[HOT] OpenStreetMap Somali translation

[Nicholas Doiron]

Hi everyone,

Last year, I started working with translators to support more languages in
OpenStreetMap. This year, I'm interested in expanding that project to the
Somali language.  You can see the first mock-up of this project on
https://georeactor.github.io/osm-global/somali/about.html

There are two tasks where Somali volunteers can help: translation and
approval. The professional translator's work won't show up on the official
website or iD editor until a second person checks it, so we can use even a
few minutes of volunteer time to check their work looks right.

Please let me know if you are interested in a map-athon, translate-athon,
or some other collaboration on Somalia + Somaliland!  I can get you set up
on TranslateWiki and Transifex.

Regards,
Nick Doiron
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[HOT] OpenStreetMap workshop for the Maldives

[Nicholas Doiron]

Hi everyone,

Recently I have been working on right-to-left language support across
OpenStreetMap, iD, and related JS libraries. As part of this project, I
commissioned a Dhivehi translation of parts of the OSM map viewer,
registration and login process, and iD editor.  I was lucky to find someone
in the Maldives who could do this for a reasonable budget, and am talking
to someone who can confirm our remaining translations.  You can see a
sample About page at https://georeactor.github.io/osm-maldives/

The Maldives is one of the most at-risk countries for climate change and
related severe weather.

I would like to set up a local workshop on OSM, based on my prior
experience in Mongolia.
My plan is to arrive at Malé from 25 September and leave from Addu City on
12 October.  If anyone on our list has contacts in the Maldives (or in
UNDP, which I know is active there) please let them know that we are
translating the website and that we could work on a number of projects:
expanding local data, using bilingual placenames, city services, mapping
new reclaimed land.

Thanks,
Nick Doiron
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Re: [HOT] Multilingual names tool for OpenStreetMap

[Nicholas Doiron]

Follow-up on this OSM name localization project:

I created a "Task Manager"-like interface to create projects. You can sign
in with your OSM account: http://names.georeactor.com/projects

People without an OSM account can use Facebook Messenger. Send a message to
http://m.me/osmcitynamer (if you don't have the Messenger app, try
https://www.facebook.com/osmcitynamer/ )

*These projects do not edit OSM yet*!  I am working on a system to compare
multiple users' answers first.

Regards,
Nick Doiron

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Rory McCann  wrote:

> On 17/08/16 14:55, Nicholas Doiron wrote:
> > OpenStreetMap is fortunate to have a large, multilingual community. We
> > store a "name" tag for local names (sometimes two scripts are used, as
> > in Morocco) and we use "name:en" and other tags to store names from
> > other languages.
> >
> > In many parts of OpenStreetMap, we have places labeled English-first, or
> > local placenames without alternate names (eg China).  I hesitate to call
> > this a /problem /for OSM/HOT, but it could be an interest for expanding
> > OSM's reach and involving partners.
> >
> > Today I set up a prototype on http://city-namer.herokuapp.com/ - it uses
> > Overpass to pick places with a name but no name:[lang] tag.  States,
> > districts, and cities are sorted to appear before neighborhoods and
> hamlets.
> > Currently this doesn't edit anything... it dumps into a database. But if
> > you're interested in making this into a crowd-naming project, please
> > contact me or glom onto the GitHub https://github.com/Georeactor/
> city-namer
>
> For those who don't know, Sven Geggus has written a PostgreSQL function
> to automatically transliterate non-latin names into latin alphabet, so
> that there'll always been a "latin" name to display on a map. This is
> visible on the German style. e.g.:
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?zoom=18&lat=35.
> 62024&lon=51.39527&layers=B000TF
>
> The code has changed around, but I think this is it now
>
> https://github.com/giggls/mapnik-german-l10n
>
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[HOT] Multilingual names tool for OpenStreetMap

[Nicholas Doiron]

OpenStreetMap is fortunate to have a large, multilingual community. We
store a "name" tag for local names (sometimes two scripts are used, as in
Morocco) and we use "name:en" and other tags to store names from other
languages.

In many parts of OpenStreetMap, we have places labeled English-first, or
local placenames without alternate names (eg China).  I hesitate to call
this a *problem *for OSM/HOT, but it could be an interest for expanding
OSM's reach and involving partners.

