Re: [HOT] HOT's Export Tool Development

[Roxroy Bollers]

Great work guys!

sent from my Samsung Tablet

On Mar 7, 2017 11:12 PM, "Mhairi O'Hara"  wrote:

> Thanks for the email Blake!
>
> We are due to post a blog about the current development and hold an open
> chat to get some feedback on the Export Tool from the community.
>
> Please stay tuned for details by the end of the week.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mhairi
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Denis Carriere 
> wrote:
>
>> Congrats!
>>
>> The HOT export tool is a great application for everyone in the HOT
>> community.
>>
>> Awesome work, Keep it up!
>>
>> *~~*
>> *Denis Carriere*
>> *GIS Software & Systems Specialist*
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:05 PM, Blake Girardot 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings friends!
>>>
>>> HOT's Export Tool is a resource for getting data out of OSM. It makes
>>> it easy to define an area and export the OSM data in a variety of
>>> formats for easy use in other tools for analysis, visualizations and
>>> map making among other things.
>>>
>>> HOT is currently in process of improving the tool and integrating it
>>> with Humanitarian Data Exchange, a UNOCHA project.  This effort is
>>> being lead by Mhairi O'Hara and being coded by Brandon Liu.
>>>
>>> The other reason I am writing is to celebrate their first
>>> accomplishment. A long standing bug that made shapefiles sometimes
>>> impossible to use has been fixed! Yay! Thank you Mhairi and Brandon!
>>>
>>> So if you are an Export Tool user and you have run in to the shapefile
>>> bug, it has been fixed!
>>>
>>> Exports away! http://export.hotosm.org/
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Blake
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Blake Girardot
>>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
>>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>>> skype: jblakegirardot
>>> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel - https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/
>>>
>>> ___
>>> HOT mailing list
>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> HOT mailing list
>> HOT@openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Mhairi O'Hara*
> Project Manager
> mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org
> @mataharimhairi
>
> *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team*
> *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response & Economic Development*
> web 
>  | twitter 
>  | facebook 
>  | donate 
>
> ___
> HOT mailing list
> HOT@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>
>
___
HOT mailing list
HOT@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot

Re: [HOT] Sierra Leone Field trip with Missing Maps

[Roxroy Bollers]

To confirm with Nick! A recent project we developed forms for French
speaking folks - so there is option in the development of the form to have
the information visible on the screen when data collection is being done to
show in whatever language you desire.

Hope this helps.
ᐧ

On 7 July 2016 at 10:55, Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I'm not sure how many languages are available, but there are options.
> Certainly the forms can be produced with different language versions of the
> questions. One of the forms we regularly used was initially in French, and
> we used the option to change to English.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Nick
>
>
> On 07/07/16 15:46, john whelan wrote:
>
> Are these English only tools or is it possible to have different language
> interfaces?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 7 July 2016 at 09:40, Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rox,
>>
>> The packages used were all android apps, but I believe that some are
>> available for other phones;
>>
>> ODK Collect
>> Various websites, but the principle one is <https://opendatakit.org/>
>> https://opendatakit.org/.
>>
>> OpenMapkit
>> http://www.openmapkit.org/
>>
>> KoboCollect
>> Similar to ODK Collect.  http://www.kobotoolbox.org/
>>
>> There are other apps which perform a similar function.
>>
>> We also trained in and installed OsmAnd <http://osmand.net/>
>> http://osmand.net/ (Make sure you have your map organised before you go
>> to an area of weak internet supply).
>>
>> I'm quite happy to supply more information if needed & there are many
>> others on this list with knowledge on the subject(s) as well.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Nick
>> (Tallguy)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/07/16 14:17, Roxroy Bollers wrote:
>>
>> Nice work Nick! I'm embarking on a similar project here in Guyana. I am
>> curious to know if any at all what was the application used on the mobile
>> phone for the data collection process?
>>
>> Rox
>> ᐧ
>>
>> On 6 July 2016 at 21:33, Matthew Gibb < <mjng...@gmail.com>
>> mjng...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Really enjoyed reading about your experience, Nick, thanks for sharing!
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/6/16, 7:16 PM, "Nick Allen" <nick.allen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> >I recently went on a field trip, as part of a Missing Maps / American
>>>> >Red Cross / MSF project in Sierra Leone. I've written a short diary
>>>> >entry [1], and was recently filmed whilst giving a short talk in London
>>>> >about the trip [2].
>>>> >
>>>> >Keep up the good work, it is appreciated! I was only a small cog in a
>>>> >great big machine, which I'm proud to say that all on this mailing list
>>>> >are part of. We introduced many people and organisations to
>>>> >OpenStreetMap and HOT - many were surprised at the quality of the
>>>> >mapping that was available. I'm sure we will see more use of the
>>>> >information, and if our brief training sessions & talks 'hit the mark'
>>>> >then perhaps a few more people will be involved in the projects in the
>>>> >future.
>>>> >
>>>> >Off shopping shortly - my luggage was lost by the airline.
>>>> >
>>>> >In the meantime, lots of geotagged photographs and gps traces to
>>>> >process, together with lots of water supply information.
>>>> >
>>>> >Once again, on behalf of the many people I (We) spoke to, thank you,
>>>> and
>>>> >keep up the good work.
>>>> >
>>>> >Regards
>>>> >
>>>> >Nick
>>>> >(Tallguy)
>>>> >
>>>> >[1] - <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy/diary/38967>
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy/diary/38967
>>>> >[2] -
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyIJE1Fsb7A=em-subs_digest>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyIJE1Fsb7A=em-subs_digest
>>>> >
>>>> >___
>>>> >HOT mailing list
>>>> >HOT@openstreetmap.org
>>>> >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>>>>
>>>
>>> 

