Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay
On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 04:24:53PM -0300, David Farning wrote: From a tech point of view, the big question have been: 4. questions about why touch pad behavior has changed in the latest release with out giving teachers a heads up. I don't know what release they are using, or were using. I don't know if they mean XO-1.5 or XO-1. XO-1.5 touchpad behaviour was changed; tap to click was disabled or enabled. Default varied by release, and the default should be configurable. XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed. Latest OLPC release on XO-1 is 10.1.3, which has no touchpad change compared to 10.1.2, so I presume they were on 8.2.1 or a derivative previously? Two XO-1 changes may be relevant: 1. the enabling of automatic power management from 8.2.1 to 10.1.3, which causes touchpad to be momentarily unresponsive when the laptop is suspended; this is in the release notes [1], so OLPC did include a heads up, 2. the revised kernel driver for XO-1 touchpad [2], which changes the behaviour somewhat; this is not in the release notes. It went in with 10.1.1. Please encourage them to be involved in testing of development builds, so that they can provide feedback early. [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/10.1.3#XO-1_Automatic_power_management_issues [2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Touchpad_driver_changes -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay
-Original Message- From: qu...@us.netrek.org [mailto:qu...@us.netrek.org] On Behalf Of James Cameron Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:47 AM To: David Farning Cc: 'IAEP'; 'Sugar Devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 04:24:53PM -0300, David Farning wrote: From a tech point of view, the big question have been: 4. questions about why touch pad behavior has changed in the latest release with out giving teachers a heads up. I don't know what release they are using, or were using. I don't know if they mean XO-1.5 or XO-1. XO-1.5 touchpad behaviour was changed; tap to click was disabled or enabled. Default varied by release, and the default should be configurable. XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed. Latest OLPC release on XO-1 is 10.1.3, which has no touchpad change compared to 10.1.2, so I presume they were on 8.2.1 or a derivative previously? Two XO-1 changes may be relevant: 1. the enabling of automatic power management from 8.2.1 to 10.1.3, which causes touchpad to be momentarily unresponsive when the laptop is suspended; this is in the release notes [1], so OLPC did include a heads up, 2. the revised kernel driver for XO-1 touchpad [2], which changes the behaviour somewhat; this is not in the release notes. It went in with 10.1.1. Please encourage them to be involved in testing of development builds, so that they can provide feedback early. +1. And we should also consider this is a custom spin for UY. So effective QA will involve: 1. Sugar. 2. OLPC. 3. AC -- if they chose. 4. In country development staff. 5. Users. From what I can see, the idea that the benefits of working together is starting to outweigh the costs for many of the participants and organizations :) david [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/10.1.3#XO- 1_Automatic_power_management_issues [2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Touchpad_driver_changes -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Greetings from Rural Uruguay!
Hi All... Writing this using wifi on a bus in rural Uruguay. We will spend the day visiting a rural school in Durazno Department. Will finally get to meet my online friend, Rosamel! Lots of great experiences. Check out our group blog at: http://bit.ly/moHbEG Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Olidata computers in Uruguay
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 3:55 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.comwrote: -Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel- boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Gary Martin Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 2:13 PM To: Yamandu Ploskonka Cc: IAEP SugarLabs; Sugar-dev Devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Olidata computers in Uruguay On 2 May 2011, at 16:47, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: the Sur list is following this thread in detail, I just wanted to share a FYI for developers. 30,000 Olidata laptops have been purchased by Ceibal at $130 apiece and teachers are being upgraded to those, trading in their XOs. Thanks for raising this issue! I've cc:ed the sugar-devel list as it's the first I've read of this. +1 We had the opportunity to work with one of these machines this morning. It looks like we should start looking into supporting this piece of hardware. After looking at this for the past couple of weeks, I looks like installing the Fedora based SoaS appears to be the path of least resistance. The unit we saw this morning seems to be the most recent stock SoaS + 80% of the dextrose patches + a patch set developed by Uruguay. Yes, we use Soas with F13 and our dextrose.uy rpm's. But we have problems to share activities between this machine and XOs (with F11). So, we are making some tests making a new Olidata image with Soas with F11 (the first test was positive). Both machines (XO's and olidata) have the same dextrose.uy sugar version. We will bring some olidata machines to EduJam. David One of the most noticeable source for incompatibilities seems to be screen definition, 800x600 in the Olidata, and thus several Activities are cropped, Ouch, quite a few Activity toolbars will likely overflow at 800x600 (overflow widgets land in a drop down menu in the far right of the toolbar that shows the text from the tool button hint only). The XO is a 1200x900 screen, about a year or two back there was general consensus that we should try and make sure Activities worked well down too 1024x768 as that was common in emulated environments and regular