Re: [hugin-ptx] multiblend - a faster alternative to Enblend (Windows only)

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Is there sourcecode somewhere so porting (except for using Wine) would
be easier ;)


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Re: [hugin-ptx] 360 panorama's

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Op 11-07-10 23:59, Bruno Postle schreef:
> Ok, you will have to tell Hugin that this photo has a fisheye geometry
> as it has no way of knowing otherwise.

I'm not even having this photo in the current panorama...


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Re: [hugin-ptx] 360 panorama's

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Op 11-07-10 23:41, Bruno Postle schreef:
> On Sun 11-Jul-2010 at 21:28 +0200, Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>
>> I was able to compile the lastest sources. I have a strange issue; I
>> have 8 images, from an aligned camera setting. Sadly Hugin gets heavily
>> frustrated if I have keypoints that matches the beginning and the end of
>> the image. Is there a way to actually have Hugin panorama 'enabled'?
> 
> It would help if we could see one of these messed up panoramas.  I
> suspect that you have a very bad (too small) field of view for the input
> photos and this is preventing a good fit to the 360° scene.

In the preview windows the result looks like a circle, where each side
is around 45 degrees from the right, left centre rotated. If you want I
can make a screenie, but it is really obscure.


>> When I remove the keypoints between an image pair so that I have just a
>> wide view, I select cylindrical. From that I see that the alignment in
>> the preview (and afterwards) is not actually transforming the image:
> 
> What is the field of view of the panorama according to Hugin?

Around 280 degrees.


>> <http://blogs.elphel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/hugin-1-1024x235.jpg>
>> <http://blogs.elphel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/outdoor-thumb1.jpg>
>>
>> Does anyone have a good tip how to make a template for this camera? Next
>> to that, is there a way to make Hugin or enfuse to equalize whitebalance?
> 
> Your use-case is complex enough that you need to ignore the Align button
> on the Assistant tab.  Start with a good estimate of the camera field of
> view, optimise 'positions and view', then 'positions view and barrel'.

I'll try that.


> If you have nine different cameras, then you absolutely have to also
> unlink 'd & e Image Centre shift' before final optimisation, as each
> photo will have a different optical centre.  You may also find you have
> to unlink 'v field of view'.

8 for the 360, and 1 (fisheye) for the top.


> Once you have a good alignment, try optimising 'low dynamic range' in
> the Exposure tab - You should get a good result.  If not, post a set of
> these nine photos and someone here will try and stitch them.

The photo's are available, but sadly there is a tiny problem with the
white balance, so they are not yet equal. If you want to give it a shot,
I can post them somewhere.


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[hugin-ptx] 360 panorama's

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Hi,


I was able to compile the lastest sources. I have a strange issue; I
have 8 images, from an aligned camera setting. Sadly Hugin gets heavily
frustrated if I have keypoints that matches the beginning and the end of
the image. Is there a way to actually have Hugin panorama 'enabled'?

When I remove the keypoints between an image pair so that I have just a
wide view, I select cylindrical. From that I see that the alignment in
the preview (and afterwards) is not actually transforming the image:






Does anyone have a good tip how to make a template for this camera? Next
to that, is there a way to make Hugin or enfuse to equalize whitebalance?


Thanks!

Stefan


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Re: [hugin-ptx] Compiling HG fails

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Op 10-07-10 23:16, Bruno Postle schreef:
> On Sat 10-Jul-2010 at 22:34 +0200, Stefan de Konink wrote:
>> fout: ?queryFOVLimits? was not declared in this scope
>> /mnt/dv/skinkie/hugin/src/hugin_base/panodata/PanoramaOptions.cpp: In
>> member function ?void
>> HuginBase::PanoramaOptions::resetProjectionParameters()?:
>> /mnt/dv/skinkie/hugin/src/hugin_base/panodata/PanoramaOptions.cpp:229:
>> fout: ?struct pano_projection_parameter? has no member named ?defValue?
>> make[2]: ***
> 
> Do you have a recent libpano13 snapshot? i.e. 
> libpano13-2.9.17_beta2.tar.gz from the panotools project on sourceforge.

I'm pretty sure I don't have that :) Will try!

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[hugin-ptx] Compiling HG fails

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: facebook petition to FREE YOUR CAMERA SOFTWARE

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Op 21-01-10 22:09, Erik Krause schreef:

Am 19.01.2010 16:47, schrieb Jeffrey Martin | 360Cities.net:


http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=255145558995

to make it hopefully more effective, i've made this too
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDJGLXh3dEhvNFFNZXk0Z3c2WkJlNEE6MA


probably this will do nothing, maybe it will do something.

if anyone has tips or suggestions, i'm all ears!


I'm sure you know
http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Lantern_Firmware_Wiki


Do you know if there is any Nikon initiative? I have been searching for 
this very long...



