Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
Is it available now or have to wait. If available ? than from where i can download? I am really stuck with Black mask errors and cant generate final files. Masking my images manually is surely going to help a lot. Is there any need of feather addition in masks? On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Bruno Postle brunopos...@googlemail.comwrote: On 19 February 2010 06:48, T. Modes thomas.mo...@gmx.de wrote: I could in the internal mask processing positive masks clip at the image bounderies. But this would not show up in the mask editor. I think that would be fine. It is useful to be able to draw part of the mask outside the edge of the photo, but this 'outside' part of the region can only do bad things in the 'positive mask' situation. -- Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comhugin-ptx%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- _ Emaad www.flickr.com/emaad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
On 22 February 2010 11:32, Emad ud din Butt xyzt...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any need of feather addition in masks? This isn't really how it works, you can't use the mask tool for compositing or placing a foreground object on different background. For this you need an image editor. Enblend can and does use any part of an image overlap to place a seam, by excluding an area using a mask you are telling enblend to exclude that region from consideration both when placing the seam and when blending. The result is that you can remove a person or object only if some other photo shows the same part of the scene without that object. When you 'include' an object with a mask the opposite happens, this simply removes that part of the scene from all other photos, enblend then has no choice but to use the region in the photo you selected. Cristian Marchi has posted a nice tutorial showing the 'positive' (include region) masking: http://www.flickr.com/groups/hugin/discuss/72157623472700076/ -- Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
On 19 February 2010 06:48, T. Modes thomas.mo...@gmx.de wrote: I could in the internal mask processing positive masks clip at the image bounderies. But this would not show up in the mask editor. I think that would be fine. It is useful to be able to draw part of the mask outside the edge of the photo, but this 'outside' part of the region can only do bad things in the 'positive mask' situation. -- Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 13:02 -0800, T. Modes wrote: @Seb One issue I found: if I include two times the same image, there is one single mask for these two images. Only the fast preview is affected by this bug. The normal preview and the output should be ok. Until it is fixed use the normal preview or work with a copy of the image with an other filename. I fixed this in rev 5000. There is another bug I have noticed: If you make an include mask on an image, the image opposite it on a spherical panorama disappears from both previews and the output. For example: if you have image 0 at yaw 90, pitch 0 with a positive mask, and image 1 at yaw -90, pitch 0, image 1 disappears. -James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
That would be useful, but also the Hugin optimiser could ignore points in masked areas, and the photometric optimiser could be made to only sample from unmasked areas. The photometric optimiser should only sample from unmasked area. As far as I understood, I did the changes. Regarding the optimiser it should be easy possible to remove cps in masked areas. The phrases 'negative masking' and 'positive masking' - I'm probably responsible for these, but I worry that they won't mean much to new users, we should maybe look for something better: Exclude region / Include region Exclude area / Include area Remove region / Add region (not sure) If there is a consense, it should be easy to change the phrases. I use Hugin over remote-X and showing photos in the Mask tab is several times slower than showing them in the Crop tab (like 20 seconds for a 1:1 view) - Obviously remote-X isn't much of a concern, but I wonder if the canvas is being redrawn multiple times. I will have a look on this in the next days. Masks can be drawn outside the photo border. This is fine for 'negative' masks, as it makes it easier to select the right area, but for 'positive' masks it results in holes in the final image. I could in the internal mask processing positive masks clip at the image bounderies. But this would not show up in the mask editor. Or I could force to clip the created mask. But I have no good idea at which stage this could be done - maybe when switching to positive mask. (Alternatively an additional button with clip to image, but this approach I don't like, because there are enough buttons.) What do you think? Thomas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
wow really nice feature..thanks for adding.. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Bart van Andel bavanan...@gmail.comwrote: On 16 feb, 09:35, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/36383...@n00/4359863335/ This will save a lot of work: instead of first outputting all the remapped images, editing masks by hand using a photo editor like GIMP or Photoshop, and then blending, everything can now be done from inside Hugin. Very nice work indeed! -- Bart -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comhugin-ptx%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- _ Asst Manager IT Wazir Ali Industries Limited Lahore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
Seems to work fine, thanks for this :-) Tim http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7807/posmasktest.jpg http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2101/negmasktest.jpg On 16 February 2010 08:37, sebastien delcoigne sebastien.delcoi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Thomas, It's a very practical feature to have directly inside Hugin. I can't wait to try it. -- Sebastien On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Carl von Einem c...@einem.net wrote: Standard (negative) masking: Make sure that certain areas of a source image (a partial human body stepping into the frame, or parts of the panohead) don't make it into the stitched image while you have enough better background in another frame (e.g. a handheld nadir shot). The 'crop' tab is comparable but only allows to mask the outside of a rectangle or a circle. Positive masking: comparing two overlapping frames one feature might be in both but looks better in frame B. You want to make sure that enblend uses that nicer part so you can apply positive masking on that wanted part. Bruno's tutorial shows both techniques using seperate vector masks: http://hugin.sourceforge.net/tutorials/enblend-svg/en.shtml Jan Martin schrieb am 16.02.10 07:58: This might be obvious to you, I ask nevertheless: What is masking good for? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comhugin-ptx%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- Sébastien -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comhugin-ptx%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