Re: [HOT] Sierra Leone Field trip with Missing Maps

[Roxroy Bollers]

Hello Nick!
THanks for your response. I asked because I am using ODK Collect as my
primary app for data collection in these parts also, but thought they might
have been something else that I don't know about out is out there - the
others that you mentioned I have also looked them over, but I will
deffinetaily look into the OsmAnd. I will share some work pic when the
project is up and running. It is going to be setup in the indegenious
communities in Guyana (kind of similar to the areas you worked in).

Again, thanks.
Rox.
ᐧ

On 7 July 2016 at 09:40, Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rox,
>
> The packages used were all android apps, but I believe that some are
> available for other phones;
>
> ODK Collect
> Various websites, but the principle one is https://opendatakit.org/.
>
> OpenMapkit
> http://www.openmapkit.org/
>
> KoboCollect
> Similar to ODK Collect.  http://www.kobotoolbox.org/
>
> There are other apps which perform a similar function.
>
> We also trained in and installed OsmAnd http://osmand.net/ (Make sure you
> have your map organised before you go to an area of weak internet supply).
>
> I'm quite happy to supply more information if needed & there are many
> others on this list with knowledge on the subject(s) as well.
>
> Regards
>
> Nick
> (Tallguy)
>
>
>
> On 07/07/16 14:17, Roxroy Bollers wrote:
>
> Nice work Nick! I'm embarking on a similar project here in Guyana. I am
> curious to know if any at all what was the application used on the mobile
> phone for the data collection process?
>
> Rox
> ᐧ
>
> On 6 July 2016 at 21:33, Matthew Gibb <mjng...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Really enjoyed reading about your experience, Nick, thanks for sharing!
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/6/16, 7:16 PM, "Nick Allen" < <nick.allen...@gmail.com>
>>> nick.allen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Hi,
>>> >
>>> >I recently went on a field trip, as part of a Missing Maps / American
>>> >Red Cross / MSF project in Sierra Leone. I've written a short diary
>>> >entry [1], and was recently filmed whilst giving a short talk in London
>>> >about the trip [2].
>>> >
>>> >Keep up the good work, it is appreciated! I was only a small cog in a
>>> >great big machine, which I'm proud to say that all on this mailing list
>>> >are part of. We introduced many people and organisations to
>>> >OpenStreetMap and HOT - many were surprised at the quality of the
>>> >mapping that was available. I'm sure we will see more use of the
>>> >information, and if our brief training sessions & talks 'hit the mark'
>>> >then perhaps a few more people will be involved in the projects in the
>>> >future.
>>> >
>>> >Off shopping shortly - my luggage was lost by the airline.
>>> >
>>> >In the meantime, lots of geotagged photographs and gps traces to
>>> >process, together with lots of water supply information.
>>> >
>>> >Once again, on behalf of the many people I (We) spoke to, thank you, and
>>> >keep up the good work.
>>> >
>>> >Regards
>>> >
>>> >Nick
>>> >(Tallguy)
>>> >
>>> >[1] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy/diary/38967
>>> >[2] -
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyIJE1Fsb7A=em-subs_digest
>>> >
>>> >___
>>> >HOT mailing list
>>> >HOT@openstreetmap.org
>>> >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>>>
>>
>> ___
>> HOT mailing list
>> HOT@openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> ---
> "Like a camera I use the negative to develop..uDig"
> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of
> enthusiasm"
>
> -->
>
> *Roxroy K. Bollers*
> GIS & IT Service Provider
> tel. 592.685.2737
> *.*
> *Follow Us On*
> *Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/OutSourceRox>*
> Google+ <https://plus.google.com/114064153117817313312>
> Twitter: @drbollers <http://www.twitter.com/drbollers>
> ---
>
>
>


