Re: [IAEP] Books Books Books

2009-04-28 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Caroline Meeks  wrote:
> Yes!  In theory

"The difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is
no difference, but in practice there is."

> there are thousands of free books.

In actuality, actually. Not just Project Gutenberg, but Wikibooks,
Creative Commons, and others. See, in particular,

http://www.librarianchick.com

for textbooks on any and every subject.

> We need people to be
> able to experience that there are books available for Sugar when they try
> Sugar.
>
> I like the idea of hooking the readers to a library. I don't know how much
> work that is or who is available to do it now.
>
> Does anyone know where we are in terms of books on the activities portal?

We can easily put together a set of bookmarks. What form should books
be in for the School Server?

There are supposed to be a Bible and a Qur'an for the XO. I know where
the texts are for a dozen other religions, if anybody is interested in
providing them.

> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Martin Dengler 
> wrote:
>>
>> James,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply...
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 05:07:15PM -0500, James Simmons wrote:
>> > [I]f you want to download books from Gutenberg to the XO
>> > check out Read Etexts and see what you think.
>>
>> Thanks - will do.  And please know I'm just muttering from the peanut
>> gallery - I'll put my code where my mouth is sometime, hopefully, but
>> I can't now, sorry.  So please feel free to ignore me.
>>
>> The scenario I was imagining was:
>>
>> Teacher: Can I get my class to read Shakespeare in Sugar?
>>
>> Imaginary SL person: Sure, just click on "Read ETexts" and then the
>> "Find Books" tag.  Type "Shakespeare", and go from there [at which
>> point project gutenberg, journal items with a special tag, and other
>> sources are queried filtered by "Shakespeare" to show what books are
>> available for reading].

Students will need more than the bare texts. At least a dictionary of
Elizabethan English, and preferably some of the books that Shakespeare
himself read, such as Aristotle's Poetics, Plutarch's Lives, and
Holinshed's Chronicles.

>> > James Simmons
>>
>> Martin
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[IAEP] Books Books Books

2009-04-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Yes!  In theory there are thousands of free books.  We need people to be
able to experience that there are books available for Sugar when they try
Sugar.

I like the idea of hooking the readers to a library. I don't know how much
work that is or who is available to do it now.

Does anyone know where we are in terms of books on the activities portal?

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Martin Dengler wrote:

> James,
>
> Thanks for your reply...
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 05:07:15PM -0500, James Simmons wrote:
> > [I]f you want to download books from Gutenberg to the XO
> > check out Read Etexts and see what you think.
>
> Thanks - will do.  And please know I'm just muttering from the peanut
> gallery - I'll put my code where my mouth is sometime, hopefully, but
> I can't now, sorry.  So please feel free to ignore me.
>
> The scenario I was imagining was:
>
> Teacher: Can I get my class to read Shakespeare in Sugar?
>
> Imaginary SL person: Sure, just click on "Read ETexts" and then the
> "Find Books" tag.  Type "Shakespeare", and go from there [at which
> point project gutenberg, journal items with a special tag, and other
> sources are queried filtered by "Shakespeare" to show what books are
> available for reading].
>
> > James Simmons
>
> Martin
>
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Re: [IAEP] 70 minute interview with Bryan Berry on XO deployment in Nepal

2009-04-28 Thread Bill Kerr
hard to argue against someone who is doing such great work in Nepal but I
thought Bryan overplayed the local factors  too much:

10) Open Source software critical to high quality education – education has
to be very customised, to the kids, the teacher, the environment and the
country – not something you can design in New York city and will fit another
country
http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2009/04/olpc-nepal-project-overview.html

The counterbalance to that is that The Enlightenment is what made us, what
created modernity, what transformed diverse cultures into our modern culture

I hope it doesn't become unfashionable to say that modernity is a good thing
see
http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/nonUniversals
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 86

2009-04-28 Thread Martin Dengler
James,

Thanks for your reply...

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 05:07:15PM -0500, James Simmons wrote:
> [I]f you want to download books from Gutenberg to the XO  
> check out Read Etexts and see what you think.

Thanks - will do.  And please know I'm just muttering from the peanut
gallery - I'll put my code where my mouth is sometime, hopefully, but
I can't now, sorry.  So please feel free to ignore me.

The scenario I was imagining was:

Teacher: Can I get my class to read Shakespeare in Sugar?

