Re: [IAEP] Sugar platform overview
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 08:27, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > I think having central [meta-db] has many benefits: > - collaboration: everybody works in one "trunk" > not doing the same work while packaging sugar for various distros > patches/content could be moved from [backends] level to [meta-db] level > and everybody could benefit from that > - flexibility: we could choose any format for sugar packaging, > it needs only proper templates > - central db is the simplest way to discover sugar and adding new components > > Note: > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/jhconvert > could be considered as one of the possible prototypes Sounds good to me if packagers think that will help them. Though I'm not sure who would maintain such db? The packaging teams themselves? Do you know of any other upstream project that has such a facility? Thanks, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar platform overview
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 10:18:51AM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 08:27, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > > > I think having central [meta-db] has many benefits: > > - collaboration: everybody works in one "trunk" > > not doing the same work while packaging sugar for various distros > > patches/content could be moved from [backends] level to [meta-db] level > > and everybody could benefit from that > > - flexibility: we could choose any format for sugar packaging, > > it needs only proper templates > > - central db is the simplest way to discover sugar and adding new components > > > > Note: > > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/jhconvert > > could be considered as one of the possible prototypes > > Sounds good to me if packagers think that will help them. Though I'm > not sure who would maintain such db? The packaging teams themselves? packaging teams I think, and thats not tracking dependencies from scratch - there is jhbuild's imports, only maintaining stuff thats valuable from packagers point of view (for example jhbuild could rely on existence of one package and thats not true in case of specific distro). Moreover tracking dependencies is only one part of meta info > Do you know of any other upstream project that has such a facility? cant say something -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar platform overview
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 10:18:51AM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 08:27, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > > > I think having central [meta-db] has many benefits: > > - collaboration: everybody works in one "trunk" > > not doing the same work while packaging sugar for various distros > > patches/content could be moved from [backends] level to [meta-db] level > > and everybody could benefit from that > > - flexibility: we could choose any format for sugar packaging, > > it needs only proper templates > > - central db is the simplest way to discover sugar and adding new components > > > > Note: > > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/jhconvert > > could be considered as one of the possible prototypes > > Sounds good to me if packagers think that will help them. in fact, its only my own outlook (while packaging sugar for gentoo and alt) I couldn't say for all packagers. Besides, it could be hard to maintain for significantly amount of distros (but valuable for small distros). -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Request for help packaging activities for Sugar on a Stick
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Are these differences documented somewhere? Perhaps even isolated in > patchsets against upstream code? Unfortunately they aren't yet. I will try to document them on the wiki as part of the activities packaging work. Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] FUDcon + XOCamp talks
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > In general, I have been giving a lots of thoughts to the Sugar Labs > BugSquad (e.g. what additions we need in trac and the general workflow > http://sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad/StatusFields). At the moment I am > waiting a bit on people returning after christmas and new year to set > things in stone :) I haven't synced with Simon yet but I'll do so before leaving. Also we had a good discussion with him and Mel about general process some weeks ago. So I can present on this. Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Flash at Sugar Labs
OpenLaszlo anyone? Not that I especially know what I'm talking about, but I get the impression it's trying to be an alternative to Flash, as well as accomodating Flash. Details at: http://www.openlaszlo.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenLaszlo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Flash at Sugar Labs
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > It seems to me that > Sugar exists because we claim at least the following failings of most > educational software projects: > > * they don't allow the knowledge they contain to be *appropriated*. > * they don't allow children to be *creators* > * they don't allow learning to be *collaborated upon* I totally agree with these, but let me add two more perhaps unstated ones. 1. Existing educational software costs a lot of *money*, or else is *poorly designed*. In my state, entire classes of elementary school students receive MacBooks from the school, loaded with advanced educational software. Even with Apple's massive discounting, the hardware + software must cost around $1500 per student. Further, a lot of the existing open source educational software is fairly weak. It's even further behind the open source desktop software, which still has a long way to go to catch up with Microsoft, Apple and the other commercial vendors. To me, Sugar represents the best effort yet to provide actual quality, cohesive educational software as free software. Some Flash animations are poorly designed, but many are not, they can be made quickly and targeted at specific educational goals. The deployments have access to trained Flash programmers who are willing to help out. 2. Existing educational software does not *run on the XO*. The XO is the cheap hardware platform we are delivering to under served children, so what software they can use to learn with must run on this limited platform. Flash programs don't run great right now, but with some tweaking I believe they could probably be made to run acceptably. Best, -Wade ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] XOCamp diplomas? + beg for housing
