Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-30 Thread Venkat
>> No, it does not check all combinations.
>> e.g. image 0 is matched with image 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11; but not 
with images 4-6.
>> These matches are done because you have a lot of overlap between the 
images (see that most of the matches are done under the caption --- Find 
matches >> for overlapping images ---).

>> You see this also in the output of enblend: warning: some images are 
redundant and will not be blended.

>> So if speed is your main concern, reduce the number of images, because 
you have a lot of overlap and redundant images.

I will look into this. Thanks team for the insights.
On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 1:17:10 AM UTC-7 T. Modes wrote:

> Venkat schrieb am Samstag, 30. März 2024 um 07:06:32 UTC+1:
>
> Problems:
> 1) Attached Default.txt which captures the log output of the above steps.  
> From Line 112 to Line 143 we could see the match is made
> among the combinations of the images ex: image 0.jpg  (its actually 1.jpg 
> but zero indexed internally ) with all other images, likewise other images
> are matched as well. 
>
>
> No, it does not check all combinations.
> e.g. image 0 is matched with image 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11; but not with 
> images 4-6.
> These matches are done because you have a lot of overlap between the 
> images (see that most of the matches are done under the caption --- Find 
> matches for overlapping images ---).
>
> You see this also in the output of enblend: warning: some images are 
> redundant and will not be blended.
>
> So if speed is your main concern, reduce the number of images, because you 
> have a lot of overlap and redundant images.
>

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-30 Thread 'T. Modes' via hugin and other free panoramic software
Venkat schrieb am Samstag, 30. März 2024 um 07:06:32 UTC+1:

Problems:
1) Attached Default.txt which captures the log output of the above steps.  
>From Line 112 to Line 143 we could see the match is made
among the combinations of the images ex: image 0.jpg  (its actually 1.jpg 
but zero indexed internally ) with all other images, likewise other images
are matched as well. 


No, it does not check all combinations.
e.g. image 0 is matched with image 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11; but not with 
images 4-6.
These matches are done because you have a lot of overlap between the images 
(see that most of the matches are done under the caption --- Find matches 
for overlapping images ---).

You see this also in the output of enblend: warning: some images are 
redundant and will not be blended.

So if speed is your main concern, reduce the number of images, because you 
have a lot of overlap and redundant images.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-29 Thread Venkat
Minor clarification
>> Probable fix :
>> During Step2 run the cpfind with a --linearmatch. In order to do that I 
had to use a user-defined-assistant fileas below. 
>> hugin_executor --assistant 
 --user-defined-assistant=C:/Users/svrvs/Downloads/Feb24/general.assistant 
 ./gen.pto
>>  Attached gen.log,  general.assistant ( in this I don't think checkpto, 
cpclean are really needed but that's a experiment for another day ). 
>>  This seem to take in the image as is per command line passed in step1.

During Step1, I used gen.pto as the filename to generate.

On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:06:32 PM UTC-7 Venkat wrote:

Let me take a another stab at this. 

Recapping  the original steps:  

1. pto_gen -o output.pto 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg 5.jpg 6.jpg 7.jpg 8.jpg 
9.jpg 10.jpg 11.jpg 12.jpg
2. hugin_executor --assistant ./output.pto
3. hugin_executor --stitching --prefix=prefix ./output.pto

Problems:
1) Attached Default.txt which captures the log output of the above steps.  
>From Line 112 to Line 143 we could see the match is made
among the combinations of the images ex: image 0.jpg  (its actually 1.jpg 
but zero indexed internally ) with all other images, likewise other images
are matched as well. Ideally I want the match to be restricted to the 
sequence provided in the command line ie. 1 <> 2, 2<> 3 so on and so forth 
till 11 <> 12. 

Probable fix :
During Step2 run the cpfind with a --linearmatch. In order to do that I had 
to use a user-defined-assistant fileas below. 

hugin_executor --assistant 
 --user-defined-assistant=C:/Users/svrvs/Downloads/Feb24/general.assistant 
 ./gen.pto

Attached gen.log,  general.assistant ( in this I don't think checkpto, 
cpclean are really needed but that's a experiment for another day ). 

This seem to take in the image as is per command line passed in step1.

2) Initially step2 was around a minute.  step3 probably around 10 - 15 
seconds.  With the cpfind --linearmatch as in problem#1 
the time was cut down to 23 seconds during step2, step3 not a drastic 
change.


