[IAEP] Unified Objects (was Unified bundles)
Wade, Here are a couple of /very/ quick thoughts for you. Please let me know which ones are helpful and which are simply confusing (or misguided). Michael The basic premises of this rant are that we need to be able to mix, match and dissect activities so therefore activities should consist of remixable facets, i.e. nestable layered segments. Furthermore, Filesystems rock for nestable layered segments, so let's use more of them! Now here's a mess of ideas from which these three basic intuitions originate: 1. It would be nice to be able to generate various views of what the user can do with shell globs rather than by writing complicated queries over in-memory data-structures that have to be fully loaded and locked into RAM before you can render anything... 2. Activities need to expose their API to the shell. In particular, we /need/ to be able to get an activity to self-test a system for deps, to run non-graphical tests, to run graphical tests, to run network tests, to run a demo or tutorial of itself, to show its source, ... 3. One interesting way to think about (1) and (2), which I have previously discussed with Eben, is in the context of the Plan 9 plumber. Go read about it. 4. Modifying activities is currently a pain in Sugar because you have to reboot sugar for changes to take effect. Let's use inotify/dnotify/FAM/ or git-like fast change detection to fix that. 5. Scott has worked out some cool ideas for browsing, tagging, and version control in his journal2 and olpcfs2 work. Scott -- did you ever implement the GIO-based launcher? 6. Filesystems can be efficiently and incrementally shared over networks in standard ways; e.g. 9P, rsync, cerebro. Furthermore, we can ride the wave of advances in network filesystem research over the coming years. 7. If activities are supposed to have per-activity or even per-instance permissions, then Rainbow really needs a way to authoritatively distinguish activities (instances). This certainly means that some control of permissions is needed. If networks are involved, then this also means cryptography. Naturally, the crypto can be optional, can be implemented later, etc.; however, the spec still needs to define something workable. The major thing needed at the moment is a per-thread public key to be used to sign manifests of updates and a minimum cover over which to generate a manifest. (We might also specify a more inclusive cover as a handy error-detection mechanism.) 8. Pursuant to (7), it would be really good to use the same format for journal entries as for activities themselves. That way, the search, plumbing, network browsing, version control, permissions, and crypto stuff can be shared. 9. A rough list of facets that this format should expose: translations, HTML help, automated tests, permissions, integrity data, arch-specific optimizations, public APIs (incl. data, e.g. sound or icon libraries) for other activities, and UI continuations, i.e. resumable instances, i.e. Journal entries ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] Beta Image and Boot Helper - please TEST!
fabulous work! I'd love to create a label but i'm really underwater right now :-( Sean On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Hi all, I think we might have some news you could be interested in: The SoaS Beta image has been composed and uploaded, so you can grab it now already, even if it's scheduled for release tomorrow. The link is here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/soas-beta.iso Secondly, we've a boot helper now based on F11 ready! So if your BIOS doesn't support booting from an USB key, you can just download this additional iso, burn it to a CD and boot from it while having your USB key plugged in: http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/soas-boot.iso Note that if you're going to use the boot helper, your USB key (or other device) needs to be named FEDORA. This is really a requirement! Both the liveusb-creator and the livecd-iso-to-disk script support this now. The latter one changes this automatically when being run with the --format argument (this removes all your data on the key, though). You can grab a new version here: http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh Please test this combination, as it's an important part to get SoaS working on older hardware! Finally, if somebody could create a CD label for the boot helper disk, this would be really great! Thanks and happy testing! --Sebastian ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Prep for FOSS VT
Caroline - can you tell me how you are burning SoaS on your Mac? thanks Sean On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:48 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: We have a beta release and I have a way to burn multiple USBs on my mac. When it boots it works pretty well! It even connects to a Jabber server for collaboration. People who get it to boot will be impressed. The bad news is the current beta release is not working at all with the Boot Helper CD The error is Bug in initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck! bash: no job control in this shell. This is a shame because giving people a CD is much easier then walking them through changing their BIOS. Also at the wild (as evidenced by the YMCA and the Gardner School) many computers (about 50% of the Y and the entire computer lab at the Gardner) can't be made to boot from a USB. With luck the laptops people will be carrying at the conference will be newer and boot from USBs. So I'm debating whether I burn both SoaS1 and SoaS2 so we have something for people who need to use a CD? Any hope of getting the boot helper fixed? The other thing that would be really excellent for Friday would be a working Virtual Box install. If we got one working we could burn it onto a couple of sticks and just pass it around to the Mac users. The final thing on my wish list is a way to show off eBooks. Great work and thanks to all who have worked so hard. We have made tremendous progress! Cheers, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] design meeting
