Re: [IAEP] Contents of IAEP Digest, Vol 28, Issue 24
On 19 July 2010 00:26, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: Though there are a few truly important differences between books and laptops, it would be really worth while to get *your* answers to your questions with regard to having any and all books that one could desire in the same educational situations in NZ. I am not entirely sure I understand. In NZ we have computers in every school, just not many computers. Unfortunately we don't take the approach that olpc recommends. We don't have: * child ownership (and the empowerment that goes with that, I don't feel the benefits of learning outside and school and within community are as widely recognised as it should be) * low ages (computers are used a little bit at all ages in most schools, but learn by play is mostly for preschool here, then it gets more and more serious and unplay like as school years go on for some sad reason) * saturation (1 or 2 computers per class) * connection (schools have internet mostly, but that does not translate to connection between kids creating, constructing knowledge together) * free and open source (an area being worked on by a few fierce voices, and growing awareness is occuring in schools but there are politics to overcome as much as understanding to build) I think new teachers entering our schools know about the theory of constructionism and social constructivism, but I don't know how many can translate that theory into practice, or how well our education system allows for this. I think we can do more thinking about thinking about ways to think (thanks for the essays Marvin), utilising networks more and providing appropriate mentors. There is a high school in NZ that is leading changes to our education sector. Albany Senior High School - http://ashs.school.nz/ and http://theopensourceschool.blogspot.com/ are good places to see a completely open source school by design. Open source matches their teaching philosophy. They run a unique timetable with 100 minute blocks, impact projects on Wednesdays which are students working on their own developments, tutorials and community development time. The school has shared learning spaces not classrooms. There are some other schools that use open source software but this one is the most public presently. I think the view of technology and its application for learning need to change in NZ. Tabitha ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Contents of IAEP Digest, Vol 28, Issue 24
I meant that it would be useful to hear your answers to your questions if you only had all the books you could ever want in plentiful enough quantities instead of any computers. Cheers, Alan From: Tabitha Roder tabi...@tabitha.net.nz To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 5:11:45 AM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Contents of IAEP Digest, Vol 28, Issue 24 On 19 July 2010 00:26, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: Though there are a few truly important differences between books and laptops, it would be really worth while to get *your* answers to your questions with regard to having any and all books that one could desire in the same educational situations in NZ. I am not entirely sure I understand. In NZ we have computers in every school, just not many computers. Unfortunately we don't take the approach that olpc recommends. We don't have: * child ownership (and the empowerment that goes with that, I don't feel the benefits of learning outside and school and within community are as widely recognised as it should be) * low ages (computers are used a little bit at all ages in most schools, but learn by play is mostly for preschool here, then it gets more and more serious and unplay like as school years go on for some sad reason) * saturation (1 or 2 computers per class) * connection (schools have internet mostly, but that does not translate to connection between kids creating, constructing knowledge together) * free and open source (an area being worked on by a few fierce voices, and growing awareness is occuring in schools but there are politics to overcome as much as understanding to build) I think new teachers entering our schools know about the theory of constructionism and social constructivism, but I don't know how many can translate that theory into practice, or how well our education system allows for this. I think we can do more thinking about thinking about ways to think (thanks for the essays Marvin), utilising networks more and providing appropriate mentors. There is a high school in NZ that is leading changes to our education sector. Albany Senior High School - http://ashs.school.nz/ and http://theopensourceschool.blogspot.com/ are good places to see a completely open source school by design. Open source matches their teaching philosophy. They run a unique timetable with 100 minute blocks, impact projects on Wednesdays which are students working on their own developments, tutorials and community development time. The school has shared learning spaces not classrooms. There are some other schools that use open source software but this one is the most public presently. I think the view of technology and its application for learning need to change in NZ. Tabitha ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] devel announce list; publicizing major software firmware updates
We have a devel-announce list that hasn't been much used. We also have many people who are interested in getting news about any major release or security update, but don't have time to read all of the traffic that goes to devel. Reuben, Paul and I were discussing this earlier today; I would be happy to see more people using devel-announce to publicize major updates. As there is some demand for this kind of low-traffic list, if you are interested in that information, please sign up. http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel-announce I also want to remind people of the Latest Releases infobox on the wiki homepage. Please update this information if you publish a new stable release for any platform, or a new firmware release. Wiki admins can edit that information by following the +/- link in the lower right-hand corner. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Latest_Releases SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] devel announce list; publicizing major software firmware updates
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote: We have a devel-announce list that hasn't been much used. We also have many people who are interested in getting news about any major release or security update, but don't have time to read all of the traffic that goes to devel. Reuben, Paul and I were discussing this earlier today; I would be happy to see more people using devel-announce to publicize major updates. As there is some demand for this kind of low-traffic list, if you are interested in that information, please sign up. http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel-announce I also want to remind people of the Latest Releases infobox on the wiki homepage. Please update this information if you publish a new stable release for any platform, or a new firmware release. Wiki admins can edit that information by following the +/- link in the lower right-hand corner. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Latest_Releases SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep IMHO, someone at OLPC should be the one updating the infobox on the OLPC wiki as it implies a degree of support from OLPC that the community cannot presume. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar Community (was Re: [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review)
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 15:04, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Mon, 12-07-2010 a las 22:13 -0400, C. Scott Ananian escribió: In the past, we've been criticized for insufficient transparency. Does anyone still have a problem with this? Open to critique isn't quite the same as responsive to critique. [...] For an end-of-year report, I'd like to see instances enumerated where SugarLabs actually internalized some outside critique and responded in a positive way -- some concrete change made to the UI, or Sugar, or to [...] I think you're mostly correct, but this is endemic to how a community works. One can't expect Sugar Labs to react to criticism like a business would (would it?). [...] The most effective way to influence a community is becoming part of it [...] Sadly, it doesn't seem to work so well for non-technical folks. I can't I would like to see more of an effort to create places for students and teachers, maybe even parents and other family, to collaborate, discuss, share experiences...Few of them would want to join the developers in the technical discussion, but a lot of them would have something to say about how something could be used. For example, there was some discussion of touchscreens in this thread, with virtual keyboards. I want to see virtual music keyboards and other such tactile interfaces. Players of a wide variety of classical, pop, electronic, and folk instruments have a lot to tell us that we can't think up without them. If I could get a pressure sensor hooked up to the sound port, it would be possible to make a touch-screen device into a Midi breath controller. My son and daughter in the video games industry can tell you about multitouch game controls. I have no idea what the children of Peru or Afghanistan might ask of us in hardware or software that we haven't though of, but I bet they will. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://www.earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Community (was Re: [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review)
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:
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If I could get a pressure sensor hooked
up to the sound port, it would be possible to make a touch-screen
device into a Midi breath controller.
The microphone is a sort of sound pressure sensor. Start Measure and
quietly blow on the microphone.
You should notice a large signal.
Best wishes!--Fred
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Re: [IAEP] devel announce list; publicizing major software firmware updates
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote: I also want to remind people of the Latest Releases infobox on the wiki homepage. Please update this information if you publish a new stable release for any platform, or a new firmware release. Wiki admins can edit that information by following the +/- link in the lower right-hand corner. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Latest_Releases IMHO, someone at OLPC should be the one updating the infobox on the OLPC wiki as it implies a degree of support from OLPC that the community cannot presume. When releases are made, the actual release processes I know of involve updates to a mailing list; the wiki simply reflects the latest updates that have been announced. Anyone following that release process can update the appropriate page (or, if they are not a wiki admin, ask an admin to do it). I would love to see a similar brief summary of the latest stable raw sugar and soas releases (stable and dev) as well - preferably on both the olpc-wiki and the sl-wiki. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
