Re: [HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

2016-05-13 Thread Arun Ganesh 
Hi Kate,
The open data community has collected shared notes and responses to the
bill here:
https://datameet.hackpad.com/The-Geospatial-Information-Regulation-Bill-2016-zJwgcQaIvBq

The idea is definitely to respond with a better alternative. No comment has
been made to the Government so far.

Arun



On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 11:45 PM, Kate Chapman  wrote:

> Hey Sajjad,
>
> Have you also sent comments directly to the government? You said you were
> collecting responses, is that in form other than "this is bad". I am no
> expert on India but some of my other contacts on my trip this week have
> said they are looking for ways to make suggestions of a better approach (I
> am not sure what this would be).
>
> Best,
>
> Kate
> On May 13, 2016 8:58 AM, "Sajjad Anwar"  wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> Ralph - thanks for bringing this here. A few of us have started a
>> campaign and collecting responses to the ministry to reduce the scope
>> of this bill. You can follow the conversations on
>> http://savethemap.in/
>>
>> The bill in it's current state is very unlikely to get approved. Will
>> keep you posted.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sajjad
>> (https://twitter.com/geohacker)
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Carissa Brittain
>>  wrote:
>> > The article in Geospatial World
>> > (http://geospatialworld.net/Professional/ViewBlog.aspx?id=477) has a
>> link to
>> > the May 5 draft of the bill
>> > (
>> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
>> )
>> > but it doesn't seem to be complete.
>> >
>> > Techdirt's article
>> > (
>> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160509/09563834390/indias-proposed-geospatial-information-regulation-bill-would-shut-down-most-map-based-services-there.shtml
>> )
>> > seems to have a more complete version:
>> >
>> http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/GeospatialBill_05052016_eve.pdf
>> >
>> > 'Carissa Brittain
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Ralph Aytoun <
>> ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> An item for discussion.
>> >> This particular scenario existed when I was working for Philip’s and we
>> >> had to send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any map of
>> India
>> >> that we would include in any of our atlases. It appears that India is
>> going
>> >> to roll this out further.
>> >>
>> >> Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in the
>> event
>> >> of a natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Ralph Aytoun
>> >>
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Re: [HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

2016-05-13 Thread Kate Chapman 
Hey Sajjad,

Have you also sent comments directly to the government? You said you were
collecting responses, is that in form other than "this is bad". I am no
expert on India but some of my other contacts on my trip this week have
said they are looking for ways to make suggestions of a better approach (I
am not sure what this would be).

Best,

Kate
On May 13, 2016 8:58 AM, "Sajjad Anwar"  wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> Ralph - thanks for bringing this here. A few of us have started a
> campaign and collecting responses to the ministry to reduce the scope
> of this bill. You can follow the conversations on
> http://savethemap.in/
>
> The bill in it's current state is very unlikely to get approved. Will
> keep you posted.
>
> Cheers,
> Sajjad
> (https://twitter.com/geohacker)
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Carissa Brittain
>  wrote:
> > The article in Geospatial World
> > (http://geospatialworld.net/Professional/ViewBlog.aspx?id=477) has a
> link to
> > the May 5 draft of the bill
> > (
> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
> )
> > but it doesn't seem to be complete.
> >
> > Techdirt's article
> > (
> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160509/09563834390/indias-proposed-geospatial-information-regulation-bill-would-shut-down-most-map-based-services-there.shtml
> )
> > seems to have a more complete version:
> >
> http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/GeospatialBill_05052016_eve.pdf
> >
> > 'Carissa Brittain
> >
> > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Ralph Aytoun  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> An item for discussion.
> >> This particular scenario existed when I was working for Philip’s and we
> >> had to send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any map of
> India
> >> that we would include in any of our atlases. It appears that India is
> going
> >> to roll this out further.
> >>
> >> Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in the event
> >> of a natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.
> >>
> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Ralph Aytoun
> >>
> >> ___
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Re: [HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

2016-05-13 Thread Komяpa 
We've got something similar in Belarus, leftover from USSR times.

For long time local mapping agencies tried to exploit that, which led to
"there are no maps of Belarus in digital form available", which led to OSM
being extremely popular here (maps.me, Galileo, OsmAnd are all made in
Belarus, because of that reason).

In principle any map of Belarus (even if you've drawn it yourself just a
second ago) is copyrighted by Belcartography, and they can sue you using
local copyright-based laws.

For now the law is not used - people have to get license to have a "map",
but it's alright to have "scheme not to scale" even if it happens to be to
scale.

