Re: [IAEP] Notes from Nepal's OLPC Deployments
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 09:29 +1030, Bill Kerr wrote: > http://blog.olenepal.org/index.php/archives/325 > Notes from Nepal's OLPC Deployments > > I thought this was really interesting and informative Agreed! Thanks for posting this Bill! I've found the nepal stories to be very inspiring - there's a lot we can learn from their experiences. They are also proving to be excellent communicators about the good the bad, and provide constructive suggestions for improvements and work arounds. cheers Donna -- Donna Benjamin - Executive Director Creative Contingencies - http://cc.com.au ph +61 3 9326 9985 - mob +61 418 310 414 open source - facilitation - web services ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar for Service Learning
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Roland Gesthuizen wrote: > Often I think that institutions like a Science Museum just need just a > couple of laptops running Sugar. With 30 they tend to be boxed and only get > handed out when it is 'safe' to do so. With just one they miss out on the > collaboration feature (akin to handing out a mobile phone and just inviting > them to play with the address book function), With at least two, things can > start to cook .. The management of The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose agreed with my suggestion of a roomful of XOs. I see no difficulty securing them to work surfaces. One of the experiment developers at the Exploratorium agreed with my idea of incorporating XOs into exhibits. So we'll find out. > Imagine a public foyer with a ring of six OLPC computes or Sugar enabled > NetBooks that kids can click and play with, glued or secured to a round > oard .. painted out with a world map or UN logo, .. and perhaps a central > solar charger / crank charger. Some laminated cards with background info and > some basic "Try this" Sugar instructions, perhaps also a face and profile > for each laptop that gives a case study or background to a current OLPC > owner in different 'third world countries'. Also good ideas. > Just a thought but it could be used to inspire other science museums to give > the idea a try. I would love to chat this over with the local science > museum (Joel / Bill / Tony?). A couple of years ago I volunteered to help > with the education resource activities on for CSIRAC, the last > first-generation computer. > http://museumvictoria.com.au/CSIRAC/ I'll help with any such project. > Regards Roland > > 2008/12/16 Edward Cherlin >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: >> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Edward Cherlin >> > wrote: >> >> >> Earth Treasury is starting a project to create digital textbooks and >> >> teacher training materials. >> > >> > Ed, can you please include a URL when you make statements like this? >> >> It was announced on this mailing list. As it happens, you can now look >> at Creating textbooks in the SL Wiki. Sugar Labs, Alan Kay's >> Viewpoints Research, The Doug Engelbart Institute at SRI, FLOSS >> Manuals, Creative Commons, and OLE have expressed strong interest. >> >> >> Currently I am without an XO, >> > >> > Only temporary, I hope. How did this happen? >> >> The B2 is temporarily in pieces, and a B4 was stolen along with my >> regular laptop. >> >> >> The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose would like in principle to >> >> be a test site, >> > >> > Now this would be fantastic. >> >> They are committed in principle, as I said. That came about during the >> Program for the Future conference last week, when Peter Friess >> complained during a presentation that Apple won't let The Tech have >> prototype iPhones and such like to display. Since OLPC and Google >> handed out prototypes fairly widely during development, I assured him >> that we could make a deal. We are arranging to meet for substantive >> discussions. The Exploratorium and Zeum in San Francisco have >> expressed some interest, also. I would love to see an XO being a >> digital oscilloscope or a microscope at the Exploratorium. >> >> I would like it even better if someone were willing to buy each >> institution 30 or more XOs, so that they could bring in whole classes >> from schools for one-to-one computing. Say, 100 from GiveMany for SF, >> for the Exploratorium, the Zeum, and the CA Academy of Sciences; and >> 100 for Silicon Valley, for The Tech, The Children's Discovery Museum, >> and...I don't know. I'm sure we'll find a place. Well, d'oh! The Computer History Museum. >> Similarly, I would like to do the Children's Museum in Indianapolis, >> the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, the Smithsonian, and so >> on and on. >> >> > SJ >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name >> And Children are my nation. >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > -- > Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College > http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -
Re: [IAEP] Joining XOCamp (Was: XOCamp fundraising (and, please sign up to donate)
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:26 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi again, > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:02:22PM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: >>On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 04:19:54PM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: It's getting to be time to buy tickets for XOCamp 2, which is in under a month now. Those of us who'd like to come from far away would love to know whether we can get some financial support for our journey. >>> >>> I am wondering: Do you guys think it would be relevant for me to >>> participate in this? >>> >>> I mean, I don't develop activities themselves and am not a >>> construcionism theorist. I "just" do packaging for Debian an >>> Debian-edu, and do what I can to unite the Sugar packaging efforts of >>> .deb based distros. >>> >>> I do not foubt that I am welcome. Question is more if you imagine >>> that it would be beneficial for the project - also as I would like to >>> request financial support for my travel costs (I live in Denmark). >> >>Your presence would be highly beneficial. We have been having serious >>packaging problems. I don't know how they differ between distros, but I >>feel the lack every day on Ubuntu. > > Ok. I'll attend. :-) > > Next challenge: As foreigner I need to state my place of residence > already when I book my flight. I want to keep this as low-cost as > possible so would much love if either a) I could lend a corner for my > sleeping bag privately at someone living in the area, or b) someone > could help recommend a hostel or similar low-end accomodation that is > nearby or easy to reach by public transportation. There is information from last time at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOCamp_2/Old_fundraising. > Well, right now I don't really need a final commitment of letting me > into your house privately (we might not like each other when we meet in > person), just a verifiable nearby home address that I can use when > filling out my forms (I can't imagine it is illegal to change my mind > regarding residence after I arrive). > >>> I can offer to stay longer in the area, before and/or after the >>> event, if anyone would find that beneficial. > > Flights at Icelandair (with the added bonus of a stop-over with > refreshing trip to a hot bath) are cheapest from saturday 10th an > onwards. I plan to stay an additional week, and would be happy to engage > in local activities in the area - just get in touch with me if you see > my participation relevant somewhere until january 24th! > > > Looking forward to meet you all! Likewise. > - Jonas > > - -- > * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt > * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ > > [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAklHrGwACgkQn7DbMsAkQLiJKQCePKIzQ9H7D7fjjWTPXz4Je1mi > CYIAoKZXSSfyg0lJH+7pMZ/ZB4iJpVlL > =o+uH > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