Today I set up a prototype on http://city-namer.herokuapp.com/ - it uses
Overpass to pick places with a name but no name:[lang] tag.  States,
districts, and cities are sorted to appear before neighborhoods and hamlets.
Currently this doesn't edit anything... it dumps into a database. But if
you're interested in making this into a crowd-naming project, please
contact me or glom onto the GitHub https://github.com/Georeactor/city-namer

Regards,
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Re: [HOT] Request: Suggestions for improvements to iD OSM Web Editor

[Nicholas Doiron]

Related - I've been adding right-to-left language support for iD OSM
editor. It was already translated to Arabic and Persian/Farsi, but
typically sites flip their UI, so our main sidebar would appear on the
right.

We've got most technical parts done, so now we would much appreciate some
fluent speakers looking it over. Please get in touch or connect me with
interested mappers!

Discussion and code here:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/3087

Thanks,
Nick Doiron
On May 16, 2016 9:00 PM, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM" 
wrote:

> Hi Everyone!
>
> HOT is putting together a list of possible improvements or changes to
> the default OSM web editor iD that might help improve and ease typical
> HOT and Missing Maps OSM editing. As part of that process we would
> like to get ideas from the greater HOT and Missing Maps community.
>
> A few things already on the list and near the top of priorities for HOT
> are:
>
> * A building tool that would make drawing squared up (and round)
> buildings just a few clicks (this is close to being done already)
>
> * Customizable presets for typical or special HOT/Missing Maps
> projects (already in process, but not close to done)
>
> * Support for switching between two imagery sources (this is close to
> being done already)
>
> But we would love to hear more ideas and feedback from you about ways
> that iD could better help support HOT and Missing Maps type of mapping
> projects as well as very very new OSM mappers that often work on our
> projects.
>
> Please let us know things you think iD might be able to do to help new
> mappers or mappers that work on HOT / Missing Maps projects.
>
> Obviously there is limited development time available so most things
> will not be done in the short or medium term, but let us see together
> if there are any quick wins we might be able to identify.
>
> Also please share your feedback on things you had problems with or saw
> other mappers having problems with even if you do not have a
> suggestion for how to actually address those issues.
>
> We will then take all those ideas and working with the iD Github
> repository issue/feature tracking make some requests to the iD
> developer. Yes, I said "developer" as in 1 person who does the bulk
> (not all, but most) of the iD maintenance and development, Bryan
> Housel. You can imagine he gets pulled in a lot of different
> directions by the greater OSM community and he has to balance a lot of
> needs and concerns. But Bryan has always been very open to suggestions
> and feedback and concerns about the iD editor and that is why it is
> the great tool it is.
>
> The iD OSM Web Editor will always first and foremost be a general OSM
> editor so some things will just not be possible, but we are quite sure
> we can find some things that will help HOT/Missing Maps and be of use
> to the greater OSM mapping community as well. Our goal is to identify
> those things and help get them implemented through feedback and
> testing and maybe even some code contributions if anyone is interested
> in doing that.
>
> So as I said, please, if you have a few minutes to share some thoughts
> on the iD editor it would be most appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
> 
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> Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
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Re: [HOT] Issue with Harare project - 1649

[Nicholas Doiron]

> can project owners currently block certain users from using the Tasking
Manager? Would it make sense to do so?

This feature will be necessary at some point if not already. We all believe
in good intentions, and the success of Task Manager means that good
intentions is a good starting point. But looking forward, it's better to
have the feature ready than to find someone sabotaging Task Manager during
a natural disaster or a pilot by a new partner org.

This feature doesn't block users from editing OSM or reverting changesets,
so I think it's ethical within the OSM world.