Stefan

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Re: [OSM-Photos] [hugin-ptx] The serious wow software has been GPL'ed

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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Daniel Reetz wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Stefan de Konink  wrote:
>
> > Maybe you all remember Bundler[1] that was pretty nifty. I just stumbled
> > again on PMVS2[2] they have released their software now under the GPL.
>
> > [2] http://grail.cs.washington.edu/software/pmvs/
>
> On this page they say "This software should be used by computer
> vision/graphics engineers, and is not suitable for artists. If you are
> an artist and interested in 3D reconstruction from photographs, please
> visit Automatic Reconstruction Conduit or Photosynth.". What do you
> think they mean by this exactly? That it's not a replacement for
> programs like RealViz ImageModeler, or something else?

Like i mentioned; its PhD-ware, no fancy interfaces yet ;)


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[hugin-ptx] Re: The serious wow software has been GPL'ed

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Daniel Reetz schreef:
> Wow! Is there a good guide to getting it up and running somewhere??

Not yet tried. No time for it yet :) But this is on my todo list :)


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[hugin-ptx] The serious wow software has been GPL'ed

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Hi,


Maybe you all remember Bundler[1] that was pretty nifty. I just stumbled
again on PMVS2[2] they have released their software now under the GPL.

I wouldn't suggest all start to download it from the source, since it is
315MB large. Therefore for the Europeans I have mirrored it to the Dutch
OpenStreetMap mirror[3]. Also in 'source only version'.

This kind of software and academic research really opens up 3D
reconstruction from images; but usually this is PhD-ware, this means
that the crowd could really make it better or improve it in speed.


[1] http://phototour.cs.washington.edu/bundler/
[2] http://grail.cs.washington.edu/software/pmvs/
[3] http://mirror.openstreetmap.nl/sources/


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[hugin-ptx] Re: I just committed the following:

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Jim Watters schreef:
> If we want to build entire 3D environments so we can walk through it, 
> then yes, every plane must be identified.  And every edge of those 
> planes.  None of our automated CP generators can do that.  Although we 
> are getting line detection.  Maybe they can be combined?

And the bundler algorithm? That would basically gives you a pointcloud.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Aerial Photography Stitching

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Dale Beams schreef:
> One doesn't need to take at different heights if your "locking" in your
> height from ground to plane.  I live in the "Plains" and everything is flat.

Likewise here. But still if one blow of wind can take a quad copter
about 2 meters down. That *does* matter, optically.



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[hugin-ptx] Re: Aerial Photography Stitching

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Dale Beams schreef:
> There is software out there for model RC planes that will allow you to
> use an altimeter and get a constant height with a gps combo  It'll fly a
> grid pattern as well.

Yeah right, does that 'software out there' also stitch photo's taken
from different altitudes?


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Aerial Photography Stitching

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Pablo d'Angelo schreef:
> Do you have a procedure that works nicely for the large amount of image? 

Next to just adding them to Hugin and per photo stitching we don't have it.


But I saw your last email and I wonder:

 How did you solve the altitude difference? Because we have many
 problems with that. If in one flight different altitudes were flown
 hugin really can't stitch it.


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Aerial Photography Stitching

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Matt Williams schreef:
> Hey Stefan. I was wondering when you might turn up.

I have posted bounties on this list for increasing documentation and for
features ;) So I turned up well before you ;)

> I guessed you
> don't read talk...@osm.org but I knew you were working on stuff in
> this area. From what I could tell, you haven't made much progress with
> processing the images yet (although I do like the quadcopter thing
> :D). If I'm mistaken or if you could be of help with the Stratford
> Imagery it would be much appreciated. I haven't been able to find any
> mailing list discussions of your work.

We did; we have a rectifying program, and like I posted before I was
pointed myself to efoto. From there on we can use qgis and mapserver for
final positioning. Come and idle in #osp on oftc ;)

> In the mean time, I've found that some people have started a project
> based on Orfeo-toolbox for simplifying the workflow and it sounds like
> it could be useful for our purpose, they even mention OpenStreetMap
> (http://wiki.orfeo-toolbox.org/index.php/Monteverdi).

I guess we should all focus on implementations that already exist?

> Perhaps we'd do well to take this discussion to an OSM list of some
> kind (maybe 'photos@' or 'talk@')?

Also a possibility.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Aerial Photography Stitching

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Matt Williams schreef:
> 2009/9/22 Oskar Sander :
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> If you experiment on this further, it would be really sweet if you did a
>> tutorial writeup here even if it doesn't work out perfect right now.
> 
> I absolutely will. This won't be the last time that OSM hire a plane
> for some aerial photography and so it's important that we find a
> decent way of doing it.

Thats why we got money for http://www.openstreetphoto.org/ see our blog:
http://blog.opengeo.nl/ We have two aircrafts and get two more, this
time 3 meter wide electro-gliders :)


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[hugin-ptx] Re: efoto

[Stefan de Konink]

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Rogier Wolff schreef:
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:48:02AM +0200, Oskar Sander wrote:
> 
>> Anyone here know of any activity with this project though?  I was
>> eying this a few months ago, but activity seems to have ceased on
>> this site since a while unfortunately. WWWfossile?
> 
> It looks as if a professor uses this and enancements to it as
> graduation projects for his students. So all of them end up graduating
> and getting jobs after finishing their part. Very likely to die off.