2008/12/16 Tomeu Vizoso : > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 15:18, David Van Assche wrote: >> LTSP deployments range in the millions worldwide, and are definitely a >> necessary target for Sugar. Macedonia is just a small example of what >> has been done elsewhere with terminals that are far cheaper than the >> falsely advertised $100 laptops. In Brazil alone, there are millions >> of computers running LTSP on top of k12linux or edubuntu. Sugar Labs >> should be taking serious notice of thin client technology and adapting >> the UI to work for it. > Here's one I'd love to facilitate happening. Sugar GUI is lovely, discoverable and sweet. It worked around one important constraint: small screen + reflective mode. Having a gray/white monochrome environment seems pretty anachronic when offering for a shiny new computer lab with crisp 17" LCD screens. I'd like to turn sugar into candy: http://www.olpcnews.com/software/operating_system/aquatic_sugar_childrens_interface.html I wish I had more time to put into this, I think it would be killer. Who knows maybe a quick hack will give us wallpaper. Then perhaps some fg colours. Then perhaps a panel tab to tweak it all (+contrast/brightness for wallpaper). Who knows. -- Sebastian Silva Iniciativa FuenteLibre http://blog.sebastiansilva.com/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Proposals (was Re: Sugar Digest 2008-12-15)
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender >> wrote: >> > === Sugar Digest === >> >> > 5. There is also Proposals Section (See >> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/GettingInvolved#Proposals) >> > in the wiki for aggregating information about potential grant >> > opportunities for Sugar Labs and region groups. Please help us >> > identify and pursue funding opportunities. >> >> I have created a Google calendar for grant application deadlines, >> which I will add to the Wiki. Please add the dates for whatever you >> are working on or otherwise know about that would be appropriate for >> OLPC, Sugar Labs, or Earth Treasury. > > What is the url for the calendar? http://sugarlabs.org/go/Grant_Application_Calendar > Thanks >> >> -- >> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name >> And Children are my nation. >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Proposals (was Re: Sugar Digest 2008-12-15)
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender > wrote: > > === Sugar Digest === > > > 5. There is also Proposals Section (See > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/GettingInvolved#Proposals) > > in the wiki for aggregating information about potential grant > > opportunities for Sugar Labs and region groups. Please help us > > identify and pursue funding opportunities. > > I have created a Google calendar for grant application deadlines, > which I will add to the Wiki. Please add the dates for whatever you > are working on or otherwise know about that would be appropriate for > OLPC, Sugar Labs, or Earth Treasury. What is the url for the calendar? Thanks > > -- > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name > And Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs or Sugar Daddy
Hello, On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:25 PM, David Farning wrote: >> I am convinced that the correct business model for Sugar Labs, will be >> a combination of licensing the Sugar and Sugar Labs brands to partners >> and donations. > > David, here is where I am not sure I agree. I see a number of other > business model possibilities. > > My problem is I see freedom, innovation and mission diluted in the > projects that are focus on licensing their brand and forcing payment > for partner status. I find this to be diluting as well. It also makes the message of calls to action like this email (about finding in-kind partnerships) feel like a call to business, which it really doesn't need to be. The latter doesn't inspire; the spirit of forging new partnerships based around shared goals does. > In my model of the perfect future Sugar is part of many different ways of > solving a wide range of school, student and educational problems. I want to > see Sugar freely remixed and integrated to create local solutions. I'm > concerned that liscencing, even of just the brand will add a lot of overhead > for the organization and make it hard for organizations to be creative about > how they remix. Yes. > Here are some other views. I think they are not alternatives but opportunies > for mix and match. > > A church type model - [plate passed around, specific fundraisers for specific > causes.] +1 Education is holy. > Selling services - having people give workshops, help deployments etc +2 > Selling products - Selling books or Sticks at a profit. +1 if you mean 'selling the official versions of materials that are also free for download / POD' -- in which case most large programs that can afford to will use this version, but there's no extra barrier to entry for people who want to try it at home. > No expenses - Everyone is expected to find a way to make themselves > sustainable. +1 with the caveat that this can mean groups of community members work to ensure one another's expenses are covered. > Grants - Apply for grants for organizational overhead. These sorts of grants are much more often given for specific projects than for overhead. Minimize overhead and apply for grants for specific work -- but when you get a grant, cover any overhead that is needed. >> Let's go get those in-kind donations. > > +1 Let's get donations in general... don't get caught up on the "in-kind" part. I'd like to see a version of this page whose core is a two-line mission statement that inspires individuals to donate time, expertise, and money; and that they can make a difference to the cause. http://sugarlabs.org/go/What_is_Sugar%3F > What do we need to do as an organization to help with getting in kind > donations. Right now it feels like its all in Walters hands and that isn't > scalable. I'd like to donate to Sugarlabs online. I would suggest the same to a couple of friends [who work in human interface design and love Sugar]. Can someone fix this page so that it links to a real paypal/g!check account? Is anyone working on streamlining that process, making it fun and transparent, providing pages asking about donations in 5 languages? Those are things everybody can help out with, even if they just have half an hour... http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donate SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs or Sugar Daddy
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:25 AM, David Farning wrote: > One of the challenges that businesses face is keeping their expenses > below their revenues. Your grandpa would have said, "Don't spend more > than you make." +1 > I am convinced that the correct business model for Sugar Labs, will be > a combination of licensing the Sugar and Sugar Labs brands to partners > and donations. I am convinced that the Red Hat and IBM models are more relevant. We can accept contracts from governments, NGOs, or international aid agencies for customized versions of Sugar, including hiring or contracting with professional localizers and translators, and developing materials for whatever curriculum needs they feel most strongly. Earth Treasury will be making similar proposals to Ministries of Education for digital textbooks. You can wait for the volunteers to do your subjects in your languages, or join the paid queue. -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Vote for OLPC for US Schools at Change.org
I just now put up the idea of One Laptop Per Child in US schools on the Barack Obama issues site, change.org. I also suggested that One Whole Education Per Child in the US independent of economic status would support the same development worldwide. You can vote for my proposal at the URL below if you like, or add others of your own. Pass it on (but don't spam it). http://www.change.org/ideas/view/one_laptop_per_child -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Notes from Nepal's OLPC Deployments
http://blog.olenepal.org/index.php/archives/325 Notes from Nepal's OLPC Deployments I thought this was really interesting and informative ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] TestingTeam -> Bugsquad
