Re: [IAEP] Linux/Sugar questions
Hi Steve, 2013/2/4 Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com: I will be installing Sugar on the systems. In checking the Wiki I see Sugar works with Fedora 18 and plan on installing that on the boxes (unless someone suggests something they feel is better). I'm not completely informed about Sugar in Fedora 18, but I think the best will be installing Sugar from the Fedora repositories, which provide Sugar 0.98. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-02-04
Kim Toufectis commented on my post [1] about online services: :Appreciative of the ideals upon which SugarLabs and OLPC formed, it’s deeply troubling to envision a commercial entity like FaceBook integrated into the Control Panel. :For a system in which a proprietary browser (Opera) or plugin (Adobe Flash) are controversial even as optional add-ons, can we really be headed for integrating a private corporation into the heart of the OS?This is very difficult to understand… My response: First, I will dodge the issue. The web-services intervention into the Sugar code base is not specific to any service provider, rather it is designed as a plug-in architecture. It is not too much of an exaggeration to say it is little more than the addition of four lines of code that add new destinations to the “Copy to” button in the Journal menu: + from jarabe.web import online_accounts_manager as oam + for account in oam.OnlineAccountsManager.configured_accounts(): +menu = account.get_share_menu(metadata) +self.append(menu) Raul and I added a new module to Sugar extensions that provides a general framework for managing and accessing online accounts, in a way that is service-provider agnostic, the online accounts manager imported from jarabe.web. We are also working on a patch to the Journal detail view that will display comments made to shared entries. This is a generalization of a mechanism I built for the Sugar Portfolio activity, which displays comments made on Journal entries when your portfolio is shared using the existing Sugar collaboration framework. Regarding the Facebook icon on the control panel shown in the sketch I posted, this is misleading. This is just a place holder. As I mentioned in my blog, we are working on a panel that can be used to manage all of a user’s online accounts, in a manner similar to GOA. (We may just use GOA with a Sugar wrapper, depending upon what dependencies it introduces.) So far, I think it is fair to say we are not “integrating a private corporation into the heart of the OS”. End of dodge. There are several issues raised by our proposal (none of this code has yet been reviewed and accepted): (a) Should Sugar facilitate integration with online services? (b) If so, should we do it in such a way that is service-provider agnostic? (c) Why specifically are we working on a Facebook plugin? In regard to the first question, one could argue that the Sugar collaboration framework is capable of internalizing whatever services a user may want, and hence there is no reason to open the door to external services. Further, one could argue that the Sugar Browse activity provides sufficient access to online services that there is no need to provide any additional interfaces. Personally, I don’t think it is realistic or pragmatic to try to contain our users or to replicate every service that might be of interest within our own framework. We don’t have the resources to do that, but even if we did, such an approach is not, in my opinion, aligned with the goals of the project. I want children to use Sugar as a “free as in freedom” and safe place to learn, however, I don’t want to confine them to that space: they should be launched out of Sugar into the broader world of computing and the web, hopefully shaped by their experiences with Constructionism and with free software. Indeed, one of the most rewarding experiences of the project is to watch children who grew up with Sugar submitting patches to reshape it into a something new and better. Just as we provide a mechanism to inter-operate between Sugar (an environment for exploration) and the GNOME desktop (an environment for productivity), I envision children learning to move fluidly between the garden of internal web services provided by our collaboration model and external services. As far as being agnostic as to which services our framework *can* support, I think that from the technical perspective, this is a requirement. We cannot be in the business of censoring on behalf of our users. We leave decisions as to what to learn up to the local communities in which Sugar is