-- Nick Doiron
On Mar 10, 2016 8:37 AM, "Martin Dittus"  wrote:

>
> It seems to me there are really three separate concerns here.
>
> 1. Resuming Martin’s project. Russ addresses this.
>
>
> 2. OSM data quality discussions around HOT newcomers. That’s a big topic
> and an ongoing discussion, and is maybe best discussed in the places Russ
> mentions. Any such incident is probably best be referred to such a forum,
> however HOT members should be active participants in such discussions, so
> Martin please share links if you post to one of the OSM lists.
>
> It may also be a good time to review data quality concerns that have been
> raised, and find some kind of consensus approach to dealing with them. For
> example a “best practices” doc for HOT coordinators (which may already
> exist). This will then help have such a discussion.
>
>
> 3. Dealing with uncooperative contributors. Without knowing the details,
> it seems to me that this individual has decided to take matters in their
> own hand and disrupt an existing process. While their intentions may come
> from a good place, their acts are hardly constructive. I'm concerned that
> this issue might not simply go away. Furthermore, it may also spill over
> into other projects.
>
> As a community member I think this action was transgressive to a point
> where it warrants a slightly more formal response; for example a polite
> email by a HOT organiser with an invitation for dialogue, and a request to
> stop. I also don’t think Martin should be tasked to deal with the issue by
> himself; it seems he hardly caused the conflict, he merely happened to
> coordinate the project, which is one among many.
>
> An idle thought — can project owners currently block certain users from
> using the Tasking Manager? Would it make sense to do so? Such a block would
> be easily bypassed, and might stoke the flames rather than stop the issue.
>
> (Martin, you’re welcome to contact me off-list if you want support for any
> of this, however I should also say I’m not formally a HOT member.)
>
> m.
>
>
>
> > On 10 Mar 2016, at 15:20, Russell Deffner 
> wrote:
> >
> > P.S. Martin,
> >
> > The Activation WG does not handle 'edit conflicts' or really any
> conflicts as we have plenty of those internally for coordinating HOT
> stuff.  You also started with 'Dear OSM community' - just to clarify - this
> list is the 'HOT community'; to address the larger/general OSM community
> you would want to email t...@openstreetmap.org - and if you do need
> 'intervention' with another mapper, that's the OSMF Data WG (
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_working_group)
> >
> > Happy Mapping! (let me know if you need help 'resetting'/invalidating
> all tiles in 1649)
> > =Russ
> >
> > Russell Deffner
> > russell.deff...@hotosm.org
> > Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)
> > http://hotosm.org
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Russell Deffner [mailto:russell.deff...@hotosm.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:04 AM
> > To: 'Martin Noblecourt'; 'hot@openstreetmap.org'
> > Subject: RE: [HOT] Issue with Harare project - 1649
> >
> > Hi, Just a quick note - you can now 'invalidate all tiles' from the misc
> tab as a Project Manager; so no need to re-create.
> >
> > Also this user http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/rab - although they
> have a long OSM history, I wouldn't call them 'expert' as they still don't
> use changeset comments correctly after 8 years :)
> >
> > =Russ
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Martin Noblecourt [mailto:m_nobleco...@cartong.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:51 AM
> > To: hot@openstreetmap.org
> > Subject: [HOT] Issue with Harare project - 1649
> >
> > Dear OSM community,
> >
> > I'd like to get your feedback about what happened on the following
> > project: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1649
> >
> > This project have been marked as completely done by one single mapper
> > without tracing, under the argument new mappers would damage existing
> > data. The area is indeed already well mapped but also a lot of data is
> > still missing (including rivers, roads and buildings) and it is pretty
> > easy to trace so I doubt the project will damage the area (unless
> > contribution to OSM is now reserved to "experts").
> > Another argument we received was that some of our previous Missing maps
> > projects (such as 1465/1466) were a "complete quality disaster"...
> > Al

Re: [HOT] Map-a-thon getting 509 Bandwidth Exceeded error

[Nicholas Doiron]

Hi Mikel,

I sent the IP address to the osm-dev IRC chat about 24 hours ago. Maybe
someone can dig it up?

I should note that I was running an app to review our users' changesets and
count features added. This may have pushed us over a short-term throttling
limit, but not the longer-term daily limits.
https://github.com/mapmeld/osm-scorekeeper

There are three more organic factors which affected our downloading:
- our new mappers panned and zoomed over a large area, downloading more data
- our area is dense with buildings data
- our area has many Mongolian gers, which are circular ways

I was under the impression that people *can* request a reset, if an admin
is online, but admins currently can't schedule or whitelist IPs ahead of
time.

If there's anyone who would look over the C++ for the rate limiter
<https://github.com/zerebubuth/openstreetmap-cgimap/blob/b210b5c0bc8eee002405837fa6ed2544c32149e6/src/rate_limiter.cpp>
and explain it to a web-stack developer like myself, please contact me
off-list.