Btw, the images have restrictions to share


On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 3:04:35 AM UTC-7 T. Modes wrote:

Venkat schrieb am Freitag, 29. März 2024 um 02:09:38 UTC+1:

So when hugin_executor gets called with --assistant it calls 
"cpfind" with some defaults. This results in trying all matches ( 
regardless of sort or not  
during the "pto_gen" step). 


Either you have not set the multirow switch for the default cp generator or 
something else is going wrong.
But have been said already and I have the feeling we are going in circles. 
The best would be you provide a link to one image set and the log of 
commands. Then we can try ourself and compare with your output.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-29 Thread Venkat
Let me take a another stab at this. 

Recapping  the original steps:  

1. pto_gen -o output.pto 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg 5.jpg 6.jpg 7.jpg 8.jpg 
9.jpg 10.jpg 11.jpg 12.jpg
2. hugin_executor --assistant ./output.pto
3. hugin_executor --stitching --prefix=prefix ./output.pto

Problems:
1) Attached Default.txt which captures the log output of the above steps.  
>From Line 112 to Line 143 we could see the match is made
among the combinations of the images ex: image 0.jpg  (its actually 1.jpg 
but zero indexed internally ) with all other images, likewise other images
are matched as well. Ideally I want the match to be restricted to the 
sequence provided in the command line ie. 1 <> 2, 2<> 3 so on and so forth 
till 11 <> 12. 

Probable fix :
During Step2 run the cpfind with a --linearmatch. In order to do that I had 
to use a user-defined-assistant fileas below. 

hugin_executor --assistant 
 --user-defined-assistant=C:/Users/svrvs/Downloads/Feb24/general.assistant 
 ./gen.pto

Attached gen.log,  general.assistant ( in this I don't think checkpto, 
cpclean are really needed but that's a experiment for another day ). 

This seem to take in the image as is per command line passed in step1.

2) Initially step2 was around a minute.  step3 probably around 10 - 15 
seconds.  With the cpfind --linearmatch as in problem#1 
the time was cut down to 23 seconds during step2, step3 not a drastic 
change.


Btw, the images have restrictions to share


On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 3:04:35 AM UTC-7 T. Modes wrote:

> Venkat schrieb am Freitag, 29. März 2024 um 02:09:38 UTC+1:
>
> So when hugin_executor gets called with --assistant it calls 
> "cpfind" with some defaults. This results in trying all matches ( 
> regardless of sort or not  
> during the "pto_gen" step). 
>
>
> Either you have not set the multirow switch for the default cp generator 
> or something else is going wrong.
> But have been said already and I have the feeling we are going in circles. 
> The best would be you provide a link to one image set and the log of 
> commands. Then we can try ourself and compare with your output.
>
>

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C:\Users\svrvs\Downloads\Feb24>hugin_executor --assistant  
--user-defined-assistant=C:/Users/svrvs/Downloads/Feb24/general.assistant  
./gen.pto

Searching control points
Hugin's cpfind 2022.0.0.9bb147ae7161 built by Thomas
based on Pan-o-matic by Anael Orlinski
Input file   : ./gen.pto
Output file  : ./gen.pto
Number of threads  : 8

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  Iterations : 1000
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Minimum matches per image pair: 6
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-29 Thread 'T. Modes' via hugin and other free panoramic software
Venkat schrieb am Freitag, 29. März 2024 um 02:09:38 UTC+1:

So when hugin_executor gets called with --assistant it calls 
"cpfind" with some defaults. This results in trying all matches ( 
regardless of sort or not  
during the "pto_gen" step). 


Either you have not set the multirow switch for the default cp generator or 
something else is going wrong.
But have been said already and I have the feeling we are going in circles. 
The best would be you provide a link to one image set and the log of 
commands. Then we can try ourself and compare with your output.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-28 Thread Venkat

 Still, you can get Hugin for Microsoft. Why not install that and see
 how it works?
Yeah, we tried that option as well. hugin_executor --assistant ./output.pto 
was taking roughly 
around a minute.  Also, eventually our goal is to run on Linux box and had 
to try WSL as a quick way.



On Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 9:40:50 PM UTC-7 Groogle wrote:

On Thursday, 28 March 2024 at 18:09:38 -0700, Venkat wrote: 
> Your example showed the file names in alphabetical order. My 
> understanding was that this isn't what you wanted. 

