Re: [HOT] Mayendit task
Hello all, Supreme thanks for the effort you made on the Mayendit task. The team has received info that has led them to widen their assessment area. There is a new task in the TM at http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/938 They need the hut / road data today! We have said no promises, but that we will try our best. So, if you have time, please grab a square. As mentioned above, we will be seeking feedback from the team on the ground and they have offered to share pictures to help with the context. In answer to John's question above (sorry John, I must have missed it before), the gold standard for Missing Maps is polygons for the huts, but in this case, with this urgency, if points are quicker, let's go for points. These can be adjusted later. Thanks again, Pete On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 11:22 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at it I would concur that the imagery could be better Also the expectations are not clear to me, is a generic hut ie CrtlV in JOSM or do you want the real size of the hut? Some tiles have the imagery listed in the instructions and some tiles do not. There seems to be a variety of mapping styles some huts are drawn, others are dropped in as points. Cheerio John On 7 March 2015 at 10:45, Vao Matua vaoma...@gmail.com wrote: Pete, I would appreciate the feedback from site visits. It is difficult to know if the imagery shows buildings or trees, paths or streams. Hopefully the mapping will make things go faster in the field. Emmor On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Pierre, I totally agree. I will ask for feedback. Also, we are trying to up our game in terms of local field mapping thus year. I guess there is no better validation. Bangladesh was super interesting, for example. Although the tracing was often way out, it was super important for the local mappers as they were able to reference their position via gos on their smartphones with their position on the field papers. With the combination of the two tools, incorrect landmarks were almost as good as correct ones. And of course, they were able to validate the tracing. It is also important, I guess, for people working with NGOs and HOT to manage expectations and make clear that tracing remotely is by no means fool proof! Variances in mapping skill, image quality, context etc... Look forward to discussing this further. Pete On 6 Mar 2015 16:53, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi Pete Yes, the contributors are prompt to respond to MSF and other humanitarian organizations operational projects. And be sure that such feedback about these projects is most appreciated by the HOT contributors. Let me make some disgression suggesting more intensive collaboration. We are a techy organization and the big contributors appreciate the capacity to move forward and work more closely with the field teams, to explore workflows to better interact. Feedback is a must to keep the incentive to participate. Even in the context of urgent projects, if the teams take the time to give minimal feedback, I am convince that this will assure a good progress of the Task Manager jobs. The article about Ebola refered by Russell this week, presented some criticism about the Ebola basemap quality relying it to the Crowdsource mapping or import of Settlement place names with duplicates. This shows misunderstanding about how we can collectively, the OSM community and the international organizations deployed in the field, build a coherent map. Crowdsourcing the digitalization of aerial imagery or data imports, this is only one step in building an exhaustive map that can support humanitarian operations. To complete the map, the volunteers from abroad need more interaction with the field team GIS specialists. After mostly a year contributing for the Ebola activation and with all the GIS specialists in the field working for Ebola, we still see how it is difficult to go further then Crowdsource remote mapping and as a Global humanitarian community integrate the field data collection in a more coherent information system, to share with others. Working on smaller projects like this one, this could be often an opportunity to progress and find ways to better interact. regard Pierre -- *De :* Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 6 mars 2015 10h43 *Objet :* [HOT] Mayendit task Hi all, I planned to write an email this afternoon to ask for your help with the Mayendit task (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/923). The MSF team need the data fairly urgently. However, when I just went to look, I saw it was already at 28%! This is amazing So, instead I will just say, keep up the good work. The team needs the data by mid next week, but I think that looks very likely to happen. If anyone has time to do a bit
Re: [HOT] Mayendit task
Pete, I would appreciate the feedback from site visits. It is difficult to know if the imagery shows buildings or trees, paths or streams. Hopefully the mapping will make things go faster in the field. Emmor On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Pierre, I totally agree. I will ask for feedback. Also, we are trying to up our game in terms of local field mapping thus year. I guess there is no better validation. Bangladesh was super interesting, for example. Although the tracing was often way out, it was super important for the local mappers as they were able to reference their position via gos on their smartphones with their position on the field papers. With the combination of the two tools, incorrect landmarks were almost as good as correct ones. And of course, they were able to validate the tracing. It is also important, I guess, for people working with NGOs and HOT to manage expectations and make clear that tracing remotely is by no means fool proof! Variances in mapping skill, image quality, context etc... Look forward to discussing this further. Pete On 6 Mar 2015 16:53, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi Pete Yes, the contributors are prompt to respond to MSF and other humanitarian organizations operational projects. And be sure that such feedback about these projects is most appreciated by the HOT contributors. Let me make some disgression suggesting more intensive collaboration. We are a techy organization and the big contributors appreciate the capacity to move forward and work more closely with the field teams, to explore workflows to better interact. Feedback is a must to keep the incentive to participate. Even in the context of urgent projects, if the teams take the time to give minimal feedback, I am convince that this will assure