Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
II'll share what I do with multirow panoramas. In my case the problem was that no matter what I did, even using *multirow* mode, Hugin would find Control Points in images that didn't belong on adjacent rows or columns, messing the final alignment. I had to go in and cleanup manually, wasting a lot of time. Starting with a tiled array with rows a and columns like this: A1 A2 A3 A4 B1 B2 B3 B4 C1 C2 C3 C4 For my needs I needed to find only the matching points in images that were directly adjacent instead of trying to find connecting points in all of the images. For example: for the tile B3 I needed only Control points on A3, B4 C3, and B2 A1 A2 *A3* A4 B1 *B2* *B3* *B4* C1 C2 *C3* C4 My workflow was 1- Create a new project for each row (A1, A2, A3, etc), find the control points and. 2- Create a new project for each column (A1, B1, C1, etc), and find the control points. 3- Merge all projects containing rows and columns using *pto_merge*. This allows all the images to be in the same project with their respective Control Points. 4- Create panorama using the resulting file. I creates a script that works in Linux to automate the procedure. Note that in my case the camera is moving linearly on a track, and the camera positions are different for each row and column, so I needed to create a* new lens* for each picture. Feel free to modify the script for your needs I hope someone finds this useful On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:21:26 AM UTC-7 gree...@verizon.net wrote: > Thanks to Greg & David, there is "Joy in Mudville” > > I have tried this several times and I am now batting 1000 on getting a > successful multi-row panorama. > > Here is a summary that shows what is working for me. Please let me know if > I missed something. > > One thing I noticed that each time I tried this, I got a slightly > different number of Control Points and a slight difference in the Mean > error statistics > -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/acac5841-2677-48ed-b2e5-c7bdf1a132f1n%40googlegroups.com. rows_and_columns Description: application/shellscript
Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
I am obviously confused, I tried so many things yesterday that I am getting the results mixed up. I am going to stop trying to remember and repeat the exercise. > On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:37 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 20:54:51 -0400, Hugin developers list wrote: >> The pop-up did occur and I chose do not link. The resulting image was very >> wide and narrow. > > Both wide and narrow? > > I have difficulty believing this. I've tried all three answers and > find that if I select "Link position", I get a panorama that is half > the expected width, and also ridiculous error values (667 average, > 1297 maximum). My guess is that this is what you selected. > > The other two both generate what appear to be similar images. Would > you please check again? Specifically, you want the selection on the > left "Don't link position". > > Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > Finger groog...@gmail.com for PGP public key. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php > > -- > A list of frequently asked questions is available at: > http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/20230823033739.GB72095%40eureka.lemis.com. -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/E85DE0EB-02EC-4B9C-B766-8683E42BFBDA%40verizon.net.
Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 20:54:51 -0400, Hugin developers list wrote: > The pop-up did occur and I chose do not link. The resulting image was very > wide and narrow. Both wide and narrow? I have difficulty believing this. I've tried all three answers and find that if I select "Link position", I get a panorama that is half the expected width, and also ridiculous error values (667 average, 1297 maximum). My guess is that this is what you selected. The other two both generate what appear to be similar images. Would you please check again? Specifically, you want the selection on the left "Don't link position". Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger groog...@gmail.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/20230823033739.GB72095%40eureka.lemis.com. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
I chose do not link
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> On Aug 22, 2023, at 9:00 PM, Stanley Green wrote:
>
> The pop-up did occur and I chose do not link. The resulting image was very
> wide and narrow.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 8:33 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 8:24:24 -0400, Stanley Green wrote:
>>> Thank you Greg, I really appreciate all the work you guys are putting into
>>> solving my problem
>>>
> On Aug 22, 2023, at 7:48 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey
> wrote:
On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 6:57:45 -0400, Stanley Green wrote:
> The stitching problems only occur when using all three rows.
And what were they?
>>>
>>
>>> When I tried to stitch all three rows, Hugin thought that they were
>>> a stack and produced a stitch that bore no resemblance to the scene.
>>
>> You did read this, right?
