Re: [hugin-ptx] New to hugin - panoramic image seems to not have blended properly

2017-03-16 Thread Carl von Einem 

Hi Maeve,

On 12.03.17 17:29, Maeve Power wrote:

Hi, I am completely new to hugin and after following steps gathered from
multiple tutorials i have created a panorama but there are sections of
it that are blurry. I don't understand why, as it doesn't seem to happen
at every image overlap.

Again I am completely new to this so sorry if I don't sound very
knowledgable but if anyone can explain why this is that would be great.
And if more information is needed please let me know.


from the information you give I suspect that you suffer from a typical 
problem that beginners have: a large number of tutorials of which a 
certain number is completely outdated (our fault); and the urge to take 
all steps at once. Take your time and start with easier panoramas than 
one full spherical from a room.


Enblend was mentioned a few times in this thread. From having a look at 
your image I suspect you changed the blender to "internal" (verdandi), 
likely with the new "soft" option. Right?


Yes, we need more information from you:

About your camera / lens setup; do you use a pano head and tripod; have 
you understood and followed the steps to find the no parallax point 
(NPP) of your lens


What was your workflow:
- You seem to use JPGs, do you know about (is your camera capable of) 
shooting and working with RAW images? Your images btw suffer from color 
fringes which can be corrected during the whole process.
- Your file name ends with fused which tells me that you just clicked on 
some output option in the stitcher tab. Please describe your steps in 
Hugin, your computer platform, which version of Hugin do you use.

- Which user mode do you use (standard, advanced, expert)?

Did you already have a look at the tutorials section of the panotools 
wiki at ? It has some nice articles about 
first steps and basic concepts. You can also use it as a glossary for 
all the special terms used for this technique.


I always recommend not to start with a full spherical panorama taken in 
a room with lots of close features and complicated patterns at the floor 
and at the ceiling. Better go outside and look for a spot with some 
buildings around you. Take one complete horizontal row of images, all 
overlapping about 30% and covering the complete 360 degrees from left to 
right. This set of photos can be used to calibrate your lens (have a 
look at the wiki or use Hugins integrated help: search for "lens 
correction model" -> scroll down to "Determine lens correction"), check 
the quality of your panohead setup regarding the correct NPP, make 
yourself familiar with the concept of (look up ->) "vertical control 
points" (to align your panorama no matter if the tripod is set up in an 
exactly vertical position).


And please scale down panoramas you send to the list as some list 
members may use slow internet connections or check their mails on a 
mobile device. Better upload your image(s) to some online service and 
just send us the link.


You could send us your project file though (the one ending with .pto).

Cheers,
Carl

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Re: [hugin-ptx] New to hugin - panoramic image seems to not have blended properly

2017-03-14 Thread Carlos Eduardo G. Carvalho (Cartola) 
As Greg I also think I have seen this before. Did you use any mask? Did you
change the blender or any of its parameter?

Maybe you can also try to change the blender, like using multiblend.


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2017-03-12 13:29 GMT-03:00 Maeve Power :

> Hi, I am completely new to hugin and after following steps gathered from
> multiple tutorials i have created a panorama but there are sections of it
> that are blurry. I don't understand why, as it doesn't seem to happen at
> every image overlap.
>
> Again I am completely new to this so sorry if I don't sound very
> knowledgable but if anyone can explain why this is that would be great. And
> if more information is needed please let me know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Maeve
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Re: Fwd: [hugin-ptx] New to hugin - panoramic image seems to not have blended properly

2017-03-13 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey 
On Monday, 13 March 2017 at 11:24:08 -0600, Donald Johnston wrote:
> On March 12, 2017 at 6:33:39 PM CST, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" wrote:
>> On Sunday, 12 March 2017 at 17:22:32 -0600, dgjohnston wrote:
>>
>>> Is it one particular overlap? Possibly you have bad control 
>>> points?Is it one particular overlap? Possibly you have bad 
>>> control points?Try the edit-fine-tune all control 
>>> points. Then use f3 to list all control points and click on the distance 
>>> tab to sort. Are some distances way below .80?
>>
>> No, look at the image.  The control points are OK.
>
> I see no image in the email I receive.