Hi there I'd like to propose a design meeting this Sunday to discuss a test protocol that we can use to help evaluate the Home view. Please join us at 11am EST (3pm UTC) on Sunday at #sugar-meeting. Cheers, Christian -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Prep for FOSS VT
Thanks Caroline what syntax are you using for the dd command? Are you using bs= or count= values? I think there may be a more elegant CLI command to unattach or dismount volumes reducing Mac complaints and unwritten-to sticks, I had bookmarled a link on that wiill look for it I guess you are using an Intel Mac under Tiger v10.4 or Leopard v10.5? many thanks On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: This is far from elegant but here is what I'm doing. I used a windows machine to make a USB Stick. I used dd in a terminal to make an image of it. Compress the image Rename it .Z Open up DiskUtility now I'm ready to burn. Put in a fresh USB stick. Use Information in Disk Utility to find the disk number. UnMount the disk (don't eject! use unmount in Disk Utility) Open a new window in Terminal. (Command T) sudo zcat ./SoaS2-Beta-4-8.img.Z /dev/disk1 (change disk number for each disk) Repeat with the next USB until both hubs are full. Its not returning in the terminal when its done. After a while (about 30 min or so) they all stop flashing. I can't eject them. I just pull the plug on the port and let the mac complain at me. I spot check a few to see if the boot starts. So far I have 4 USBs that seem to be bad and even with repeated tries give me boot error. Reboot the mac, an hour after I've finished system is still using 90% of the CPU. Certainly in now way teacher ready but seems to be working. The real test will be tomorrow. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Caroline - can you tell me how you are burning SoaS on your Mac? thanks Sean On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:48 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: We have a beta release and I have a way to burn multiple USBs on my mac. When it boots it works pretty well! It even connects to a Jabber server for collaboration. People who get it to boot will be impressed. The bad news is the current beta release is not working at all with the Boot Helper CD The error is Bug in initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck! bash: no job control in this shell. This is a shame because giving people a CD is much easier then walking them through changing their BIOS. Also at the wild (as evidenced by the YMCA and the Gardner School) many computers (about 50% of the Y and the entire computer lab at the Gardner) can't be made to boot from a USB. With luck the laptops people will be carrying at the conference will be newer and boot from USBs. So I'm debating whether I burn both SoaS1 and SoaS2 so we have something for people who need to use a CD? Any hope of getting the boot helper fixed? The other thing that would be really excellent for Friday would be a working Virtual Box install. If we got one working we could burn it onto a couple of sticks and just pass it around to the Mac users. The final thing on my wish list is a way to show off eBooks. Great work and thanks to all who have worked so hard. We have made tremendous progress! Cheers, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] design meeting
Sounds Great. Is the main issue unifying the look and feel of the Sugar Labs web services? Secondly, would you contact Fed Grose (CCed) about scheduling the meeting on the Sugar Labs gCalendar? I looks like he has made enough improvement that it is worth trying again. thanks david On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there I'd like to propose a design meeting this Sunday to discuss a test protocol that we can use to help evaluate the Home view. Please join us at 11am EST (3pm UTC) on Sunday at #sugar-meeting. Cheers, Christian -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] design meeting
Hi David--this is mainly for the Sugar UI. We can talk about the unified nav bar during another meeting. Fred, let me know if we can use gCalendar... Thanks! Christian On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:27 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: Sounds Great. Is the main issue unifying the look and feel of the Sugar Labs web services? Secondly, would you contact Fed Grose (CCed) about scheduling the meeting on the Sugar Labs gCalendar? I looks like he has made enough improvement that it is worth trying again. thanks david On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there I'd like to propose a design meeting this Sunday to discuss a test protocol that we can use to help evaluate the Home view. Please join us at 11am EST (3pm UTC) on Sunday at #sugar-meeting. Cheers, Christian -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] design meeting