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 17:28, Eben Eliason wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Simon Schampijer >>> wrote: Hi, we agreed in the QA-Meeting to rename the TestingTeam to Bugsquad [1]. Can someone with wiki powers move TestingTeam/* to BugSquad/*? > > Can someone do this move or tell me what I need to do to get it done? > Notes for setting up your own bot are at http://sugarlabs.org/go/WikiTeam/Resources/Bots . I did the testteam to bugsquad move a few minutes ago to verify my notes actually work:) It might take a while for the job queue to catch up. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [sugar] Human Interface Guidelines (update and hosting)
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: > Hello everyone - > > The Human Interface Guidelines [1] have been stagnant for some time, > and I'm starting an initiative to remedy the situation. This effort, > as I see it, has two components: 1) update the contents of the HIG and > 2) tease apart OLPC guidelines from Sugar guidelines, and adjust > hosting accordingly. Thanks. I have just been in a discussion of Help facilities (Yay!), and of doubly-delayed popups (Boo!). The question is how to make as much as possible easily discoverable, and what to do about anything left over. Earth Treasury is getting a textbook rethinking, redesign, and implementation consortium together. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai/Creating_textbooks At some point we want to write a new XO+Sugar manual that encourages as much discovery as possible, but covers every known non-discoverable feature in some way. But we won't stop at features. We will move on to the non-discoverable parts of teaching discovery, collaboration, and other Really Big Ideas. > UPDATE: The content update is something I'll spearhead myself, as I > wrote most of the current guidelines. Assistance is certainly > welcome, however, /especially/ in amassing lists of holes that need to > be plugged; I'm sure there are countless implicit guidelines we all > follow that should really be laid down clearly and explicitly. > Ideally, we should be able to answer any noob question about visual or > interaction design by pointing to a sentence in the HIG. In that > regard, there is a component for the HIG in the OLPC trac system, so > tickets are welcome. As I mentioned, a small bit of the HIG (mostly > the "input methods" section, but perhaps others) are XO specific. > I'll attempt to tease this apart as well. I'll invite in some other people who know something about the matter. I assume that we need to comb through the Sugar framework and existing Activities to find any exceptions to documented practices, and discuss whether to document or change them. > Thanks for your assistance! > > [1] wiki.laptop.org/go/HIG -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [sugar] Human Interface Guidelines (update and hosting)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: > Hello everyone - > > The Human Interface Guidelines [1] have been stagnant for some time, > and I'm starting an initiative to remedy the situation. This effort, > as I see it, has two components: 1) update the contents of the HIG and > 2) tease apart OLPC guidelines from Sugar guidelines, and adjust > hosting accordingly. > > UPDATE: The content update is something I'll spearhead myself, as I > wrote most of the current guidelines. Assistance is certainly > welcome, however, /especially/ in amassing lists of holes that need to > be plugged; I'm sure there are countless implicit guidelines we all > follow that should really be laid down clearly and explicitly. > Ideally, we should be able to answer any noob question about visual or > interaction design by pointing to a sentence in the HIG. In that > regard, there is a component for the HIG in the OLPC trac system, so > tickets are welcome. As I mentioned, a small bit of the HIG (mostly > the "input methods" section, but perhaps others) are XO specific. > I'll attempt to tease this apart as well. > > HOSTING: The second aspect of this effort is transitioning the HIG to > the sugarlabs wiki, which seems a more appropriate place for the > (Sugar) Human Interface Guidelines. I foresee this as a relatively > large task, given the size of the HIG and the set of templates, raw > HTML, and nested transclusion which makes a quite navigable but > relatively complex page structure. I'm not a wiki pro, myself, and > I'd be quite grateful to any who have the know-how and are willing to > assist with, or even take on, this task. Please let me know if you need help on this. I am just now posting my notes on the pywikipedia bot at http://sugarlabs.org/go/WikiTeam/Resources/Bots . Hopefully, this will reduce the learning curve a bit! > PARALLELISM: Finally, there's a third implied complication, which is > how these two efforts can happen simultaneously (or not). Should we > a) transition the HIG to sugarlabs, and then update/edit and move any > XO specific pieces back to the OLPC wiki or b) perform a complete > update in place, teasing XO specific parts into separate pages, and > then move it to sugarlabs when we're done or c) come up with a way to > work in parallel? > > Thanks for your assistance! > david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Human Interface Guidelines (update and hosting)
Hello everyone - The Human Interface Guidelines [1] have been stagnant for some time, and I'm starting an initiative to remedy the situation. This effort, as I see it, has two components: 1) update the contents of the HIG and 2) tease apart OLPC guidelines from Sugar guidelines, and adjust hosting accordingly. UPDATE: The content update is something I'll spearhead myself, as I wrote most of the current guidelines. Assistance is certainly welcome, however, /especially/ in amassing lists of holes that need to be plugged; I'm sure there are countless implicit guidelines we all follow that should really be laid down clearly and explicitly. Ideally, we should be able to answer any noob question about visual or interaction design by pointing to a sentence in the HIG. In that regard, there is a component for the HIG in the OLPC trac system, so tickets are welcome. As I mentioned, a small bit of the HIG (mostly the "input methods" section, but perhaps others) are XO specific. I'll attempt to tease this apart as well. HOSTING: The second aspect of this effort is transitioning the HIG to the sugarlabs wiki, which seems a more appropriate place for the (Sugar) Human Interface Guidelines. I foresee this as a relatively large task, given the size of the HIG and the set of templates, raw HTML, and nested transclusion which makes a quite navigable but relatively complex page structure. I'm not a wiki pro, myself, and I'd be quite grateful to any who have the know-how and are willing to assist with, or even take on, this task. PARALLELISM: Finally, there's a third implied complication, which is how these two efforts can happen simultaneously (or not). Should we a) transition the HIG to sugarlabs, and then update/edit and move any XO specific pieces back to the OLPC wiki or b) perform a complete update in place, teasing XO specific parts into separate pages, and then move it to sugarlabs when we're done or c) come up with a way to work in parallel? Thanks for your assistance! [1] wiki.laptop.org/go/HIG ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Not just a casual Team - join the Sugar Labs BugSquad
Hello, the Sugar Labs BugSquad will come together for their first meeting. When: Wednesday the 17th December 2008 at 16.00 (UTC) Where: #sugar-meeting irc.freenode.net We have following agenda: * What is needed in trac to start triaging? * i.e. components, milestones * Meetings: when/if * triage meetings? * Sprints: when/if * maybe coordinated with downstream testing sprints? * Create a list of concrete tasks we expect the BugSquad to do regularly * How can we best help the poor developers? * Triage Policy: * Who is responsible for setting priorities and milestones? * What needs to be happen to mark a ticket as fixed? As *homework* please read through the info at [1] and especially through the first draft of the triage guide at [2] and bring questions and good spirit along with you. Best, Simon [1] http://sugarlabs.org/go/TestingTeam [2] http://sugarlabs.org/go/TestingTeam/TriageGuide [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acanthosoma_haemorrhoidale ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs or Sugar Daddy
