Re: [IAEP] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
Excerpts from Walter Bender's message of Tue Sep 14 18:30:54 +0200 2010: > I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, > which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user > community. My proposed modifications (See > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to > streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. I'm missing the mention of distro packages. For existing Linux users, this is the easiest way to run Sugar. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > Excerpts from Walter Bender's message of Tue Sep 14 18:30:54 +0200 2010: > >> I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, >> which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user >> community. My proposed modifications (See >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to >> streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. > > I'm missing the mention of distro packages. For existing Linux users, > this is the easiest way to run Sugar. I assume (for the moment) that the instructions for individual distros are to be found on the separate pages dedicated to the distros. I refer developers to those pages, but I should also refer GNU/Linux users to those pages. thanks for the heads up. -walter > > Sascha > > -- > http://sascha.silbe.org/ > http://www.infra-silbe.de/ > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
Hi Walter, first of all - thanks for your efforts! On 09/15/2010 03:25 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > Excerpts from Walter Bender's message of Tue Sep 14 18:30:54 +0200 2010: > >> I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, >> which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user >> community. My proposed modifications (See >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to >> streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. > > I'm missing the mention of distro packages. For existing Linux users, > this is the easiest way to run Sugar. I actually thought the same thing. I think this should be more prominent in the page that you can just install the distro packages. At the moment it rather reads like this is only meant for developers. Regards, Simon ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
Thanks to everyone who has given me feedback on the landing page for Get Sugar. I've tried to incorporate your various suggestions. * I'm still working on cleaning up the Install a GNU/Linux package section (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar#Do_you_use_a_GNU.2FLinux_distro.3F). * I tried putting together SoaS instructions for 64-bit Macs (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar#Apple_OSX). If there is someone with experience in this area, I could use some help. Please keep the feedback coming. Regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] FW: [Olpc-uruguay] MiguelEstudia (Versi?n 1)
Caryl, I haven't tried this out yet but I think it's a great idea. Text to speech is underutilized in Activities, in my opinion. It isn't that difficult to add TTS to an Activity, and every kid I've ever shown my XO to has been delighted to hear it speak! James Simmons > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:13:50 -0700 > From: Caryl Bigenho > Subject: [IAEP] FW: [Olpc-uruguay] MiguelEstudia (Versi?n 1) > To: IAEP SugarLabs , Community Support > Volunteers -- who help respond t > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi All.. > The folks at CeibalJAM have created a ".txt" reader for blind children to use > on the XO. The teacher simply puts the text on the student's "pendrive" and > they can use their XO to read the text. They can also use it to listen to > the radio! Follow the link below. There will be a little "Translate" button > on the lower right, (in case your Spanish isn't up to it). > You will also have the opportunity to download it there and try it on an XO. > Have fun! > Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
> > If we support VIrtualBox we > should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going > to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a > single image. > > Peter > > I am a teacher of sorts and have been into loads of education institutes from pre school through to tertiary. Apple is everywhere so we have to solve this problem. I use Virtualbox and have a geek master to turn to for help when I need it. I have not heard of those other virtual machine things and all the teachers I know that have tried a virtual machine have done so with Virtualbox or something called bootcamp (which might not even be a virtual machine, who knows?) and they generally also keep a geek nearby to help them along. My designer type friends who use Macs know what Virtualbox is and will give most things a go on the computer, but also have needed geek help with Sugar installs. Here is what the scenario looks like to me, the teacher: You download Virtualbox (easy) and you download the Sugar image that lets you "try before you buy" (easy). You feel fantastic that you have managed this all by yourself without your geeky friend helping. You play happily for a few hours. Next day you want to show someone else what you have done all by yourself. You then realise you have done something wrong in setting up your Sugar, as it gives you a fresh Sugar and loses all your work and downloaded activities each time you restart. Disappointed, you don't give up, you give it a go with trying to find out what is wrong. Then you get angry and feel a failure. Then you call a geek. Then they mess with your computer, they get on the web and read lots and flick between wiki pages looking muddled. Then they try downloading things and try to fix it. Then they read some more and try to fix some more. Then they get angry. Then there are tears and you say just give me the other computer (this