That doesn't limit the community to get in contact? When I saw the
youtube video's I think this is a great addition to what people can do
with Hugin.


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[hugin-ptx] Re: efoto

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michael crane schreef:
> crashes my browser I'm afraid.

My firefox doesn't have problems with the above :)

But it seems their code is on sourceforge:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/e-foto/files/E-FOTO%200.1/


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[hugin-ptx] efoto

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Hi All,


One of the Leica users pointed me at the following site:

http://www.efoto.eng.uerj.br/doku.php?id=en:start


And I think that if you like Hugin, you might wanna add that one also to
your toolchain :)


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[hugin-ptx] Re: I would like to have some features, and I have money for it.

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Seb Perez-D schreef:
> I though this was somewhat already there with the "Other" line type, t3
> - you can manually add point that are on the same straight line but not
> on the same picture.

Where I can find the other line type? I see normal, vertical and horizontal.


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[hugin-ptx] Re: I would like to have some features, and I have money for it.

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Hey James,

James Legg schreef:
>> - Show the keypoints in the example window - 25 euro
> I created a patch that might do what you want:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2776284&group_id=77506&atid=550443
> I did this in April however, so it doesn't qualify for your bounty.

Thanks for mentioning this. I have applied this patch to trunk (with the
minor update to the rejection) now strugling with cmake and WxWidgets. I
see on sourceforge there is actually a comment about improving your patch.

If you improve it, imho you can apply :)


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Fast Preview Window; has anyone else experienced this?

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Essi schreef:
> Yesterday I built hugin 0.8.0 from source on Ubuntu 9.04 according to
> the instructions on panotools wiki. Every thing works as expected
> apart from the Fast Preview Window. The gui seems to have some sort of
> a bug that makes it to lose either the entire preview image or bits of
> it. The image comes back when I click on any of the buttons like "All"
> or "Fit". The Preview Window also gets mixed up with other windows
> under it on some occasions which is solved by minimising/maximising.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced these problems? It's not a show stopper
> but it certainly is frustrating and reduces the usability of this
> great tool.

I have experienced the same regarding to the the keypoint selection
window when going fullscreen I have lost the images. Sadly bad reproducable.

Also a segmentation fault in the latest version when pressing optimise.
Couldn't reproduce that consistently too. So I'm now running in GDB to
see if I can find it.


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[hugin-ptx] I would like to have some features, and I have money for it.

[Stefan de Konink]

Hi,


I know this e-mail has been send to you all way too late, I kind of
refuse not to send it. I'm in a project that has a money grant till 28
August. I would like to place some bounties for talks that must be
finished before them. It is an one time offer, you don't have to take
it :)

Rules of the game:
 - its a bounty, feature must not exist already in development trunk
or stable version.
 - transaction MUST be completed before 28 of August.
 - I would require an IBAN+BIC number to transfer it to your
bankaccount.
 - It would be nice to get the features into Hugin, I can understand
that 4 days to polish code is too short,
   but at least make it in such a way that it can get into inclusion
shape.
 - That also means license it in such a way it can be included.
 - Please announce you are working on a thing, I don't want do do
first come first serve stuff.
 - If all items are taken, I can easily provide some other things that
could be useful aswel.


Features that I would really want from usability perspective:
- Show the horizontal and vertical lines that are drawn between to
matching photos inside the viewer - 25 euro
- Show the keypoints in the example window - 25 euro
- Share user entered controllpoints between images - 25 euro


Features that I really need for correcting aerial imagery:
- Improve the correction for near and far imagery example:
http://blog.opengeo.nl/uploads/2009/08/temppano.jpg - 50 euro
- Allow controlpoints to be entered in global 2D parameters, aka the
ability to click and type a GPS point - 50 euro
- Additional provide these coordinates in the example view when moving
the mouse - 25 euro
- Additional provide a world file export (or GeoTiff) with the corner
coordinates - 25 euro


Features that I know other people want:
- Do true image rectification within Hugin; 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homography
100 euro - (OpenCV code is available from my side)
- Create control *lines* between two imagines, for example if a
straight road is available but the photo's are non-overlapping or
difficult to enter features on. Automatically find lines
(Houghtransform)  or manually enter lines (like horizontal/vertical
now) that can be used as parameters to move a photo along and/or
transform the image for placement. - 150 euro



This will be funded by the Dutch registered non-profit foundation
Stichting OpenGeo, which has a grant via the Digital Pioneers for the
OpenStreetPhoto project. If you have questions you know my e-mail
adres now, questions regarding the tasks or pointing me at 'all ready
there' can be done by the mailinglist.

I want to strongy point out that I am really limited to the deadline,
and I wish someone else already had picked this up in the beginning of
the month.


Stefan de Konink
Treasurer of Stichting OpenGeo

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