Re: [IAEP] Anyone gotten a 4GB or greater USB stick to work for Sugar on a Stick?
Hi Caroline, Yesterday I used a Sony MicroVault 4G USB stick (FAT-32) and with the Fedora Live USB Creator (Windows) to create SoaS-beta. I have so far only tested on Classmate (gen 2) machine and works great! I will test on other machines tomorrow and during the week I hope. Main noticeable bug I found with SoaS on Classmate was that sending an invite to XO user (say for chat activity) didn't go through but it works the other way around sending invite from XO to Classmate (SoaS), and the chat session goes ahead yay! Cheers, Mitch On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote: Did you make it on a Windows or Linux machine? We are getting a lot of variability in terms of having USBs work and I'm trying to tease out what all the different failure mechanisms are. If anyone wants to experiment I'd like to know if you can get a 4GB or greater stick, created using the Windows GUI, to work. Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] State of Soas?
I would like to echo every single question that Christoph brought up. I'm interested in starting sugar labs in my city but was wondering if anyone has a guesstimate (even if pulled out of their tush) of how long before the issues below are worked out - or if they are even planning on working out the issues. Any help would be wonderful, Kathy -Original Message- From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Christoph Derndorfer Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:47 AM To: iaep Subject: [IAEP] State of Soas? Dear all, even though I've tried to keep a close eye on the breathtaking development of SoaS over the past few weeks there are still some basic questions I'm wondering about, all related to how well SoaS runs on the various netbooks. * Have the resolution issues, which used to be a major issue w/ running Sugar on a non-XO, been solved? * What about font sizes? * Do all the activities (incl. collaboration) work reliably on SoaS these days? * Does SoaS allow for power-management to kick in on netbooks? * What exactly are the networking and audio issues that Walter described in yesterday's Sugar-Digest? What I'm basically trying to find out is whether *today* running SoaS on a netbook is a *real* alternative to XOs with build 767 when it comes to classroom settings? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Anyone gotten a 4GB or greater USB stick to work forSugar on a Stick?
Mitch, I was able to get chat and shared a write document on 2 non-XO machines using the beta dated 4/14. It was a little tricky as it took a couple reboots for both computers to show up in the neighborhood. Once that happens, chat, write, etc should work. (at least in my experience) -Kathy _ From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Mitchell Seaton Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:45 AM To: Caroline Meeks Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Anyone gotten a 4GB or greater USB stick to work forSugar on a Stick? Hi Caroline, Yesterday I used a Sony MicroVault 4G USB stick (FAT-32) and with the Fedora Live USB Creator (Windows) to create SoaS-beta. I have so far only tested on Classmate (gen 2) machine and works great! I will test on other machines tomorrow and during the week I hope. Main noticeable bug I found with SoaS on Classmate was that sending an invite to XO user (say for chat activity) didn't go through but it works the other way around sending invite from XO to Classmate (SoaS), and the chat session goes ahead yay! Cheers, Mitch On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Did you make it on a Windows or Linux machine? We are getting a lot of variability in terms of having USBs work and I'm trying to tease out what all the different failure mechanisms are. If anyone wants to experiment I'd like to know if you can get a 4GB or greater stick, created using the Windows GUI, to work. Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Anyone gotten a 4GB or greater USB stick to work for Sugar on a Stick?
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: trying to tease out what all the different failure mechanisms are One failure mode I know of: Most USB sticks come pre-formatted from factory in a funny FAT-16 LBA partition mode and fs format. If you remove the partition and recreated it, most tools (and users!) will default to FAT-32 for new FAT partitions. And oftentimes BIOSes can't handle booting from FAT-32. I've spotted this on my (earlyish) EEE 701 and I think OFW also has (had?) this limitation. So if you have a non-booting disk, it's worthwhile asking fdisk about the partition mode, and check what the file utility says about the contents of the block device (in the partition). cheers, martin -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] State of Soas?