Imaginary SL person: Sure, just click on "Read ETexts" and then the
"Find Books" tag.  Type "Shakespeare", and go from there [at which
point project gutenberg, journal items with a special tag, and other
sources are queried filtered by "Shakespeare" to show what books are
available for reading].

> James Simmons

Martin



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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 86

2009-04-28 Thread James Simmons
Martin,

Read doesn't support plain text files, but a separate Activity I wrote, 
called Read Etexts, does.  You can download one of the Zip formats from 
the Gutenberg site to the Journal with Browse, then Resume it with Read 
Etexts.  Read Etexts also has a text to speech with highlighting feature 
that you might like.

Read can process Djvu files when an Evince plugin for that purpose is 
installed.  This should be a standard part of the Sugar installation in 
the future and I think it's in SoaS now.  Djvu is a format used by the 
Internet Archive that reproduces scanned pages in a highly compressed 
way, giving the ebook the appearance of the original book pages.  It 
seems to work better than PDFs for this purpose.  Between Gutenberg and 
IA you have thousands of books available.

On the Sugar-devel list there was a discussion of Unified Bundles, where 
various kinds of readable media can be bundled up like Activities are 
bundled.  One of the goals of this would be to improve the experience of 
reading texts, slide shows, and the like under Sugar.  Instead of 
needing to know what reading Activity goes with what format, the child 
would just launch the bundle and the appropriate code would display the 
content to him.  Configuration in a file in the bundle would say what 
kind of file it was.  The bundle maker would set that up, and the child 
wouldn't have to deal with it.

If you were going to create an application to get books from all of the 
different possible sources and package them up as bundles that sounds to 
me like a web application on a server, not an Activity.

In any case, if you want to download books from Gutenberg to the XO 
check out Read Etexts and see what you think.

James Simmons

> The portion that I'll paraphrase as "content is king" (or "create the
> content and the hardware orders will come", for a longer version) made
> me re-think the ebook-concept-as-trojan-horse argument that's been
> made before: its big advantage is that it short-circuits the "lack of
> content" problem by definition: it seems popular discourse takes for
> granted that e-book readers are separate to e-books but not that
> educational laptops are separate from educational content.
>
> A killer app might be an "App Store" for books, with the ability to
> access multiple "stores".  Project Gutenberg could be a store, for
> example.  Even just Project Gutenberg support in Read would be cool
> (Apologies if this is already available and I don't know about it -
> please correct me).  Calibre's been talked about but the feature is
> "on the TODO list"[1] (though I didn't see it[2]).
>
> http://www.mobileread.com/ appears to be a place to start reading
> about e-book reader software and platforms, but I don't have any more
> time to do the necessary research to see what the solved problems are
> (and how they're applicable to Sugar), unfortunately.
>
> Martin

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[IAEP] Fwd: OLPC Volunteer Infrastructure Group Meeting: [Today]

2009-04-28 Thread Seth Woodworth
OLPC/SugarLabs is still in the process of transitioning systems out of
OLPC.  For instance I hear the Pootle migration is coming along nicely.  But
there are still services that that need to be moved, and completely new
systems that need to be constructed for us to continue our work.

I wanted to make sure that IAEP was aware of the Volunteer Intrastructure
Group meeting today, where I hope that we can discuss some of this upcoming
work:

-- Forwarded message --
From: Stefan Unterhauser 
Date: Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Subject: [Olpc-sysadmin] OLPC Volunteer Infrastructure Group Meeting:
[Today]
To: olpc-sysad...@laptop.org, de...@lists.laptop.org,
support-g...@laptop.org


The Volunteer Infrastructure Group (/gang) Meeting is today (April
21th) at 4pm (EST)

The Volunteer Infrastructure Group is a team of Volunteer Sysadmins
who help maintain services and systems around OLPC and the
OLPC/SugarLabs community.  The weekly VIG meeting is an excellent
chance to get involved, or to be aware of upcoming projects.

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Volunteer_Infrastructure_Group
http://vig.laptop.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dogi
http://idea.laptop.org/ideatorrent/ideatorrent/vig/
http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.oftc.net&channel=%23olpc-admin&settings=12a698505c860f99a6ad1051c57975f9&noServerTab=false&noServerNotices=true&noServerMotd=true&nick=Guest


Meeting Details:
  Date:   April 28th, 2009
  Time:   16:00 EST
  Location: irc.oftc.net  #olpc-admin


Please feel free to follow up on the olpc-sysadmin mailing list if you
would like to add anything to the agenda.  Right now the agenda will
be set at the start of the meeting.


