[IAEP] Spanish Anyone? Live Mocha 1/2 price sale today for twitter users
¡Hola! This for those of you who would like to get a start on learning Spanish. I ran across it on Twitter today. I have used the old free Live Mocha Chinese course and it is pretty good (and still free). This new format sounds even better... but no Chinese yet. They do have Spanish though. You can see a sample lesson if you check on the link in the orange box on the upper right. You do have to register to do the trial. http://www.livemocha.com/content/splash_page/active/es-mx/sourceid:usihp They also have a special one day sale (ha!) for Twitter users that gives you half price. They will probably do it again? Maybe? Hope so? Anyway, here is the page that linked from Twitter: http://go.livemocha.com/twitter/ The fun thing is the help you get from other learners. A high school girl in China helped me with Chinese and I have helped people in Latin America with English. Don't have time for that right now though. Guess I'm a slacker! Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. thanks. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there. By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a single image. Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there. By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a single image. Oh most importantly I forgot to mention all the rest looks really good! peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
I suspect that it may be better to just support just running Sugar inside VirtualBox. You are probably more likely to find school users have this open source flavour deployed than the other virtual machine engines. I suspect that there is a good chance that issues related to getting Sugar to work inside this will very probably overlap and resolve those with other products. Late last year, I met some technical contacts with Oracle (Sun) who indicated that they are happy to provide support to enable Sugar to work inside VirtualBox. Could this be worth following up? Regards Roland On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:33 AM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there. By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a single image. Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has. --Margaret Mead ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support perspective). I agree that we should note that the VM solution works on all platforms, not just the Mac. Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there. By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a single image. It seems that Tom has been testing Virtual Box. If other VMs have testers, we can add those to the list. Peter ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing Thanks. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support perspective). 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 beta (if they're not already). I agree that we should note that the VM solution works on all platforms, not just the Mac. Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there. By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a single image. It seems that Tom has been testing Virtual Box. If other VMs have testers, we can add those to the list. I've no doubt but the release team have no idea how they're created. So if he wishes to provide the support that's fine by me. Myself I use KVM personally and have 1000s of VMWare vms at work. I've never used VirtualBox. When the open virtual exchange option works well where you could import a single open virtual image into any VM platform actually works I think it would be great but having dealt with those problems with associated companies its not currently worth the pain and the live iso image on all platforms is still the one that works consistently everywhere. Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support perspective). 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 beta (if they're not already). Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only instructions I can find (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper CD. regards. -walter I agree that we should note that the VM solution works on all platforms, not just the Mac. Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there. By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a single image. It seems that Tom has been testing Virtual Box. If other VMs have testers, we can add those to the list. I've no doubt but the release team have no idea how they're created. So if he wishes to provide the support that's fine by me. Myself I use KVM personally and have 1000s of VMWare vms at work. I've never used VirtualBox. When the open virtual exchange option works well where you could import a single open virtual image into any VM platform actually works I think it would be great but having dealt with those problems with associated companies its not currently worth the pain and the live iso image on all platforms is still the one that works consistently everywhere. Peter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support perspective). 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 beta (if they're not already). Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only instructions I can find (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper CD. Not sure about the wiki but they're here: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads There are two problems with the Mac platform: 1) Linux doesn't support 32 bit platforms from 64 bit EFI systems. This is a kernel issue and is the case on all platforms. Someone I know at one of the major server companies was going to have a look at this for me as all their new servers will be 64 bit and are EFI based and while they will only support 64 bit on them they have customers that will want to run 32 bit. I've followed up but not heard anything back. 2) Graphics support due to some random way the Mac platform deals with its GPU initialisation. This will be fixed for F-14 (and so SoaSv4). The patches might also fix #1 but I don't have Macs to test. # 2 should be in the F-14 beta so testers would be welcome on 64 bit and it would be interesting to see if it also fixes #1 as well. Regards, Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:06 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support perspective). 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 beta (if they're not already). Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only instructions I can find (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper CD. Not sure about the wiki but they're here: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads There are two problems with the Mac platform: 1) Linux doesn't support 32 bit platforms from 64 bit EFI systems. This is a kernel issue and is the case on all platforms. Someone I know at one of the major server companies was going to have a look at this for me as all their new servers will be 64 bit and are EFI based and while they will only support 64 bit on them they have customers that will want to run 32 bit. I've followed up but not heard anything back. 2) Graphics support due to some random way the Mac platform deals with its GPU initialisation. This will be fixed for F-14 (and so SoaSv4). The patches might also fix #1 but I don't have Macs to test. # 2 should be in the F-14 beta so testers would be welcome on 64 bit and it would be interesting to see if it also fixes #1 as well. Regards, Peter Is there a recommended way to create the Live USB on a Mac? Or is it still recommended to create the stick on a GNU/Linux or Windows box? thanks. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:06 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support perspective). 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 beta (if they're not already). Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only instructions I can find (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper CD. Not sure about the wiki but they're here: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads There are two problems with the Mac platform: 1) Linux doesn't support 32 bit platforms from 64 bit EFI systems. This is a kernel issue and is the case on all platforms. Someone I know at one of the major server companies was going to have a look at this for me as all their new servers will be 64 bit and are EFI based and while they will only support 64 bit on them they have customers that will want to run 32 bit. I've followed up but not heard anything back. 2) Graphics support due to some random way the Mac platform deals with its GPU initialisation. This will be fixed for F-14 (and so SoaSv4). The patches might also fix #1 but I don't have Macs to test. # 2 should be in the F-14 beta so testers would be welcome on 64 bit and it would be interesting to see if it also fixes #1 as well. Regards, Peter Is there a recommended way to create the Live USB on a Mac? Or is it still recommended to create the stick on a GNU/Linux or Windows box? TBH I have no idea as I don't have access to one to be able to test. Its certainly a platform that could do with more developer testing but as my nearest Mac that I can test on is a 4 hour round trip its only something I do every now and again when I'm at my mates place and I normally do that using a pre created key. I know that liveusb creator was created with the a background idea of supporting Mac platforms in the future. Its written in QT and with the underlying Mac platform supporting all the Linux style commands out of the box it wouldn't be hard to add Mac support if someone has a project they wish to do or support. Its been discussed but unfortunately people have been busy so its dropped down their priority list. Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:28 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:06 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support perspective). 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 beta (if they're not already). Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only instructions I can find (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper CD. Not sure about the wiki but they're here: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads There are two problems with the Mac platform: 1) Linux doesn't support 32 bit platforms from 64 bit EFI systems. This is a kernel issue and is the case on all platforms. Someone I know at one of the major server companies was going to have a look at this for me as all their new servers will be 64 bit and are EFI based and while they will only support 64 bit on them they have customers that will want to run 32 bit. I've followed up but not heard anything back. 2) Graphics support due to some random way the Mac platform deals with its GPU initialisation. This will be fixed for F-14 (and so SoaSv4). The patches might also fix #1 but I don't have Macs to test. # 2 should be in the F-14 beta so testers would be welcome on 64 bit and it would be interesting to see if it also fixes #1 as well. Regards, Peter Is there a recommended way to create the Live USB on a Mac? Or is it still recommended to create the stick on a GNU/Linux or Windows box? TBH I have no idea as I don't have access to one to be able to test. Its certainly a platform that could do with more developer testing but as my nearest Mac that I can test on is a 4 hour round trip its only something I do every now and again when I'm at my mates place and I normally do that using a pre created key. I know that liveusb creator was created with the a background idea of supporting Mac platforms in the future. Its written in QT and with the underlying Mac platform supporting all the Linux style commands out of the box it wouldn't be hard to add Mac support if someone has a project they wish to do or support. Its been discussed but unfortunately people have been busy so its dropped down their priority list. Peter OK. I'll recommend that people use a different platform for creating their sticks. thanks for all the feedback. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
Hi Peter, On 14 Sep 2010, at 22:06, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support perspective). 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 beta (if they're not already). Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only instructions I can find (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper CD. Not sure about the wiki but they're here: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads There are two problems with the Mac platform: 1) Linux doesn't support 32 bit platforms from 64 bit EFI systems. This is a kernel issue and is the case on all platforms. Someone I know at one of the major server companies was going to have a look at this for me as all their new servers will be 64 bit and are EFI based and while they will only support 64 bit on them they have customers that will want to run 32 bit. I've followed up but not heard anything back. 2) Graphics support due to some random way the Mac platform deals with its GPU initialisation. This will be fixed for F-14 (and so SoaSv4). The patches might also fix #1 but I don't have Macs to test. # 2 should be in the F-14 beta so testers would be welcome on 64 bit and it would be interesting to see if it also fixes #1 as well. Many thanks for pushing on this, and your link above. I'd pretty much given up ever booting a Fedora based spin on my Macs, I almost always end up in a catch 22 case of no working network, and no working gfx driver while trying to debug what's actually broken. I'm away on a pretty low speed Internet connection just now so I'll need to wait a few weeks till I'm back in Edinburgh, but feel free to ping me in the future if you have a Mac images in need of test! Regards, --Gary Regards, Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