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Dear all, even though I've tried to keep a close eye on the breathtaking development of SoaS over the past few weeks there are still some basic questions I'm wondering about, all related to how well SoaS runs on the various netbooks. * Have the resolution issues, which used to be a major issue w/ running Sugar on a non-XO, been solved? While not every activity has been modified, most now accommodate variable screen sizes. All of the activities at activities.sugarlabs.org work at variable sizes and resolutions as far as I know. * What about font sizes? This is also fixed in Sucrose 0.84 * Do all the activities (incl. collaboration) work reliably on SoaS these days? Collaboration on SoaS is as robust as collaboration anywhere. (There is a Google Summer of Code project that will be addressing one general issue of collaboration robustness--this will be relevant to SoaS and non-SoaS deployments.) There are some NetworkManager issues that need to be worked out in general regarding Sugar on non-OLPC kernels, but this impacts connectivity, not collaboration. * Does SoaS allow for power-management to kick in on netbooks? Yes, but currently not the special OLPC XO features. * What exactly are the networking and audio issues that Walter described in yesterday's Sugar-Digest? AFAIK, the audio problems are fixed in the new Beta. We have found some issues with connectivity with a small number of machines--this seems to be a Fedora issue, not a Sugar issue, and is being worked on upstream. What I'm basically trying to find out is whether *today* running SoaS on a netbook is a *real* alternative to XOs with build 767 when it comes to classroom settings? For the OLPC XO hardware, we are targeting F12 as the timeframe for the switch. In the meantime, on that hardware, we recommend the 80X series of builds from OLPC. But by all means, please test SoaS on your XO hardware (you'll need a developer key) and give us feedback. On all other hardware, SoaS, while just in Beta, is looking really great!! Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] State of Soas?
Transcribed to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Dear all, even though I've tried to keep a close eye on the breathtaking development of SoaS over the past few weeks there are still some basic questions I'm wondering about, all related to how well SoaS runs on the various netbooks. * Have the resolution issues, which used to be a major issue w/ running Sugar on a non-XO, been solved? While not every activity has been modified, most now accommodate variable screen sizes. All of the activities at activities.sugarlabs.org work at variable sizes and resolutions as far as I know. * What about font sizes? This is also fixed in Sucrose 0.84 * Do all the activities (incl. collaboration) work reliably on SoaS these days? Collaboration on SoaS is as robust as collaboration anywhere. (There is a Google Summer of Code project that will be addressing one general issue of collaboration robustness--this will be relevant to SoaS and non-SoaS deployments.) There are some NetworkManager issues that need to be worked out in general regarding Sugar on non-OLPC kernels, but this impacts connectivity, not collaboration. * Does SoaS allow for power-management to kick in on netbooks? Yes, but currently not the special OLPC XO features. * What exactly are the networking and audio issues that Walter described in yesterday's Sugar-Digest? AFAIK, the audio problems are fixed in the new Beta. We have found some issues with connectivity with a small number of machines--this seems to be a Fedora issue, not a Sugar issue, and is being worked on upstream. What I'm basically trying to find out is whether *today* running SoaS on a netbook is a *real* alternative to XOs with build 767 when it comes to classroom settings? For the OLPC XO hardware, we are targeting F12 as the timeframe for the switch. In the meantime, on that hardware, we recommend the 80X series of builds from OLPC. But by all means, please test SoaS on your XO hardware (you'll need a developer key) and give us feedback. On all other hardware, SoaS, while just in Beta, is looking really great!! Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