It was there.  In case of doubt, look at it online at
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/hugin-ptx/p3vwK4EHV6A 

> Wouldn???t minor
> mis-alignments create what looked like an out of focus image?

Take a look and I think you'll agree that this isn't the case here.

>>> Sent from my 029 
>>> Keypunch.
>>
>> Now that I doubt.  But it would be nice if you would send your
>> messages in plain text.
>
> You know what an 029 is then?

Better than I care to remember.

> And I have no idea why the email had all that fancy text. It was
> from my Samsung cell phone.

That sounds like the answer.

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Fwd: [hugin-ptx] New to hugin - panoramic image seems to not have blended properly

2017-03-13 Thread Donald Johnston 

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" 
> Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] New to hugin - panoramic image seems to not have 
> blended properly
> Date: March 12, 2017 at 6:33:39 PM CST
> To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
> Reply-To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
> 
> On Sunday, 12 March 2017 at 17:22:32 -0600, dgjohnston wrote:
> 
>> Is it one particular overlap? Possibly you have bad control 
>> points?Is it one particular overlap? Possibly you have bad 
>> control points?Try the edit-fine-tune all control 
>> points. Then use f3 to list all control points and click on the distance tab 
>> to sort. Are some distances way below .80?
> 
> No, look at the image.  The control points are OK.

I see no image in the email I receive. Wouldn’t minor mis-alignments create 
what looked like an out of focus image?

> 
>> Sent from my 029 
>> Keypunch.
> 
> Now that I doubt.  But it would be nice if you would send your
> messages in plain text.

You know what an 029 is then?  And I have no idea why the email had all that 
fancy text. It was from my Samsung cell phone. This email is from my Mac.

Don

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Re: [hugin-ptx] New to hugin - panoramic image seems to not have blended properly

2017-03-12 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey 
On Sunday, 12 March 2017 at 17:22:32 -0600, dgjohnston wrote:

> Is it one particular overlap? Possibly you have bad control 
> points?Is it one particular overlap? Possibly you have bad control 
> points?Try the edit-fine-tune all control points. 
> Then use f3 to list all control points and click on the distance tab to sort. 
> Are some distances way below .80?

No, look at the image.  The control points are OK.

> Sent from my 029 
> Keypunch.

Now that I doubt.  But it would be nice if you would send your
messages in plain text.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] New to hugin - panoramic image seems to not have blended properly

2017-03-12 Thread dgjohnston 


Is it one particular overlap? Possibly you have bad control points?Try the edit-fine-tune all control points. Then use f3 to list all control points and click on the distance tab to sort. Are some distances way below .80?Don JohnstonSent from my 029 Keypunch. Original message From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey  Date: 2017-03-12  4:55 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] New to hugin - panoramic image seems to not have blended properly On Sunday, 12 March 2017 at  9:29:33 -0700, Maeve Power wrote:> Hi, I am completely new to hugin and after following steps gathered from> multiple tutorials i have created a panorama but there are sections of it> that are blurry. I don't understand why, as it doesn't seem to happen at> every image overlap.Hmm, interesting.  I've seen this kind of effect before, but I forgetwhy.  Could it be that you have used different exposures for eachimage?  It could be that enblend is having difficulties adjusting theexposure.The other thing you could try would be a few more overlaps.Greg--Sent from my desktop computer.Finger groog...@gmail.com for PGP public key.See complete headers for address and phone numbers.This message is digitally signed.  If your Microsoft mail programreports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA-- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/20170312225525.GS76618%40eureka.lemis.com.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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Re: [hugin-ptx] New to hugin - panoramic image seems to not have blended properly

2017-03-12 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey 
On Sunday, 12 March 2017 at  9:29:33 -0700, Maeve Power wrote:
> Hi, I am completely new to hugin and after following steps gathered from
> multiple tutorials i have created a panorama but there are sections of it
> that are blurry. I don't understand why, as it doesn't seem to happen at
> every image overlap.

Hmm, interesting.  I've seen this kind of effect before, but I forget
why.  Could it be that you have used different exposures for each
image?  It could be that enblend is having difficulties adjusting the
exposure.