deployed. Where we have a deliberate influence is on how it is learned. We try to strike a much-needed balance between consuming and creating, between critiquing and reflecting, and this is reflected in the affordances we provide: the Journal, view source, sharing, etc. That said, we all make decisions of commission and omission. For example, on the one hand, I filled a ticket with Youtube regarding enabling the uploading of .ogv files. On the other hand, when I post videos, I use Dailymotion, because it supports .ogv. And yet I admit to still watching the occasional Youtube video. And as you alluded to in your question: we shipped Gnash instead of Adobe Flash. Regarding social networking, I blogged this past spring about how the teachers using Sugar in Amazonas Peru hang out on Facebook [2]. Consequently, when we set up a common
[IAEP] Google Code-In 2012 Grand Prize Winners announced
http://google-opensource.blogspot.fr/2013/02/google-code-in-2012-grand-prize-winners.html Our press release has been submitted and will hit the wires tomorrow morning. We will have it up on the press page [1] sometime today in English and Spanish. Sean Sugar Labs Marketing Coordinator 1. http://www.sugarlabs.org/press ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] [SLOBS] meeting reminder
We (the Sugar Labs oversight board) are meeting today at 23UTC (6pm EST, 3pm PST). Please join us at #sugar-meeting on irc.freenode.net (chat.sugarlabs.org). regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Fwd: [gci-announce] Google Code-in 2012 Grand Prize Winners announced
I know most of you have already heard the news... Congratulations to Aguz and Aneesh. But also, thanks to all 52 contestants who completed Sugar Labs tasks. And thanks to their mentors from the community. We are still consolidating patches, but this work will have a major impact on Sugar 1.0. regards. -walter -- Forwarded message -- From: Google Code-in Announce gci-annou...@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM Subject: [gci-announce] Google Code-in 2012 Grand Prize Winners announced To: gci-annou...@googlegroups.com Congratulations to all 334 students who participated in Google Code-in 2012. The work all of you submitted was awesome! We hope you all learned more about open source development and are excited to continue working with these organizations or explore more open source organizations in the years to come. The Google Code-in 2012 Grand Prize Winners are listed below alphabetically by first name: Agustín Zubiaga, Uruguay - Sugar Labs Akshay S Kashyap, India - BRL-CAD Aleksandar Ivanov, Bulgaria - RTEMS Aneesh Dogra, India - Sugar Labs Aviral Dasgupta, India - Sahana Software Foundation Cezar El-Nazli, Romania - BRL-CAD Conor Flynn, Ireland - Apertium Drew Gottlieb, United States - Copyleft Games Group Illya Kovalevskyy, Ukraine - KDE Liezl Puzon, United States - Sahana Software Foundation Mathew Kallada, Canada - RTEMS Matthew Bauer, United States - The NetBSD Project Mingzhe Wang, China - The NetBSD Project Mohammed Nafees, India - KDE Nicolás Satragno, Argentina - The Fedora Project Przemysław Buczkowski, Poland - Haiku Qasim Iqbal, Canada - Apertium Samuel Kim, United States - Copyleft Games Group Vladimir Angelov, Bulgaria - Haiku Ze Yue Wu, Australia - The Fedora Project You can check out our blog post on the Google Open Source blog at: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/02/google-code-in-2012-grand-prize-winners.html Great job everyone! -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [gci-announce] Google Code-in 2012 Grand Prize Winners announced
Thanks Walter, and everyone in this great community, as I said in G+, I am very proud to be a a Sugar Labs Developer. :) thanks again, aguz 2013/2/4 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com I know most of you have already heard the news... Congratulations to Aguz and Aneesh. But also, thanks to all 52 contestants who completed Sugar Labs tasks. And thanks to their mentors from the community. We are still consolidating patches, but this work will have a major impact on Sugar 1.0. regards. -walter -- Forwarded message -- From: Google Code-in Announce gci-annou...@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM Subject: [gci-announce] Google Code-in 2012 Grand Prize Winners announced To: gci-annou...