Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
Hi, everybody. Like Daniel, I'm from Uruguay and I feel identified with the Walter message. I'm fourteen years old, and I started using sugar when I was ten, when I receive my XO was the first time that I used linux and it liked me a lot. About the young programmers: I was a student of Flavio Danesse, and he taught me a lot but for obvious reasons I had to appeal the internet to found more information, where the most are in english, for me it wasn't a problem, because I have learned english. But the most of the children in Latin America hasn't this luck, and they find it difficult to program. About sugar and the teachers: Unfortunately, when I was in primary school, no teacher was concerned with explaining how to use my XO, and the logical sugar activities, such as Turtle Art and Scratch, but luckily their interfaces are very intuitive. And when I started the high school was the same, no teacher was interested in the XO, except Mr. Flavio Danesse :) For this reason the most of my classmates, only use their XO to browse in Facebook and other social networks. Regards, Agustin Zubiaga ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 3:53 PM, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote: 2012/9/23 Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez a...@sugarlabs.org: About the young programmers: I was a student of Flavio Danesse, and he taught me a lot but for obvious reasons I had to appeal the internet to found more information, where the most are in english, for me it wasn't a problem, because I have learned english.. But the most of the children in Latin America hasn't this luck, and they find it difficult to program. I'd say now there's a lot of documentation in Spanish, but I agree with you in the language can be a barrier sometimes, specially for write e-mails and similar things. When Flavio said he doesn't understand why Spanish speakers write source code in English, I replied I don't write code in English, I write in Python, in C (not for Sugar) or in any programming language. It is true that the language one speaks when programming is the computer's language. However, while is not important which language one uses for the UI strings as long as the users understand it, I would like to encourage all Sugar developers to write for an international audience by using gettext and generating English POT files. The argument for porting a stable branch of your UI strings to English and generating a POT from there is the simple and practical argument that English is the common language of our localization community. By all means, one should develop and test with Spanish UI strings if that is easiest, but please consider taking that next step to an internationalized activity (with English POT) when you have something you are proud of having developed and would like to share it with non-Spanish speakers. We are fortunate to have many developers that are trilingual (Spanish, English, Python) that are willing to help with this important step to make activities from Spanish-speaking developers available to children in any of the languages represented by our L10n community. I would love to see more of the Spanish-only activities present in ASLO take this step to i18n so that they can be used by other XO kids around the world in their mother tongues. Warmest Regards, cjl Sugar Labs Translation Team Coordinator ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
2012/9/23 Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com: I would love to see more of the Spanish-only activities present in ASLO take this step to i18n so that they can be used by other XO kids around the world in their mother tongues. A good way would be if the ASLO editors request the authors to internationalize their activities. I know sometimes they do it, and leave a link to an article at wiki.sl.org where explains how to implement i18n. For my part, I can start to contact Spanish developers. Best regards, Daniel. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
Hello Agustin from the US :) --- On Sun, 9/23/12, Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez a...@sugarlabs.org wrote: From: Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez a...@sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18 To: Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org Cc: James Simmons nices...@gmail.com, iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar-dev Devel sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org, community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org Date: Sunday, September 23, 2012, 3:16 PM Hi, everybody. Like Daniel, I'm from Uruguay and I feel identified with the Walter message. I'm fourteen years old, and I started using sugar when I was ten, when I receive my XO was the first time that I used linux and it liked me a lot. About the young programmers: I was a student of Flavio Danesse, and he taught me a lot We need to 'clone' this person, we need more who can do what he is doing! but for obvious reasons I had to appeal the internet to found more information, where the most are in english, for me it wasn't a problem, because I have learned english. Yes, access to the internet, a laptop and free time are VERY important in the global world and provides access to the largest library, but sadly 90% of the text is in English. But now there is more in other languages, and even better, almost anyone of any age can write a web page to add Spanish (or other langauge) text. But the most of the children in Latin America hasn't this luck, and they find it difficult to program. About sugar and the teachers: Unfortunately, when I was in primary school, no teacher was concerned with explaining how to use my XO, and the logical sugar activities, such as Turtle Art and Scratch, but luckily their interfaces are very intuitive. That was the goal of Sugar Labs, to make it easy to use, its great that you agree and they need more kids to help them make it better. And when I started the high school was the same, no teacher was interested in the XO, except Mr. Flavio Danesse :) That is sad, more teaacher need to see what he is doing in High Schools. For this reason the most of my classmates, only use their XO to browse in Facebook and other social networks. That is useful, but its not as educational as learning about python or reading about world news or science or animals or something more about your interests or your future. Unless you are using facebook to talk about science and news and books. Thanks you for your great effort to explain how the XO is helping and how you use it.-KevinRegards, Agustin Zubiaga -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
I've been saying the same things for years, but people take me as a pessimist or worse. The truth hurts.. Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