> We were providing alphabetical order so that even when we pass 
> --sort we would end getting the right order (assuming sort does 
> ascending). But you are right if the user knows the order then no 
> need for "--sort" or having sorted order file names. 

Somewhere round here I'm getting the feeling that we're 
misunderstanding each other. Anyway: 

> That would be my guess. If you're running under Linux, why not 
> use the Linux version of Hugin? I'm sure it gets much more 
> developer attention. And then I guess you wouldn't need to do 
> anything special to get your images processed in a timely 
> fashion. 
> 
> Yeah, having a dedicated linux box would be ideal. Since we had a 
> windows laptop we just enabled the linux subsytem on windows and 
> tried the linux modules to see as a prototype. 

Clearly this is another misunderstanding. I thought you were running 
Microsoft on top of Linux, in other words the other way round. 

Still, you can get Hugin for Microsoft. Why not install that and see 
how it works? 

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-28 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Thursday, 28 March 2024 at 18:09:38 -0700, Venkat wrote:
> Your example showed the file names in alphabetical order. My
> understanding was that this isn't what you wanted.

> We were providing alphabetical order so that even when we pass
> --sort we would end getting the right order (assuming sort does
> ascending). But you are right if the user knows the order then no
> need for "--sort" or having sorted order file names.

Somewhere round here I'm getting the feeling that we're
misunderstanding each other.  Anyway:

> That would be my guess. If you're running under Linux, why not
>   use the Linux version of Hugin? I'm sure it gets much more
>   developer attention. And then I guess you wouldn't need to do
>   anything special to get your images processed in a timely
>   fashion.
>
> Yeah, having a dedicated linux box would be ideal. Since we had a
> windows laptop we just enabled the linux subsytem on windows and
> tried the linux modules to see as a prototype.

Clearly this is another misunderstanding.  I thought you were running
Microsoft on top of Linux, in other words the other way round.

Still, you can get Hugin for Microsoft.  Why not install that and see
how it works?

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-28 Thread Venkat
Your example showed the file names in alphabetical order. My
understanding was that this isn't what you wanted. 
We were providing alphabetical order so that even when we pass --sort we 
would
end getting the right order (assuming sort does ascending). But you are 
right if the
user knows the order then no need for "--sort" or having sorted order file 
names.

 And you missed this important part:
 If your images are all in the same plane, --linearmatch is probably
 what you're looking for.
Our entry point is calling "pto_gen" and "hugin_executor" with different 
parameter 
and going with  the default assumptions.
So when hugin_executor gets called with --assistant it calls 
"cpfind" with some defaults. This results in trying all matches ( 
regardless of sort or not  
during the "pto_gen" step). 
Probably that's where we need make "hugin_executor" to make it pass 
cpfind with a --linearmatch. To have that granular control I guess we need 
to pass
hugin_executor with a "user_defined" assistant file to have fine control of 
variosu parameters to various modules.  

 That would be my guess. If you're running under Linux, why not use
   the Linux version of Hugin? I'm sure it gets much more developer
   attention. And then I guess you wouldn't need to do anything special
   to get your images processed in a timely fashion.
Yeah, having a dedicated linux box would be ideal. Since we had a windows 
laptop 
we just enabled the linux subsytem on windows and tried the linux modules 
to see
as a prototype.

 If you do this, it would be good to hear from you whether it improves
 performance.
Sure, I will have to try it as docker image. I will keep this thread posted 
when I have
the result.

 


On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 9:44:15 PM UTC-7 Groogle wrote:

On Wednesday, 27 March 2024 at 13:44:34 -0700, Venkat wrote: 
> Thanks for taking a stab at this. 
> 
>> You don't say how you "provide the individual images". If you 
>> specify the names in the order you want, you're half way there. But 
>> you're using the undocumented --sort option, which imposes the same 
>> sort order. What happens if you do something like this? 
>> 
>> pto_gen -o output.pto 4.jpg 6.jpg 8.jpg 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 7.jpg 9.jpg 
5.jpg 
>> 10.jpg 11.jpg 
> 
> The above option ( ex - pto_gen -o output.pto 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 
> 4.jpg 5.jpg ) still resulted in multiple combinations to find best 
> matching pair. 

Yes, but there's a subtle difference: as I said, 

>> That's an example of out-of-order processing; substitute your own. 
>> And note the lack of the --sort option. 

