[hugin-ptx] Re: Exhibition of "Hugin Pictures"
Hi Yuv On Mar 18, 10:00 pm, Yuval Levy wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Tom Sharpless wrote: > > I strongly endorse promoting art rather than technology. In which > > case it makes little sense to have categories. > > you will recognize your words on the beta site :) > > > I do have one pano I'd love to see at12 feet long (by perhaps 20 > > inches high), but it is an old slit-camera shot having nothing to do > > with any stitiching software, and I'd consider that ineligible. > > I'd like to bend the rule for your slit-camera shots. The process in > itself is art! > OK, I'll upload a couple for consideration. Regards, Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: Exhibition of "Hugin Pictures"
Hi Tom, Tom Sharpless wrote: > I strongly endorse promoting art rather than technology. In which > case it makes little sense to have categories. you will recognize your words on the beta site :) > I do have one pano I'd love to see at12 feet long (by perhaps 20 > inches high), but it is an old slit-camera shot having nothing to do > with any stitiching software, and I'd consider that ineligible. I'd like to bend the rule for your slit-camera shots. The process in itself is art! Yuv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: Exhibition of "Hugin Pictures"
allard wrote: > While we're at it, there could be a 'stitched with hugin' gallery on > the hugin homepage! Or did I miss it? This week's panorama is also an > option. currently the header of the hugin website is a random selection of panoramas. and there are flickr groups of all sorts. let's see what will turn out of the exhibition. I have experimented with an RSS feed from my site, but somehow I did not get it right on my.yahoo.com and it ended up very low on my priority list. could pick it up again. Yuv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: Exhibition of "Hugin Pictures"
Hi Yuv, A few shots from the hip... I strongly endorse promoting art rather than technology. In which case it makes little sense to have categories. The one picture per person rule also makes categories moot (but should guarantee good pictures). If anybody has a photo that can convincingly fill 48 square feet, I'd be happy to help pay for printing it. I do have one pano I'd love to see at12 feet long (by perhaps 20 inches high), but it is an old slit-camera shot having nothing to do with any stitiching software, and I'd consider that ineligible. Several photo apps (e.g. -- dare I say it? -- Photoshop) can assign color profiles to in-core images, so an embedded one not strictly necessary. But you do have to have some idea which would be appropriate. Cheers, Tom On Mar 10, 12:01 am, Yuval Levy wrote: > Thanks everybody for the comments, thoughts, suggestions and support > expressed. Keep them coming. > > Spinning further: > > David Haberthür wrote: > > I mostly stitch to PNG, where I don't know a think about color > > profile. These files are alredy quite big. I suspect the entry of TIFF > > files would be quite cumbersome. Is high quality PNG not suited as an > > alternative? > > I don't know if PNG can embed a color profile. My experience with > printing is that if there is no color profile attached, color gets > corrected by some auto-white-balance in the printer or somewhere along > the processing chain and the printout looks very different to the screen. > > That said, if you do want to risk color mismatches, it is probably > possible to technically accept popular formats such as PNG and JPG. > > > Cost of entry: Does that mean I (we) pay upfront for submission? Or is > > that the price once the best images are selected for print? > > the initial idea (still subject to change based on feedback here) would > be to print all images (it's one entry per person) on simple plain paper > for temporary exhibition at LGM (three days). Unless we find a sponsor > for the printing, it will be pay upfront for submission. The posters > will hang in public space without surveillance, so no guarantee can be > made about their status at the end of LGM (fingerprints, tape marks, > etc.) but if there is interest we could arrange for postal mailing to > the authors. > > >> 2. CATEGORIES > > >> I am not sure if it is a good idea to categorize pictures. but then > >> there is soo much that can be done with Hugin: > >> - extended depth of field > >> - gigapixel > >> - HDR > >> - extended FoV > >> - full spherical > > > What about HDR images which cover an extended FOV :) ? Maybe there > > could also be categories like "architectural", "nature", "art", > > "light", since as you say "so much can be done with Hugin" that your > > proposed categories overlap a bit. > > I am still not sure if it is a good idea or not to categorize pictures. > The pros of categorizations is that we could have competition winners in > different categories, makes it open for more sponsored prices. THe con > is that no categorization is perfect. Your proposed categories overlap a > bit too ;-) though they are sure more interesting / artistic as opposed > to my technical ones. In the end it boils down to comparing apples with > apples and oranges with oranges. If we want comparison at all. > > >> 3. PROCESS > > >> - A website will be set up where authors can upload their artwork > >> - the artwork will be exhibited in low resolution on the webiste > >> - the artwork will be printed once, on simple paper, for the temporary > >> exhibit > >> - no other use of the artwork will be made, the authors retail full > >> copyright > > > Or even sell/auction the artwork off to interested LGM > > participants/visitors? > > I don't know how much public we will get, and the idea is to print the > artwork on simple paper (at about 7$/sqft). Of course we