Awesome work! Very useful to the workflow. Could you make it use the roll parameter? I used some portrait photos, but in the mask(and crop) tab they were in landscape, while in CP editor they were properly in portrait orientation It would also be great if some CP generators made use of masking. PTmender would also rock if it supported masking. Thanks you the feature! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
Standard (negative) masking: Make sure that certain areas of a source image (a partial human body stepping into the frame, or parts of the panohead) don't make it into the stitched image while you have enough better background in another frame (e.g. a handheld nadir shot). The 'crop' tab is comparable but only allows to mask the outside of a rectangle or a circle. Positive masking: comparing two overlapping frames one feature might be in both but looks better in frame B. You want to make sure that enblend uses that nicer part so you can apply positive masking on that wanted part. Bruno's tutorial shows both techniques using seperate vector masks: http://hugin.sourceforge.net/tutorials/enblend-svg/en.shtml Jan Martin schrieb am 16.02.10 07:58: This might be obvious to you, I ask nevertheless: What is masking good for? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
Thanks Thomas, It's a very practical feature to have directly inside Hugin. I can't wait to try it. -- Sebastien On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Carl von Einem c...@einem.net wrote: Standard (negative) masking: Make sure that certain areas of a source image (a partial human body stepping into the frame, or parts of the panohead) don't make it into the stitched image while you have enough better background in another frame (e.g. a handheld nadir shot). The 'crop' tab is comparable but only allows to mask the outside of a rectangle or a circle. Positive masking: comparing two overlapping frames one feature might be in both but looks better in frame B. You want to make sure that enblend uses that nicer part so you can apply positive masking on that wanted part. Bruno's tutorial shows both techniques using seperate vector masks: http://hugin.sourceforge.net/tutorials/enblend-svg/en.shtml Jan Martin schrieb am 16.02.10 07:58: This might be obvious to you, I ask nevertheless: What is masking good for? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comhugin-ptx%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- Sébastien -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
On 16 feb, 09:35, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/36383...@n00/4359863335/ This will save a lot of work: instead of first outputting all the remapped images, editing masks by hand using a photo editor like GIMP or Photoshop, and then blending, everything can now be done from inside Hugin. Very nice work indeed! -- Bart -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
Thank you for this feature!! I've just compiled Hugin from trunk and it works great! On 16 Feb, 07:34, T. Modes thomas.mo...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I implemented a masking tool inside hugin. It's now in the trunk. Now you can create masks inside hugin, the masks are stored in the pto file. It is possible to use negative and positive masking. The masks are applied during stitching with nona. So also enblend can use them. Some hints for usage of the editor: Creating mask polygon: left mouse buttons sets one point, finish with right mouse button or left double click Select mask: left mouse click inside polygon or use rubberband, works only when there are no points selected; or use the listbox Selecting point(s): after selecting add new mask left mouse click on point or use rubberband; when holding shift the new points are added to an existing selection Move point(s): drag with left mouse button Move whole mask: drag with right mouse button Adding points: left click while holding ctrl key on a line segment Deleting points: right mouse click while holding ctrl key on a point or drag with right mouse button and pressed ctrl button a rubber band around the points (the remaining polygon must consist of at least three points, otherwise the deleting is canceled), the delete key deletes the selected points Deleting mask: use delete mask button, the mask is also delete with pressing the delete key when all or none point of the current mask are selected I hope this feature is helpful Thomas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
Hi Thomas, Was on business trip. Saw the commits in hugin-cvs, read your mail in hugin-ptx. Got home late tonight from the airport, hugged, kissed, talked with my wife (some things simply come first), modified the Xcode project and it works great. THANKS AGAIN for another very nice feature in hugin (cplean, updated structured tabbed fast preview, what do I forget?). (Tomorrow an OSX build). Harry 2010/2/16 cri cri.pe...@gmail.com Thank you for this feature!! I've just compiled Hugin from trunk and it works great! On 16 Feb, 07:34, T. Modes thomas.mo...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I implemented a masking tool inside hugin. It's now in the trunk. Now you can create masks inside hugin, the masks are stored in the pto file. It is possible to use negative and positive masking. The masks are applied during stitching with nona. So also enblend can use them. Some hints for usage of the editor: Creating mask polygon: left mouse buttons sets one point, finish with right mouse button or left double click Select mask: left mouse click inside polygon or use rubberband, works only when there are no points selected; or use the listbox Selecting point(s): after selecting add new mask left mouse click on point or use rubberband; when holding shift the new points are added to an existing selection Move point(s): drag with left mouse button Move whole mask: drag with right mouse button Adding points: left click while holding ctrl key on a line segment Deleting points: right mouse click while holding ctrl key on a point or drag with right mouse button and pressed ctrl button a rubber band around the points (the remaining polygon must consist of at least three points, otherwise the deleting is canceled), the delete key deletes the selected points Deleting mask: use delete mask button, the mask is also delete with pressing the delete key when all or none point of the current mask are selected I hope this feature is helpful Thomas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comhugin-ptx%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Masking inside hugin
This might be obvious to you, I ask nevertheless: What is masking good for? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