*1. Diplomas* I know it sounds ridiculous, but here in Guatemala every conference or training anybody goes to hands out nicely-printed diplomas, many of which say you are now a Certified Educational Quality Monitor or some such bullshit. The diplomas are common as dirt; the people who pay any attention to them, rarer, but the latter do exist and sometimes hold positions of power. I'd like one for XOCamp, and I suspect some kind of pretentious record of our attendance would be useful to some other attendees too. I'd be happy to throw something together. I would need a list of attendees who want them, and 1 or 2 people with official titles to sign the things; and I'd like some resources for printing the things (printer and nice paper, or a few bucks to acquire [the use of] those). *2. Housing beg *I will be in Boston from the night of the 12th (Monday, arriving on a late train) to that of the 17th (leaving by train on the morning of the 18th). I am confident that I can, if necessary, find housing independently of this list; but it would be nicer to be staying with other XO people. If anybody has a couch/room available, please let me know privately. Thanks. Jameson ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XOCamp diplomas? + beg for housing
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jameson Quinn wrote: > 1. Diplomas > > I know it sounds ridiculous, but here in Guatemala every conference or > training anybody goes to hands out nicely-printed diplomas, many of which > say you are now a Certified Educational Quality Monitor or some such > bullshit. The diplomas are common as dirt; the people who pay any attention > to them, rarer, but the latter do exist and sometimes hold positions of > power. I'd like one for XOCamp, and I suspect some kind of pretentious > record of our attendance would be useful to some other attendees too. Keep reminding us about this. The idea is so foreign to me that I keep forgetting to follow up on it. > I'd be happy to throw something together. I would need a list of attendees > who want them, and 1 or 2 people with official titles to sign the things; > and I'd like some resources for printing the things (printer and nice paper, > or a few bucks to acquire [the use of] those). If you could put this together that would be great. We can then use that as an example for future events. I can get you the money. We can take care of the details in person in Boston. david > 2. Housing beg > > I will be in Boston from the night of the 12th (Monday, arriving on a late > train) to that of the 17th (leaving by train on the morning of the 18th). I > am confident that I can, if necessary, find housing independently of this > list; but it would be nicer to be staying with other XO people. If anybody > has a couch/room available, please let me know privately. Thanks. > > Jameson > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Thoughts on Pedagogy and supporting activity creators
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > Yes we need to think about whether these people are using Python, eToys, > JavaScript or Flash to convert these worksheets into a Sugarized activity, > but we also need to think about how the process of Sugarizing can help them > create a more effective learning experience for these students then the > original mimeographed exercises. +1! I think looking beyond technicalities this is a very important point. (Yeah, I'll share my thoughts about technicalities too, as soon as I managed to get email backlog under control!). Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XOCamp diplomas? + beg for housing
Hi Jameson, On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM, David Farning wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jameson Quinn > wrote: >> 1. Diplomas >> >> I know it sounds ridiculous, but here in Guatemala every conference or Not /that/ ridiculous. > Keep reminding us about this. The idea is so foreign to me that I > keep forgetting to follow up on it. > >> I'd be happy to throw something together. I would need a list of attendees >> who want them, and 1 or 2 people with official titles to sign the things; >> and I'd like some resources for printing the things (printer and nice paper, >> or a few bucks to acquire [the use of] those). > > If you could put this together that would be great. We can then use Seconded. Send what you throw together to the lists, and we can give you feedback. And we can get it printed up here so you don't have to travel with them / we can fill out last-minute attendees. [also, it doesn't make sense to give them out /before/ people attend... so that they preserve whatever little value they have] >> 2. Housing beg >> >> I will be in Boston from the night of the 12th (Monday, arriving on a late >> train) to that of the 17th (leaving by train on the morning of the 18th). I >> am confident that I can, if necessary, find housing independently of this >> list; but it would be nicer to be staying with other XO people. If anybody >> has a couch/room available, please let me know privately. Thanks. We need an [[XO couchsurfing]] page. I'll get back to you on the availability of our Cambridge couch. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XOCamp diplomas? + beg for housing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 12:25:00PM -0500, Samuel Klein wrote: >Hi Jameson, >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jameson Quinn >> wrote: >>> 2. Housing beg >>> >>> I will be in Boston from the night of the 12th (Monday, arriving on >>> a late train) to that of the 17th (leaving by train on the morning >>> of the 18th). I am confident that I can, if necessary, find housing >>> independently of this list; but it would be nicer to be staying with >>> other XO people. If anybody has a couch/room available, please let >>> me know privately. Thanks. > >We need an [[XO couchsurfing]] page. I'll get back to you on the >availability of our Cambridge couch. Please post to the list rather than privately - or at least keep me in the loop too. :-) - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkljog4ACgkQn7DbMsAkQLg+aQCgopyGWQE8KFzTnqwDtgFyV3fc iRoAni2wWk4F6bS13gspJdhnF7se25LM =1P5l -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XOCamp diplomas? + beg for housing
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: 2. Housing beg I will be in Boston from the night of the 12th (Monday, arriving on a late train) to that of the 17th (leaving by train on the morning of the 18th). I am confident that I can, if necessary, find housing independently of this list; but it would be nicer to be staying with other XO people. If anybody has a couch/room available, please let me know privately. Thanks. >> >>We need an [[XO couchsurfing]] page. I'll get back to you on the >>availability of our Cambridge couch. > > Please post to the list rather than privately - or at least keep me in > the loop too. :-) Hey, it's a big couch (-: Jonas, I take it you need a place too? Please update with your own couch info: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_couchsurfing SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] TurtleArt update
I've created a new version of Turtle Art I'd like some feedback on before I make it an official release. There are three significant additions: (1) I folded in the Turtle Art with Sensors panel so that you can use volume, pitch, etc. as inputs to the turtle. (It works on non-OLPC-XO hardware, but you cannot use the voltage and resistance inputs.) (2) I added (with help from Luis Michelena) some new box and stack blocks that let you name variables and procedures. (3) I added push and pop (currently enabled only in the English version). This is in response to requests to be able to pass arguments into stacks. I thought it a simple, powerful mechanism, although I expect it may be controversial. http://sugarlabs.org/wiki/images/9/96/TurtleArt-28.xo -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Thoughts on Pedagogy and supporting activity creators
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Caroline Meeks > wrote: > > Yes we need to think about whether these people are using Python, eToys, > > JavaScript or Flash to convert these worksheets into a Sugarized > activity, > > but we also need to think about how the process of Sugarizing can help > them > > create a more effective learning experience for these students then the > > original mimeographed exercises. > > +1! I think looking beyond technicalities this is a very important > point. (Yeah, I'll share my thoughts about technicalities too, as soon > as I managed to get email backlog under control!). Knowing and Teaching Elementary Mathematics: Teachers' Understanding of Fundamental Mathematics in China and the United States (Studies in Mathematical Thinking and Learning.)Liping Ma http://books.google.com.au/books?id=EjkKBotJcyIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:Liping+inauthor:Ma#PPP1,M1 looks fantastic, I read the contents page, forward and introduction from the google books URL foundational knowledge: one and three quarters divided by a half ** Make up a good story to represent that problem ** This question needs to be asked first before deciding whether to use flash, javascript, python, etoys or scratch to represent that story ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Thoughts on Pedagogy and supporting activity creators
Exactly right Bill! What the learner needs to help them learn comes before all. This will lead to what kinds of materials hard and soft can support their learning. (The context for these two sentences is that we also need to have a real idea of what it is we'd like to help them learn, and this can range from "whatever strikes their fancy" to e.g. "it would be really good to help everyone learn real mathematical thinking and doing".) Cheers, Alan From: Bill Kerr To: Marco Pesenti Gritti Cc: iaep ; "Costello, Rob R" Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 3:37:01 PM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Thoughts on Pedagogy and supporting activity creators On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > Yes we need to think about whether these people are using Python, eToys, > JavaScript or Flash to convert these worksheets into a Sugarized activity, > but we also need to think about how the process of Sugarizing can help them > create a more effective learning experience for these students then the > original mimeographed exercises. +1! I think looking beyond technicalities this is a very important point. (Yeah, I'll share my thoughts about technicalities too, as soon as I managed to get email backlog under control!). Knowing and Teaching Elementary Mathematics: Teachers' Understanding of Fundamental Mathematics in China and the United States (Studies in Mathematical Thinking and Learning.)Liping Ma http://books.google.com.au/books?id=EjkKBotJcyIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:Liping+inauthor:Ma#PPP1,M1 looks fantastic, I read the contents page, forward and introduction from the google books URL foundational knowledge: one and three quarters divided by a half ** Make up a good story to represent that problem ** This question needs to be asked first before deciding whether to use flash, javascript, python, etoys or scratch to represent that story ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Thoughts on Pedagogy and supporting activity creators
