Re: [hugin-ptx] Big list of suggestions

2011-02-27 Thread Rogier Wolff

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 07:35:50PM -0500, Yuval Levy wrote:
> > - I would like to be able to move/resize the overall view under
> > the "Preview" and "Layout" tabs with the mouse (ie. not
> > with the sliders).
> 
> Why, if I may ask?  And how would you like the mouse to behave?

When examining a preview, you would like to have a quick overview
look.  Then you notice a detail, zoom in on the detail, zoom back
out. repeat.

You want to be able to leave you hand on the mouse while you look
here, there. All this would be preferred if it can be done with "big
gestures" instead of having to exactly click on scrollbars etc.

That's the "why". Now the how. :-)

Most programs have a "click-to-drag" and a "scroll-to-zoom"
configuration. That'd be nice. One program I often use has middle
click to drag and another uses leftclick to drag. Annoying. But both
these are easy to find if you leave your hand on your mouse, and can
be operated with the eyes "on the image" instead of "on the
mousepointer"...
  
> > - I don't know how to adjust the scale of the images in the overview
> > window (they seem too big in my project).
 
> There should not be a need to scale the images in the overview
> window.  That's their size, shape, position in relation to the
> panosphere.  If they seem to big, the project is not properly
> aligned / optimized.

I think he's looking for the pano-fov parameters. Try "fit" or adjust
the fov parameters on the "stitch" tab.

Roger. 

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Big list of suggestions

2011-02-26 Thread Yuval Levy
Hi,

On February 26, 2011 01:35:53 pm William Sherman wrote:
> So I have several little things that I noticed

thank you for taking the time to note down your observation, well explained, 
categorized, and mostly pertinent.

> --
> Image list tab:
> 
> - Some of the screenshots for show thumbnails in the image list.
>   I think this is good, but I don't see them in the versions
>   I'm using.

Do you mean a thumbnail for every line in the list?  or the thumbnail for the 
selected image?  I see the thumbnail for the selected image.

 
> - The text entry boxes in the "Image Orientation" area (which
>   btw might better be called the "Image Position" area
>   since it covers both orientation and location) are too
>   small -- especially for negative numbers (ie. can't see
>   the entire number).

Done.  Please check if it needs even larger field size.

 
> - Place the larger view of the selected image less far to the
>   right (right now I have to make the Hugin window nearly
>   full-screen just to see the image).  Two quick ways to
>   do this would be to:
>   - move the "Create control points" button to be aligned
>   with the "Settings" and "Points per Overlap"
>   widgets:

Done.

>   - shorted the size of the settings pull-down options list

If I am not mistaken the length of that pull-down list is determined by the 
string entered in the preferences, which in turn is user-changeable.  The 
default names are long / descriptive.
 
> Bug: the selected image view doesn't redraw when the window size
>   is changed.

Please file in the tracker.

 
> - Is there an argument I can pass to CPFind to increase the gamma
>   that it uses when doing a comparison?

Not that I know of.  Please file feature request in the tracker.


> --
> Control points tab:
> 
> - I would like the ability to set a gamma value for the entire image
>   in the comparison image views.

Please file feature request in the tracker.


> - Can there be a button to cancel a control point creation operation?


hit the Delete button.  Works at any stage of the creation.  Tested on the 
most recent snapshot a few minutes ago, Kubuntu 10.4 LTS.


> - Is there (or can there be) a way to create control points only
>   between the two images shown?

This is actually in the Images tab.  CTRL-click on the images in the list and 
hit the button to generate CPs only between the selected images (the one you 
asked me to move).

 
> - Can the colors of the control point markers also be placed in a
>   new column on the left of the point list?

Please file a feature request in the tracker.

> --
> Preview window:
> 
> - I'd like a preference to set the background color of the preview
>   window to be something other than black.When working with
>   nighttime featureless images, it can be hard to find them
>   with a black background.

Make sense.  Please file a feature request in the tracker.

 
> - the "Scale" value of the "Layout" tab doesn't get set properly
>   when going to another tab and then returning to "Layout".

Please file a bug report in the tracker.  I could see it as well: the images 
are drawn to default scale rather than to the selected scale in the slider.

 
> - the sliders on the main preview window seem to be counter-intuitive

The slider set the field of view of the panorama.  I suspect you are using 
them as a zoom function.  Use the mouse wheel in a 2010.5 snapshot instead.


> - I would like to be able to move/resize the overall view under
>   the "Preview" and "Layout" tabs with the mouse (ie. not
>   with the sliders).

Why, if I may ask?  And how would you like the mouse to behave?

 
> -
> Preview window (2010.5.0 version):
> Bug: the image toggle boxes are only big enough to see one digit of
>   the image number.

This is already in the bug tracker IIRC.

 
> - I can't raise the overall Panorama Preview window to be on top of
>   the Overview window (when that window is torn off from the
>   main window).

Why would you want to do so?  note that you can show/hide the overview with 
the button next to the list of the displayed images.

 
> - The "grid" checkbox on the Ovewview window controls the display
>   of the grid in the primary preview window

Indeed it does.  Where would you put this control?

 
> - I don't know how to adjust the scale of the images in the overview
>   window (they seem too big in my project).

There should not be a need to scale the images in the overview window.  That's 
their size, shape, position in relation to the panosphere.  If they seem to 
big, the project is not properly aligned / optimized.