is particularly bad when that one is a Windows machine as that is the sign of complete failure) and everyone forgets the Mac for a few months until someone is brave enough to ask if it works now. Can you tell we have been through this cycle quite a few times here in NZ? I have tried since mid 2008 to work out how Sugar could work on my Mac. It is soul destroying to fail at this repeatedly and a complete put off for teachers who are being brave and trying new approaches with technology. I hand out Sugar on a Stick on USB keys to teachers at loads of events and am often asked if it will work on the school Macs, and I have to say no it won't, and they hand the USB back. Lost opportunities. :-( Tabitha ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On 16 September 2010 09:00, Tabitha Roder wrote: > If we support VIrtualBox we >> should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going >> to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a >> single image. >> >> Peter >> >> > I am a teacher of sorts and have been into loads of education institutes > from pre school through to tertiary. Apple is everywhere so we have to solve > this problem. > Apple designs vertically integrated systems. If schools & teachers decide to adopt this philosophy, they take the risk that they can't use external stuff. I don't know if Sugar Labs have the capacity to remedy this. I think that Sugar Labs should focus on making quality software, and push responsibility for adoption downstream to distributions and companies/orgs that want to promote Sugar's adoption. I'm sorry for my lack of sympathy, but I don't see Sugar running natively on a Mac platform as a priority for Sugar Labs. It's a priority, but we have many priorities and few resources. > I use Virtualbox and have a geek master to turn to for help when I need it. > I have not heard of those other virtual machine things and all the teachers > I know that have tried a virtual machine have done so with Virtualbox or > something called bootcamp (which might not even be a virtual machine, who > knows?) You're right there, Boot Camp[1] is not virtualisation. It is more like an installer to make things easier for people to install a second operating system. It assists people with repartitioning their hard drives and so forth. I think that Boot Camp is a good route to investigate if someone has the energy. Perhaps some intrepid Mac users could adapt current tutorials[3] for Sugar. Tim [1] http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BootCamp [2] http://www.helium.com/items/421906-how-to-install-linux-on-an-intel-mac-with-boot-camp [note: marketing list removed from discussion] ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Text to Speech in other Activities (was Re: FW: [Olpc-uruguay] MiguelEstudia (Version 1))
[adding Sugar devel] On 16 September 2010 07:14, James Simmons wrote: > Caryl, > > I haven't tried this out yet but I think it's a great idea. Text to > speech is underutilized in Activities, in my opinion. It isn't that > difficult to add TTS to an Activity, and every kid I've ever shown my > XO to has been delighted to hear it speak! > > James Simmons > Hi James, I agree - we always have Speak open at demos. Do you have any documentation on how to get the speech engine running in other activities? I wasn't quite sure how to access (engine) & Alice when I spent a few hours a few months ago looking into a language flash cards[1] Tim [1] Such as http://remembersaurus.com/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
Hi... I have been advocating for SoaS to run on both Intel and PowerPC platforms all along. I think Sugar Labs has done pretty well with getting it up and running on the Intel machines and should continue working in that direction. At the same time, there are still a lot of the old PowerPC Macs floating around. They are well built and last a long time. It is pretty hard to convince a principal (or superintendent or school board) that they should buy new hardware if the old stuff is still working... especially in these lean times. There are some folks in SoCal who are playing around with getting Sugar to run on the old Macs. They were inspired when someone was given a set of the old Mac "clamshell" machines. So far they haven't reported back whether they have had any success, but I know they are working on it. Most of these are folks who met Sugar at the Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE) in the last 2 years. I'd like to remind all of you that SCaLE 9X will take place at the Los Angeles Airport Hilton Hotel on Feb 25-27, 2011. It would be great if some of you from Sugar Labs could attend, and even present. There are a lot of open-source advocates in the Southern California area, and this is the time and place to encourage them to volunteer some time with Sugar Labs. Here is a link to the Call For Papers if you would like to do a presentation: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/blog/scale-9x-call-papers There will probably also be a OLPC/SugarLabs booth again. Volunteers to help there would be very welcome! Caryl Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:34:55 +1200 From: paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz To: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page On 16 September 2010 09:00, Tabitha Roder wrote: If we support VIrtualBox we should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a single image. Peter I am a teacher of sorts and have been into loads of education institutes from pre school through to tertiary. Apple is everywhere so we have to solve this problem. Apple designs vertically integrated systems. If schools & teachers decide to adopt this philosophy, they take the risk that they can't use external stuff. I don't know if Sugar Labs have the capacity to remedy this. I think that Sugar Labs should focus on making quality software, and push