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:25 PM, David Farning wrote: > One of the challenges that businesses face is keeping their expenses > below their revenues. Your grandpa would have said, "Don't spend more > than you make." I agree, over a period of time absolutely. But sometimes in business you have to make an upfront investment then get the return later. Consider buying inventory, or in the case I'm working with, creating the materials an curriculum for classes that can then be sold. If we are making an investment we should have a simple model that shows us why we think its a good investment and how the money will be made to pay back the investment. A big +1 to all the stuff I deleted about how business works. i just don't want to clog the thread. > > > I am convinced that the correct business model for Sugar Labs, will be > a combination of licensing the Sugar and Sugar Labs brands to partners > and donations. David, here is where I am not sure I agree. I see a number of other business model possibilities. My problem is I see freedom, innovation and mission diluted in the projects that are focus on licensing their brand and forcing payment for partner status. The obvious example is Moodle, where they limit the number of official partners in a geographical area. This makes it harder for companies to offer innovative services where Moodle is only part of a solution practice. It creates FUD about who can say what and how about Moodle services and hosting. In my model of the perfect future Sugar is part of many different ways of solving a wide range of school, student and educational problems. I want to see Sugar freely remixed and integrated to create local solutions. I'm concerned that liscencing, even of just the brand will add a lot of overhead for the organization and make it hard for organizations to be creative about how they remix. Here are some other views. I think they are not alternatives but opportunies for mix and match. - A church type model - I'm actually not religous so maybe people who are members of churches can help with this. But my understanding is that all are always welcome. A plate is passed and there is an expectation that you will give to support the building and the upkeep. There are often expectations around income to donation. In our case if you are getting money for Sugar remember to send some of that back to Sugar Labs Central for support. Churches also have specific fundraisers for specific causes. - Selling services - having people give workshops, help deployments etc in exchange for fees. - Selling products - Selling books or Sticks at a profit. - Be an umbrella but charge for overhead - Projects that are funded under the umbrella give the main organization overhead payments. - No expenses - Everyone is expected to find a way to make themselves sustainable. - Grants - Apply for grants for organizational overhead. - In Kind donations > > > Let's go get those in-kind donations. +1 What do we need to do as an organization to help with getting in kind donations. Right now it feels like its all in Walters hands and that isn't scalable. > > > david > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:58 AM, David Van Assche wrote: > I have recently done a bunch of bug reports relating to better working > under both sugar/ubuntu and sugar/ubuntu/ltsp. I'm using launchpad, > because that is the home of LTSP and Ubuntu too (and I like its > simplicty.) I've recently tested a cross collaboration setup with thin > terminals, non xo netbooks, and XOs... They all collaborated and > persistently remained in network neighbourhood without problems, even > if the XOs were using salut. Though Using a ejabberd server was > obviously more consistent. I tested many activities, some of which > worked, some of which didn't, but this was more due to Ubuntu than > LTSP per se. I'm now testing LTSP with F10 Sugar too, but I believe > the problems will be common across distros. There should be a new > article about this at olpcnews.com soon. My point above, though, was > really to indicate when focusing on future Sugar and its activities, > there should be testing and bug fixing in this area too. I am very > happy to help with that to make the LTSP Sugar experience common place > across existing labs in schools. Here in Vienna, we have been asked to > expand the existing XO pilot with non xos, and will be using a > combination of sugar usb sticks/cds and LTSP > > One thing we spoke about here locally was getting some thin client > device that was really certified to work with Sugar and whatever > distro... It would be a necessary requirement for country level > deployments... DavidvA Thanks for all of you very good work on thin clients and certification. In my limited experience, the certification works best when done between a distribution and OEM, and driven by customers or organizations that are operating on behalf of customers. Sugar Labs will need to keep the release cycle stable and start scaling up the BugSquad to handle the load. thanks davidf > Kind Regards, > David Van Assche > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> The Resara guys have done a lot of good work in this area already. >> They made a report at Sugar Camp, but I don't know if there are >> associated tickets. >> >> -walter >> >> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 15:18, David Van Assche >>> wrote: LTSP deployments range in the millions worldwide, and are definitely a necessary target for Sugar. Macedonia is just a small example of what has been done elsewhere with terminals that are far cheaper than the falsely advertised $100 laptops. In Brazil alone, there are millions of computers running LTSP on top of k12linux or edubuntu. Sugar Labs should be taking serious notice of thin client technology and adapting the UI to work for it. >>> >>> I agree with you. Do we have an idea of what needs to be done to sugar >>> in order to adapt it as best as possible to LTSP environments? Would >>> be nice to have a tracker ticket in dev.sugarlabs.org about LTSP >>> improvements. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Tomeu >>> LTSP has been around for 10 years now, and as much as people talk about cloud computing, thin clients are getting more available and common, not less... kind Regards, David Van Assche www.nubae.com On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year >> ago... > > I saw that written up at OLPC News. Yes, Ncomputing is still at it, > just like Intel and Microsoft. Competition, you know. Can't have that. > ^_^ > >> I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or >> learning. > > Nothing usable on the site yesterday. Most of the site is down today. > >> But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. > > Perhaps we should have a word with Macedonia and some other countries. > We can't leave all of the sales work to Nicholas any more. > > http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/09/17/226807/macedonia-rolls-out-ncomputing-clients-for-all-school.htm > > 180,000 units > > 1.8 M in India... > >> -walter >> >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edward Cherlin >> wrote: >>> Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like >>> for school deployments? For example, >>> >>> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms >>> http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx >>> >>> They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run >>> Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently >>> saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? >>> >>> -- >>> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name >>> And Children are my nation. >>> The Co
[IAEP] Sugar Labs or Sugar Daddy
