Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

2015-05-01 Thread Chia-liang Kao
Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli Bazar) of the
task is still without the latest imagery.

clkao

Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:53寫道:

 Sorry, I corrected

 Hi have modified the task
 in the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM
 regard

 Pierre
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 Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

 Hi Pierre, (and woot!)

 I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license.  Here's
 one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at:
 http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png


 Best,
 clkao


 Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道:



 Good news!
 After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today
 various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult
 conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to
 provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous
 efforts.

 Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a
 serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not
 have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides.

 See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024

 regard


 Pierre
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Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

2015-05-01 Thread Chia-liang Kao
Hi Pierre, (and woot!)

I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license.  Here's
one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at:
http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png


Best,
clkao


Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道:

 Good news!
 After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today
 various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult
 conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to
 provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous
 efforts.

 Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a
 serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not
 have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides.

 See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024

 regard


 Pierre
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Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

2015-04-28 Thread Chia-liang Kao
Fellow mappers,

Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a
critical issue.  However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes
OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better
community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof,
and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain
from contributing.

Heather already started drafting training support.  When we circulate the
tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to
local community's group for newbies to find help.  People also wanted to
create screencast for specific tasks.

As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during disasters,
it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually couldn't
find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some common
critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to participate in
a project others criticize:

- Are the maps actually being used?
- If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or
incomplete?
- What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery?

Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community
switched from No one is going to use your stuff, you shouldn't do it to
People's life are at stake because the maps are in actual use, you
shouldn't do it.  But in any case we do need to tackle the issue seriously
to make HOT even more awesome.

Best,
clkao

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com
wrote:

 This is one of the main things I want to discuss with people at the HOT
 Summit this week and a central issue for Missing Maps. If it is of interest
 to any of you, please find me in DC or drop me a line...

 Pete

 On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks everyone. Pierre, your story about new people improving is great.
 I know many of us started during an emergency.

 For our dear friend and fellow mapper, Ralph. Thank you. I know I was
 firm last night, but waking this morning (Doha) I really think you are
 right that we need to improve new mapper onboarding during emergencies. So,
 I started another email chain about training help.

 Step by step,

 heather

 Heather Leson
 heatherle...@gmail.com
 Twitter: HeatherLeson
 Blog: textontechs.com

 On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:

 Andrew

 This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long
 Activation, we saw contributors that did improve rapidly and did a great
 job. They were in the top list of contributors.

 This is social gathering, and we have to take care to accompany well the
 new contributors.

 I did make some comments over the last year about improvements to make
 to our monitoring tools. We should surely continue to look at this and
 assure we have the possibility to both keep our reactivity and produce
 quality mapping.

 regard


 Pierre

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 I understand the frustration.  Some times the newbies do very bad, but
 some produce very good data as well.  One thing that we can also do is
 load large sections of the country in JOSM with the 'mirrored
 download' plugin.  You can then scan over a large area and just check
 the roads for major problems like you mention.  Even just a few people
 doing this every now and then makes a huge difference.

 Remember, the tasking manager is not the only way we have to map.
 Experienced people can work on their own, as long as they are mindful
 of what they are doing and try a bit to avoid causing conflicts for
 other mappers.

 - -AndrewBuck


 On 04/27/2015 10:25 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote:
  If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out. We need to
  change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it. These
  Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives
  are at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some
  with no completed tiles and others with only one or two completed
  tiles) messing around with validating tiles or unlocking already
  validated tiles and working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal
  #944 showing 5 validated tiles are actively locked. When I checked
  on the people that were doing this they were complete beginners. I
  have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these
  beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected
  roads (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then
  validating this tile, then invalidating it again. While I am all in
  favour of getting new mappers up and going this should only be done
  on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is
  extremely important that we get it