>>
On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 10:27:39 +1000, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. Loading the files produced the popup
>>>
>>>Hugin has image stacks detected in the added images and will
>>>assign corresponding stack numbers to the images. Should the
>>>position of images in each stack be linked?
>>>
>>> That's incorrect. There are no image stacks here, so you should
>>> answer No. I've almost never seen this message, and I suspect it
>>> comes here because of the overlap between images. 30% should be
>>> enough. This will give you fewer images and will greatly reduce
>>> the stitching time.
>>
>> You can see an image of this popup at
>> http://www.lemis.com/grog/photos/Onephoto.php?dirdate=20230817=/grog/Photos/20230817/Hugin-fail-2.png
>>
>> Did you not see it? I've gone to the trouble to set the simple
>> interface, but the message still appears. You should have selected
>> the first option ("Don't link position"). Did you do this? Or did
>> the popup not appear?
>>
>> Greg
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
The pop-up did occur and I chose do not link. The resulting image was very wide
and narrow.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 22, 2023, at 8:33 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 8:24:24 -0400, Stanley Green wrote:
>> Thank you Greg, I really appreciate all the work you guys are putting into
>> solving my problem
>>
On Aug 22, 2023, at 7:48 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey
wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 6:57:45 -0400, Stanley Green wrote:
The stitching problems only occur when using all three rows.
>>>
>>> And what were they?
>>
>
>> When I tried to stitch all three rows, Hugin thought that they were
>> a stack and produced a stitch that bore no resemblance to the scene.
>
> You did read this, right?
>
>> On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 10:27:39 +1000, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>>
>> 1. Loading the files produced the popup
>>
>> Hugin has image stacks detected in the added images and will
>> assign corresponding stack numbers to the images. Should the
>> position of images in each stack be linked?
>>
>> That's incorrect. There are no image stacks here, so you should
>> answer No. I've almost never seen this message, and I suspect it
>> comes here because of the overlap between images. 30% should be
>> enough. This will give you fewer images and will greatly reduce
>> the stitching time.
>
> You can see an image of this popup at
> http://www.lemis.com/grog/photos/Onephoto.php?dirdate=20230817=/grog/Photos/20230817/Hugin-fail-2.png
>
> Did you not see it? I've gone to the trouble to set the simple
> interface, but the message still appears. You should have selected
> the first option ("Don't link position"). Did you do this? Or did
> the popup not appear?
>
> Greg
> --
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 8:24:24 -0400, Stanley Green wrote:
> Thank you Greg, I really appreciate all the work you guys are putting into
> solving my problem
>
>> On Aug 22, 2023, at 7:48 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 6:57:45 -0400, Stanley Green wrote:
>>> The stitching problems only occur when using all three rows.
>>
>> And what were they?
>
> When I tried to stitch all three rows, Hugin thought that they were
> a stack and produced a stitch that bore no resemblance to the scene.
You did read this, right?
On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 10:27:39 +1000, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>
> 1. Loading the files produced the popup
>
> Hugin has image stacks detected in the added images and will
> assign corresponding stack numbers to the images. Should the
> position of images in each stack be linked?
>
>That's incorrect. There are no image stacks here, so you should
>answer No. I've almost never seen this message, and I suspect it
>comes here because of the overlap between images. 30% should be
>enough. This will give you fewer images and will greatly reduce
>the stitching time.
You can see an image of this popup at
http://www.lemis.com/grog/photos/Onephoto.php?dirdate=20230817=/grog/Photos/20230817/Hugin-fail-2.png
Did you not see it? I've gone to the trouble to set the simple
interface, but the message still appears. You should have selected
the first option ("Don't link position"). Did you do this? Or did
the popup not appear?