One of the challenges that businesses face is keeping their expenses below their revenues. Your grandpa would have said, "Don't spend more than you make." In many respects an open source project is a business. Formally, Sugar Labs is a Not For Profit organized under the umbrella of the Software Freedom Conservancy. As such, we are legally able to do most things that other business can do. We can charge for our product, charge for service contracts to support deployments, and hire employees. The primary differences between Not For Profits and For Profit business is that we must have a clearly stated mission to help humanity and we can not distribute excess profits to shareholders. In short, Sugar Labs must have a clearly defined mission to help humanity, Sugar Labs must follow that mission, and Sugar Labs must use any money we have towards that mission. (Note, this is not the full legal definition. But it is close enough for a general conversation.) In exchange for agreeing to follow those rules(and filing a bunch of paper work) we become a tax exempt organization. At the risk of sounding coarse, Sugar Labs primary goal in any decision is remaining in business. It does not matter how grand our mission, how inspirational our vision, how worthy or goals, or how big our hearts. If we go defunct, we can't accomplish anything. 'Don't spend more then you make.' Remember that from the first paragraph. It does not day don't spend money, nor does it say don't make money. I am convinced that the correct business model for Sugar Labs, will be a combination of licensing the Sugar and Sugar Labs brands to partners and donations. What, this means is that our revenues are pretty low right now. Our brand is currently not strong enough to generate revenue from partners or donors. This is not necessary a bad thing. It just means that we will need to build our brand. Since we have no revenue, we must keep our expenses at zero too:( So, how do we survive until we earn enough revenues to cover expenses. Raising money for specif things and looking for in-kind donations. While raising money for specif things does not scale well, it does allow us to raise money for individual needs. The transaction cost of setting up the capital campaign ensures that we have explored other options first. The other option is in-kind donations. At this point in our life cycle we should avoid transactions and strive for relationships. In a transaction there is an implied exchange of goods of services for the donation. Since our product is so young, these exchanges tend to be in the form of promises of future goods or services. Too many promises and we spend all of our time working on fulfilling promises rather than our mission. Let's go get those in-kind donations. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
I have recently done a bunch of bug reports relating to better working under both sugar/ubuntu and sugar/ubuntu/ltsp. I'm using launchpad, because that is the home of LTSP and Ubuntu too (and I like its simplicty.) I've recently tested a cross collaboration setup with thin terminals, non xo netbooks, and XOs... They all collaborated and persistently remained in network neighbourhood without problems, even if the XOs were using salut. Though Using a ejabberd server was obviously more consistent. I tested many activities, some of which worked, some of which didn't, but this was more due to Ubuntu than LTSP per se. I'm now testing LTSP with F10 Sugar too, but I believe the problems will be common across distros. There should be a new article about this at olpcnews.com soon. My point above, though, was really to indicate when focusing on future Sugar and its activities, there should be testing and bug fixing in this area too. I am very happy to help with that to make the LTSP Sugar experience common place across existing labs in schools. Here in Vienna, we have been asked to expand the existing XO pilot with non xos, and will be using a combination of sugar usb sticks/cds and LTSP One thing we spoke about here locally was getting some thin client device that was really certified to work with Sugar and whatever distro... It would be a necessary requirement for country level deployments... Kind Regards, David Van Assche On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > The Resara guys have done a lot of good work in this area already. > They made a report at Sugar Camp, but I don't know if there are > associated tickets. > > -walter > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 15:18, David Van Assche wrote: >>> LTSP deployments range in the millions worldwide, and are definitely a >>> necessary target for Sugar. Macedonia is just a small example of what >>> has been done elsewhere with terminals that are far cheaper than the >>> falsely advertised $100 laptops. In Brazil alone, there are millions >>> of computers running LTSP on top of k12linux or edubuntu. Sugar Labs >>> should be taking serious notice of thin client technology and adapting >>> the UI to work for it. >> >> I agree with you. Do we have an idea of what needs to be done to sugar >> in order to adapt it as best as possible to LTSP environments? Would >> be nice to have a tracker ticket in dev.sugarlabs.org about LTSP >> improvements. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tomeu >> >>> LTSP has been around for 10 years now, and as >>> much as people talk about cloud computing, thin clients are getting >>> more available and common, not less... >>> >>> kind Regards, >>> David Van Assche >>> www.nubae.com >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year > ago... I saw that written up at OLPC News. Yes, Ncomputing is still at it, just like Intel and Microsoft. Competition, you know. Can't have that. ^_^ > I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or > learning. Nothing usable on the site yesterday. Most of the site is down today. > But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. Perhaps we should have a word with Macedonia and some other countries. We can't leave all of the sales work to Nicholas any more. http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/09/17/226807/macedonia-rolls-out-ncomputing-clients-for-all-school.htm 180,000 units 1.8 M in India... > -walter > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edward Cherlin > wrote: >> Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like >> for school deployments? For example, >> >> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms >> http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx >> >> They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run >> Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently >> saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? >> >> -- >> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name >> And Children are my nation. >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destin
Re: [IAEP] [Flisol] Sugar para el FLISoL era (Re: Propuesta de Afiche FLISOL2009)
+1 -walter 2008/12/16 Hernan Pachas : > Maria, concuerdo contigo y añado algunos comentarios: > 1.- Dos tipos de talleres: > a) Orientado a Docentes, donde se les enseñe como pueden aprovechar las TI > en el desarrollo de sus clases, para ello utilizarian el entorno > SUGAR+Actividades+Entorno Colaborativo, (1-3 actividades) > > b) Orientado a Niños, laboratorios donde los niños puedan APRENDER JUGANDO, > y que tengan a maestros como guias, quizas no dictando un taller, pero si > como guias. > > 2.- Motivar la Distribución e Instalación de Distros+ Sugar, por ejemplo: > Fedora10 > > 3.- Promover el uso de SUGAR como una forma de "aprender a aprender", para > eso se necesitaria el apoyo de la comunidad OLPC/SUGAR, que desee ayudar en > esta tarea. > > 4.