"it would be really good to help everyone learn real mathematical thinking and doing" -walter On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Alan Kay wrote: > Exactly right Bill! > > What the learner needs to help them learn comes before all. This will lead > to what kinds of materials hard and soft can support their learning. > > (The context for these two sentences is that we also need to have a real > idea of what it is we'd like to help them learn, and this can range from > "whatever strikes their fancy" to e.g. "it would be really good to help > everyone learn real mathematical thinking and doing".) > > Cheers, > > Alan > > > From: Bill Kerr > To: Marco Pesenti Gritti > Cc: iaep ; "Costello, Rob R" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 3:37:01 PM > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Thoughts on Pedagogy and supporting activity creators > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti > wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Caroline Meeks >> wrote: >> > Yes we need to think about whether these people are using Python, eToys, >> > JavaScript or Flash to convert these worksheets into a Sugarized >> > activity, >> > but we also need to think about how the process of Sugarizing can help >> > them >> > create a more effective learning experience for these students then the >> > original mimeographed exercises. >> >> +1! I think looking beyond technicalities this is a very important >> point. (Yeah, I'll share my thoughts about technicalities too, as soon >> as I managed to get email backlog under control!). > > Knowing and Teaching Elementary Mathematics: Teachers' Understanding of > Fundamental Mathematics in China and the United States (Studies in > Mathematical Thinking and Learning.) > > Liping Ma > > http://books.google.com.au/books?id=EjkKBotJcyIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:Liping+inauthor:Ma#PPP1,M1 > > looks fantastic, I read the contents page, forward and introduction from the > google books URL > > foundational knowledge: one and three quarters divided by a half > > ** Make up a good story to represent that problem ** > > This question needs to be asked first before deciding whether to use flash, > javascript, python, etoys or scratch to represent that story > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] FOSDEM'09 & Community Meetup
Hi all, plans are underway when it comes to representing OLPC / Sugar at FOSDEM'09 (http://www.fosdem.org/2009/) taking place in Brussels (Belgium) on the weekend of February 7... Also the idea to have a community meetup in the Brussels on the day before FOSDEM has been floated and it sounds like there's enough interest to really make it happen. I've started collecting some information on http://sugarlabs.org/go/MarketingTeam/Events/FOSDEM_2009 - please add your thoughts, comments and ideas there or discuss them on the list. Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Thoughts on Pedagogy and supporting activity creators
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Alan Kay wrote: > Exactly right Bill! > > What the learner needs to help them learn comes before all. This will lead > to what kinds of materials hard and soft can support their learning. > Nod, and one of our learner groups are the teachers! When we are creating our activity creation frameworks we are creating materials that will support their learning. > > > (The context for these two sentences is that we also need to have a real > idea of what it is we'd like to help them learn, and this can range from > "whatever strikes their fancy" to e.g. "it would be really good to help > everyone learn real mathematical thinking and doing".) > this is pretty powerful. Might be worth creating a wiki page to think together about this. > > > Cheers, > > Alan > > -- > *From:* Bill Kerr > *To:* Marco Pesenti Gritti > *Cc:* iaep ; "Costello, Rob R" < > costello.ro...@edumail.vic.gov.au> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 6, 2009 3:37:01 PM > *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] Thoughts on Pedagogy and supporting activity > creators > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti < > marc...@sugarlabs.org> wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Caroline Meeks >> wrote: >> > Yes we need to think about whether these people are using Python, eToys, >> > JavaScript or Flash to convert these worksheets into a Sugarized >> activity, >> > but we also need to think about how the process of Sugarizing can help >> them >> > create a more effective learning experience for these students then the >> > original mimeographed exercises. >> >> +1! I think looking beyond technicalities this is a very important >> point. (Yeah, I'll share my thoughts about technicalities too, as soon >> as I managed to get email backlog under control!). > > > > Knowing and Teaching Elementary Mathematics: Teachers' Understanding of > Fundamental Mathematics in China and the United States (Studies in > Mathematical Thinking and Learning.)Liping Ma > > > http://books.google.com.au/books?id=EjkKBotJcyIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:Liping+inauthor:Ma#PPP1,M1 > > looks fantastic, I read the contents page, forward and introduction from > the google books URL > > foundational knowledge: one and three quarters divided by a half > > ** Make up a good story to represent that problem ** > > This question needs to be asked first before deciding whether to use flash, > javascript, python, etoys or scratch to represent that story > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