The other thing you could try would be a few more overlaps.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] New to Hugin, I need Workflow Help

2016-08-02 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey 
[resequenced]

On Tuesday,  2 August 2016 at  1:51:45 -0700, Andy S wrote:
> On Monday, August 1, 2016 at 4:04:37 AM UTC-7, markku...@iki.fi wrote:
>>
>> 1.8.2016, 3:24, Andy S kirjoitti:
>>
>>> I can only get Hugin to align & stitch my horizontal Pano shots.
>>> As soon as I introduce my 45 degree spherical shots it struggles
>>> to align them or find control points.
>>
>> Is your panorama head correctly calibrated for both vertical and
>> horizontal rotation? See: http://www.johnhpanos.com/epcalib.htm
>> Note that a zoom lens must be calibrated separately for each focal
>> length setting you intend to use.
>>
>> Is there sufficient overlap between rows? Is there enough image details
>> in the overlap area, not just blank sky?
>
> The pano head I feel is 90% calibrated.  I did do a quick
> calibration for parallax, but I don't think its perfect.
>
> At this point I'm sticking with the kit lens (18-55mm) and shooting
> at 18mm with it.  I found a guide specific for that lens that seems
> to work.

That will give you the relationship between the entrance pupil (z
axis), but not the x and y axes.

> check out the sample I posted.

What I see there are:

- It looks like a 3 row pano.

- The middle row seems OK.  This suggests that your z axis adjustment
  is good enough.

- The black areas are where you have no coverage at all.  So though
  your coverage may overlap in the middle, it's not overlapping in the
  corners.

- The bottom row has serious alignment issues.  That suggests to me
  that your lens is offset either from the x axis (axis of the main
  rotator), or (more likely) from the y axis (axis of the horizontal
  rotator).  It seems that MCE doesn't get too worried about these
  things, but the Hugin control point detectors don't want to know.
  You could add control points manually, but it would be better to
  address the cause.  Take a look specifically at
  http://www.johnhpanos.com/epcalib.htm (mentioned above) just before
  section 4.

I suspect that you'll get considerably better results next time
round.  If you don't, post the images (original size, with EXIF data)
somewhere and I'm sure a number of us will take a look.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] New to Hugin, I need Workflow Help

2016-08-02 Thread Terry Duell 

Hello Andy,

On Tue, 02 Aug 2016 18:45:06 +1000, Andy S  wrote:

Images are outdoors from a wooden deck and indoors from a fairly sized  
well

lit room.

The deck has trees and neighborhood view.  Indoors it just my home office
with a vaulted ceiling.

The problem I think is there is too many options in Hugin. I tried all  
the different control point detectors, but it would help if I knew what  
their

strengths and weakness where.



Difficult to know why you are having problems with Hugin on this project.
We might be able to give you some pointers if we had access to the project.
Is it possible for you to make the images available via Dropbox or similar  
service?
There are not many projects that can't be stitched with Hugin, if driven  
properly.


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Re: [hugin-ptx] New to Hugin, I need Workflow Help

2016-08-02 Thread Andy S 
The pano head I feel is 90% calibrated.  I did do a quick calibration for 
parallax, but I don't think its perfect.

At this point I'm sticking with the kit lens (18-55mm) and shooting at 18mm 
with it.  I found a guide specific for that lens that seems to work.

I will take more time to dial in the nodal ninja with the lens.  when the 
pano head came in I rushed a bit out of excitement.

check out the sample I posted.

On Monday, August 1, 2016 at 4:04:37 AM UTC-7, markku...@iki.fi wrote:
>
> 1.8.2016, 3:24, Andy S kirjoitti: 
> > I can only get Hugin to align & stitch my horizontal Pano shots.  As 
> soon 
> > as I introduce my 45 degree spherical shots it struggles to align them 
> or 
> > find control points. 
>
> Is your panorama head correctly calibrated for both vertical and 
> horizontal rotation? See: http://www.johnhpanos.com/epcalib.htm 
> Note that a zoom lens must be calibrated separately for each focal 
> length setting you intend to use. 
>
> Is there sufficient overlap between rows? Is there enough image details 
> in the overlap area, not just blank sky? 
>
>

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Re: [hugin-ptx] New to Hugin, I need Workflow Help

2016-08-01 Thread Markku Kolkka 
1.8.2016, 3:24, Andy S kirjoitti:
> I can only get Hugin to align & stitch my horizontal Pano shots.  As soon 
> as I introduce my 45 degree spherical shots it struggles to align them or 
> find control points.