- Invitar a los colegios (profesores, padres de familia, alumnos, > comunidad educativa) que en el FLISOL, se contará con una alternativa > educativa motiva en mejorar la calidad educativa. > > Saludos, > ---Hernan > > > > El 16 de diciembre de 2008 0:19, Pilar Saenz escribió: >> >> Hola Hernan >> >> 2008/12/15 Hernan Pachas : >> > Incluiría en esta oportunidad la instalación de SUGAR. >> > http://sugarlabs.org/go/Main_Page >> > >> > Un entorno educativo para niños y maestros. >> > >> > Saludos, >> > --Hernán Pachas >> > >> >> Hay varias cosas... >> >> Yo tengo instalado Sugar en mi debian, tengo sugar en un LiveUSB y >> tambien he usado el liveCD y en este momento me parece mucho mejor >> usar el LiveCD que los otros dispositivos, la razon tengo mayor >> numero de actividades funcionales y un poco mas de estabilidad. No se >> hasta donde sea bueno instalar Sugar en el FLISoL. Me dicen que es >> posible que para la fecha del FLISoL (25 de Abril) ya este funcionando >> mejor Sugar on Debian y Sugar on Ubuntu, pero aun asi, instalar Sugar >> sin que se conozca como o para que se puede usar puede ser >> contraproducente. >> >> Sin embargo hay una alternativa que particularmente usamos en Colombia >> en el FLISoL pasado tanto en Bogotá[1] como en Manizales[2] y fue >> hacer talleres usando los LiveCD de Sugar con niños. En el caso de >> Bogotá, se hizo un taller sobre Etoys y dos talleres de Scratch, en el >> caso de Manizales se exploraron algunos juegos y actividades. Mi >> propuesta es que en los lugares que se pueda se realicen talleres con >> Profesores y niños sobre el uso de Sugar. Cual es la ventaja que veo >> en esto?, que realmente lo que seria interesante alentar es procesos >> de conformacion de comunidades de practica entre los profes y los >> niños, que se les daria una herramienta a aquellos que posiblemente si >> la usen y ademas que garantizamos que conozcan más del proyecto, del >> uso de software libre para educación y de como se podria utilizar esta >> herramienta en su cotidianidad. >> >> Es solo una opinion, pero la pongo en consideracion, un cordial saludo, >> >> [1] >> http://www.flisol.net/FLISOL2008/Colombia/Bogota/TalleresInformaticos#Taller3 >> [2] http://www.flisol.net/FLISOL2008/Colombia/Manizales#Talleres >> >> María del Pilar Sáenz >> http://bogota.flisol.info/ >> >> ___ >> Flisol mailing list >> fli...@listas.el-directorio.org >> http://listas.el-directorio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/flisol > > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Flisol] Sugar para el FLISoL era (Re: Propuesta de Afiche FLISOL2009)
Maria, concuerdo contigo y añado algunos comentarios: 1.- Dos tipos de talleres: a) Orientado a Docentes, donde se les enseñe como pueden aprovechar las TI en el desarrollo de sus clases, para ello utilizarian el entorno SUGAR+Actividades+Entorno Colaborativo, (1-3 actividades) b) Orientado a Niños, laboratorios donde los niños puedan APRENDER JUGANDO, y que tengan a maestros como guias, quizas no dictando un taller, pero si como guias. 2.- Motivar la Distribución e Instalación de Distros+ Sugar, por ejemplo: Fedora10 3.- Promover el uso de SUGAR como una forma de "aprender a aprender", para eso se necesitaria el apoyo de la comunidad OLPC/SUGAR, que desee ayudar en esta tarea. 4.- Invitar a los colegios (profesores, padres de familia, alumnos, comunidad educativa) que en el FLISOL, se contará con una alternativa educativa motiva en mejorar la calidad educativa. Saludos, ---Hernan El 16 de diciembre de 2008 0:19, Pilar Saenz escribió: > Hola Hernan > > 2008/12/15 Hernan Pachas : > > Incluiría en esta oportunidad la instalación de SUGAR. > > http://sugarlabs.org/go/Main_Page > > > > Un entorno educativo para niños y maestros. > > > > Saludos, > > --Hernán Pachas > > > > Hay varias cosas... > > Yo tengo instalado Sugar en mi debian, tengo sugar en un LiveUSB y > tambien he usado el liveCD y en este momento me parece mucho mejor > usar el LiveCD que los otros dispositivos, la razon tengo mayor > numero de actividades funcionales y un poco mas de estabilidad. No se > hasta donde sea bueno instalar Sugar en el FLISoL. Me dicen que es > posible que para la fecha del FLISoL (25 de Abril) ya este funcionando > mejor Sugar on Debian y Sugar on Ubuntu, pero aun asi, instalar Sugar > sin que se conozca como o para que se puede usar puede ser > contraproducente. > > Sin embargo hay una alternativa que particularmente usamos en Colombia > en el FLISoL pasado tanto en Bogotá[1] como en Manizales[2] y fue > hacer talleres usando los LiveCD de Sugar con niños. En el caso de > Bogotá, se hizo un taller sobre Etoys y dos talleres de Scratch, en el > caso de Manizales se exploraron algunos juegos y actividades. Mi > propuesta es que en los lugares que se pueda se realicen talleres con > Profesores y niños sobre el uso de Sugar. Cual es la ventaja que veo > en esto?, que realmente lo que seria interesante alentar es procesos > de conformacion de comunidades de practica entre los profes y los > niños, que se les daria una herramienta a aquellos que posiblemente si > la usen y ademas que garantizamos que conozcan más del proyecto, del > uso de software libre para educación y de como se podria utilizar esta > herramienta en su cotidianidad. > > Es solo una opinion, pero la pongo en consideracion, un cordial saludo, > > [1] > http://www.flisol.net/FLISOL2008/Colombia/Bogota/TalleresInformaticos#Taller3 > [2] http://www.flisol.net/FLISOL2008/Colombia/Manizales#Talleres > > María del Pilar Sáenz > http://bogota.flisol.info/ > > ___ > Flisol mailing list > fli...@listas.el-directorio.org > http://listas.el-directorio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/flisol > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] jobs section in the wiki
Ok, added it under the Resources hierarchy: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Resources/Professional_services http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Resources Regards, Tomeu On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 14:50, Walter Bender wrote: > Wanna create the page? We can fine tune the text in the wiki :) > > We should link it from Resources at a minimum. Anywhere else? And > maybe we want to add a new category tag [[Category:Resources]]? > > -walter > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> First try at a blurb for the top of that page: >> >> "Below are listed individuals and organizations that offer services >> directly related to Sugar but SugarLabs hasn't vetted any information >> contained here. This means that consumers of this page are expected to >> do their own inquiries in order to verify their suitability." >> >> How does it sound? >> >> Regards, >> >> Tomeu >> >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 17:17, Walter Bender wrote: >>> I think it is a very good idea. As Sugar deployments spread, there >>> will be the need for support of all sorts and having a list resources >>> people can draw upon would be very useful. One question: do we vet >>> these posting in any way? I think it would be difficult, so we should >>> be clear in terms of what we say on the page. >>> >>> -walter >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi, should we have a space so that people can request and offer paid services related to Sugar? I'm not under contract with OLPC any more and I'm available for jobs related to Sugar. I think Chema (cc'ed) was as well? Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Walter Bender >>> Sugar Labs >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org >>> >> > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] jobs section in the wiki
Wanna create the page? We can fine tune the text in the wiki :) We should link it from Resources at a minimum. Anywhere else? And maybe we want to add a new category tag [[Category:Resources]]? -walter On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > First try at a blurb for the top of that page: > > "Below are listed individuals and organizations that offer services > directly related to Sugar but SugarLabs hasn't vetted any information > contained here. This means that consumers of this page are expected to > do their own inquiries in order to verify their suitability." > > How does it sound? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 17:17, Walter Bender wrote: >> I think it is a very good idea. As Sugar deployments spread, there >> will be the need for support of all sorts and having a list resources >> people can draw upon would be very useful. One question: do we vet >> these posting in any way? I think it would be difficult, so we should >> be clear in terms of what we say on the page. >> >> -walter >> >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> should we have a space so that people can request and offer paid >>> services related to Sugar? >>> >>> I'm not under contract with OLPC any more and I'm available for jobs >>> related to Sugar. I think Chema (cc'ed) was as well? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Tomeu >>> ___ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> http://www.sugarlabs.org >> > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