Thanks everyone,
Stefan Unterhauser
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Re: [IAEP] Experiences with Soas2-200904231400.iso Snapshot

2009-04-28 Thread James Simmons
Sebastian,

I used the PLOP boot diskette, which allows you to boot off a USB drive 
even if the BIOS doesn't support doing that.  This was with the latest 
snapshot.  It never occurred to me to try it with any of the Betas.  I 
would expect that if you booted off the USB drive directly you'd have 
the same result.  I don't have any computers that can do that, 
unfortunately.

James Simmons


Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
> James Simmons wrote:
>> Another comment on SoaS snapshot:
>>
>> When I found myself without a Browse activity in the first stick I had a
>> notion to copy the Smolt text from Terminal to the clipboard, save the
>> text to the Journal, then copy that Journal entry to a second thumb
>> drive which I could then mount on a different computer to update the
>> Wiki with a link to my hardware profile.  I found that SoaS would not
>> recognize that I had inserted a second USB thumb drive and automatically
>> mount it.  It seems to me that this is something it should be able to 
>> do.
>>
>> James Simmons
>
> Er... that's interesting. Normally, SoaS mounted additional USB 
> drives. This was in the latest snapshot, right? Using a boot helper or 
> not?
>
> I guess we should really get a new boot helper soon, to narrow down 
> some issues. We need to find out what's causing which error here.
>
> --Sebastian
>
>> Caroline Meeks wrote:
>>> Hi James,
>>>
>>> Thanks for testing!
>>>
>>> We do have a "Boot Helper" CD iso on the wiki page. I personally think
>>> we shoudl recommend that people start with that then see if they can
>>> change thier BIOS so we have more first time success.
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Re: [IAEP] Experiences with Soas2-200904231400.iso Snapshot

2009-04-28 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
James Simmons wrote:
> Another comment on SoaS snapshot:
>
> When I found myself without a Browse activity in the first stick I had a
> notion to copy the Smolt text from Terminal to the clipboard, save the
> text to the Journal, then copy that Journal entry to a second thumb
> drive which I could then mount on a different computer to update the
> Wiki with a link to my hardware profile.  I found that SoaS would not
> recognize that I had inserted a second USB thumb drive and automatically
> mount it.  It seems to me that this is something it should be able to do.
>
> James Simmons

Er... that's interesting. Normally, SoaS mounted additional USB drives. 
This was in the latest snapshot, right? Using a boot helper or not?

I guess we should really get a new boot helper soon, to narrow down some 
issues. We need to find out what's causing which error here.

--Sebastian

> Caroline Meeks wrote:
>> Hi James,
>>
>> Thanks for testing!
>>
>> We do have a "Boot Helper" CD iso on the wiki page. I personally think
>> we shoudl recommend that people start with that then see if they can
>> change thier BIOS so we have more first time success.
>
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Re: [IAEP] 70 minute interview with Bryan Berry on XO deployment in Nepal

2009-04-28 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Martin Dengler
 wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:37:42PM +0930, Bill Kerr wrote:
>> I've transcribed a large portion of this interview on my blog:
>> http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2009/04/olpc-nepal-project-overview.html
>>
>> might be handy if you don't have 60 minutes to spare
>
> Thanks very much - 5 mins. vs. 60 mins...makes all the difference.
>
> The portion that I'll paraphrase as "content is king" (or "create the
> content and the hardware orders will come", for a longer version) made
> me re-think the ebook-concept-as-trojan-horse argument that's been
> made before: its big advantage is that it short-circuits the "lack of
> content" problem by definition: it seems popular discourse takes for
> granted that e-book readers are separate to e-books but not that
> educational laptops are separate from educational content.
>
> A killer app might be an "App Store" for books, with the ability to
> access multiple "stores".  Project Gutenberg could be a store, for
> example.  Even just Project Gutenberg support in Read would be cool
> (Apologies if this is already available and I don't know about it -
> please correct me).  Calibre's been talked about but the feature is
> "on the TODO list"[1] (though I didn't see it[2]).