laptops/desktops. These 800x600 display machines will want to make sure they are running Sugar using an environmental variable of SUGAR_SCALING=72, this will shrink the UI scale down to fit the lower screen resolution. SUGAR_SCALING currently only has an effect at either 72 (works well for 800x600 and 1024x768) or 100 (for 1200x900 or larger). There will likely still be activities drawing their canvas with hard coded expectations of screen size, but hopefully these will be reasonably few in number by now. Please file a ticket if you find any (bugs.sugarlabs.org ), or feel free to email me and I'll try and chase them up. One last additional issue you may find is with the dpi of text. Some activities may seem to display overly large or small text fonts. This issue is quite a black art to solve well, but still worth keeping an eye out for and reporting back to the Activity developer. Regards, --Gary maybe something to be aware of. Etoys appears to have been fixed already. On 05/02/2011 02:15 AM, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote: El pLan Ceibal en Uruguay está entregando a las Aaestras de Primaria las Olidata Jump PC, con disco flash de 8 GB http://www.olidata.cl/index.php/netbook_web/show/id/10 Las olidata se las dan a las MAestras a cambio de sus XO. Me parece una decisión errada, ya que la intención del PLan ceibal es darles a las Maestras una maquina más potente y al día (con respecto a las XO 1 de los niños, de hace dos o tres años), pero eso me parece un gran disparate, no puede ser que la MAestra no pueda hacer pruebas sobre las XO de los Niños. La MAestra tiene que entregar su XO 1.0 al Plan Ceibal (que le fue entregada hace un par de años) y el Plan ceibal se la cambia por una Olidata. El Año pasado fueron compradas 30.000 olidata , según la pagina web institucional del Plan Ceibal. --- Una cosa que no me parece correcta es que la laptop de maestra sea diferente ala XO: tiene más capacidad ara el Diario, eso es bueno(8 Gb contra 1 Gb), pero la pantalla es diferente, el hardware es distinto, y el sugar no funciona en forma identica, por lo tanto cualquier cosa que la Maestra use en su Laptop no podrá ser repetido por los alumnos de la misma forma. NO tiene sentido querer darle una maquina más potente a las MAestras, ya que si por ejemplo la Maestra hace una actividad Etoys en su casa , usando sonidos, animación , etc etc, luego va a la clase y le dice a los niños que lo repitan, pero resulta que lo mismo en las Xo tal vez va mas lento, o no funciona igual, o se ve solo en partes Si se le quiere dar una maquina más potente a las Maestras, deberían dejar que
Re: [IAEP] EduJAM day 2.5 Tour of Uruguay
Hi to everyone! I'm new here... I was invited by friends who are visiting Uruguay right now!... I introduce myself: BA in computer science with a graduate degree in virtual learning, working as a teacher and Coordinator of the 1:1 model in a private school in Uruguay. I am also volunteer member helping CEIBAL and one of the organizers of the tour Conozco Uruguay Tour I'm so glad to read you David!. Hope you have a very nice day! Leticia Romero. 2011/5/2 David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com The afternoon and evening sessions of the tour were a great complement to the morning session. Yes, you heard correctly, afternoon _and_ evening sessions:) Pablo has us hopping. Tomorrow morning starts a 600am. The afternoon session was again at public school 286. Rather than observe and interact with the kids in the class room, the teachers asked us to take a step back and look at the larger picture of how the laptop project affect the school and how the school affects the project. One interesting note was the emphasis they had that the laptops were educational tools. They were part of a larger tool box consisting of textbooks and other activities. While kids usually receive their laptop at 6, when they start school, it is common for kids to begin using and becoming familiar with the laptop and sugar when they are 4 years old. By the time kids enter high school they have had several years of experience. This presents a challenge for teachers as they try to catch up and keep up with the kids :) The primary technical requests were that social-calc works and that there is timeline activity. In terms of education theory, it was interesting to listen to a discussion the evolved from the timeline request. Several teachers commented that the timeline was a very valuable tool because it would give the students a place to consolidate the information they had learned over several week. Maybe it was my poor Spanish. But the conversation seemed to reflect concepts very similar to portfolios and the act of refection the journal affords. The evening session was with Flordeceibo. (http://www.flordeceibo.edu.uy/) We started the evening off with a video providing an overview of project. It is just over 2.5G so I hope that someone with some bandwidth uploads it and links to it in a blog post. Sadly, the university and Flordeceibo are not directly involved in teacher training. Teacher education happens in a parallel system similar to normal schools. The real meat of the session (for software developers) happened after the break during a feedback session. Several of the Flordeceibo members had lists of bugs they have encountered during the last few years. At that point the passion became palpable. Because of the sheer amount of feedback we invited everyone to share 'headlines' of their concerns at this session. Then, follow up Sunday morning at the first day of the hack feast. Over the last couple of months one on the most important lessons we have learn while working with ParaguayEduca is the importance of one on one and face to face sessions between developers and educators. The normal tools that open source developers use for feedback are too 'unfamiliar' to most teachers. Instead the feedback, at least initially, requires a personal relationship which builds trust and helps the developer and educator learn how to effectively communicate. As a result, we invited everyone to join the sugar camp on Sunday morning. I would like to encourage all developers to spend time talking one on one with the Flordeceibo members to turn their feedback into a format which is can be submitted as bug reports. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay
/James Cameron wrote: XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed. / On the Xo 1.0 of Plan ceibal, With the new versions of Sugar (0.88) http://200.40.200.100/Portal.Base/Web/VerContenido.aspx?GUID=39ff79c8-1368-4c2e-8e70-167b3373b933ID=203132 they disabled the tap-to-click on the touchpad. The Tap-to click worked ok with previous image. (uy802c) --- On the XO 1.5 is different because they came from factory without the tap-to-click , so there's no complain about that, it never existed. (I think that there are some drivers problems) But on the XO 1.0 the feature of tap-to-click was working ok, and now it is disabled (with the new image Dextrose, os1bdxuy.img http://200.40.200.100/Portal.Base/Web/VerContenido.aspx?GUID=39ff79c8-1368-4c2e-8e70-167b3373b933ID=203132, ), I don't Know Why. Paolo Benini RAP-CEIBAL Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote: * James Cameron wrote: XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed. * On the Xo 1.0 of Plan ceibal, With the new versions of Sugar (0.88)http://200.40.200.100/Portal.Base/Web/VerContenido.aspx?GUID=39ff79c8-1368-4c2e-8e70-167b3373b933ID=203132they disabled the tap-to-click on the touchpad. The Tap-to click worked ok with previous image. (uy802c) Maybe we disabled it unintentionally. However, I flashed a machine with uy802c and tap-to-click doesn't work. Maybe depend on the version of the XO hardware. Are you sure that was on the 802c image? Thanks. Daniel --- On the XO 1.5 is different because they came from factory without the tap-to-click , so there's no complain about that, it never existed. (I think that there are some drivers problems) But on the XO 1.0 the feature of tap-to-click was working ok, and now it is disabled (with the new image Dextrose, os1bdxuy.imghttp://200.40.200.100/Portal.Base/Web/VerContenido.aspx?GUID=39ff79c8-1368-4c2e-8e70-167b3373b933ID=203132, ), I don't Know Why. Paolo Benini RAP-CEIBAL Montevideo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 2 601 57 73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay
I would not personally know the history, but tap-to-click is intentionally disabled for the Synaptics touchpad in newer (10.1.x?) OLPC software builds for XOs. You should be able to edit /etc/modprobe.d/olpc-psmouse.conf to re-enable it: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10119 However, be aware that there is another brand of touchpad (indistinguishable from the outside of an XO except in software) which may be present on some XO-1.5s, and we currently do not disable tap-to-click on these: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10528 I would not know how often this other brand has been used, or if anyone has them in XOs out in the field. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Daniel Castelo dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uywrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote: * James Cameron wrote: XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed. * On the Xo 1.0 of Plan ceibal, With the new versions of Sugar (0.88)http://200.40.200.100/Portal.Base/Web/VerContenido.aspx?GUID=39ff79c8-1368-4c2e-8e70-167b3373b933ID=203132they disabled the tap-to-click on the touchpad. The Tap-to click worked ok with previous image. (uy802c) Maybe we disabled it unintentionally. However, I flashed a machine with uy802c and tap-to-click doesn't work. Maybe depend on the version of the XO hardware. Are you sure that was on the 802c image? Thanks. Daniel --- On the XO 1.5 is different because they came from factory without the tap-to-click , so there's no complain about that, it never existed. (I think that there are some drivers problems) But on the XO 1.0 the feature of tap-to-click was working ok, and now it is disabled (with the new image Dextrose, os1bdxuy.imghttp://200.40.200.100/Portal.Base/Web/VerContenido.aspx?GUID=39ff79c8-1368-4c2e-8e70-167b3373b933ID=203132, ), I don't Know Why. Paolo Benini RAP-CEIBAL Montevideo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 2 601 57 73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] EduJAM day 3 Tour of Uruguay
The theme for day was using the XO to help kids learn. Because this is not my area of expertise I will defer summarizing the day and take a moment to explain the rational for a technical focused summit for an education project. There are two aspect to the OLPC ecosystem, technological and educational. Technologically we face three general classes of problems: hardware, software, and connectivity. When these three aspects of the project work, teachers and students have an outstanding tool. When one or more of these aspects is not working teachers and students have a suboptimal tool. Once the tool is created and understood, educators can train teachers to take advantage of the tool, create content which builds on the affordances of the tool, and create curriculum which enable teachers to build on their understanding and available content to create lessons which align with the needs of their class, school, and country. The vision for EduJAM Montevideo 2011 is to bring people working on the technical aspects together to learn from each other and understand the needs of educators though a series of presentations and conversations. The goal of this process is: 1. Better understand educators needs. 2. Learn how we as developers and engineers can make a product which is more effective for educators. 3. Learn and communicate with our fellow developers and engineers to learn to work more effectively. Ideally, another organization will sponsor a complementary event which focuses on how educators can leverage the tool to enhance learning. These complementary events can form the nucleus for a dialog which drive the project forward. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