пт, 13 мая 2016 г. в 12:11, Katja Ulbert :

> Hi Sajjad,
>
> I have been following the discussion around this bill, thanks for
> campaigning! As Robert said, if there is any we can do as HOT community
> other than supporting on social media don´t hesitate to ask.
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Katja
> On 13/05/16 05:54, Robert Banick wrote:
>
> Hey Sajjad —
>
> Thanks for the update. Let us know if there’s anything the global HOT
> community can do to realistically support your campaign.
>
> Robert
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 9:13 AM Sajjad Anwar < m...@sajjad.in>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> Ralph - thanks for bringing this here. A few of us have started a
>> campaign and collecting responses to the ministry to reduce the scope
>> of this bill. You can follow the conversations on
>> http://savethemap.in/
>>
>> The bill in it's current state is very unlikely to get approved. Will
>> keep you posted.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sajjad
>> (https://twitter.com/geohacker)
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Carissa Brittain
>>  wrote:
>> > The article in Geospatial World
>> > (http://geospatialworld.net/Professional/ViewBlog.aspx?id=477) has a
>> link to
>> > the May 5 draft of the bill
>> > (
>> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
>> )
>> > but it doesn't seem to be complete.
>> >
>> > Techdirt's article
>> > (
>> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160509/09563834390/indias-proposed-geospatial-information-regulation-bill-would-shut-down-most-map-based-services-there.shtml
>> )
>> > seems to have a more complete version:
>> >
>> http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/GeospatialBill_05052016_eve.pdf
>> >
>> > 'Carissa Brittain
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Ralph Aytoun <
>> ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> An item for discussion.
>> >> This particular scenario existed when I was working for Philip’s and we
>> >> had to send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any map of
>> India
>> >> that we would include in any of our atlases. It appears that India is
>> going
>> >> to roll this out further.
>> >>
>> >> Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in the
>> event
>> >> of a natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Ralph Aytoun
>> >>
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Re: [HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

2016-05-13 Thread Katja Ulbert 

Hi Sajjad,

I have been following the discussion around this bill, thanks for 
campaigning! As Robert said, if there is any we can do as HOT community 
other than supporting on social media don´t hesitate to ask.


Keep up the good work!

Katja

On 13/05/16 05:54, Robert Banick wrote:

Hey Sajjad —

Thanks for the update. Let us know if there’s anything the global HOT 
community can do to realistically support your campaign.


Robert

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 9:13 AM Sajjad Anwar > wrote:


Hey everyone,

Ralph - thanks for bringing this here. A few of us have started a
campaign and collecting responses to the ministry to reduce the scope
of this bill. You can follow the conversations on
http://savethemap.in/

The bill in it's current state is very unlikely to get approved. Will
keep you posted.

Cheers,
Sajjad
(https://twitter.com/geohacker)

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Carissa Brittain
>
wrote:
> The article in Geospatial World
> (http://geospatialworld.net/Professional/ViewBlog.aspx?id=477)
has a link to
> the May 5 draft of the bill
>

(http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf)
> but it doesn't seem to be complete.
>
> Techdirt's article
>

(https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160509/09563834390/indias-proposed-geospatial-information-regulation-bill-would-shut-down-most-map-based-services-there.shtml)
> seems to have a more complete version:
>

http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/GeospatialBill_05052016_eve.pdf
>
> 'Carissa Brittain
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Ralph Aytoun
>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> An item for discussion.
>> This particular scenario existed when I was working for
Philip’s and we
>> had to send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any
map of India
>> that we would include in any of our atlases. It appears that
India is going
>> to roll this out further.
>>
>> Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in
the event
>> of a natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ralph Aytoun
>>
>> ___
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Re: [HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

2016-05-12 Thread Erin Kilbride 
Hi all - really interesting. 

In case this is useful, particularly to those in India:

I work for an NGO that protects/promotes human rights defenders at risk (Front 
Line Defenders, in Dublin). If you learn of people who are questioned / 
threatened in relation to mapping or distribution (freedom of expression and 
information) please let me know as we could assist and campaign around this 
issue as well. 