-- 




---
"Like a camera I use the negative to develop..uDig"
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of
enthusiasm"
-->

*Roxroy K. Bollers*
GIS & IT Service Provider
tel. 592.685.2737
*.*
*Follow Us On*
*Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/OutSourceRox>*
Google+ <https://plus.google.com/114064153117817313312>
Twitter: @drbollers <http://www.twitter.com/drbollers>
---
___
HOT mailing list
HOT@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot

Re: [HOT] Sierra Leone Field trip with Missing Maps

[Roxroy Bollers]

Nice work Nick! I'm embarking on a similar project here in Guyana. I am
curious to know if any at all what was the application used on the mobile
phone for the data collection process?

Rox
ᐧ

On 6 July 2016 at 21:33, Matthew Gibb  wrote:

> Really enjoyed reading about your experience, Nick, thanks for sharing!
>
> Matt
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/6/16, 7:16 PM, "Nick Allen"  wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >I recently went on a field trip, as part of a Missing Maps / American
>> >Red Cross / MSF project in Sierra Leone. I've written a short diary
>> >entry [1], and was recently filmed whilst giving a short talk in London
>> >about the trip [2].
>> >
>> >Keep up the good work, it is appreciated! I was only a small cog in a
>> >great big machine, which I'm proud to say that all on this mailing list
>> >are part of. We introduced many people and organisations to
>> >OpenStreetMap and HOT - many were surprised at the quality of the
>> >mapping that was available. I'm sure we will see more use of the
>> >information, and if our brief training sessions & talks 'hit the mark'
>> >then perhaps a few more people will be involved in the projects in the
>> >future.
>> >
>> >Off shopping shortly - my luggage was lost by the airline.
>> >
>> >In the meantime, lots of geotagged photographs and gps traces to
>> >process, together with lots of water supply information.
>> >
>> >Once again, on behalf of the many people I (We) spoke to, thank you, and
>> >keep up the good work.
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> >Nick
>> >(Tallguy)
>> >
>> >[1] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy/diary/38967
>> >[2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyIJE1Fsb7A=em-subs_digest
>> >
>> >___
>> >HOT mailing list
>> >HOT@openstreetmap.org
>> >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>>
>
> ___
> HOT mailing list
> HOT@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>
>


-- 




---
"Like a camera I use the negative to develop..uDig"
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of
enthusiasm"
-->

*Roxroy K. Bollers*
GIS & IT Service Provider
tel. 592.685.2737
*.*
*Follow Us On*
*Facebook *
Google+ 
Twitter: @drbollers 
---
___
HOT mailing list
HOT@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot

Re: [HOT] HOT: Geo Data Collect: Mobile Data Collection and Tracking

[Roxroy Bollers]

Lovley! I will give this a try. Might work will for mapping out community
farms.
ᐧ

On 1 February 2016 at 22:47, Yantisa Akhadi 
wrote:

> Hi Claudia,
>
> Yes, surely, that would be great! Let me know if you need more information
> about it for your blog.
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Yantisa Akhadi (Iyan)*
> *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team*
> Tel: +62 81 5787 03388  Email: yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org
> hot.openstreetmap.org | openstreetmap.id
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Claudia Mocci  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi
>> I have just read the article about the new app GeoDataCollect
>> https://hotosm.org/updates/2016-02-01_geo_data_collect_mobile_data_collection_and_tracking
>>
>>
>> It's really interesting.
>> May I have , please, the permission to translate it into italian? Here we
>> still have some language barriers. Iwill post it in SardiniaOpenData 's
>> blog.
>>
>> Thanks and have a great day
>>
>>
>>  Claudia Mocci
>> http://sardiniaopendata.org/
>>
>>
>> Skype : clamocci
>> http://claudiamocci.wordpress.com/
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/claudia-mocci/44/814/326
>>
>>
>> ___
>> HOT mailing list
>> HOT@openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>>
>>
>
> ___
> HOT mailing list
> HOT@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>
>


-- 




---
"Like a camera I use the negative to develop..uDig"
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of
enthusiasm"
-->

*Roxroy K. Bollers*
GIS & IT Service Provider
tel. 592.685.2737
*.*
*Follow Us On*
*Facebook *
Google+ 
Twitter: @drbollers 
---
___
HOT mailing list
HOT@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot

Re: [HOT] DigitalGlobe imagery for Hurricane Patricia

[Roxroy Bollers]

Great stuff! Let's rally for Mexico

Sent from my LG G3
On 24 Oct 2015 00:59, "Kevin Bullock"  wrote:

> BBOX = the Country of Mexico.
>
> Kevin
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> On Oct 23, 2015, at 10:54 PM, Robert Banick  wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thanks for this, it’s fantastic. The existing Bing and Mapbox imagery in
> the area is pretty high-quality but it’s never bad to have additional
> options. I’ll add this to the tasks we’ve opened so far.
>
> Quick question: do you have a bounding box for the overall extent of the
> imagery? I’m running off a poor connection here so it’s a little
> inconvenient to eyeball it myself.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox 
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Kevin Bullock  > wrote:
>
> Dear HOT, a few months ago, we launched a Maps API to simplify access to
>> our imagery (in partnership with Mapbox). In response to Hurricane
>> Patricia, we are opening access to pre-event Mexico imagery. We have built
>> 50cm countrywide mosaics for the world, and we are delighted to provide
>> imagery over the impact area of Mexico in hopes of improving OpenStreetMap
>> and aiding in Humanitarian efforts. This data is licensed for OpenStreetMap
>> tracing and usage. Let's rally for Mexico!!
>>
>> To use this imagery for tracing within OpenStreetMap, you can load
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=15/20.6075/-105.2316 and then add
>> the digitalglobe.vivid-latam-caribbean map ID as a custom background.
>> (or add to an existing HOT task)
>>
>> Please use this URL:
>> https://api.mapbox.com/v4/digitalglobe.vivid-latam-caribbean/{z}/{x}/{y}.png?access_token
>> 
>> =
>> pk.eyJ1IjoiZGlnaXRhbGdsb2JlIiwiYSI6ImNpZzRqYng4OTJ1NWd0emt2b3Q2dWhwNXQifQ.8ohSIF9elaL6Z6Cx69Joxg
>> As the storm moves out, our satellites are ready to collect post event
>> imagery, which we will also make available. Other resources and info from
>> DG:
>>
>>
>> http://www.digitalglobeblog.com/2015/10/23/hurricane-patricia-response-support/
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Kevin Bullock
>> DigitalGlobe
>>
>>
>>
>> This electronic communication and any attachments may contain
>> confidential and proprietary information of DigitalGlobe, Inc. If you are
>> not the intended recipient, or an agent or employee responsible for
>> delivering this communication to the intended recipient, or if you have
>> received this communication in error, please do not print, copy,
>> retransmit, disseminate or otherwise use the information. Please indicate
>> to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and
>> delete the copy you received.
>>
>> DigitalGlobe reserves the right to monitor any electronic communication
>> sent or received by its employees, agents or representatives.
>>
>
>
> This electronic communication and any attachments may contain confidential
> and proprietary information of DigitalGlobe, Inc. If you are not the
> intended recipient, or an agent or employee responsible for delivering this
> communication to the intended recipient, or if you have received this
> communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate
> or otherwise use the information. Please indicate to the sender that you
> have received this communication in error, and delete the copy you
> received.
>
> DigitalGlobe reserves the right to monitor any electronic communication
> sent or received by its employees, agents or representatives.
>
> ___
> HOT mailing list
> HOT@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>
>
___
HOT mailing list
HOT@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot

Re: [HOT] Congratulations to our new voting members!

