re: [HOT] Again task 1088


If you have the time, my personal view would be to do the corrections
AND complete the tile. If not, locating new communities should take
priority.

Tom Taylor
TomT5454

On 11/05/2015 3:54 PM, Barbara Figge wrote:
 Good evening to everybody!
 Its me again and it is again tile 2777 which gives me always new
 queries... This tile in my eyes is nearly ready but: in the past
 buildings werent mapped correct: not squared and a lot of buildings
 slipped away just some meters. Some of them are clustered too. Some of
 them sit upon a street and so on. But: this is all situated inside a
 town, so my question is about priorities: shall I correct all this stuff
 (I can do, not the question) or shall I have a last view and afterwards
 mark it as finished for validating? And work on some ground where
 perhaps houses are not yet found?
 But on the other hand I wont leave #2777 alone because I suppose it
 is nearly ready and could become finished.
 As before thankful for your responses!
 Barbara



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Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018

2015-05-09 Thread Barbara Figge 

Thanks for the words and information, so I will continue mapping buildings!

Greetings,

Barbara



Gesendet:Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 18:08 Uhr
Von:john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
An:Barbara Figge bfi...@web.de
Cc:Pierre Bland pierz...@yahoo.fr, hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org
Betreff:Re: Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018



Pierre says it best but my thoughts follow.


To me the unsquared buildings are not a major issue in Nepal. Within a tile a JOSM user can select buildings, then select an unsquared one remember the user select buildings once more then square all the buildings for that user in one keystroke.


As a beginner I suggest you dont correct odd areas, let someone else do the dirty deed, it saves having upset users and sometimes its just a matter of someone forgetting to tag it and often an experienced mapper can glance at it and give it a tag.


Paths and tracks unless its very clear I stay away from these in Nepal and Im fairly experienced. There are a number of terraces, the land can be quite steep so even though two ends of a path may look close together reality is its a long drop between the two.


For the moment Id just add buildings, if you can manage to use JOSM and the building_tool plugin, youll need the remote control plugin as well youll find its very easy to use and produces squared buildings correctly tagged and we have a lot of buildings to add.


Cheerio John



On 9 May 2015 at 11:12, Barbara Figge bfi...@web.de wrote:





Hi to everyone,

I am one of the beginners of the last weeks, since last friday I mapped - mostly buildings (and mostly unsquared, I am one of them, too), tried some paths. I try to read the mailing list notes in between, I started with the mapgive things before first mapping, I read the instructions before starting, I did not validate and though these mistakes happened. But I am learning a lot.

Currently I am a little irritated about all the mistakes one can make and so I made up my mind not to stop mapping, but to stay on the safe side of the street: mapping buildings, and after I noticed the importance of buildings being squared, squaring my and the buildings of others.

Now there are some questions left: in the tile I worked in there are some areas without description (and no bulding or something else to see)- shall I delete them or do they have a special reason I overread in the mailing list conversation?

There are a lot of mapped buildings, where the symbol is some meters away from the building. Shall I correct or is it okay?

And: is there a possibility to go back to a tile I worked on by searching the number or must I search inside the map?

Best wishes and: as far as I can see from my small desk, a lot of people are doing great work!

Barbara

barbaraulrike in osm



Gesendet:Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 15:11 Uhr
Von:john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
An:Pierre Bland pierz...@yahoo.fr
Cc:hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org
Betreff:Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018





I think Im moderately experienced in mapping. In West Africa Im very comfortable validating, in Nepal Im happy I know what a building looks like but paths, streams etc Im not so comfortable with, there is a lot of distracting detail on the images. Do I validate and clean up the building and tag side? Or just add a few more buildings?


Thoughts?


Thanks John



On 9 May 2015 at 08:27, Pierre Bland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:




We have to adapt to an awesome contribution with this Nepal emergency. We need more people. At the same time, we need to adapt in various ways to crowdsourcing as we see various problems arizing.



I also opened a ticket. This would be for the validators to prioritize validating first for the less experienced. A checkbox could let show only tiles selected by less experienced contributors.

https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599




regard



Pierre 





De: Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com
: Extra Paul paulok...@hotmail.com
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org
Envoy le : Samedi 9 mai 2015 7h49
Objet: Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018








Hi all,

I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of unvalidating tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There is no offense I hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and improving is part of the motivation with OSM, IMHO.
I just suggested this change in the asking Manager that should prevent in the future the fact that tiles are validated by beginners:

https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598, titled: Validate button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with JOSM.