Erin

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 May 2016, at 05:54, Robert Banick  wrote:
> 
> Hey Sajjad — 
> 
> Thanks for the update. Let us know if there’s anything the global HOT 
> community can do to realistically support your campaign. 
> 
> Robert
> 
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 9:13 AM Sajjad Anwar  wrote:
>> Hey everyone,
>> 
>> Ralph - thanks for bringing this here. A few of us have started a
>> campaign and collecting responses to the ministry to reduce the scope
>> of this bill. You can follow the conversations on
>> http://savethemap.in/
>> 
>> The bill in it's current state is very unlikely to get approved. Will
>> keep you posted.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sajjad
>> (https://twitter.com/geohacker)
>> 
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Carissa Brittain
>>  wrote:
>> > The article in Geospatial World
>> > (http://geospatialworld.net/Professional/ViewBlog.aspx?id=477) has a link 
>> > to
>> > the May 5 draft of the bill
>> > (http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf)
>> > but it doesn't seem to be complete.
>> >
>> > Techdirt's article
>> > (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160509/09563834390/indias-proposed-geospatial-information-regulation-bill-would-shut-down-most-map-based-services-there.shtml)
>> > seems to have a more complete version:
>> > http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/GeospatialBill_05052016_eve.pdf
>> >
>> > 'Carissa Brittain
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Ralph Aytoun 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> An item for discussion.
>> >> This particular scenario existed when I was working for Philip’s and we
>> >> had to send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any map of India
>> >> that we would include in any of our atlases. It appears that India is 
>> >> going
>> >> to roll this out further.
>> >>
>> >> Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in the event
>> >> of a natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Ralph Aytoun
>> >>
>> >> ___
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>> 
>> 
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Re: [HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

2016-05-12 Thread Robert Banick 
Hey Sajjad —

Thanks for the update. Let us know if there’s anything the global HOT
community can do to realistically support your campaign.

Robert

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 9:13 AM Sajjad Anwar  wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> Ralph - thanks for bringing this here. A few of us have started a
> campaign and collecting responses to the ministry to reduce the scope
> of this bill. You can follow the conversations on
> http://savethemap.in/
>
> The bill in it's current state is very unlikely to get approved. Will
> keep you posted.
>
> Cheers,
> Sajjad
> (https://twitter.com/geohacker)
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Carissa Brittain
>  wrote:
> > The article in Geospatial World
> > (http://geospatialworld.net/Professional/ViewBlog.aspx?id=477) has a
> link to
> > the May 5 draft of the bill
> > (
> http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf
> )
> > but it doesn't seem to be complete.
> >
> > Techdirt's article
> > (
> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160509/09563834390/indias-proposed-geospatial-information-regulation-bill-would-shut-down-most-map-based-services-there.shtml
> )
> > seems to have a more complete version:
> >
> http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/GeospatialBill_05052016_eve.pdf
> >
> > 'Carissa Brittain
> >
> > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Ralph Aytoun  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> An item for discussion.
> >> This particular scenario existed when I was working for Philip’s and we
> >> had to send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any map of
> India
> >> that we would include in any of our atlases. It appears that India is
> going
> >> to roll this out further.
> >>
> >> Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in the event
> >> of a natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.
> >>
> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Ralph Aytoun
> >>
> >> ___
> >> HOT mailing list
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> >>
> >
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Re: [HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

2016-05-12 Thread Sajjad Anwar 
Hey everyone,

Ralph - thanks for bringing this here. A few of us have started a
campaign and collecting responses to the ministry to reduce the scope
of this bill. You can follow the conversations on
http://savethemap.in/

The bill in it's current state is very unlikely to get approved. Will
keep you posted.

Cheers,
Sajjad
(https://twitter.com/geohacker)

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Carissa Brittain
 wrote:
> The article in Geospatial World
> (http://geospatialworld.net/Professional/ViewBlog.aspx?id=477) has a link to
> the May 5 draft of the bill
> (http://www.dst.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-NGP-Ver%201%20ammended_05May2016.pdf)
> but it doesn't seem to be complete.
>
> Techdirt's article
> (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160509/09563834390/indias-proposed-geospatial-information-regulation-bill-would-shut-down-most-map-based-services-there.shtml)
> seems to have a more complete version:
> http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/GeospatialBill_05052016_eve.pdf
>
> 'Carissa Brittain
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Ralph Aytoun 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> An item for discussion.
>> This particular scenario existed when I was working for Philip’s and we
>> had to send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any map of India
>> that we would include in any of our atlases. It appears that India is going
>> to roll this out further.
>>
>> Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in the event
>> of a natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ralph Aytoun
>>
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[HOT] India ban on "unofficial maps"

2016-05-12 Thread Ralph Aytoun 

An item for discussion.
This particular scenario existed when I was working for Philip’s and we had to 
send to India for prior approval, an exact copy of any map of India that we 
would include in any of our atlases. It appears that India is going to roll 
this out further.

Is this something HOT will have to get prior permission for in the event of a 
natural disaster? It certainly appears that way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36276754 

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