could print it > on higher quality material (e.g. 40$/sqft. for canvas, excluding the > frame and the work of stretching it. Rolled canvas ships better than > stretched. > > I like the idea of the auction. We could live it up to the individual > contributor and just set up the infrastructure for this > (printing/shipping/handling). > > Tom Sharpless asked a few good questions: > > 1) maximum dimension of your prints? > > don't know. Would people feel comfortable with maximum 4ft tall and 12ft > wide (that's 121.9 x 365.8 cm)? any other ideas? > > > 2) could I just bring a print to Montreal instead? > > have not really considered this option. we will definitely need an > upload of the picture so that it can be displayed on the website. we'll > have to tag the prints, but this can be done on a separate sheet of > paper to avoid putting marks on the original print that may find a use > after LGM, assuming it survives. What I do not want is responsibility > for the prints, i.e. security and this sort of stuff. They will hang in > public space. > > > 3) must it strictly have been made with Hugin, or are o
[hugin-ptx] Re: Exhibition of "Hugin Pictures"
Good idea! While we're at it, there could be a 'stitched with hugin' gallery on the hugin homepage! Or did I miss it? This week's panorama is also an option. BTW, you can embed color profiles in JPGs as well. I don't think you really need tiffs for this purpose. But that depends on the printer. If there is need for a large dynamic range and the printer can handle it 16 bit tiff might be better. Allard > > I don't know if PNG can embed a color profile. My experience with > printing is that if there is no color profile attached, color gets > corrected by some auto-white-balance in the printer or somewhere along > the processing chain and the printout looks very different to the screen. > > That said, if you do want to risk color mismatches, it is probably > possible to technically accept popular formats such as PNG and JPG. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: Exhibition of "Hugin Pictures"
really nice idea! :-) On Mar 9, 2:37 am, Yuval Levy wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to test the waters before plunging into the following > initiative. > > May 6-9 is Libre Graphics Meeting in Montréal. The people behind many > open source imaging projects, including Hugin, will meet at a conference > bringing together artists and developer communities. > > It will take place at Université de Montréal, and I wanted to hang out > in the hallways some "Hugin pictures". > > Would you participate, contribute to a showcase of "Hugin pictures" with > the following characteristics (all work in progress and open for change > based on community feedback)? > > 1. ENTRIES > > - one entry per person. > - the entry must be a high resolution picture beyond what can be taken > with a common camera, i.e. ultra-wide FOV (>180° in one dimensions) or > very high resolution (>50 megapixels). > - entry must be in TIFF format with color profile attached. > - entries will be printed at 300 dpi > - cost of entry will cover for printing on simple paper to be hanged > during LGM (expected at about 7$/sqft). > > 2. CATEGORIES > > I am not sure if it is a good idea to categorize pictures. but then > there is soo much that can be done with Hugin: > - extended depth of field > - gigapixel > - HDR > - extended FoV > - full spherical > > all images must be flat - no VR display. > > 3. PROCESS > > - A website will be set up where authors can upload their artwork > - the artwork will be exhibited in low resolution on the webiste > - the artwork will be printed once, on simple paper, for the temporary > exhibit > - no other use of the artwork will be made, the authors retail full > copyright > > 4. COMPETITION > > I am not sure how people would feel about: > - a best entry (per category) judged by expert panel > - a most popular entry (per category) voted by LGM-attending public > - a most popular entry (per category) voted by the web public at large > > The expert panel will be composed of an internationally recognized jury > (exact composition to be determined, suggestions and candidatures welcome) > > the website will offer voting facility for both LGM attendants and the > general public > > if there is interest for a competition/prizes, we can ping manufacturer > of related hardware and see if we can get sponsoring/prizes > > are you game? > Yuv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: Exhibition of "Hugin Pictures"
Thanks everybody for the comments, thoughts, suggestions and support expressed. Keep them coming. Spinning further: David Haberthür wrote: > I mostly stitch to PNG, where I don't know a think about color > profile. These files are alredy quite big. I suspect the entry of TIFF > files would be quite cumbersome. Is high quality PNG not suited as an > alternative? I don't know if PNG can embed a color profile. My experience with printing is that if there is no color profile attached, color gets corrected by some auto-white-balance in the printer or somewhere along the processing chain and the printout looks very different to the screen. That said, if you do want to risk color mismatches, it is probably possible to technically accept popular formats such as PNG and JPG. > Cost of entry: Does that mean I (we) pay upfront for submission? Or is > that the price once the best images are selected for print? the initial idea (still subject to change based on feedback here) would be to print all images (it's one entry per person) on simple plain paper for temporary exhibition at LGM (three days). Unless we find a sponsor for the printing, it will be pay upfront for submission. The posters will hang in public space without surveillance, so no guarantee can be