@googlegroups.com Congratulations to all 334 students who participated in Google Code-in 2012. The work all of you submitted was awesome! We hope you all learned more about open source development and are excited to continue working with these organizations or explore more open source organizations in the years to come. The Google Code-in 2012 Grand Prize Winners are listed below alphabetically by first name: Agustín Zubiaga, Uruguay - Sugar Labs Akshay S Kashyap, India - BRL-CAD Aleksandar Ivanov, Bulgaria - RTEMS Aneesh Dogra, India - Sugar Labs Aviral Dasgupta, India - Sahana Software Foundation Cezar El-Nazli, Romania - BRL-CAD Conor Flynn, Ireland - Apertium Drew Gottlieb, United States - Copyleft Games Group Illya Kovalevskyy, Ukraine - KDE Liezl Puzon, United States - Sahana Software Foundation Mathew Kallada, Canada - RTEMS Matthew Bauer, United States - The NetBSD Project Mingzhe Wang, China - The NetBSD Project Mohammed Nafees, India - KDE Nicolás Satragno, Argentina - The Fedora Project Przemysław Buczkowski, Poland - Haiku Qasim Iqbal, Canada - Apertium Samuel Kim, United States - Copyleft Games Group Vladimir Angelov, Bulgaria - Haiku Ze Yue Wu, Australia - The Fedora Project You can check out our blog post on the Google Open Source blog at: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/02/google-code-in-2012-grand-prize-winners.html Great job everyone! -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [gci-announce] Google Code-in 2012 Grand Prize Winners announced
I did not have the pleasure of working with Aguz, but I congratulate Aneesh and thank him again for the chapters he wrote for Make Your Own Sugar Activities! and the work he did updating many of my Activities. He'll have to update his bio in the About The Authors chapter to mention being a winner. James Simmons On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: I know most of you have already heard the news... Congratulations to Aguz and Aneesh. But also, thanks to all 52 contestants who completed Sugar Labs tasks. And thanks to their mentors from the community. We are still consolidating patches, but this work will have a major impact on Sugar 1.0. regards. -walter -- Forwarded message -- From: Google Code-in Announce gci-annou...@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM Subject: [gci-announce] Google Code-in 2012 Grand Prize Winners announced To: gci-annou...@googlegroups.com Congratulations to all 334 students who participated in Google Code-in 2012. The work all of you submitted was awesome! We hope you all learned more about open source development and are excited to continue working with these organizations or explore more open source organizations in the years to come. The Google Code-in 2012 Grand Prize Winners are listed below alphabetically by first name: Agustín Zubiaga, Uruguay - Sugar Labs Akshay S Kashyap, India - BRL-CAD Aleksandar Ivanov, Bulgaria - RTEMS Aneesh Dogra, India - Sugar Labs Aviral Dasgupta, India - Sahana Software Foundation Cezar El-Nazli, Romania - BRL-CAD Conor Flynn, Ireland - Apertium Drew Gottlieb, United States - Copyleft Games Group Illya Kovalevskyy, Ukraine - KDE Liezl Puzon, United States - Sahana Software Foundation Mathew Kallada, Canada - RTEMS Matthew Bauer, United States - The NetBSD Project Mingzhe Wang, China - The NetBSD Project Mohammed Nafees, India - KDE Nicolás Satragno, Argentina - The Fedora Project Przemysław Buczkowski, Poland - Haiku Qasim Iqbal, Canada - Apertium Samuel Kim, United States - Copyleft Games Group Vladimir Angelov, Bulgaria - Haiku Ze Yue Wu, Australia - The Fedora Project You can check out our blog post on the Google Open Source blog at: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/02/google-code-in-2012-grand-prize-winners.html Great job everyone! -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [gci-announce] Google Code-in 2012 Grand Prize Winners announced
On 2/4/13, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I did not have the pleasure of working with Aguz, but I congratulate Aneesh and thank him again for the chapters he wrote for Make Your Own Sugar Activities! and the work he did updating many of my Activities. He'll have to update his bio in the About The Authors chapter to mention being a winner. James Simmons It was a pleasure working with you Sir. The Sugar community especially Walter Bender and James Simmons have taught me so much. I did a lot of tasks for this organization and all because I could get the help I needed and the mentors were always kind. It has been a pleasure working with all of you and I plan to continue development with this project. Thanks a lot for selecting me. - Aneesh ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-02-04
