Fellow mappers,
Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a
critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes
OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better
community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof,
and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain
from contributing.
Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the
tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to
local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to
create screencast for specific tasks.
As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during disasters,
it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually couldn't
find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some common
critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to participate in
a project others criticize:
- Are the maps actually being used?
- If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or
incomplete?
- What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery?
Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community
switched from No one is going to use your stuff, you shouldn't do it to
People's life are at stake because the maps are in actual use, you
shouldn't do it. But in any case we do need to tackle the issue seriously
to make HOT even more awesome.
Best,
clkao
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com
wrote:
This is one of the main things I want to discuss with people at the HOT
Summit this week and a central issue for Missing Maps. If it is of interest
to any of you, please find me in DC or drop me a line...
Pete
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com
wrote:
Thanks everyone. Pierre, your story about new people improving is great.
I know many of us started during an emergency.
For our dear friend and fellow mapper, Ralph. Thank you. I know I was
firm last night, but waking this morning (Doha) I really think you are
right that we need to improve new mapper onboarding during emergencies. So,
I started another email chain about training help.
Step by step,
heather
Heather Leson
heatherle...@gmail.com
Twitter: HeatherLeson
Blog: textontechs.com
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:
Andrew
This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long
Activation, we saw contributors that did improve rapidly and did a great
job. They were in the top list of contributors.
This is social gathering, and we have to take care to accompany well the
new contributors.
I did make some comments over the last year about improvements to make
to our monitoring tools. We should surely continue to look at this and
assure we have the possibility to both keep our reactivity and produce
quality mapping.
regard
Pierre
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I understand the frustration. Some times the newbies do very bad, but
some produce very good data as well. One thing that we can also do is
load large sections of the country in JOSM with the 'mirrored
download' plugin. You can then scan over a large area and just check
the roads for major problems like you mention. Even just a few people
doing this every now and then makes a huge difference.
Remember, the tasking manager is not the only way we have to map.
Experienced people can work on their own, as long as they are mindful
of what they are doing and try a bit to avoid causing conflicts for
other mappers.
- -AndrewBuck
On 04/27/2015 10:25 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote:
If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out. We need to
change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it. These
Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives
are at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some
with no completed tiles and others with only one or two completed
tiles) messing around with validating tiles or unlocking already
validated tiles and working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal
#944 showing 5 validated tiles are actively locked. When I checked
on the people that were doing this they were complete beginners. I
have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these
beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected
roads (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then
validating this tile, then invalidating it again. While I am all in
favour of getting new mappers up and going this should only be done
on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is
extremely important that we get it