I have been Sugarising FBReader for some time: see
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Sayamindu/BookReader for details. There
is also a discussion list that may be of interest to many:
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/bookreader

A nice source of ebooks is http://www.feedbooks.com/

Thanks,
Sayamindu

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Re: [IAEP] 70 minute interview with Bryan Berry on XO deployment in Nepal

2009-04-28 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
Sayamindu has ported fbreader to the XO, but it is Sugar .82 and is not yet
in SOAS or a.sl.o.  It reads epub format among others, which is to be found
on many of the free sites.  I made the following XO style library bundle of
the Newbery medal winning children's books by women authors from the UPenn
site, and it is still experimental in aslo because it needs recommendations,
but recommendations require that you have the reader.

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4077

Yes, it is in English.  I know there is a lot of classic Spanish language
content out there that could be packaged as well, because I gathered it as a
resource for my daughter's AP Spanish Literature class a few years back.

I have a detailed lesson plan and student materials bundle for a wonderful
literacy activity using write and browse that I want to load (teacher tested
-- contributed by my daughter the teacher -- and I could make more) , but we
need a category for lesson plans so someone would know to look for it.

We're so close to being able to start loading content, but seem to get
sidetracked into discussions of better content formats and other "perfect is
the enemy of the good" topics every time.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Martin Dengler wrote:
> > A killer app might be an "App Store" for books, with the ability to
> > access multiple "stores".  Project Gutenberg could be a store, for
> > example.  Even just Project Gutenberg support in Read would be cool
> > (Apologies if this is already available and I don't know about it -
> > please correct me).
>
> Perhaps you would like http://manybooks.net
>
> --Ben
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Re: [IAEP] 70 minute interview with Bryan Berry on XO deployment in Nepal

2009-04-28 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Martin Dengler wrote:
> A killer app might be an "App Store" for books, with the ability to
> access multiple "stores".  Project Gutenberg could be a store, for
> example.  Even just Project Gutenberg support in Read would be cool
> (Apologies if this is already available and I don't know about it -
> please correct me).

Perhaps you would like http://manybooks.net

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Re: [IAEP] 70 minute interview with Bryan Berry on XO deployment in Nepal

2009-04-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:37:42PM +0930, Bill Kerr wrote:
> I've transcribed a large portion of this interview on my blog:
> http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2009/04/olpc-nepal-project-overview.html
> 
> might be handy if you don't have 60 minutes to spare

Thanks very much - 5 mins. vs. 60 mins...makes all the difference.

The portion that I'll paraphrase as "content is king" (or "create the
content and the hardware orders will come", for a longer version) made
me re-think the ebook-concept-as-trojan-horse argument that's been
made before: its big advantage is that it short-circuits the "lack of
content" problem by definition: it seems popular discourse takes for
granted that e-book readers are separate to e-books but not that
educational laptops are separate from educational content.

A killer app might be an "App Store" for books, with the ability to
access multiple "stores".  Project Gutenberg could be a store, for
example.  Even just Project Gutenberg support in Read would be cool
(Apologies if this is already available and I don't know about it -
please correct me).  Calibre's been talked about but the feature is
"on the TODO list"[1] (though I didn't see it[2]).

http://www.mobileread.com/ appears to be a place to start reading
about e-book reader software and platforms, but I don't have any more
time to do the necessary research to see what the solved problems are
(and how they're applicable to Sugar), unfortunately.

Martin

1. http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/ticket/2297#comment:1
2. http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/roadmap


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[IAEP] SoaS on CNet download

2009-04-28 Thread Sean DALY
http://download.cnet.com/Sugar-on-a-Stick/3000-18513_4-10913733.html
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Re: [IAEP] Experiences with Soas2-200904231400.iso Snapshot

2009-04-28 Thread James Simmons
Another comment on SoaS snapshot:

When I found myself without a Browse activity in the first stick I had a 
notion to copy the Smolt text from Terminal to the clipboard, save the 
text to the Journal, then copy that Journal entry to a second thumb 
drive which I could then mount on a different computer to update the 
Wiki with a link to my hardware profile.  I found that SoaS would not 
recognize that I had inserted a second USB thumb drive and automatically 
mount it.  It seems to me that this is something it should be able to do.

James Simmons


Caroline Meeks wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> Thanks for testing!
>
> We do have a "Boot Helper" CD iso on the wiki page. I personally think 
> we shoudl recommend that people start with that then see if they can 
> change thier BIOS so we have more first time success.