Is your panorama head correctly calibrated for both vertical and
horizontal rotation? See: http://www.johnhpanos.com/epcalib.htm
Note that a zoom lens must be calibrated separately for each focal
length setting you intend to use.

Is there sufficient overlap between rows? Is there enough image details
in the overlap area, not just blank sky?

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Re: [hugin-ptx] New to Hugin, I need Workflow Help

2016-07-31 Thread Terry Duell 

Hello Andy,

On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 10:24:46 +1000, Andy S  wrote:

[snip]



Here is where I'm having trouble:


I can only get Hugin to align & stitch my horizontal Pano shots.  As soon
as I introduce my 45 degree spherical shots it struggles to align them or
find control points.



A couple of suggestions, not knowing the real nature of your images these  
may or may not be of any help.

Have you looked at the cpfind options, e.g --fullscale?
Also, which version of cpfind? In File -> Preferences -> Control Point  
Detectors you will have "Hugin's CPFind (Default)" but also "CPFind  
(multirow/stacked)" which may be helpful to your particular case.
If none of this helps, and you don't get a good solution from others, it  
may be helpful of you could provide a few of your images (just enough to  
show the problem) via Dropbox or similar, so we can get a better idea of  
what is going wrong.


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[hugin-ptx] New to Hugin, I need Workflow Help

2016-07-31 Thread Andy S 
I've been creating Panos and 360 spherical's with for some time using my 
phone and Google Street view.  I decided to to take it up a notch and 
utilize my dusty DSLR to create the images instead.

Here is my gear:

   - Canon T3i
   - Optics: 18-55mm, 75-300mm & 50mm Macro lenses
   - Nodal Ninja 4 w/ RD16 rotator
   - Manfrotto 190XB Tripod
   - Canon Remote Shutter controller

I decided to give Hugin a shot because I've been reading its pretty 
powerful and its free.


What I've done so far:



   - I've taken a series of stacked pictures using the 18-55 lens indoor 
   and outdoor.
   - The pictures have 20-30% overlap
   - I've imported them into the latest version Hugin (Windows Vista 64bit)
   - Hugin detects the pics and adjust exposure

Here is where I'm having trouble:


I can only get Hugin to align & stitch my horizontal Pano shots.  As soon 
as I introduce my 45 degree spherical shots it struggles to align them or 
find control points.


Here is what I've tried:



   1. Manually creating control points between the stacked sets
   2. Stitching 1 row at a time
   3. Feature matching and optimization 
   4. Reading user guide and watching online tutorials
   5. Joining Google forum

Can someone point me to a good online resource or share some tips on how to 
make this work?  The more I look into Hugin, the more options and features 
I find and I have a hard time deciphering which to pick.  Also, not sure if 
I need to do something special in Hugin because of the lens type I'm 
using.  I know most use fisheye, but I don't own one yet.  I don't mind 
doing the extra work and learning more about this.


Thanks,

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[hugin-ptx] New to Hugin

2008-10-09 Thread Marcus 

Hi.
I'm used to stitching with both PTMac and PTGui, but out of interest I
decided to give Hugin a try. Downloaded v0.7.0 and it all looks very
intuitative. I loaded some images taken with a 10.5 fisheye on a Nikon
D2X which I successfully stitched in PTGui, just as a test.
No joy at all!
In 'Assistant' tab I enter 'Full frame fisheye' and 10.5 focal length
and 1.5 multiplier.
Press 'Align' and it runs through the control point selection process
and comes up with a mess. (132 CPs with "very bad fit Optimizer might
have failed")
It also decides to change the lens to 10.25
Fallen at the first hurdle it seems. I'll stick to the software I know
but if anyone can get me started it would be good to know. Its just
annoying!
Thanks,

Marcus

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