I also hope iD will have in the future not only a building mapping tool, but also (as mappers may not use the building tool) an automatic proposition to square or round the shape that has just been traced as soon as a building tag is chosen (GitHub issue: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624).



The tools

Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018

2015-05-09 Thread Barbara Figge 

Hi to everyone,

I am one of the beginners of the last weeks, since last friday I mapped - mostly buildings (and mostly unsquared, I am one of them, too), tried some paths. I try to read the mailing list notes in between, I started with the mapgive things before first mapping, I read the instructions before starting, I did not validate and though these mistakes happened. But I am learning a lot.

Currently I am a little irritated about all the mistakes one can make and so I made up my mind not to stop mapping, but to stay on the safe side of the street: mapping buildings, and after I noticed the importance of buildings being squared, squaring my and the buildings of others.

Now there are some questions left: in the tile I worked in there are some areas without description (and no bulding or something else to see)- shall I delete them or do they have a special reason I overread in the mailing list conversation?

There are a lot of mapped buildings, where the symbol is some meters away from the building. Shall I correct or is it okay?

And: is there a possibility to go back to a tile I worked on by searching the number or must I search inside the map?

Best wishes and: as far as I can see from my small desk, a lot of people are doing great work!

Barbara

barbaraulrike in osm



Gesendet:Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 15:11 Uhr
Von:john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
An:Pierre Bland pierz...@yahoo.fr
Cc:hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org
Betreff:Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018



I think Im moderately experienced in mapping. In West Africa Im very comfortable validating, in Nepal Im happy I know what a building looks like but paths, streams etc Im not so comfortable with, there is a lot of distracting detail on the images. Do I validate and clean up the building and tag side? Or just add a few more buildings?


Thoughts?


Thanks John



On 9 May 2015 at 08:27, Pierre Bland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:




We have to adapt to an awesome contribution with this Nepal emergency. We need more people. At the same time, we need to adapt in various ways to crowdsourcing as we see various problems arizing.



I also opened a ticket. This would be for the validators to prioritize validating first for the less experienced. A checkbox could let show only tiles selected by less experienced contributors.

https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599




regard



Pierre 





De: Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com
: Extra Paul paulok...@hotmail.com
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org
Envoy le : Samedi 9 mai 2015 7h49
Objet: Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018








Hi all,

I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of unvalidating tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There is no offense I hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and improving is part of the motivation with OSM, IMHO.
I just suggested this change in the asking Manager that should prevent in the future the fact that tiles are validated by beginners:

https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598, titled: Validate button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with JOSM.

I also hope iD will have in the future not only a building mapping tool, but also (as mappers may not use the building tool) an automatic proposition to square or round the shape that has just been traced as soon as a building tag is chosen (GitHub issue: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624).



The tools and the documentation apart, we also need to organize and exchange between us the people: who is interested in validation checking meaning also providing feedback or monitoring beginners? Basically you need to be a proficient user of JOSM and having a lot of edits (not less than with 4-5 zeros, I would say)

It takes a bit of time but it is valuable and a nice way to interact. My hello to Suzan Reed who asked me directly for monitoring her tasks.

We have a list (thanks to Pascal Neis!) of the beginners from the start of the Activation, some are drive-bys (typically only 1 day of mapping, a few edits) and others more to super committed mappers. I have started a spreadsheet for those who would like to monitor these committed mappers.



Sincerely,



Severin





On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Extra Paul paulok...@hotmail.com wrote:







Dear openstreetmappers :)


Im quite worried about the quality of maps for task 1018.

Many of mappers, obviously, did not check the instructions or even the tutorials.People want to help, and thats awesome, but maybe validation should be done my more experienced and meticulous mappers.

Ive seen mappers validating more that 10 areas in less than an hour, and those areas still contain many errors : clusters of buildings mapped as one, landuse=residential area used for clusters of nothing more than 1 or 2 buildings, many streams seen as footpath, many paths in the middle of nowhere...

Maybe instructions should contain some images to show