-- Nick Doiron

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:

> Nick
>
> Yes, this is probably due to a shared IP address for that lab. This
> problem has been seen before at mapathons, but usually with much higher
> number of users. Usually, the rate-limiting will ease off after a time, so
> it should've been available again later.
>
> The OSMF Operations team won't currently make exceptions to the
> rate-limiting policy. But they do think it should be an unusually high
> volume situation to trip the bandwidth limits. I think it's worth asking if
> one of them will investigate more closely to see if there was something
> unusual in the situation of your mapathon. Do you have the IP address for
> the mapathon venue?
>
> -Mikel
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>
>
>   On Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:45 AM, Nicholas Doiron <
> ni...@codeforamerica.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm working with The Asia Foundation to run an OpenStreetMap map-a-thon in
> Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia. We have 17 teams of 3 people, mostly students and
> city planners, mapping unplanned areas of the city (ger districts)
>
> At 3:30pm local time, we got a 509 Bandwidth Exceeded error on most teams'
> machines, so we had to end our first day early.  No one's data is lost, but
> we can't download existing data into iD, so every map area looks blank.
> There was a risk we would add the same building many times.
>
> Is there a way for us to re-enabling editing before tomorrow morning? And
> keep the gates open for another 48 hours or so?
> I'll do my part by closing a couple of apps (including Show Me The Way
> from OSM Labs) which were running at the time
>
> Regards,
> Nick Doiron
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[HOT] Map-a-thon getting 509 Bandwidth Exceeded error

[Nicholas Doiron]

Hi,

I'm working with The Asia Foundation to run an OpenStreetMap map-a-thon in
Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia. We have 17 teams of 3 people, mostly students and
city planners, mapping unplanned areas of the city (ger districts)

At 3:30pm local time, we got a 509 Bandwidth Exceeded error on most teams'
machines, so we had to end our first day early.  No one's data is lost, but
we can't download existing data into iD, so every map area looks blank.
There was a risk we would add the same building many times.

Is there a way for us to re-enabling editing before tomorrow morning? And
keep the gates open for another 48 hours or so?
I'll do my part by closing a couple of apps (including Show Me The Way from
OSM Labs) which were running at the time

Regards,
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[HOT] Adding non-emergency Mongolia tasks to Tasking Manager

[Nicholas Doiron]

Hi HOT mappers:


I'm working with the Asia Foundation on an OSM training and
mapathon for Mongolia on June 20-21.  You can peek at our Facebook event at
https://facebook.com/mapforub  and read more about the project goals at
http://asiafoundation.org/in-asia/2014/10/15/accurately-mapping-mongolias-sprawling-capital-with-satellite-imagery/


We have seven small task areas with high-res drone imagery, and we're
focusing on local contributors; no remote volunteers at this time. I'm
looking for help to create a task hosted on an existing Tasking Manager
server, rather than us setting up our own server just for the event.
Please let me know if you can help with this.


Also, if anyone has advice for mapping events, it would be great to hear
from you. Please e-mail me off-list, or meet me at State of the Map this
weekend.


Regards,

Nick Doiron

Sr. Apps Developer

The Asia Foundation
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Re: [HOT] Date of a mapped feature?

[Nicholas Doiron]

Hi Chris -

To answer your question, it IS possible to see edit history of any node
(point), way (line or area), or relation (group of features) on
OpenStreetMap.  This is usually good when imagery and OSM data don't match
up - which is older?

1. To see the data, find the number ID.
--> On the iD editor, click a feature then "View on OpenStreetMap.org" in
the bottom left.
--> In Potlatch, I click a feature, Advanced, and a numeric ID is in the
top left.
The current info page URL looks like this:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/58754640 (replacing "way" with "node" for
a point).

2. At the bottom of the current information sidebar, there's a link to View
History. The URL looks like this:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/58754640/history  - this feature was first
added 5 years ago, and last edited 4 months ago.

This history gets lost when you delete and redraw! So always edit when you
can.