a good progress of the Task Manager jobs. The article about Ebola refered by Russell this week, presented some criticism about the Ebola basemap quality relying it to the Crowdsource mapping or import of Settlement place names with duplicates. This shows misunderstanding about how we can collectively, the OSM community and the international organizations deployed in the field, build a coherent map. Crowdsourcing the digitalization of aerial imagery or data imports, this is only one step in building an exhaustive map that can support humanitarian operations. To complete the map, the volunteers from abroad need more interaction with the field team GIS specialists. After mostly a year contributing for the Ebola activation and with all the GIS specialists in the field working for Ebola, we still see how it is difficult to go further then Crowdsource remote mapping and as a Global humanitarian community integrate the field data collection in a more coherent information system, to share with others. Working on smaller projects like this one, this could be often an opportunity to progress and find ways to better interact. regard Pierre -- *De :* Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 6 mars 2015 10h43 *Objet :* [HOT] Mayendit task Hi all, I planned to write an email this afternoon to ask for your help with the Mayendit task (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/923). The MSF team need the data fairly urgently. However, when I just went to look, I saw it was already at 28%! This is amazing So, instead I will just say, keep up the good work. The team needs the data by mid next week, but I think that looks very likely to happen. If anyone has time to do a bit of validation, that would also be super cool. (I try not to post to this list too much about Missing Maps tasks as you are all already involved in so many worthy projects. This is an exception because of the task's urgent nature...) Thanks again! Pete -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mayendit task
Looking at it I would concur that the imagery could be better Also the expectations are not clear to me, is a generic hut ie CrtlV in JOSM or do you want the real size of the hut? Some tiles have the imagery listed in the instructions and some tiles do not. There seems to be a variety of mapping styles some huts are drawn, others are dropped in as points. Cheerio John On 7 March 2015 at 10:45, Vao Matua vaoma...@gmail.com wrote: Pete, I would appreciate the feedback from site visits. It is difficult to know if the imagery shows buildings or trees, paths or streams. Hopefully the mapping will make things go faster in the field. Emmor On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Pierre, I totally agree. I will ask for feedback. Also, we are trying to up our game in terms of local field mapping thus year. I guess there is no better validation. Bangladesh was super interesting, for example. Although the tracing was often way out, it was super important for the local mappers as they were able to reference their position via gos on their smartphones with their position on the field papers. With the combination of the two tools, incorrect landmarks were almost as good as correct ones. And of course, they were able to validate the tracing. It is also important, I guess, for people working with NGOs and HOT to manage expectations and make clear that tracing remotely is by no means fool proof! Variances in mapping skill, image quality, context etc... Look forward to discussing this further. Pete On 6 Mar 2015 16:53, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi Pete Yes, the contributors are prompt to respond to MSF and other humanitarian organizations operational projects. And be sure that such feedback about these projects is most appreciated by the HOT contributors. Let me make some disgression suggesting more intensive collaboration. We are a techy organization and the big contributors appreciate the capacity to move forward and work more closely with the field teams, to explore workflows to better interact. Feedback is a must to keep the incentive to participate. Even in the context of urgent projects, if the teams take the time to give minimal feedback, I am convince that this will assure a good progress of the Task Manager jobs. The article about Ebola refered by Russell this week, presented some criticism about the Ebola basemap quality relying it to the Crowdsource mapping or import of Settlement place names with duplicates. This shows misunderstanding about how we can collectively, the OSM community and the international organizations deployed in the field, build a coherent map. Crowdsourcing the digitalization of aerial imagery or data imports, this is only one step in building an exhaustive map that can support humanitarian operations. To complete the map, the volunteers from abroad need more interaction with the field team GIS specialists. After mostly a year contributing for the Ebola activation and with all the GIS specialists in the field working for Ebola, we still see how it is difficult to go further then Crowdsource remote mapping and as a Global humanitarian community integrate the field data collection in a more coherent information system, to share with others. Working on smaller projects like this one, this could be often an opportunity to progress and find ways to better interact. regard Pierre -- *De :* Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 6 mars 2015 10h43 *Objet :* [HOT] Mayendit task Hi all, I planned to write an email this afternoon to ask for your help with the Mayendit task (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/923). The MSF team need the data fairly urgently. However, when I just went to look, I saw it was already at 28%! This is amazing So, instead I will just say, keep up the good work. The team needs the data by mid next week, but I think that looks very likely to happen. If anyone has time to do a bit of validation, that would also be super cool. (I try not to post to this list too much about Missing Maps tasks as you are all already involved in so many worthy projects. This is an exception because of the task's urgent nature...) Thanks again! Pete -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mayendit task