[Roxroy Bollers]

Excellent Kate. I had similar thought but was not sure how to word it. Last
thing you want volunteer to feel is less important.



On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I would like to echo Schuyler's comment that we wouldn't be able to do
 anything this without the help of volunteers. That said I would hope
 at some point we could make the membership mean something (other than
 just voting on the board).

 When HOT was originally incorporated I envisioned issues of importance
 to the organization to be brought to the voting membership for
 discussion and decision making. This wouldn't be for everyday items,
 aimed more at the long term goals and strategy of the organization.
 One thing that I think lays in the way of this right now are the
 structural documents actually defining what membership is and a fair
 process to ensure those that desire and volunteer for HOT have the
 opportunity to become members.

 What I mean by that is that currently we only nominate members once
 year. So far the main reason for this has been twofold. One the
 administrative burden of performing the nomination process, two having
 the membership be engaged in the nomination and voting process.
 Perhaps this is because most people are not clear on the process or
 they are happy with the ways things are with HOT and don't feel the
 need to vote. Or maybe there are other reasons.

 To be clear though I would like the HOT community to discuss and
 attempt to come to decisions about the organization. This can only
 happen through clear dialogue.

 Best,

 -Kate

 On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Schuyler Erle schuy...@nocat.net wrote:
  TL;DR: Everyone reading this is a member of HOT. Some of the people who
 aren't voting members are actually more members of HOT than those who are
 nominally entitled to vote in the organization. You are all doing work that
 has the amazing potential to make the world a better place. Thank you.
 
  On Jan 2, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Schuyler Erle wrote:
 
 
  If you have any comments or questions about this process, or thoughts
 you'd like to share on the Team and on the responsibilities of voting
 membership within the Team, I wholeheartedly invite you to reply to this
 message and kick off the discussion forthwith.
 
  Actually, speaking in an unofficial capacity, I'd like to start the
 discussion myself. First, I hope you will note that in my announcement I
 took great pains to emphasize that the election that we held last month was
 specifically to induct new _voting_ members.
 
  I want everyone to note that the only reason we make any distinction at
 all between voting membership and any other form of participation in HOT is
 that, as a formally incorporated non-profit organization, our bylaws
 legally oblige us to maintain a set list of voting members who have certain
 duties. We do this because formal non-profit status makes it possible for
 us to obtain donations that vastly increase our ability to fulfill our
 mission.
 
  The duties of voting members merely include electing the Board of
 Directors, altering the voting membership, and for approving changes to the
 bylaws themselves. Voting membership holds no other responsibilities, and
 no other distinction, beyond this.
 
  In a real sense, if you are reading this message, you are truly a member
 of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team. Everyone who has ever edited the
 OSM database, or written a line of code, in the service of humanitarian
 relief and preparedness is a member of our team. It's your volunteer
 efforts that enable us collectively to make the world a better place, and
 to support the work of those who ease the suffering of people in need.
 
  Without you, there would be no Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team worthy
 of the name. I think I can speak for the Board certainly, and perhaps
 everyone else, when I say that, voting member or otherwise, we appreciate
 all of the work that you selflessly put in on behalf of the team to help us
 achieve our goals and live up to our ideals of enabling humanitarian
 efforts through our maps and our software.
 
  That said, I would like to note that many of our voting members barely
 fail to live up to the responsibilities that are expected of them by virtue
 of having been elected to such duties by their peers. I won't name names,
 but the fact is that getting some of you to vote in elections, and even
 getting you to fill out a simple form indicating your continued interest in
 the organization, feels like pulling teeth. I feel that voting membership
 in HOT begin the implicit responsibility of setting a positive example of
 activism, volunteerism, and engagement for the rest of the team. I will
 tell you honestly that I think some of you are terrible at this. If you
 think I am trying to shame you into being more involved, you are absolutely
 correct.
 
