Re: [HOT] [Imports] CAR Activation; experienced mappers to finish the import of UNICEF data?

2014-01-08 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Severin MENARD [mailto:severin.men...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 3:22 AM
> To: impo...@openstreetmap.org; hot@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Imports] CAR Activation; experienced mappers to finish the
import of UNICEF data?
> 
> Paul,
> 
> I took you only 24 hours in December to stop this import. I would 
> appreciate the same speed to help us solving the issue(s) you identified 
> for this import that has humanitarian benefits. Can you please answer to 
> my last email in order we fix the tags and proceed again? 

As I indicated in
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2014-January/002512.html 
the step after my email is to propose what you want to do on the 
imports@ mailing list and to the local community, same as if you were 
proposing a new import. 

I would suggest doing this in a new email topic where you outline the 
changes you want to make to the import vs. what was proposed, because 
this one has been about the block and it's getting hard to follow. 

It is up to you to consult adequately and ensure that there is a 
consensus around continuing the import with the changes, and this is not 
something that I would normally get involved in *as a DWG member*. 



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Re: [HOT] [Imports] CAR Activation; experienced mappers to finish the import of UNICEF data?

2014-01-08 Thread Pierre Béland
Over the last year, HOT with the support of the OSM community has made the 
difference in many countries, responding to humanitarians in imergency 
contexts. Just to name a few, we have made the difference in Democratic 
Republic of Congo, Mali, Syria, Central African Republic. And finally, for the 
Philippines Haiyan Typhoon, we were able to deliver paper maps in 10 days, 
including in many areas the damaged buildings.  Look at the medias were the 
humanitarian community says how OSM has made the difference.

We work in a stressful context and need support. For some of you, that dont 
follow closely our work, it make look that we dont respect rules. We see that 
in every orgnization. You have some work can you can plan for years. Other 
tasks were you need a lot of reactivity and flexibility. Instead of general 
critics saying we do not follow the rules, we would prefer that people propose 
us concrete solutions adapted to this context. 

This give me the opportunity to thank the many developpers that permitted 
success of Haiyan Activation. They came with concrete propositions and realized 
them rapidly.

When you manage a crisis, you dont plan the same way as you do for long term 
projects.  We need propositions that are adapted to this reality and support us 
in our action.



 
Pierre 




 De : Martin Koppenhoefer 
À : Severin MENARD  
Cc : "impo...@openstreetmap.org" ; 
"hot@openstreetmap.org"  
Envoyé le : Mercredi 8 janvier 2014 9h53
Objet : Re: [HOT] [Imports] CAR Activation; experienced mappers to finish the 
import of UNICEF data?
 




2014/1/8 Severin MENARD 

Paul,
>
>
>I took you only 24 hours in December to stop this import. I would appreciate 
>the same speed to help us solving the issue(s) you identified for this import 
>that has humanitarian benefits.


if the import is not done nicely and the data or tagging has issues, there will 
also be few benefit (it might even harm to have some kind of problematic data 
or errors online rather than having nothing)


cheers,
Martin


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Re: [HOT] [Imports] CAR Activation; experienced mappers to finish the import of UNICEF data?

2014-01-08 Thread Severin MENARD
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:

>
> 2014/1/8 Severin MENARD 
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I took you only 24 hours in December to stop this import. I would
>> appreciate the same speed to help us solving the issue(s) you identified
>> for this import that has humanitarian benefits.
>>
>
>
> if the import is not done nicely and the data or tagging has issues, there
> will also be few benefit (it might even harm to have some kind of
> problematic data or errors online rather than having nothing)
>
> cheers,
> Martin
>

I am totally aware of this. The issue is not about the import itself that
has been done nicely so far except ONCE the comments have been forgotten.
The issue is only about the tags, and everything has been presented and
argumented, it is now only a matter of discussion and decision about 3
categories of tags (geodata, admin and source), what IMHO does not require
weeks to be debated.

Sincerely,

Severin
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Re: [HOT] [Imports] CAR Activation; experienced mappers to finish the import of UNICEF data?

2014-01-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/8 Severin MENARD 

> Paul,
>
> I took you only 24 hours in December to stop this import. I would
> appreciate the same speed to help us solving the issue(s) you identified
> for this import that has humanitarian benefits.
>


if the import is not done nicely and the data or tagging has issues, there
will also be few benefit (it might even harm to have some kind of
problematic data or errors online rather than having nothing)

cheers,
Martin
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