Your example showed the file names in alphabetical order. My 
understanding was that this isn't what you wanted. And you missed 
this important part: 

>> If your images are all in the same plane, --linearmatch is probably 
>> what you're looking for. 

Without --linearmatch, the sequence isn't important. Still, all of 
this may be overkill: 

>> I'd be interested, though, in why your processing takes so long. Is 
>> this a very slow machine, or are the images very large? 
> 
> Average size of image - 1.56 mb, resolution - 4000 x 1600 RAM - 20 
> GB. 

Nothing unusual in that. I regularly stitch much larger images. 

> It was running on Windows Subsytem For Linux ( Ubuntu 22.04 ). May 
> be WSL is causing slowness. 

That would be my guess. If you're running under Linux, why not use 
the Linux version of Hugin? I'm sure it gets much more developer 
attention. And then I guess you wouldn't need to do anything special 
to get your images processed in a timely fashion. 

If you do this, it would be good to hear from you whether it improves 
performance. 

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-27 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Wednesday, 27 March 2024 at 13:44:34 -0700, Venkat wrote:
> Thanks for taking a stab at this.
>
>> You don't say how you "provide the individual images". If you
>> specify the names in the order you want, you're half way there. But
>> you're using the undocumented --sort option, which imposes the same
>> sort order. What happens if you do something like this?
>>
>> pto_gen -o output.pto 4.jpg 6.jpg 8.jpg 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 7.jpg 9.jpg 5.jpg
>> 10.jpg 11.jpg
>
> The above option ( ex - pto_gen -o output.pto 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg
> 4.jpg 5.jpg ) still resulted in multiple combinations to find best
> matching pair.

Yes, but there's a subtle difference: as I said,

>> That's an example of out-of-order processing; substitute your own.
>> And note the lack of the --sort option.

Your example showed the file names in alphabetical order.  My
understanding was that this isn't what you wanted.  And you missed
this important part:

>> If your images are all in the same plane, --linearmatch is probably
>> what you're looking for.

Without --linearmatch, the sequence isn't important.  Still, all of
this may be overkill:

>> I'd be interested, though, in why your processing takes so long. Is
>> this a very slow machine, or are the images very large?
>
> Average size of image - 1.56 mb, resolution - 4000 x 1600 RAM - 20
> GB.

Nothing unusual in that.  I regularly stitch much larger images.

> It was running on Windows Subsytem For Linux ( Ubuntu 22.04 ). May
> be WSL is causing slowness.

That would be my guess.  If you're running under Linux, why not use
the Linux version of Hugin?  I'm sure it gets much more developer
attention.  And then I guess you wouldn't need to do anything special
to get your images processed in a timely fashion.

If you do this, it would be good to hear from you whether it improves
performance.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-27 Thread Venkat
Thanks for taking a stab at this.
 

You don't say how you "provide the individual images". If you specify
the names in the order you want, you're half way there. But you're
using the undocumented --sort option, which imposes the same sort
order. What happens if you do something like this?

pto_gen -o output.pto 4.jpg 6.jpg 8.jpg 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 7.jpg 9.jpg 5.jpg 
10.jpg 11.jpg


   [ Venkat ]
   The above option ( ex - pto_gen -o output.pto 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg 
5.jpg ) still resulted in 
   multiple combinations to find best matching pair.
 


That's an example of out-of-order processing; substitute your own.
And note the lack of the --sort option.

I'd be interested, though, in why your processing takes so long. Is
this a very slow machine, or are the images very large?

   [ Venkat ] 
   Average size of image - 1.56 mb, resolution - 4000 x 1600 RAM - 20 GB. 
It was
  running on Windows Subsytem For Linux ( Ubuntu 22.04 ). May be WSL is 
causing 
slowness.

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 6:03:34 PM UTC-7 Groogle wrote:

[Rearranged for clarity] 

Original post: 

On Monday, 25 March 2024 at 8:55:19 -0700, Venkat wrote: 
> 
> We are trying to use the hugin assistant in code to stitch a panoramic 
> image. We were wondering is there command line parameter to force the 
order 
> of images. Currently the assistant figures out by trying different 
> combination in some cases its taking around a minute or two for a set of 
11 
> or 12 images. Since we know the order to be stitched wonder is there a 
way 
> to force the assistant to use the designated order as opposed to trying 
all 
> the permutations. Any pointers would be really appreciated. 