Hi Pete Yes, the contributors are prompt to respond to MSF and other humanitarian organizations operational projects. And be sure that such feedback about these projects is most appreciated by the HOT contributors. Let me make some disgression suggesting more intensive collaboration. We are a techy organization and the big contributors appreciate the capacity to move forward and work more closely with the field teams, to explore workflows to better interact. Feedback is a must to keep the incentive to participate. Even in the context of urgent projects, if the teams take the time to give minimal feedback, I am convince that this will assure a good progress of the Task Manager jobs. The article about Ebola refered by Russell this week, presented some criticism about the Ebola basemap quality relying it to the Crowdsource mapping or import of Settlement place names with duplicates. This shows misunderstanding about how we can collectively, the OSM community and the international organizations deployed in the field, build a coherent map. Crowdsourcing the digitalization of aerial imagery or data imports, this is only one step in building an exhaustive map that can support humanitarian operations. To complete the map, the volunteers from abroad need more interaction with the field team GIS specialists. After mostly a year contributing for the Ebola activation and with all the GIS specialists in the field working for Ebola, we still see how it is difficult to go further then Crowdsource remote mapping and as a Global humanitarian community integrate the field data collection in a more coherent information system, to share with others. Working on smaller projects like this one, this could be often an opportunity to progress and find ways to better interact. regard Pierre De : Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 6 mars 2015 10h43 Objet : [HOT] Mayendit task Hi all, I planned to write an email this afternoon to ask for your help with the Mayendit task (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/923). The MSF team need the data fairly urgently. However, when I just went to look, I saw it was already at 28%! This is amazing So, instead I will just say, keep up the good work. The team needs the data by mid next week, but I think that looks very likely to happen. If anyone has time to do a bit of validation, that would also be super cool. (I try not to post to this list too much about Missing Maps tasks as you are all already involved in so many worthy projects. This is an exception because of the task's urgent nature...) Thanks again! Pete -- Pete Masters Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org @pedrito1414 @theMissingMaps facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Mayendit task
Hi all, I planned to write an email this afternoon to ask for your help with the Mayendit task (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/923). The MSF team need the data fairly urgently. However, when I just went to look, I saw it was already at 28%! This is amazing So, instead I will just say, keep up the good work. The team needs the data by mid next week, but I think that looks very likely to happen. If anyone has time to do a bit of validation, that would also be super cool. (I try not to post to this list too much about Missing Maps tasks as you are all already involved in so many worthy projects. This is an exception because of the task's urgent nature...) Thanks again! Pete -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mayendit task
Hi Pierre, I totally agree. I will ask for feedback. Also, we are trying to up our game in terms of local field mapping thus year. I guess there is no better validation. Bangladesh was super interesting, for example. Although the tracing was often way out, it was super important for the local mappers as they were able to reference their position via gos on their smartphones with their position on the field papers. With the combination of the two tools, incorrect landmarks were almost as good as correct ones. And of course, they were able to validate the tracing. It is also important, I guess, for people working with NGOs and HOT to manage expectations and make clear that tracing remotely is by no means fool proof! Variances in mapping skill, image quality, context etc... Look forward to discussing this further. Pete On 6 Mar 2015 16:53, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi Pete Yes, the contributors are prompt to respond to MSF and other humanitarian organizations operational projects. And be sure that such feedback about these projects is most appreciated by the HOT contributors. Let me make some disgression suggesting more intensive collaboration. We are a techy organization and the big contributors appreciate the capacity to move forward and work more closely with the field teams, to explore workflows to better interact. Feedback is a must to keep the incentive to participate. Even in the context of urgent projects, if the teams take the time to give minimal feedback, I am convince that this will assure a good progress of the Task Manager jobs. The article about Ebola refered by Russell this week, presented some criticism about the Ebola basemap quality relying it to the Crowdsource mapping or import of Settlement place names with duplicates. This shows misunderstanding about how we can collectively, the OSM community and the international organizations deployed in the field, build a coherent map. Crowdsourcing the digitalization of aerial imagery or data imports, this is only one step in building an exhaustive map that can support humanitarian operations. To complete the map, the volunteers from abroad need more interaction with the field team GIS specialists. After mostly a year contributing for the Ebola activation and with all the GIS specialists in the field working for Ebola, we still see how it is difficult to go further then Crowdsource remote mapping and as a Global humanitarian community integrate the field data collection in a more coherent information system, to share with others. Working on smaller projects like this one, this could be often an opportunity to progress and find ways to better interact. regard Pierre -- *De :* Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 6 mars 2015 10h43 *Objet :* [HOT] Mayendit task Hi all, I planned to write an email this afternoon to ask for your help with the Mayendit task (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/923). The MSF team need the data fairly urgently. However, when I just went to look, I saw it was already at 28%! This is amazing So, instead I will just say, keep up the good work. The team needs the data by mid next week, but I think that looks very likely to happen. If anyone has time to do a bit of validation, that would also be super cool. (I try not to post to this list too much about Missing Maps tasks as you are all already involved in so many worthy projects. This is an exception because of the task's urgent nature...) Thanks again! Pete -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