made about their status at the end of LGM (fingerprints, tape marks, etc.) but if there is interest we could arrange for postal mailing to the authors. >> 2. CATEGORIES >> >> I am not sure if it is a good idea to categorize pictures. but then >> there is soo much that can be done with Hugin: >> - extended depth of field >> - gigapixel >> - HDR >> - extended FoV >> - full spherical > > What about HDR images which cover an extended FOV :) ? Maybe there > could also be categories like "architectural", "nature", "art", > "light", since as you say "so much can be done with Hugin" that your > proposed categories overlap a bit. I am still not sure if it is a good idea or not to categorize pictures. The pros of categorizations is that we could have competition winners in different categories, makes it open for more sponsored prices. THe con is that no categorization is perfect. Your proposed categories overlap a bit too ;-) though they are sure more interesting / artistic as opposed to my technical ones. In the end it boils down to comparing apples with apples and oranges with oranges. If we want comparison at all. >> 3. PROCESS >> >> - A website will be set up where authors can upload their artwork >> - the artwork will be exhibited in low resolution on the webiste >> - the artwork will be printed once, on simple paper, for the temporary >> exhibit >> - no other use of the artwork will be made, the authors retail full >> copyright > > Or even sell/auction the artwork off to interested LGM participants/visitors? I don't know how much public we will get, and the idea is to print the artwork on simple paper (at about 7$/sqft). Of course we could print it on higher quality material (e.g. 40$/sqft. for canvas, excluding the frame and the work of stretching it. Rolled canvas ships better than stretched. I like the idea of the auction. We could live it up to the individual contributor and just set up the infrastructure for this (printing/shipping/handling). Tom Sharpless asked a few good questions: > 1) maximum dimension of your prints? don't know. Would people feel comfortable with maximum 4ft tall and 12ft wide (that's 121.9 x 365.8 cm)? any other ideas? > 2) could I just bring a print to Montreal instead? have not really considered this option. we will definitely need an upload of the picture so that it can be displayed on the website. we'll have to tag the prints, but this can be done on a separate sheet of paper to avoid putting marks on the original print that may find a use after LGM, assuming it survives. What I do not want is responsibility for the prints, i.e. security and this sort of stuff. They will hang in public space. > 3) must it strictly have been made with Hugin, or are other free tools > eligible? I would not want to limit the entries to Hugin. People do nice stuff with Panini, Gimp+Mathmap, and many other stuff. I would even be inclined to be inclusive of pictures processed with competing commercial products. Limiting to free tools may be more in the spirit of LGM, but it will focus us too much on technicalities and not enough on art. And I don't want to police and exclude artwork when the RAWs have been converted with Nikon's or Canon's or Adobe's proprietary software. So my inclination would be: all tools are acceptable. What do others think? I do want this to be a community effort. I am willing to put the digital infrastructure (website with uploading and voting facility) and some of the logistics (printing, coordination with LGM, arranging the space for the exhibit). Beyond that, I need *your* help. With ideas, discussions and contributions of all sorts. More thoughts? Yuv --~
[hugin-ptx] Re: Exhibition of "Hugin Pictures"
Hi Yuv Good idea. 3 questions. 1) maximum dimension of your prints? 2) could I just bring a print to Montreal instead? 3) must it strictly have been made with Hugin, or are other free tools eligible? Regards, Tom On Mar 8, 9:37 pm, Yuval Levy wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to test the waters before plunging into the following > initiative. > > May 6-9 is Libre Graphics Meeting in Montréal. The people behind many > open source imaging projects, including Hugin, will meet at a conference > bringing together artists and developer communities. > > It will take place at Université de Montréal, and I wanted to hang out > in the hallways some "Hugin pictures". > > Would you participate, contribute to a showcase of "Hugin pictures" with > the following characteristics (all work in progress and open for change > based on community feedback)? > > 1. ENTRIES > > - one entry per person. > - the entry must be a high resolution picture beyond what can be taken > with a common camera, i.e. ultra-wide FOV (>180° in one dimensions) or > very high resolution (>50 megapixels). > - entry must be in TIFF format with color profile attached. > - entries will be printed at 300 dpi > - cost of entry will cover for printing on simple paper to be hanged > during LGM (expected at about 7$/sqft). > > 2. CATEGORIES > > I am not sure if it is a good idea to categorize pictures. but then > there is soo much that can be done with Hugin: > - extended depth of field > - gigapixel > - HDR > - extended FoV > - full spherical > > all images must be flat - no VR display. > > 3. PROCESS > > - A website will be set up where authors can upload their artwork > - the artwork will be exhibited in low resolution on the webiste > - the artwork will be printed once, on simple paper, for the temporary > exhibit > - no other use of the artwork will be made, the authors retail full > copyright > > 4. COMPETITION > > I am not sure how people would feel about: > - a best entry (per category) judged by expert panel > - a most popular entry (per category) voted by LGM-attending public > - a most popular entry (per category) voted by the web public at large > > The expert panel will be composed of an internationally recognized jury > (exact composition to be determined, suggestions and candidatures welcome) > > the website will offer voting facility for both LGM attendants and the > general public > > if there is interest for a competition/prizes, we can ping manufacturer > of related hardware and see if we can get sponsoring/prizes > > are you game? > Yuv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: Exhibition of "Hugin Pictures"