Current messages: 

On Monday, 25 March 2024 at 23:48:02 -0700, Venkatramani Sankarlingam 
wrote: 
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 4:09 PM Greg 'groggy' Lehey  
> wrote: 
> 
>> On Monday, 25 March 2024 at 11:19:52 -0700, Venkat wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Cool thanks for the note. I will see if we could tweak the 
>>> assistant to handle cpfind --prealigned. If you have the 
>>> information handy, it would be helpful as well. 
>> 
>> Again, I may be misunderstanding, but I'm not sure that --prealigned 
>> would help here. From the --help (for some reason this isn't 
>> mentioned in the man page): 
>> 
>> --prealigned Match only overlapping images, 
>> requires a rough aligned panorama 
>> 
>> I haven't used it, but it seems that this is a second step, and I 
>> think you're looking for the first. 
> 
> Thanks for the additional clarification. We are doing the following steps 
> 1. pto_gen -o output.pto *.jpg --sort 

OK, this is clearly not what you want. You're selecting your files 
sorted by name (*.jpg), when in fact you want to specify your own 
order. 

> 2. hugin_executor --assistant output.pto 
> 3. hugin_executor --stitching --prefix=prefix output.pto 
> 
> And the images are numerically numbered starting from 0. And #2 and #3 
can 
> be potentially combined into one step. The above approach ends up trying 
> all permutations.We also tried to provide the individual images during #1 
> and ended up with the same result. 

You don't say how you "provide the individual images". If you specify 
the names in the order you want, you're half way there. But you're 
using the undocumented --sort option, which imposes the same sort 
order. What happens if you do something like this? 

pto_gen -o output.pto 4.jpg 6.jpg 8.jpg 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 7.jpg 9.jpg 5.jpg 
10.jpg 11.jpg 

That's an example of out-of-order processing; substitute your own. 
And note the lack of the --sort option.

I'd be interested, though, in why your processing takes so long. Is 
this a very slow machine, or are the images very large? 

On Tuesday, 26 March 2024 at 9:30:13 -0700, Thomas Modes wrote: 
> 
> When the assistant checks all image pairs there is a wrong setting 
> in the preferences. Goto the menu File>Preferences, on tab control 
> points detectors select reset to default. 

Wouldn't it be a good idea to check what the current setting is first? 
But I can't find how to do that in the GUI, and I can't find a "reset 
to default" button, just "Load Defaults". This is Hugin 
2023.0.0.d88dc56ded0e. But the information is all in the ~/.hugin 
file. Here an example entry that probably matches what Thomas is 
saying: 

Description=Hugin's CPFind 
Program=cpfind 
Arguments=--multirow -o %o %s 
ProgramMatcher= 
ArgumentsMatcher= 
Option=1 

POLA warning: this has changed at some point relatively recently. In 
my ~/.hugin I have: 

Description=Hugin's CPFind 
Program=cpfind 
Arguments=-o %o %s 
ProgramMatcher= 
ArgumentsMatcher= 
Option=1 
[AutoPano/AutoPano_1] 
Type=1 
Description=Cpfind (multirow/stacked) 
Program=cpfind 
Arguments=-o %o --multirow %s 
ProgramMatcher= 
ArgumentsMatcher= 
ProgramStack=align_image_stack 
ArgumentsStack=-f %v -v -p %o %i 

That corresponds to two entries on the GUI preferences screen, Hugin's 
CPFind and Cpfind (multirow/stacked). So the old Hugin's CPFind no 
longer exists, and 

Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-27 Thread 'T. Modes' via hugin and other free panoramic software
Hi Greg,
Groogle schrieb am Mittwoch, 27. März 2024 um 02:03:34 UTC+1:


Wouldn't it be a good idea to check what the current setting is first? 
But I can't find how to do that in the GUI, and I can't find a "reset 
to default" button, just "Load Defaults". 

I meant this button. I did not check the English string, I looked only on 
the localized version.
 

This is Hugin 
2023.0.0.d88dc56ded0e. But the information is all in the ~/.hugin 
file. Here an example entry that probably matches what Thomas is 
saying: 

That corresponds to two entries on the GUI preferences screen, Hugin's 
CPFind and Cpfind (multirow/stacked). 

So you did change these settings in the past! The default setting has 6 
entries.