  I will also admit that I am being pretty hypocritical in leveling this
 criticism at my friends 

Re: [HOT] Pakistan Anti-Mapping Legislation: Implications for HOT/OSM

[Roxroy Bollers]

Alex I understand your frustration about that law...however, Toby has a
good point. The problem is who, how and when can this be implemented so all
our rear end no matter where we are is covered - less you, me the OSM group
be imprisoned.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote:

 While I agree that this is complete BS, would it be possible for a
 local OSM chapter organization to register with the SoP and thereby
 cover OSM members in Pakistan? This might require keeping an official
 list of members and getting new mappers to add their name to the list
 which isn't really cool... but maybe better than no maps at all?

 Toby


 On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
  The proposed Bill will require all government or private agencies
 involved in surveying and mapping to register themselves with the SoP.
 Failing to do so will result in one-year imprisonment and a fine of up to
 one million rupees.
 
 
  This is fucked up. The national security argument is completely futile.
 I think this law would really hurt OpenStreetMap, essentially making every
 mapper on the ground a criminal unless they register with a gov agency
 (yeah, right) and it completely hampers geo-based IT innovation like Faisal
 said.
 
  What can we do about this?
 
  On Nov 26, 2012, at 1:31 AM, Faisal Chohan fai...@cogilent.com wrote:
 
  On a general terms:
 
  1. Laws are never implemented on powerful persons or entities in
 Pakistan. Laws are for general public and implemented on them harshly. And
 when an ordinary person gets into these cases there is no way out. It
 destroys all of his/her life and career.
 
  Specific to the mapping. I am not a lawyer but this is my observation,
 
  1. The local laws do not affect the people living out-side Pakistan,
 unless they do not enter in Pakistan. e.g in one instance a case is
 registered against facebook founder, but it does not mean anything for the
 facebook founder. The only problem with the case is that the facebook
 founder cannot enter in Pakistan without clearing from this case.
 
  This directly harms the Pakistani IT community and people. As Facebook
 will never build a physical office in Pakistan due to this case. The
 powerful and rich people will have their children studying in US and then
 get access to the employment in companies like facebook but a general
 person will not.
 
  The only problem with international projects like openstreetmap is that
 most of the implementations are carried out by local people. And once they
 cannot be involved into these projects, there seems distant possibility of
 any substantial projects initiated or completed.
 
  2. We were doing on-ground mapping in Pakistan especially our TED prize
 winner project SaafPindi. After reading this news we have stopped on
 ground mapping and are not updating open street map from Friday on-wards.
  We are just pondering different options.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Faisal Chohan
 
  TED Senior Fellow | www.ted.com/fellows
  Disaster and open data mapper | www.pakreport.org
  Co-Founder | www.BrightSpyre.com
  Co-Founder | www.cogilent.com
  
  Mobile: +1 415 692 7920
  Twitter: @faisalchohan
  Skype: faisalchohan
  Personal Blog: http://faisalchohan.blogspot.com
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com
 wrote:
  Hi Mark,
 
  I think it depends. If we were going to start a project in Pakistan
  physically on the ground it is a huge deal. Remote activations it
  probably isn't a huge issue for us specifically, though I wonder about
  people on the ground using the data. Would it be an issue if they were
  not mapping, but just using unofficial map sources.
 
  There are some similar sounding laws in Indonesia, but the
  implementation has been really different. For example 2 years ago a
  law was passed that in summary says if you distribute inaccurate data
  you will pay a big fine or do jail time. We are working closely with
  Badan Informasi Geospasial (the NMA) on this however. The law is a lot
  less scary in implementation in our case than when it first come out.
 
  Can't say that Pakistan will do the same, but it is one of those
  things where I'm not sure what we can do other than wait and see.
 
  -Kate
 
  On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk
 wrote:
   Hi All,
  
   I've just seen this through Twitter, it may be of relevance to those
 mapping
   in/near Pakistan. The short version is thus; it seems that Pakistan is
   legislating against mapping which ins't conducted by the national
 mapping
   agency.
  
   http://dawn.com/2012/11/21/pakistanis-lost-without-maps/
  
   Best,
  
   Mark
  
  
   ___
   HOT mailing list
   HOT@openstreetmap.org
   http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
  
 
  ___
  HOT mailing list