Yuv, You asked: > are you game? Yes. I would be happy to express an interest in participating. all the best George On Mar 9, 1:37 am, Yuval Levy wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to test the waters before plunging into the following > initiative. > > May 6-9 is Libre Graphics Meeting in Montréal. The people behind many > open source imaging projects, including Hugin, will meet at a conference > bringing together artists and developer communities. > > It will take place at Université de Montréal, and I wanted to hang out > in the hallways some "Hugin pictures". > > Would you participate, contribute to a showcase of "Hugin pictures" with > the following characteristics (all work in progress and open for change > based on community feedback)? > > 1. ENTRIES > > - one entry per person. > - the entry must be a high resolution picture beyond what can be taken > with a common camera, i.e. ultra-wide FOV (>180° in one dimensions) or > very high resolution (>50 megapixels). > - entry must be in TIFF format with color profile attached. > - entries will be printed at 300 dpi > - cost of entry will cover for printing on simple paper to be hanged > during LGM (expected at about 7$/sqft). > > 2. CATEGORIES > > I am not sure if it is a good idea to categorize pictures. but then > there is soo much that can be done with Hugin: > - extended depth of field > - gigapixel > - HDR > - extended FoV > - full spherical > > all images must be flat - no VR display. > > 3. PROCESS > > - A website will be set up where authors can upload their artwork > - the artwork will be exhibited in low resolution on the webiste > - the artwork will be printed once, on simple paper, for the temporary > exhibit > - no other use of the artwork will be made, the authors retail full > copyright > > 4. COMPETITION > > I am not sure how people would feel about: > - a best entry (per category) judged by expert panel > - a most popular entry (per category) voted by LGM-attending public > - a most popular entry (per category) voted by the web public at large > > The expert panel will be composed of an internationally recognized jury > (exact composition to be determined, suggestions and candidatures welcome) > > the website will offer voting facility for both LGM attendants and the > general public > > if there is interest for a competition/prizes, we can ping manufacturer > of related hardware and see if we can get sponsoring/prizes > > are you game? > Yuv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: Exhibition of "Hugin Pictures"
Hey Yuv. That sounds like a nice idea: Some notes/ideas are scattered inbetween you text. > Would you participate, contribute to a showcase of "Hugin pictures" with > the following characteristics (all work in progress and open for change > based on community feedback)? > > 1. ENTRIES > > - one entry per person. > - the entry must be a high resolution picture beyond what can be taken > with a common camera, i.e. ultra-wide FOV (>180° in one dimensions) or > very high resolution (>50 megapixels). > - entry must be in TIFF format with color profile attached. > - entries will be printed at 300 dpi > - cost of entry will cover for printing on simple paper to be hanged > during LGM (expected at about 7$/sqft). I mostly stitch to PNG, where I don't know a think about color profile. These files are alredy quite big. I suspect the entry of TIFF files would be quite cumbersome. Is high quality PNG not suited as an alternative? Cost of entry: Does that mean I (we) pay upfront for submission? Or is that the price once the best images are selected for print? > 2. CATEGORIES > > I am not sure if it is a good idea to categorize pictures. but then > there is soo much that can be done with Hugin: > - extended depth of field > - gigapixel > - HDR > - extended FoV > - full spherical What about HDR images which cover an extended FOV :) ? Maybe there could also be categories like "architectural", "nature", "art", "light", since as you say "so much can be done with Hugin" that your proposed categories overlap a bit. > 3. PROCESS > > - A website will be set up where authors can upload their artwork > - the artwork will be exhibited in low resolution on the webiste > - the artwork will be printed once, on simple paper, for the temporary > exhibit > - no other use of the artwork will be made, the authors retail full > copyright Or even sell/auction the artwork off to interested LGM participants/visitors? > 4. COMPETITION > > I am not sure how people would feel about: > - a best entry (per category) judged by expert panel > - a most popular entry (per category) voted by LGM-attending public > - a most popular entry (per category) voted by the web public at large > > The expert panel will be composed of an internationally recognized jury > (exact composition to be determined, suggestions and candidatures welcome) > > the website will offer voting facility for both LGM attendants and the > general public > > if there is interest for a competition/prizes, we can ping manufacturer > of related hardware and see if we can get sponsoring/prizes > > are you game? > Yuv I'm interested, count me in with a submission once this takes off. Habi --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