It's not clear, though, that this is what you want. --multirow only 
makes sense when you have, well, multiple rows. 

That is a misunderstanding. The multirow algorithm works also fine for 
single row panoramas.
The help page for cpfind states under --multirow:
> This is an optimized matching strategy for single and multi-row panorama: 
 

> Then check the default control point setting, it should be cpfind 
> and it should contain the --multirow switch in the settings. 

Thomas: OK, where do I check this? How do I change it? 

I though the "edit" button directly beside the list is obviously enough.
 Mhh, maybe I should rename the button to "show the setting and 
let me change them to my personal preferences"

Thomas

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-26 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
[Rearranged for clarity]

Original post:

On Monday, 25 March 2024 at  8:55:19 -0700, Venkat wrote:
>
> We are trying to use the hugin assistant in code to stitch a panoramic
> image. We were wondering is there command line parameter to force the order
> of images. Currently the assistant figures out  by trying different
> combination in some cases its taking around a minute or two for a set of 11
> or 12 images. Since we know the order to be stitched wonder is there a way
> to force the assistant to use the designated order as opposed to trying all
> the permutations.  Any pointers would be really appreciated.

Current messages:

On Monday, 25 March 2024 at 23:48:02 -0700, Venkatramani Sankarlingam wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 4:09 PM Greg 'groggy' Lehey 
> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 25 March 2024 at 11:19:52 -0700, Venkat wrote:
>>>
>>> Cool thanks for the note. I will see if we could tweak the
>>> assistant to handle cpfind --prealigned. If you have the
>>> information handy, it would be helpful as well.
>>
>> Again, I may be misunderstanding, but I'm not sure that --prealigned
>> would help here.  From the --help (for some reason this isn't
>> mentioned in the man page):
>>
>>   --prealignedMatch only overlapping images,
>>   requires a rough aligned panorama
>>
>> I haven't used it, but it seems that this is a second step, and I
>> think you're looking for the first.
>
> Thanks for the additional clarification. We are doing the following steps
> 1. pto_gen -o output.pto *.jpg --sort

OK, this is clearly not what you want.  You're selecting your files
sorted by name (*.jpg), when in fact you want to specify your own
order.

>  2. hugin_executor --assistant output.pto
>  3. hugin_executor --stitching --prefix=prefix output.pto
>
> And the images are numerically numbered starting from 0. And #2 and #3 can
> be potentially combined into one step. The above approach ends up trying
> all permutations.We also tried to provide the individual images during #1
> and ended up with the same result.

You don't say how you "provide the individual images".  If you specify
the names in the order you want, you're half way there.  But you're
using the undocumented --sort option, which imposes the same sort
order.  What happens if you do something like this?

pto_gen -o output.pto 4.jpg 6.jpg 8.jpg 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 7.jpg 9.jpg 5.jpg 
10.jpg 11.jpg

That's an example of out-of-order processing; substitute your own.
And note the lack of the --sort option.

I'd be interested, though, in why your processing takes so long.  Is
this a very slow machine, or are the images very large?

On Tuesday, 26 March 2024 at  9:30:13 -0700, Thomas Modes wrote:
>
> When the assistant checks all image pairs there is a wrong setting
> in the preferences.  Goto the menu File>Preferences, on tab control
> points detectors select reset to default.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to check what the current setting is first?
But I can't find how to do that in the GUI, and I can't find a "reset
to default" button, just "Load Defaults".  This is Hugin
2023.0.0.d88dc56ded0e.  But the information is all in the ~/.hugin
file.  Here an example entry that probably matches what Thomas is
saying:

  Description=Hugin's CPFind
  Program=cpfind
  Arguments=--multirow -o %o %s
  ProgramMatcher=
  ArgumentsMatcher=
  Option=1

POLA warning: this has changed at some point relatively recently.  In
my ~/.hugin I have:

  Description=Hugin's CPFind
  Program=cpfind
  Arguments=-o %o %s
  ProgramMatcher=
  ArgumentsMatcher=
  Option=1
  [AutoPano/AutoPano_1]
  Type=1
  Description=Cpfind (multirow/stacked)
  Program=cpfind
  Arguments=-o %o --multirow %s
  ProgramMatcher=
  ArgumentsMatcher=
  ProgramStack=align_image_stack
  ArgumentsStack=-f %v -v -p %o %i

That corresponds to two entries on the GUI preferences screen, Hugin's
CPFind and Cpfind (multirow/stacked).  So the old Hugin's CPFind no
longer exists, and has been replaced by the contents of Cpfind
(multirow/stacked).  Others might also be interested in this change.