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Re: [IAEP] Experiences with Soas2-200904231400.iso Snapshot

2009-04-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi James,

Thanks for testing!

We do have a "Boot Helper" CD iso on the wiki page. I personally think we
shoudl recommend that people start with that then see if they can change
thier BIOS so we have more first time success.



On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:46 PM, James Simmons wrote:

> I tried using the latest snapshot with Smolt and have posted two
> hardware profiles on the hardware page.  Both are older computers that
> cannot boot off a USB stick directly.  I had first tried using the
> latest boot CD and while this seemed to boot OK I had no network
> access.  I am assuming that this is because the OS on the CD is
> different than the one on the stick.
>
> I was able to resolve this using a boot diskette.  I can't find the
> reference on the Wiki to this product, but it's a free as in beer
> diskette that lets you choose what device to boot from even if the BIOS


> doesn't support it.  The problem with this diskette is that it will not
> recognize USB ports that are not connected to the mother board
> directly.  So I can boot using the USB 1.1 ports on the front of my
> computers but not the 2.0 ports on PCI cards in the back of the
> computers.  This was very slow but it did give me network access.
>
> One thing I didn't realize was that Smolt requires you to have a stick
> for each hardware profile you create.  Once I figured this out I bought
> more sticks and redid my profiles in the Wiki.
>
> The first stick let me create a hardware profile and send it to the
> server, but Browse would not come up.  I worked around this by saving
> the Terminal buffer to the Journal using the clipboard, then reverting
> the OS to the Beta while not overwriting home.  I used the Beta to
> create the Wiki table entry.  Before reverting I tested the snapshot and
> verified that networking and sound worked.  I did not test Read Etexts
> because without Browse working I was unable to download it.
>
> The second stick went better.  Everything worked, and I was able to
> download Read Etexts and View Slides and try them out.  Read Etexts has
> a text to speech function that I wanted to test, and as in previous
> weeks the text highlighting lagged way behind the spoken words.  This
> doesn't happen on every computer, but it does happen on both of mine.
> An HP Vectra at work does not have this problem.  I want to add the
> profile for this machine to the Wiki but we use a special configuration
> script to set up a proxy server at work.  I can do this for Mozilla on
> Linux but I don't know how to make this work with Browse, etc. in
> Sugar.  If anyone has ideas I'd like to hear them.
>
> There is a fair amount of interest in TTS with highlighting even though
> Read Etexts is the only Activity that supports it, and it might be
> worthwhile to find out what the machines it works on have in common so
> we can make the gstreamer espeak plugin work reliably everywhere.
>
> In addition to Browse not being able to launch on the first stick I
> tried I had problems launching View Slides on the second stick.  The
> week before I couldn't launch Tam Tam Mini or Hablar Con Sara on the
> Beta.  These applications all work fine in my Fedora 10 Sugar test
> environment.  It seems to be a general flakiness with unpacking
> Activities.  I use 4 GB SanDisk Cruzer Micro sticks, a popular brand
> sold at Costco.
>
> James Simmons
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[IAEP] karma and mozilla education

2009-04-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi,

was wondering if any of the people behind the Karma project have been
already in contact with the Mozilla Education team:

http://commonspace.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/why-mozilla-education/

May there be some synergy?

Regards,

Tomeu
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Re: [IAEP] 70 minute interview with Bryan Berry on XO deployment in Nepal

2009-04-28 Thread Bill Kerr
I've transcribed a large portion of this interview on my blog:
http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2009/04/olpc-nepal-project-overview.html

might be handy if you don't have 60 minutes to spare


On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:49 AM, Bill Kerr  wrote:

> excellent interview, well worth listening to
>
> this gave me a clearer impression of the challenges facing an xo deployment
> than anything else I have seen, read or heard - although much of it is nepal
> specific I suspect that much of it would also apply to other developing
> countries too
>
> excellent questions from Randall covering a wide range of topics and Bryan
> was more than happy to provide comprehensive responses - with an infectious
> enthusiasm
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Costello, Rob R <
> costello.ro...@edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
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>>  don't know if this has been flagged but just ran across this :
>>
>> 70 minute interview with Bryan Berry on XO deployment in Nepal
>>
>> http://twit.tv/floss66
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>> Rob
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