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 16:03, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there I'd like to propose a design meeting this Sunday to discuss a test protocol that we can use to help evaluate the Home view. Please join us at 11am EST (3pm UTC) on Sunday at #sugar-meeting. I won't be able to attend, but will follow up afterwards. Regards, Tomeu Cheers, Christian -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Prep for FOSS VT
dd if=/dev/disk1 of=./SoaS-Beta.img On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Caroline what syntax are you using for the dd command? Are you using bs= or count= values? I think there may be a more elegant CLI command to unattach or dismount volumes reducing Mac complaints and unwritten-to sticks, I had bookmarled a link on that wiill look for it I guess you are using an Intel Mac under Tiger v10.4 or Leopard v10.5? many thanks On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: This is far from elegant but here is what I'm doing. I used a windows machine to make a USB Stick. I used dd in a terminal to make an image of it. Compress the image Rename it .Z Open up DiskUtility now I'm ready to burn. Put in a fresh USB stick. Use Information in Disk Utility to find the disk number. UnMount the disk (don't eject! use unmount in Disk Utility) Open a new window in Terminal. (Command T) sudo zcat ./SoaS2-Beta-4-8.img.Z /dev/disk1 (change disk number for each disk) Repeat with the next USB until both hubs are full. Its not returning in the terminal when its done. After a while (about 30 min or so) they all stop flashing. I can't eject them. I just pull the plug on the port and let the mac complain at me. I spot check a few to see if the boot starts. So far I have 4 USBs that seem to be bad and even with repeated tries give me boot error. Reboot the mac, an hour after I've finished system is still using 90% of the CPU. Certainly in now way teacher ready but seems to be working. The real test will be tomorrow. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Caroline - can you tell me how you are burning SoaS on your Mac? thanks Sean On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:48 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: We have a beta release and I have a way to burn multiple USBs on my mac. When it boots it works pretty well! It even connects to a Jabber server for collaboration. People who get it to boot will be impressed. The bad news is the current beta release is not working at all with the Boot Helper CD The error is Bug in initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck! bash: no job control in this shell. This is a shame because giving people a CD is much easier then walking them through changing their BIOS. Also at the wild (as evidenced by the YMCA and the Gardner School) many computers (about 50% of the Y and the entire computer lab at the Gardner) can't be made to boot from a USB. With luck the laptops people will be carrying at the conference will be newer and boot from USBs. So I'm debating whether I burn both SoaS1 and SoaS2 so we have something for people who need to use a CD? Any hope of getting the boot helper fixed? The other thing that would be really excellent for Friday would be a working Virtual Box install. If we got one working we could burn it onto a couple of sticks and just pass it around to the Mac users. The final thing on my wish list is a way to show off eBooks. Great work and thanks to all who have worked so hard. We have made tremendous progress! Cheers, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] design meeting
Hi Tomeu--I think it's important that you are there, since I wanted to talk about our upcoming observations. Should we reschedule for the following weekend, or is tomorrow afternoon a possibility? Christian On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 16:03, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there I'd like to propose a design meeting this Sunday to discuss a test protocol that we can use to help evaluate the Home view. Please join us at 11am EST (3pm UTC) on Sunday at #sugar-meeting. I won't be able to attend, but will follow up afterwards. Regards, Tomeu Cheers, Christian -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] design meeting
I'd like to attend, but I won't be available until at least 7pm tomorrow. I'm available on this or the following weekend. Eben On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tomeu--I think it's important that you are there, since I wanted to talk about our upcoming observations. Should we reschedule for the following weekend, or is tomorrow afternoon a possibility? Christian On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 16:03, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there I'd like to propose a design meeting this Sunday to discuss a test protocol that we can use to help evaluate the Home view. Please join us at 11am EST (3pm UTC) on Sunday at #sugar-meeting. I won't be able to attend, but will follow up afterwards. Regards, Tomeu Cheers, Christian -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] design meeting