The Resara guys have done a lot of good work in this area already. They made a report at Sugar Camp, but I don't know if there are associated tickets. -walter On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 15:18, David Van Assche wrote: >> LTSP deployments range in the millions worldwide, and are definitely a >> necessary target for Sugar. Macedonia is just a small example of what >> has been done elsewhere with terminals that are far cheaper than the >> falsely advertised $100 laptops. In Brazil alone, there are millions >> of computers running LTSP on top of k12linux or edubuntu. Sugar Labs >> should be taking serious notice of thin client technology and adapting >> the UI to work for it. > > I agree with you. Do we have an idea of what needs to be done to sugar > in order to adapt it as best as possible to LTSP environments? Would > be nice to have a tracker ticket in dev.sugarlabs.org about LTSP > improvements. > > Thanks, > > Tomeu > >> LTSP has been around for 10 years now, and as >> much as people talk about cloud computing, thin clients are getting >> more available and common, not less... >> >> kind Regards, >> David Van Assche >> www.nubae.com >> >> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Walter Bender >>> wrote: I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year ago... >>> >>> I saw that written up at OLPC News. Yes, Ncomputing is still at it, >>> just like Intel and Microsoft. Competition, you know. Can't have that. >>> ^_^ >>> I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or learning. >>> >>> Nothing usable on the site yesterday. Most of the site is down today. >>> But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. >>> >>> Perhaps we should have a word with Macedonia and some other countries. >>> We can't leave all of the sales work to Nicholas any more. >>> >>> http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/09/17/226807/macedonia-rolls-out-ncomputing-clients-for-all-school.htm >>> >>> 180,000 units >>> >>> 1.8 M in India... >>> -walter On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like > for school deployments? For example, > > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms > http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx > > They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run > Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently > saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? > > -- > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name > And Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name >>> And Children are my nation. >>> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. >>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai >>> ___ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 15:18, David Van Assche wrote: > LTSP deployments range in the millions worldwide, and are definitely a > necessary target for Sugar. Macedonia is just a small example of what > has been done elsewhere with terminals that are far cheaper than the > falsely advertised $100 laptops. In Brazil alone, there are millions > of computers running LTSP on top of k12linux or edubuntu. Sugar Labs > should be taking serious notice of thin client technology and adapting > the UI to work for it. I agree with you. Do we have an idea of what needs to be done to sugar in order to adapt it as best as possible to LTSP environments? Would be nice to have a tracker ticket in dev.sugarlabs.org about LTSP improvements. Thanks, Tomeu > LTSP has been around for 10 years now, and as > much as people talk about cloud computing, thin clients are getting > more available and common, not less... > > kind Regards, > David Van Assche > www.nubae.com > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Walter Bender >> wrote: >>> I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year >>> ago... >> >> I saw that written up at OLPC News. Yes, Ncomputing is still at it, >> just like Intel and Microsoft. Competition, you know. Can't have that. >> ^_^ >> >>> I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or >>> learning. >> >> Nothing usable on the site yesterday. Most of the site is down today. >> >>> But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. >> >> Perhaps we should have a word with Macedonia and some other countries. >> We can't leave all of the sales work to Nicholas any more. >> >> http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/09/17/226807/macedonia-rolls-out-ncomputing-clients-for-all-school.htm >> >> 180,000 units >> >> 1.8 M in India... >> >>> -walter >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like for school deployments? For example, http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Walter Bender >>> Sugar Labs >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name >> And Children are my nation. >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Joining XOCamp (Was: XOCamp fundraising (and, please sign up to donate)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi again, On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:02:22PM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: >On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 04:19:54PM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: >>>It's getting to be time to buy tickets for XOCamp 2, which is in >>>under a month now. Those of us who'd like to come from far away would >>>love to know whether we can get some financial support for our >>>journey. >> >> I am wondering: Do you guys think it would be relevant for me to >> participate in this? >> >> I mean, I don't develop activities themselves and am not a >> construcionism theorist. I "just" do packaging for Debian an >> Debian-edu, and do what I can to unite the Sugar packaging efforts of >> .deb based distros. >> >> I do not foubt that I am welcome. Question is more if you imagine >> that it would be beneficial for the project - also as I would like to >> request financial support for my travel costs (I live in Denmark). > >Your presence would be highly beneficial. We have been having serious >packaging problems. I don't know how they differ between distros, but I >feel the lack every day on Ubuntu. Ok. I'll attend. :-) Next challenge: As foreigner I need to state my place of residence already when I book my flight. I want to keep this as low-cost as possible so would much love if either a) I could lend a corner for my sleeping bag privately at someone living in the area, or b) someone could help recommend a hostel or similar low-end accomodation that is nearby or easy to reach by public transportation. Well, right now I don't really need a final commitment of letting me into your house privately (we might not like each other when we meet in person), just a verifiable nearby home address that I can use when filling out my forms (I can't imagine it is illegal to change my mind regarding residence after I arrive). >> I can offer to stay longer in the area, before and/or after the >> event, if anyone would find that beneficial. Flights at Icelandair (with the added bonus of a stop-over with refreshing trip to a hot bath) are cheapest from saturday 10th an onwards. I plan to stay an additional week, and would be happy to engage in local activities in the area - just get in touch with me if you see my participation relevant somewhere until january 24th! Looking forward to meet you all! - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklHrGwACgkQn7DbMsAkQLiJKQCePKIzQ9H7D7fjjWTPXz4Je1mi CYIAoKZXSSfyg0lJH+7pMZ/ZB4iJpVlL =o+uH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2008-12-15