responsibility for adoption downstream to distributions and companies/orgs that want to promote Sugar's adoption. I'm sorry for my lack of sympathy, but I don't see Sugar running natively on a Mac platform as a priority for Sugar Labs. It's a priority, but we have many priorities and few resources. I use Virtualbox and have a geek master to turn to for help when I need it. I have not heard of those other virtual machine things and all the teachers I know that have tried a virtual machine have done so with Virtualbox or something called bootcamp (which might not even be a virtual machine, who knows?) You're right there, Boot Camp[1] is not virtualisation. It is more like an installer to make things easier for people to install a second operating system. It assists people with repartitioning their hard drives and so forth. I think that Boot Camp is a good route to investigate if someone has the energy. Perhaps some intrepid Mac users could adapt current tutorials[3] for Sugar. Tim [1] http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BootCamp [2] http://www.helium.com/items/421906-how-to-install-linux-on-an-intel-mac-with-boot-camp [note: marketing list removed from discussion] ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 30, Issue 21 Message: 2, Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:00:54 +1200, From: Tabitha Roder virtual box install
IAEP Digest, Vol 30, Issue 21 iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote: Send IAEP mailing list submissions to iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org You can reach the person managing the list at iaep-ow...@lists.sugarlabs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of IAEP digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: FW: [Olpc-uruguay] MiguelEstudia (Versi?n 1) (James Simmons) 2. Re: [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page (Tabitha Roder) 3. Re: [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page (Tim McNamara) 4. Text to Speech in other Activities (was Re: FW: [Olpc-uruguay] MiguelEstudia (Version 1)) (Tim McNamara) 5. Re: [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page (Caryl Bigenho) --snip- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:00:54 +1200 From: Tabitha Roder Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page To: "pbrobin...@gmail.com" Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions , Sugar Labs Marketing , iaep Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If we support VIrtualBox we should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a single image. Peter I am a teacher of sorts and have been into loads of education institutes from pre school through to tertiary. Apple is everywhere so we have to solve this problem. I use Virtualbox and have a geek master to turn to for help when I need it. I have not heard of those other virtual machine things and all the teachers I know that have tried a virtual machine have done so with Virtualbox or something called bootcamp (which might not even be a virtual machine, who knows?) and they generally also keep a geek nearby to help them along. My designer type friends who use Macs know what Virtualbox is and will give most things a go on the computer, but also have needed geek help with Sugar installs. Here is what the scenario looks like to me, the teacher: You download Virtualbox (easy) and you download the Sugar image that lets you "try before you buy" (easy). You feel fantastic that you have managed this all by yourself without your geeky friend helping. You play happily for a few hours. Next day you want to show someone else what you have done all by yourself. You then realise you have done something wrong in setting up your Sugar, as it gives you a fresh Sugar and loses all your work and downloaded activities each time you restart. start virtual box create new appliance select settings and select sugar cd or iso as CD boot order cd, hd start CD boots in Virtualbox: use liveinst (Anaconda) in terminal (root) to install to the default 8 GB HD you created on building the Virtual Machine liveinst (Anaconda screen appears) foreward (choose; time zone;root password, * Use whole disk install when finished reboot. (change boot order to CD (empty), HD reboot fedora starts; firstboot runs User,name password, smolt report sugar comes up on choose color__ sucess You can export a clone after you shut down Disappointed, you don't give up, you give it a go with trying to find out what is wrong. Then you get angry and feel a failure. Then you call a geek. Then they mess with your computer, they get on the web and read lots and flick between wiki pages looking muddled. Then they try downloading things and try to fix it. Then they read some more and try to fix some more. Then they get angry. Then there are tears and you say just give me the other computer (this is particularly bad when that one is a Windows machine as that is the sign of complete failure) and everyone forgets the Mac for a few months until someone is brave enough to ask if it works now. Can you tell we have been through this cycle quite a few times here in NZ? I have tried since mid 2008 to work out how Sugar could work on my Mac. It is soul destroying to fail at this repeatedly and a complete put off for teachers who are being brave and trying new approaches with technology. I hand out Sugar on a Stick on USB keys to teachers at loads of events and am often asked if it will work on the school Macs, and I have to say no it won't, and they hand the USB back. Lost opportunities. :-( Tabitha -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20100916/a727d0d5/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:34:55 +1200 From: Tim McNamara Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page To: SOAS , IAEP Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On 16 September 2010 09:00, Tabitha Roder wrote: If we support VI
