Re: [hugin-ptx] Offensive behaviour (was: BigTIFF)
Bruno, Thanks for the context and history. I have to say that while I find Hugin a great tool, it's often more difficult to use than it seems like it should be. (A lot of the interface is very difficult to understand without a good understanding of what's going on in the background, IMO.) Some of the discussions here about usability have also run into problem that there aren't many developers capable of making the changes and, more to the point, those developers haven't agreed about the need for such changes. Without piling on here, I want to say that I'm grateful for Thomas' work on Hugin, and I'd urge him to take seriously the comments that repeatedly crop up here about the tone that his comments take...or at least the tone that others perceive in them. I suspect that some of that is due to language issues, but that certainly doesn't explain all of it. A grateful user, John -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/43650b23-9280-4c5a-a48f-ea4733fa6970%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [hugin-ptx] Offensive behaviour (was: BigTIFF)
I feel like I ought to respond to this. I agree that Thomas does sometimes react to criticisms of Hugin as personal attacks, and responds overly defensively in a way that isn't required, sometimes no response is required - the particular wiki page in discussion is something I created in a burst of enthusiasm and then failed to keep up-to-date - I'm very conscious that this page wastes people's time by listing all the tools without recommending which tools to use. Some history needs correcting: Hugin was pretty much moribund before Thomas joined. Pablo had stepped back, in part because being a sole maintainer wasn't much fun for him, we had a few successful Summer of Code projects, but these ran out of steam because there was nobody to manage them - do you see a pattern here? Though we would all love for free software to be a self-organising collaborative sharing experience, the reality of most free software projects is that one person is overburdened and does most of the work. Having said that, we would love to see more contributors, there is lots to do (I'm embarassed that there is a libpano13 release ready to go that should have been out years ago, maybe today). -- Bruno On Wed 19-Sep-2018 at 14:00 +1000, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: This is mainly addressed to Thomas Modes, but since it's not the first time I've seen him behave like this, I think it's time to come out in the open. On Tuesday, 18 September 2018 at 10:00:34 -0700, T. Modes wrote: Am Dienstag, 18. September 2018 05:46:34 UTC+2 schrieb Groogle: There is one at https://wiki.panotools.org/Panorama_scripting_in_a_nutshell, but it's horribly out of date. I've been meaning to update it, but I've always found something more rewarding to do. In particular, it makes reference to obsolete programs. Sorry, but is wrong. The main part with the description is up to date. The only one obsolete program in the main part is autopano-sift-c - but this is only shown as alternative; the mentioned main program cpfind is still part of Hugin. Sorry, but is wrong. I spent quite a bit of time going through this page a while back, and it contains numerous issues. Apart from autopano-sift-c, in the main text there are also references to autopano-sift, match-n-shift, ptoinfo, ptscluster, ptoclean, ptovariable and panostart, as well as to the pano.mk file that no longer exists. -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/20180922084728.GA7038%40postle.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[hugin-ptx] Offensive behaviour (was: BigTIFF)
This is mainly addressed to Thomas Modes, but since it's not the first time I've seen him behave like this, I think it's time to come out in the open. On Tuesday, 18 September 2018 at 10:00:34 -0700, T. Modes wrote: > Am Dienstag, 18. September 2018 05:46:34 UTC+2 schrieb Groogle: >> >> There is one at >> https://wiki.panotools.org/Panorama_scripting_in_a_nutshell, but it's >> horribly out of date. I've been meaning to update it, but I've always >> found something more rewarding to do. In particular, it makes >> reference to obsolete programs. > > Sorry, but is wrong. The main part with the description is up to > date. The only one obsolete program in the main part is > autopano-sift-c - but this is only shown as alternative; the > mentioned main program cpfind is still part of Hugin. Sorry, but is wrong. I spent quite a bit of time going through this page a while back, and it contains numerous issues. Apart from autopano-sift-c, in the main text there are also references to autopano-sift, match-n-shift, ptoinfo, ptscluster, ptoclean, ptovariable and panostart, as well as to the pano.mk file that no longer exists. In the "Full list of command-line [sic] tools", only 5 of the first 10 tools still exist. I also seem to recall that some of the options are also no longer relevant, though I could be wrong here. This list also contains the line: autopano - Keypoint matcher, part of autopano-sift-c and not to be confused with autopano Well, I'm confused. Beginners certainly will be. Maybe you have a different definition, but for me this is very out of date. I had intended to bring this page up to date. Based on this attack, you will understand that I am now disinclined to do so. It will remain out of date until somebody else who recognizes the problem also finds time and inclination to do something about it. > The next time be more precises what you are referring instead of > make such general and diffuse statements. Next time, before answering, check your facts. You come across as offensive and inaccurate, not for the first time. This attitude also greatly reduces people's willingness to cooperate in the project. A few years back a whole lot of people were involved in the project. Now you seem to be the only one. It would be easy to get the impression that your attitude has something to do with this. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger groog...@gmail.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/20180919040003.GU76566%40eureka.lemis.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