It's not clear, though, that this is what you want.  --multirow only
makes sense when you have, well, multiple rows.  If your images are
all in the same plane, --linearmatch is probably what you're looking
for.  I don't know how to set it from the GUI, but you can edit the
.cpfind file.  Be sure to keep a backup in case something goes wrong.

> Then check the default control point setting, it should be cpfind
> and it should contain the --multirow switch in the settings.

Thomas: OK, where do I check this?  How do I change it?

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-26 Thread Venkatramani Sankarlingam
Thanks for the note, we will look into it.

Yeah we are using the official repo.



On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 9:30 AM 'T. Modes' via hugin and other free
panoramic software  wrote:

> Venkat schrieb am Dienstag, 26. März 2024 um 07:48:18 UTC+1:
>
> From reading the code
> https://github.com/ndevenish/Hugin/blob/master/src/hugin1/executor/hugin_executor.cpp
> looks like there isn't much option to provide "use the predefined order of
> images''.
>
>
> This is not the official repository. And it is totally out of date.
> Hopefully you are using a current version and not this very old one from
> the mentioned repo.
>
> When the assistant checks all image pairs there is a wrong setting in the
> preferences.
> Goto the menu File>Preferences, on tab control points detectors select
> reset to default.
> Then check the default control point setting, it should be cpfind and it
> should contain the --multirow switch in the settings.
>
> Thomas
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-26 Thread 'T. Modes' via hugin and other free panoramic software
Venkat schrieb am Dienstag, 26. März 2024 um 07:48:18 UTC+1:

>From reading the code 
https://github.com/ndevenish/Hugin/blob/master/src/hugin1/executor/hugin_executor.cpp
 
looks like there isn't much option to provide "use the predefined order of 
images''. 


This is not the official repository. And it is totally out of date.
Hopefully you are using a current version and not this very old one from 
the mentioned repo.

When the assistant checks all image pairs there is a wrong setting in the 
preferences.
Goto the menu File>Preferences, on tab control points detectors select 
reset to default.
Then check the default control point setting, it should be cpfind and it 
should contain the --multirow switch in the settings.

Thomas

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-25 Thread Venkatramani Sankarlingam
Thanks for the additional clarification. We are doing the following steps
1. pto_gen -o output.pto *.jpg --sort
 2. hugin_executor --assistant output.pto
 3. hugin_executor --stitching --prefix=prefix output.pto

And the images are numerically numbered starting from 0. And #2 and #3 can
be potentially combined into one step. The above approach ends up trying
all permutations.We also tried to provide the individual images during #1
and ended up with the same result.

>From reading the code
https://github.com/ndevenish/Hugin/blob/master/src/hugin1/executor/hugin_executor.cpp
looks like there isn't much option to provide "use the predefined order of
images''. Probably we may have to break it down into individual steps
to control the order better .





On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 4:09 PM Greg 'groggy' Lehey 
wrote:

> On Monday, 25 March 2024 at 11:19:52 -0700, Venkat wrote:
> >
> > Cool thanks for the note. I will see if we could tweak the assistant to
> > handle cpfind --prealigned. If you have the information handy, it would
> be
> > helpful as well.
>
> Again, I may be misunderstanding, but I'm not sure that --prealigned
> would help here.  From the --help (for some reason this isn't
> mentioned in the man page):
>
>   --prealignedMatch only overlapping images,
>   requires a rough aligned panorama
>
> I haven't used it, but it seems that this is a second step, and I
> think you're looking for the first.
>
> Greg
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-25 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Monday, 25 March 2024 at 11:19:52 -0700, Venkat wrote:
>
> Cool thanks for the note. I will see if we could tweak the assistant to
> handle cpfind --prealigned. If you have the information handy, it would be
> helpful as well.

Again, I may be misunderstanding, but I'm not sure that --prealigned
would help here.  From the --help (for some reason this isn't
mentioned in the man page):

  --prealignedMatch only overlapping images,
  requires a rough aligned panorama

I haven't used it, but it seems that this is a second step, and I
think you're looking for the first.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-25 Thread Venkatramani Sankarlingam
Ok, interesting, let me explore further on those set of parameters.