 
> - Selecting the "Thoby projection" from the pull-down menu in the
>   "Projection" tab went off to do the calculations and three
>   days later had not completed (yes, I didn't get back

Re: [hugin-ptx] Big list of suggestions

2011-02-26 Thread Bruno Postle

On Sat 26-Feb-2011 at 13:35 -0500, William Sherman wrote:


So I have several little things that I noticed, and that I
think would help my workflow in using Hugin.  I offer these
not as complaints, but as ways that will increase my desire
to continue using Hugin for my panorama projects.


Hi Bill, thanks these are some useful bug reports and should be 
added as bugs in the tracker (though search to make sure they don't 
already exist first).


Some comments below:


- Some of the screenshots for show thumbnails in the image list.


Can you point to these? it could be you are seeing a file browser 
window or the Add Images dialog which shows thumbnails (depending on 
OS).



- Is there an argument I can pass to CPFind to increase the gamma
that it uses when doing a comparison?


Potentially the existing camera response parameters in the cpfind 
input file could be used to map the images to linear space for 
matching (this would be similar to gamma correction), but without 
some testing I'm not sure how useful this would be.



Control points tab:

- I would like the ability to set a gamma value for the entire image
in the comparison image views.  Actually, this request is
broader than control points, I'd like to see it in the mask
view and even on the selected image view on the Image tab.


Hugin needs to be changed to display photos properly using colour 
profiles, this would be something related to that.



- Is there (or can there be) a way to create control points only
between the two images shown?


You can select two or more photos in the Images tab and generate 
points for just those photos.



- the sliders on the main preview window seem to be counter-intuitive
(at least I have a difficult time using them).


Basically, the preview window doesn't have any zoom functionality. 
The sliders are changing the field of view of the output panorama 
canvas, which is not quite the same thing.  There is a feature 
request in the tracker somewhere for zooming.



- I can't raise the overall Panorama Preview window to be on top of
the Overview window (when that window is torn off from the
main window).


It is an over-view, I think this is intentional.

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[hugin-ptx] Big list of suggestions

2011-02-26 Thread William Sherman

Hello,

So I have several little things that I noticed, and that I
think would help my workflow in using Hugin.  I offer these
not as complaints, but as ways that will increase my desire
to continue using Hugin for my panorama projects.

As an FYI, I've tested on a Fedora 11 w/ Hugin 2010.4.0 and
a Fedora 14 system w/ Hugin 2010.5.0 from 2/22/2011 mercurial
snapshot.

I'll do my best to categorize the list since and make it
more readable.

--
Image list tab:

- Some of the screenshots for show thumbnails in the image list.
I think this is good, but I don't see them in the versions
I'm using.

- The text entry boxes in the "Image Orientation" area (which
btw might better be called the "Image Position" area
since it covers both orientation and location) are too
small -- especially for negative numbers (ie. can't see
the entire number).

- Place the larger view of the selected image less far to the
right (right now I have to make the Hugin window nearly
full-screen just to see the image).  Two quick ways to
do this would be to:
- move the "Create control points" button to be aligned
with the "Settings" and "Points per Overlap"
widgets:
- shorted the size of the settings pull-down options list

Bug: the selected image view doesn't redraw when the window size
is changed.

- Is there an argument I can pass to CPFind to increase the gamma
that it uses when doing a comparison?  Actually, I guess
it might not truly need this since it has the raw numbers,
but I did a test where I increased the gamma in all my
images, and CPFind did a better job of finding matching
points, so it would seem that a gamma argument could have
value.

--
Control points tab:

- I would like the ability to set a gamma value for the entire image
in the comparison image views.  Actually, this request is
broader than control points, I'd like to see it in the mask
view and even on the selected image view on the Image tab.

- Can there be a button to cancel a control point creation operation?
There is an "Add" button, of course, when working with control
points, I don't know how to get rid of a "new" control point
that I don't want other than to "Add" it and then immediately
"Delete" it.

- Is there (or can there be) a way to create control points only
between the two images shown?

- Can the colors of the control point markers also be placed in a
new column on the left of the point list?


--
Preview window:

- I'd like a preference to set the background color of the preview
window to be something other than black.  When working with
nighttime featureless images, it can be hard to find them
with a black background.

- the "Scale" value of the "Layout" tab doesn't get set properly
when going to another tab and then returning to "Layout".

- the sliders on the main preview window seem to be counter-intuitive
(at least I have a difficult time using them).  Perhaps this
is because I'm been testing with super-high-res panorams
rather than high FOV images) -- I have to move both sliders
way to the right and the top to zoom in sufficiently to see
anything.

- I would like to be able to move/resize the overall view under
the "Preview" and "Layout" tabs with the mouse (ie. not
with the sliders).

-
Preview window (2010.5.0 version):
Bug: the image toggle boxes are only big enough to see one digit of
the image number.

- I can't raise the overall Panorama Preview window to be on top of
the Overview window (when that window is torn off from the
main window).

- The "grid" checkbox on the Ovewview window controls the display
of the grid in the primary preview window

- I don't know how to adjust the scale of the images in the overview
window (they seem too big in my project).

- Selecting the "Thoby projection" from the pull-down menu in the
"Projection" tab went off to do the calculations and three
days later had not completed (yes, I didn't get back to my
home computer for three days and found it still calculating).
So, a way to interrupt/cancel this would be good -- as well
as fixing what is probably a bug.

---

Of course, those are mostly orthogonal to my original issue (which I
haven't created a good solution yet) of doing an alignment based on
the robotically generated positions of each image capture.  But looking
to when I'll be using Hugin more regularly, these issues will be most
helpful.

I hope that list isn't too overwhelming!

Thanks,
Bill

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