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 18:34, David Farning wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 18:15, David Farning wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Walter Bender >>> wrote: === Sugar Digest === 6. GNOME: I will be representing Sugar on the GNOME foundation board of advisers. If you have any Sugar-related concerns you would like voiced, please let me know. >>> >>> An issue to consider is the feasibility of building Sugar on Gnome >>> Mobile. Gnome is currently working on defining and branding Gnome >>> Mobile. >>> >>> The biggest advantage would be the reduction in foot print. I have >>> not looked into it far enough to know if gnome mobile provides the >>> necessary services to support Sugar. >> >> I think we should be at least quite close, and you are right that >> could be quite interesting to get sugar to run well on existing GNOME >> Mobile distros, specially with all those MIPS and ARM-based netbooks >> coming soon. >> >> And we'll have to keep working on reducing Sugar's memory footprint. >> > Tomue, > > Do you have time to look into this? If it looks workable? We can > start looking for Gnome developer with an interest in education:) Once we solve this: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/28 I think we are pretty well. I already had it in my todo list. Other issues to check are dependencies on HAL and OHM, though those should be pretty self contained and easy to fall back on something else if those components are not available, though both are being considered for inclusion into the GNOME Mobile platform. Is there any hw platform for which already exists a linux distro with all the GNOME Mobile components and for which we want Sugar ported to? Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar for Service Learning
Often I think that institutions like a Science Museum just need just a couple of laptops running Sugar. With 30 they tend to be boxed and only get handed out when it is 'safe' to do so. With just one they miss out on the collaboration feature (akin to handing out a mobile phone and just inviting them to play with the address book function), With at least two, things can start to cook .. Imagine a public foyer with a ring of six OLPC computes or Sugar enabled NetBooks that kids can click and play with, glued or secured to a round oard .. painted out with a world map or UN logo, .. and perhaps a central solar charger / crank charger. Some laminated cards with background info and some basic "Try this" Sugar instructions, perhaps also a face and profile for each laptop that gives a case study or background to a current OLPC owner in different 'third world countries'. Just a thought but it could be used to inspire other science museums to give the idea a try. I would love to chat this over with the local science museum (Joel / Bill / Tony?). A couple of years ago I volunteered to help with the education resource activities on for CSIRAC, the last first-generation computer. http://museumvictoria.com.au/CSIRAC/ Regards Roland 2008/12/16 Edward Cherlin > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Edward Cherlin > wrote: > > >> Earth Treasury is starting a project to create digital textbooks and > >> teacher training materials. > > > > Ed, can you please include a URL when you make statements like this? > > It was announced on this mailing list. As it happens, you can now look > at Creating textbooks in the SL Wiki. Sugar Labs, Alan Kay's > Viewpoints Research, The Doug Engelbart Institute at SRI, FLOSS > Manuals, Creative Commons, and OLE have expressed strong interest. > > >> Currently I am without an XO, > > > > Only temporary, I hope. How did this happen? > > The B2 is temporarily in pieces, and a B4 was stolen along with my > regular laptop. > > >> The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose would like in principle to > >> be a test site, > > > > Now this would be fantastic. > > They are committed in principle, as I said. That came about during the > Program for the Future conference last week, when Peter Friess > complained during a presentation that Apple won't let The Tech have > prototype iPhones and such like to display. Since OLPC and Google > handed out prototypes fairly widely during development, I assured him > that we could make a deal. We are arranging to meet for substantive > discussions. The Exploratorium and Zeum in San Francisco have > expressed some interest, also. I would love to see an XO being a > digital oscilloscope or a microscope at the Exploratorium. > > I would like it even better if someone were willing to buy each > institution 30 or more XOs, so that they could bring in whole classes > from schools for one-to-one computing. Say, 100 from GiveMany for SF, > for the Exploratorium, the Zeum, and the CA Academy of Sciences; and > 100 for Silicon Valley, for The Tech, The Children's Discovery Museum, > and...I don't know. I'm sure we'll find a place. > > Similarly, I would like to do the Children's Museum in Indianapolis, > the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, the Smithsonian, and so > on and on. > > > SJ > > > > > > -- > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name > And Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] jobs section in the wiki
First try at a blurb for the top of that page: "Below are listed individuals and organizations that offer services directly related to Sugar but SugarLabs hasn't vetted any information contained here. This means that consumers of this page are expected to do their own inquiries in order to verify their suitability." How does it sound? Regards, Tomeu On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 17:17, Walter Bender wrote: > I think it is a very good idea. As Sugar deployments spread, there > will be the need for support of all sorts and having a list resources > people can draw upon would be very useful. One question: do we vet > these posting in any way? I think it would be difficult, so we should > be clear in terms of what we say on the page. > > -walter > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> Hi, >> >> should we have a space so that people can request and offer paid >> services related to Sugar? >> >> I'm not under contract with OLPC any more and I'm available for jobs >> related to Sugar. I think Chema (cc'ed) was as well? >> >> Regards, >> >> Tomeu >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Most useful honey activities
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:46, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Aleksey Lim wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm going to package honey activities for school disto. Could anyone suggest >> most useful activities from educational point of view for 0.82.x? > > Hi, teachers from uruguay have been sharing with us which activities > are most used by their students, two links from the archive: Oh, and also, activities that make most sense to be packaged are Write, Etoys, Paint and Read because depend on other packages or because contain compiled code. Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Most useful honey activities
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm going to package honey activities for school disto. Could anyone suggest > most useful activities from educational point of view for 0.82.x? Hi, teachers from uruguay have been sharing with us which activities are most used by their students, two links from the archive: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2008-November/001485.html (see html attachment) http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2008-November/001495.html (see .doc attachment) HTH, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] TestingTeam -> Bugsquad
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 17:28, Eben Eliason wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Simon Schampijer >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> we agreed in the QA-Meeting to rename the TestingTeam to Bugsquad [1]. >>> Can someone with wiki powers move TestingTeam/* to BugSquad/*? Can someone do this move or tell me what I need to do to get it done? Thanks, Simon ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