-- Nick Doiron

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Chris Braun  wrote:

>  Thanks Clifford for the clarification.
>
> Am I the only one who believes this issue is very important and should be
> dealt with?
> Maybe it's more a mid/long term issue: while we can guess that everything
> which is mapped today in Nepal is very recent because of the effort and
> wide participation triggered following the earthquake, if another
> catastrophe happens in a few years in the same region and the mapping
> effort restarts, rescue teams will have no clue to know whether what they
> see on the map dates back from the post 2015 earthquake or was mapped
> following the second catastrophe. This is a real problem, no? And of course
> this does not only apply for Nepal.
>
> At least if would be good to systematically tag the date of the imagery
> when it is known (Bing), and maybe try to find some strategy to give an
> estimate date (base on changesets for instance) for other imagery where the
> exact date is unknown.
>
> What do you (experienced users of OSM) think of this?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> On 30/04/2015 23:33, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Chris Braun  wrote:
>
>> I have experience in GIS and RS but am quite new in OSM so sorry for the
>> newbie question.
>> Basically I would like to know if and how one can know when a feature was
>> mapped on the OSM map. Or rather what was the date of the imagery that was
>> used to map a specific feature. Since the OSM map is used by rescue teams,
>> I would find this information quite critical to assess whether a feature
>> may still exist or not, but I don't understand how this can be learnt from
>> the map. There does not seem to be a systematic tag for the date of the
>> image, or an automatic way to associate to a feature the date of the
>> imagery that was used to map it (or the most recent imagery that is still
>> showing this feature), but maybe I am missing something. Or maybe this can
>> be learnt from the "history" section?
>>
>
> I don't believe we capture imagery creation date in the OSM changeset.
> Bing image tiles do contain a date (right click on the background image in
> JOSM) but MapBox images last I checked do not. Since we don't capture that
> data at best you can do is look at the date of the changeset and the Bing
> image date.
>
>  Clifford
>
>
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Re: [HOT] GIS Meetup

[Nicholas Doiron]

Hi Warren,

There is a new group of mapping meetups called Maptime, with strong ties to
OpenStreetMap and open source development. There have been some Tasking
Manager sessions in other cities. You can read more about it at
http://maptime.io and contact the Maptime for Los Angeles at
https://twitter.com/maptimela

-- Nick Doiron

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Warren Roberts  wrote:

> Good afternoon,
>
> I am exploring some ideas for a meetup on our campus here in Los Angeles.
> Considering a meetup on working with OSM on some urgent needs that I can
> find posted at the tasking manager.  Any suggestions?  We have a variety of
> students in the graduate and undergraduate program in information
> technology, many with GIS and some with programming experience.
>
> [image: --]
>
> Warren Roberts
> [image: http://]
> about.me/gisteacher
> (typos intensional)
> 
> 
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Re: [HOT] Why use OpenStreetMap and not other maps in disaster situations?

[Nicholas Doiron]

A lot of the post-disaster data comes from volunteers tracing or from data
donated by universities + NGOs or from satellite photos given to the
humanitarian effort. For many of these sources, it would be strange to do
free work and give free data to a company like Google or Microsoft,
especially when we don't know whether everyone can share and use that data.
They want to know that their work will be used and improved in a free
community. We also have tools ready for people to help from Day 0.

Two weaknesses of OSM:
- OSM rejects data from non free sources. In the Pakistan flooding response
we could not include village names from GeoNames or Google Maps. You could
make a special new disaster map mixing all data with no license, but then
it can't be officially used. At some point lawyers will get involved and
the map would be deleted.  I think someone should try this, though.

- OSM is 100% public. For a response to a violent event, people will be
afraid to share data. I talked to an organizer for a Somali NGO who says it
sounds dangerous to map their neighborhood online. I think in these crises
you leave OSM alone and use Ushahidi.

Nick Doiron
On Apr 24, 2014 4:23 AM, "Sazal Sthapit"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am Sazal Sthapit from Kathmandu Living Labs. I am an active member of
> OSM-Nepal community.
>
> Last week, we had a discussion with few people from Nepal’s Disaster
> Community. We were asked one specific question, “Why should we choose
> OpenStreetMap over any other maps in disaster situations?”
>
> While I do have some idea to answer this question in bits and pieces, I
> was wondering if we could come up with specific advantages and
> disadvantages of using OpenStreetMap over other maps.
>
> Sazal
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