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 16:59, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tomeu--I think it's important that you are there, since I wanted to talk about our upcoming observations. Should we reschedule for the following weekend, or is tomorrow afternoon a possibility? Tomorrow afternoon doesn't work neither :/ I'm available next week from monday afternoon (UTC) and I expect I will be able to attend on next weekend as well. Regards, Tomeu Christian On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 16:03, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there I'd like to propose a design meeting this Sunday to discuss a test protocol that we can use to help evaluate the Home view. Please join us at 11am EST (3pm UTC) on Sunday at #sugar-meeting. I won't be able to attend, but will follow up afterwards. Regards, Tomeu Cheers, Christian -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] May MiniCamp
2009/4/9 David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org: I would like to recommend the we plan on holding the May MiniCamp in Paris around the weekend of May 16. +1 Can we book our tickets now? ;) Tomeu The primary benefit of Paris is co-locating with a scheduled OLPC France event being held that weekend. The opportunity to meet with OLPC France presents some great opportunities to work together; Going to meet the community in their homes, identifying lead users, receiving vital feedback. By going to work with OLPC France, we can communicate that while Sugar Labs is an upstream part, it is not the central part of the 'iaep' project. The most important part is where the student and teacher come together to learn. Sugar Labs is focused on creating a great learning platform to benefit the entire ecosystem. In this role, Sugar Labs serves as a hub for communication and collaboration. Secondly, Sugar Labs needs to identify and engage _lead_users_. Sugar in not yet ready to be sold in retail stores nor is it ready for _easy_ deployment around the world. There is still a lot of work in making sure the software works on your hardware, setting up a collaboration server, and creating the learning content to match daily lesson plans. Lead users are people with passion or a particular expertise who have the motivation and ability to help improve the Sugar experience... for everyone. Finally, working for the weekend with OLPC France allow us both to observe and receive feedback. Sugar Labs can learn more about what OLPC France is doing and what their needs are. OLPC France can learn that Sugar Labs is _just_ a group of volunteers with a working knowledge of computer science, education theory, and a bit of economics trying to help kids learn more effectively. Sugar Labs success is based on the premise of creating and fostering a ecosystem to build on top of the learning platform. There may be limited travel stipends available to people willing to hold workshops. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] May MiniCamp
+1 in particular because the May 16th event will provide an excellent opportunity for press coverage! where we can show Sugar running on its original native platform... and a bunch of other ones besides :-) Sean On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: 2009/4/9 David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org: I would like to recommend the we plan on holding the May MiniCamp in Paris around the weekend of May 16. +1 Can we book our tickets now? ;) Tomeu The primary benefit of Paris is co-locating with a scheduled OLPC France event being held that weekend. The opportunity to meet with OLPC France presents some great opportunities to work together; Going to meet the community in their homes, identifying lead users, receiving vital feedback. By going to work with OLPC France, we can communicate that while Sugar Labs is an upstream part, it is not the central part of the 'iaep' project. The most important part is where the student and teacher come together to learn. Sugar Labs is focused on creating a great learning platform to benefit the entire ecosystem. In this role, Sugar Labs serves as a hub for communication and collaboration. Secondly, Sugar Labs needs to identify and engage _lead_users_. Sugar in not yet ready to be sold in retail stores nor is it ready for _easy_ deployment around the world. There is still a lot of work in making sure the software works on your hardware, setting up a collaboration server, and creating the learning content to match daily lesson plans. Lead users are people with passion or a particular expertise who have the motivation and ability to help improve the Sugar experience... for everyone. Finally, working for the weekend with OLPC France allow us both to observe and receive feedback. Sugar Labs can learn more about what OLPC France is doing and what their needs are. OLPC France can learn that Sugar Labs is _just_ a group of volunteers with a working knowledge of computer science, education theory, and a bit of economics trying to help kids learn more effectively. Sugar Labs success is based on the premise of creating and fostering a ecosystem to build on top of the learning platform. There may be limited travel stipends available to people willing to hold workshops. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Benefits of collaboration
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