Greg
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
Thank you Greg, I really appreciate all the work you guys are putting into solving my problem > On Aug 22, 2023, at 7:48 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 6:57:45 -0400, Stanley Green wrote: >> I tried stitching different pair combinations. > > A lot of detail missing here. > >> Row 1 & 3: No problem >> Row 1 & 2: No problem >> Row 2 & 3: No problem > > Except that the second and third variants only give you part of the > pano. That is correct. I was only trying to determine if row corruption is causing the problem. It does not look like row corruption is the problem. > >> The stitching problems only occur when using all three rows. > > And what were they? When I tried to stitch all three rows, Hugin thought that they were a stack and produced a stitch that bore no resemblance to the scene. > > We've gone to a lot of trouble to investigate your problems. One of > them seems to be lack of adequate problem reporting. You don't even > say which method(s) you tried. Sorry, I used the Simple interface with the Assistant screen. I loaded the images, tapped Align, and then hit Create Panorama > > Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > Finger groog...@gmail.com for PGP public key. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php > > -- > A list of frequently asked questions is available at: > http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/20230822114819.GI55746%40eureka.lemis.com. -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/66389124-591D-4DF7-A7CD-6AE0E68733DB%40vt.edu.
Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 6:57:45 -0400, Stanley Green wrote: > I tried stitching different pair combinations. A lot of detail missing here. > Row 1 & 3: No problem > Row 1 & 2: No problem > Row 2 & 3: No problem Except that the second and third variants only give you part of the pano. > The stitching problems only occur when using all three rows. And what were they? We've gone to a lot of trouble to investigate your problems. One of them seems to be lack of adequate problem reporting. You don't even say which method(s) you tried. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger groog...@gmail.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/20230822114819.GI55746%40eureka.lemis.com. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
I tried stitching different pair combinations. Row 1 & 3: No problem Row 1 & 2: No problem Row 2 & 3: No problem The stitching problems only occur when using all three rows. -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/927048C1-9ECE-40A2-AF0D-E18C90327B55%40vt.edu.
Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
Thank you guys, I’ll give it a try. > On Aug 11, 2023, at 11:11 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > On Friday, 11 August 2023 at 17:57:46 -0400, Stanley Green wrote: >> I am trying to learn how to try to stitch a multi-row pano using Hugin (Mac). >> >> Tomorrow I plan to take 6 shots (2 rows, 3 shots per row) and see >> how it goes. Any tips for making work? > > I used to make a lot of multirow panoramas, but I haven't done so for > a while. But my recollection is that it Just Works. Take your shots, > put them through the control point detector, and you should get what > you want. My panos were 360�x180�, and I don't recall any particular > issues beyond finding a way to fake the nadir. Try it and report. > > Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > Finger groog...@gmail.com for PGP public key. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php > > -- > A list of frequently asked questions is available at: > http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/20230812031124.GF39438%40eureka.lemis.com. -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/8509D479-C223-4ACE-9C75-829D06988F2D%40vt.edu.
Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
On Friday, 11 August 2023 at 17:57:46 -0400, Stanley Green wrote: > I am trying to learn how to try to stitch a multi-row pano using Hugin (Mac). > > Tomorrow I plan to take 6 shots (2 rows, 3 shots per row) and see > how it goes. Any tips for making work? I used to make a lot of multirow panoramas, but I haven't done so for a while. But my recollection is that it Just Works. Take your shots, put them through the control point detector, and you should get what you want. My panos were 360�x180�, and I don't recall any particular issues beyond finding a way to fake the nadir. Try it and report. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger groog...@gmail.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/20230812031124.GF39438%40eureka.lemis.com. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [hugin-ptx] Multi-row panoramas
On Fri, 2023-08-11 at 17:57 -0400, Stanley Green wrote: > I am trying to learn how to try to stitch a multi-row pano using Hugin (Mac). > > I have been searching the web until my fingers are numb looking for a Hugin > work flow and I am coming up blank. Does a tutorial even exist or am I using > the wrong Google entry? > > Tomorrow I plan to take 6 shots (2 rows, 3 shots per row) and see how it goes. > Any tips for making work? > > Have a look here, if you haven't already. https://hugin.sourceforge.io/tutorials/index.shtml There is a link to a multi row tute, but it is probably not up to date, however may be of some help. Cheers, -- Terry Duell -- A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hugin-ptx/cc1a19390eea301738f6b8bcdb65e0c6a2d9eab0.camel%40iinet.net.au.