This is all sounding great to me. Could someone link the wiki page to the FAQ: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ People are sending me emails with hardware reports. Should I forward them to IAEP? Do we want a support-gang type mailing list? We can hope to put up instructions and get people to enter things themselves, but we should prepare for the reality that just sending an email maybe asking a lot for teachers. Some of them will have never used a wiki before so it could be too hard a first thing to ask of them. Thanks! Caroline On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:51:21PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead into a table. +1 for that as it's possible to do queries then (instead of manually scanning the table). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ5i+1AAoJELpz82VMF3DapeAH/02SEn5h2wDdBzRLQQaVOiBz E+F4VwUdEZX4mKtmtlcZ+EvAlNlpJwdC/ufzB4u3N2dAwvqmIc50fIGhRRtaUhSQ X7033rTwK1x3FGSIONobEb3BFjv86OQx0ZYTcx02MKfSG29fOJONk1ZISgPmmmxu jNcXgqDBVRkPRNfcnH8sCgrYHTzh+PNHk3VtbRhlheQP0vKegeYr86F5n3mnIC5b rU44yW4Npi6uKYH82BSfp7MOZbBksIPhzECbHPZmqc4igDRNdkT/uwU8E/LD1LWg tBW6B0JybwNvdPIoG+OufJ0zvzDWMBmtSea68tcILfM49femlIkkeQYxSrIVy5s= =ItRp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
I think a simple table on the FAQ page is a fine place to start... -walter On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: This is all sounding great to me. Could someone link the wiki page to the FAQ: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ People are sending me emails with hardware reports. Should I forward them to IAEP? Do we want a support-gang type mailing list? We can hope to put up instructions and get people to enter things themselves, but we should prepare for the reality that just sending an email maybe asking a lot for teachers. Some of them will have never used a wiki before so it could be too hard a first thing to ask of them. Thanks! Caroline On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:51:21PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead into a table. +1 for that as it's possible to do queries then (instead of manually scanning the table). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ5i+1AAoJELpz82VMF3DapeAH/02SEn5h2wDdBzRLQQaVOiBz E+F4VwUdEZX4mKtmtlcZ+EvAlNlpJwdC/ufzB4u3N2dAwvqmIc50fIGhRRtaUhSQ X7033rTwK1x3FGSIONobEb3BFjv86OQx0ZYTcx02MKfSG29fOJONk1ZISgPmmmxu jNcXgqDBVRkPRNfcnH8sCgrYHTzh+PNHk3VtbRhlheQP0vKegeYr86F5n3mnIC5b rU44yW4Npi6uKYH82BSfp7MOZbBksIPhzECbHPZmqc4igDRNdkT/uwU8E/LD1LWg tBW6B0JybwNvdPIoG+OufJ0zvzDWMBmtSea68tcILfM49femlIkkeQYxSrIVy5s= =ItRp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
In my opinion, the simpler the feedback, the wider the cross-section of users will be from a technically-adept point of view. By that I mean we will garner feedback (valuable I think) from non computer whizzes. I'm more worried about them. Simplicity of use is I think vital to SoaS success. I fear that many users will encounter difficulties 1) loading a USB stick, 2) setting BIOS to boot from it. As far as I know we don't have a method yet for testing if a newly loaded stick on a computer will be potentially bootable or not on another :-( Sean On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: This is all sounding great to me. Could someone link the wiki page to the FAQ: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ People are sending me emails with hardware reports. Should I forward them to IAEP? Do we want a support-gang type mailing list? We can hope to put up instructions and get people to enter things themselves, but we should prepare for the reality that just sending an email maybe asking a lot for teachers. Some of them will have never used a wiki before so it could be too hard a first thing to ask of them. Thanks! Caroline On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:51:21PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead into a table. +1 for that as it's possible to do queries then (instead of manually scanning the table). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ5i+1AAoJELpz82VMF3DapeAH/02SEn5h2wDdBzRLQQaVOiBz E+F4VwUdEZX4mKtmtlcZ+EvAlNlpJwdC/ufzB4u3N2dAwvqmIc50fIGhRRtaUhSQ X7033rTwK1x3FGSIONobEb3BFjv86OQx0ZYTcx02MKfSG29fOJONk1ZISgPmmmxu jNcXgqDBVRkPRNfcnH8sCgrYHTzh+PNHk3VtbRhlheQP0vKegeYr86F5n3mnIC5b rU44yW4Npi6uKYH82BSfp7MOZbBksIPhzECbHPZmqc4igDRNdkT/uwU8E/LD1LWg tBW6B0JybwNvdPIoG+OufJ0zvzDWMBmtSea68tcILfM49femlIkkeQYxSrIVy5s= =ItRp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 06:08:45PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: As far as I know we don't have a method yet for testing if a newly loaded stick on a computer will be potentially bootable or not on another :-( You've said this a few times, and I just want to point out one reason why we don't have it yet is that it's an intractable problem. It can't be done perfectly. It can't even be feasibly done by a large, dedicated organisation willing to pay lots of money to do this. That's why large organisations solve this problem by limiting the hardware they support, and testing just on that (etc. etc. of course we all know this). Of course we can improve the situation by telling upstream what hardware doesn't work. I think that's what we're trying to do here. Sean Martin pgpGFhPQ3T9xF.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 06:08:45PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: As far as I know we don't have a method yet for testing if a newly loaded stick on a computer will be potentially bootable or not on another :-( You've said this a few times, and I just want to point out one reason why we don't have it yet is that it's an intractable problem. It can't be done perfectly. It can't even be feasibly done by a large, dedicated organisation willing to pay lots of money to do this. That's why large organisations solve this problem by limiting the hardware they support, and testing just on that (etc. etc. of course we all know this). Of course we can improve the situation by telling upstream what hardware doesn't work. I think that's what we're trying to do here. And we can further improve the situation by inviting the community to be part of the vetting process... which is the subject of this thread :) -walter Sean Martin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Recommend boot-helper CD as the first experience with Sugar on a Stick rather then setting the BIOS
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: In my opinion, the simpler the feedback, the wider the cross-section of users will be from a technically-adept point of view. By that I mean we will garner feedback (valuable I think) from non computer whizzes. I'm more worried about them. Simplicity of use is I think vital to SoaS success. I fear that many users will encounter difficulties 1) loading a USB stick, 2) setting BIOS to boot from it. As for #2, I've tried to rearrange the instructions so that a naive user is encouraged to create a boot-helper CD and use that and the USB for the first experience as I think that will have a much better first time success rate. It would be great if people looked over what I've done and improve on it. Sean On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: This is all sounding great to me. Could someone link the wiki page to the FAQ: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ People are sending me emails with hardware reports. Should I forward them to IAEP? Do we want a support-gang type mailing list? We can hope to put up instructions and get people to enter things themselves, but we should prepare for the reality that just sending an email maybe asking a lot for teachers. Some of them will have never used a wiki before so it could be too hard a first thing to ask of them. Thanks! Caroline On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:51:21PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead into a table. +1 for that as it's possible to do queries then (instead of manually scanning the table). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ5i+1AAoJELpz82VMF3DapeAH/02SEn5h2wDdBzRLQQaVOiBz E+F4VwUdEZX4mKtmtlcZ+EvAlNlpJwdC/ufzB4u3N2dAwvqmIc50fIGhRRtaUhSQ X7033rTwK1x3FGSIONobEb3BFjv86OQx0ZYTcx02MKfSG29fOJONk1ZISgPmmmxu jNcXgqDBVRkPRNfcnH8sCgrYHTzh+PNHk3VtbRhlheQP0vKegeYr86F5n3mnIC5b rU44yW4Npi6uKYH82BSfp7MOZbBksIPhzECbHPZmqc4igDRNdkT/uwU8E/LD1LWg tBW6B0JybwNvdPIoG+OufJ0zvzDWMBmtSea68tcILfM49femlIkkeQYxSrIVy5s= =ItRp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 18:08 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: In my opinion, the simpler the feedback, the wider the cross-section of users will be from a technically-adept point of view. By that I mean we will garner feedback (valuable I think) from non computer whizzes. I'm more worried about them. Simplicity of use is I think vital to SoaS success. I fear that many users will encounter difficulties 1) loading a USB stick, 2) setting BIOS to boot from it. We should