On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 11:27 AM PanoSeek  wrote:

> I do something similar with my pano script for my Drone shots. -
> templates.Probably not the ideal case for you, but may be useful.
> https://github.com/RookieITSec/HuginPanoScript
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:19:52 PM UTC-5 Venkat wrote:
>
>>
>> Cool thanks for the note. I will see if we could tweak the assistant to
>> handle cpfind --prealigned. If you have the information handy, it would be
>> helpful as well.
>>
>> Sorry about multiple post. When I did the first post it didn't show up
>> immediately and had to post again. Later realized both are posted.
>> On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 11:09:02 AM UTC-7 T. Modes wrote:
>>
>>> Please post only once. No need for duplicate posts.
>>>
>>> Venkat schrieb am Montag, 25. März 2024 um 17:11:16 UTC+1:
>>>
>>> Since we know the order to be stitched wonder is there a way to force
>>> the assistant to use the designated order as opposed to trying all the
>>> permutations.  Any pointers would be really appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>> The default assistant is using cpfind --multirow. This should prevent a
>>> check of all permutation and only test a sensible count if image pairs. (It
>>> falls back to all image pairs only if there are unconnected image pairs.)
>>>
>>> Otherwise you would assign rough image positions and then run cpfind
>>> --prealigned. But this would require some more adjustment to the assistant.
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
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[hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-25 Thread PanoSeek
I do something similar with my pano script for my Drone shots. - templates. 
   Probably not the ideal case for you, but may be useful. 
https://github.com/RookieITSec/HuginPanoScript





On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:19:52 PM UTC-5 Venkat wrote:

>
> Cool thanks for the note. I will see if we could tweak the assistant to 
> handle cpfind --prealigned. If you have the information handy, it would be 
> helpful as well. 
>
> Sorry about multiple post. When I did the first post it didn't show up 
> immediately and had to post again. Later realized both are posted.
> On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 11:09:02 AM UTC-7 T. Modes wrote:
>
>> Please post only once. No need for duplicate posts.
>>
>> Venkat schrieb am Montag, 25. März 2024 um 17:11:16 UTC+1:
>>
>> Since we know the order to be stitched wonder is there a way to force the 
>> assistant to use the designated order as opposed to trying all the 
>> permutations.  Any pointers would be really appreciated.
>>
>>
>> The default assistant is using cpfind --multirow. This should prevent a 
>> check of all permutation and only test a sensible count if image pairs. (It 
>> falls back to all image pairs only if there are unconnected image pairs.)
>>
>> Otherwise you would assign rough image positions and then run cpfind 
>> --prealigned. But this would require some more adjustment to the assistant.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-25 Thread Venkat

Cool thanks for the note. I will see if we could tweak the assistant to 
handle cpfind --prealigned. If you have the information handy, it would be 
helpful as well. 

Sorry about multiple post. When I did the first post it didn't show up 
immediately and had to post again. Later realized both are posted.
On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 11:09:02 AM UTC-7 T. Modes wrote:

> Please post only once. No need for duplicate posts.
>
> Venkat schrieb am Montag, 25. März 2024 um 17:11:16 UTC+1:
>
> Since we know the order to be stitched wonder is there a way to force the 
> assistant to use the designated order as opposed to trying all the 
> permutations.  Any pointers would be really appreciated.
>
>
> The default assistant is using cpfind --multirow. This should prevent a 
> check of all permutation and only test a sensible count if image pairs. (It 
> falls back to all image pairs only if there are unconnected image pairs.)
>
> Otherwise you would assign rough image positions and then run cpfind 
> --prealigned. But this would require some more adjustment to the assistant.
>
> Thomas
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Providing order of images in Hugin assistant

2024-03-25 Thread 'T. Modes' via hugin and other free panoramic software
Please post only once. No need for duplicate posts.

Venkat schrieb am Montag, 25. März 2024 um 17:11:16 UTC+1:

Since we know the order to be stitched wonder is there a way to force the 
assistant to use the designated order as opposed to trying all the 
permutations.  Any pointers would be really appreciated.


The default assistant is using cpfind --multirow. This should prevent a 
check of all permutation and only test a sensible count if image pairs. (It 
falls back to all image pairs only if there are unconnected image pairs.)

Otherwise you would assign rough image positions and then run cpfind 
--prealigned. But this would require some more adjustment to the assistant.

Thomas

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