have/collect: - screen shots - movie's (youtube?) As far as I know we don't have a method yet for testing if a newly loaded stick on a computer will be potentially bootable or not on another :-( I use qemu for that that is pretty reliable qemu /dev/usb-drive cheers, Marten Sean On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: This is all sounding great to me. Could someone link the wiki page to the FAQ: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ People are sending me emails with hardware reports. Should I forward them to IAEP? Do we want a support-gang type mailing list? We can hope to put up instructions and get people to enter things themselves, but we should prepare for the reality that just sending an email maybe asking a lot for teachers. Some of them will have never used a wiki before so it could be too hard a first thing to ask of them. Thanks! Caroline On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:51:21PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead into a table. +1 for that as it's possible to do queries then (instead of manually scanning the table). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ5i+1AAoJELpz82VMF3DapeAH/02SEn5h2wDdBzRLQQaVOiBz E+F4VwUdEZX4mKtmtlcZ+EvAlNlpJwdC/ufzB4u3N2dAwvqmIc50fIGhRRtaUhSQ X7033rTwK1x3FGSIONobEb3BFjv86OQx0ZYTcx02MKfSG29fOJONk1ZISgPmmmxu jNcXgqDBVRkPRNfcnH8sCgrYHTzh+PNHk3VtbRhlheQP0vKegeYr86F5n3mnIC5b rU44yW4Npi6uKYH82BSfp7MOZbBksIPhzECbHPZmqc4igDRNdkT/uwU8E/LD1LWg tBW6B0JybwNvdPIoG+OufJ0zvzDWMBmtSea68tcILfM49femlIkkeQYxSrIVy5s= =ItRp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Recommend boot-helper CD as the first experience with Sugar on a Stick rather then setting the BIOS
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 12:33 -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: In my opinion, the simpler the feedback, the wider the cross-section of users will be from a technically-adept point of view. By that I mean we will garner feedback (valuable I think) from non computer whizzes. I'm more worried about them. Simplicity of use is I think vital to SoaS success. I fear that many users will encounter difficulties 1) loading a USB stick, 2) setting BIOS to boot from it. As for #2, I've tried to rearrange the instructions so that a naive user is encouraged to create a boot-helper CD and use that and the USB for the first experience as I think that will have a much better first time success rate. It would be great if people looked over what I've done and improve on it. We could also leverage the Smart Boot Loader, which we can install on the local machine to put it as an entry in the boot menu. When clicked, it would load up the kernel from the USB key and doesn't require a CD. I'll write up instructions/make the binary in a bit. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Anyone gotten a 4GB or greater USB stick to work for Sugar on a Stick?
Ahh, this maybe where some of the confusing behavior we were seeing comes from. Let me repeat what I think I understand so I can see if I have it right. FAT is the same thing as FAT16 FAT is only an option for USB sticks 2 GB or less. You can only format a USB stick larger then 2 GB as FAT32. Some computers will not boot from a FAT32 formatted stick but some will. Thus if you put SoaS onto a 4 GB USB it will fail on some computers and not others. A partition allows you to have one part of the USB formatted differently then another part. Thus a work around if you want to use a USB stick larger then 2GB would be to create a smaller partition for the boot area and format that as FAT. Let me know what I have right and wrong! Thanks!! Caroline On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: trying to tease out what all the different failure mechanisms are One failure mode I know of: Most USB sticks come pre-formatted from factory in a funny FAT-16 LBA partition mode and fs format. If you remove the partition and recreated it, most tools (and users!) will default to FAT-32 for new FAT partitions. And oftentimes BIOSes can't handle booting from FAT-32. I've spotted this on my (earlyish) EEE 701 and I think OFW also has (had?) this limitation. So if you have a non-booting disk, it's worthwhile asking fdisk about the partition mode, and check what the file utility says about the contents of the block device (in the partition). cheers, martin -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