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: Kim Toufectis commented on my post [1] about online services: :Appreciative of the ideals upon which SugarLabs and OLPC formed, it’s deeply troubling to envision a commercial entity like FaceBook integrated into the Control Panel. :For a system in which a proprietary browser (Opera) or plugin (Adobe Flash) are controversial even as optional add-ons, can we really be headed for integrating a private corporation into the heart of the OS?This is very difficult to understand… My response: There are several issues raised by our proposal (none of this code has yet been reviewed and accepted): (a) Should Sugar facilitate integration with online services? +1 go to where the kids are. (b) If so, should we do it in such a way that is service-provider agnostic? +1 (c) Why specifically are we working on a Facebook plugin? There are certainly caveats: First, Facebook is not for children. Really? I know a lot of children on Facebook. Also the new Scratch 2.0 is going to have a Share to: Facebook and Twitter, along with Youtube uploading at some point. And look at the ages of Scratch usershttp://stats.scratch.mit.edu/community/usersbyage.html. That said as a parents of four young ones (or as our kids call us Ma and Pa Luddite) we did our best to keep them off Facebook as long as possible. My intention is to provide a mechanism for teachers, not children. Why not both? Isn't our goal to engage kids? Social networking is where they are. Of course once its there its there for both. Second, Facebook does not provide a place for file (project) sharing, just a place for talking about projects. We will need other services for that (dare I say, Google Drive). File sharing would be wonderful. +2 It would also be nice to be able to embed a running project in a web page (when we get to the point where the projects can run in a web page :) Stephen ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-02-04
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Kim Toufectis commented on my post [1] about online services: :Appreciative of the ideals upon which SugarLabs and OLPC formed, it’s deeply troubling to envision a commercial entity like FaceBook integrated into the Control Panel. :For a system in which a proprietary browser (Opera) or plugin (Adobe Flash) are controversial even as optional add-ons, can we really be headed for integrating a private corporation into the heart of the OS?This is very difficult to understand… My response: There are several issues raised by our proposal (none of this code has yet been reviewed and accepted): (a) Should Sugar facilitate integration with online services? +1 go to where the kids are. (b) If so, should we do it in such a way that is service-provider agnostic? +1 (c) Why specifically are we working on a Facebook plugin? There are certainly caveats: First, Facebook is not for children. Really? I know a lot of children on Facebook. Also the new Scratch 2.0 is going to have a Share to: Facebook and Twitter, along with Youtube uploading at some point. And look at the ages of Scratch users. That said as a parents of four young ones (or as our kids call us Ma and Pa Luddite) we did our best to keep them off Facebook as long as possible. We need to tread lightly here. The FB terms of service require 13+ yrs. Our children are younger than that. Maybe the Scratch team thinks it is OK, but I am uncomfortable with encouraging children to violate the terms of service. That said, I suspect Facebook will address this issue at some point. Or some other web service provider. My intention is to provide a mechanism for teachers, not children. Why not both? Isn't our goal to engage kids? Social networking is where they are. Of course once its there its there for both. Agreed, but see above. Second, Facebook does not provide a place for file (project) sharing, just a place for talking about projects. We will need other services for that (dare I say, Google Drive). File sharing would be wonderful. +2 It would also be nice to be able to embed a running project in a web page (when we get to the point where the projects can run in a web page :) Stephen -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Documentation Team meeting on February 7th
As discussed with the Sugar Labs Oversight Board, this year we are releasing Sugar 1 and would be great to provide the release with up-to-date documentation available. With that goal, we want to recruit a Documentation Team and invite everyone who wants to get involved in the Sugar 1 documentation process to attend a first meeting on Thursday, 7th February at 16:00 UTC at the IRC channel #sugar- meeting (freenode). It'll be also a good place to tell a great idea about other ways to provide children and teachers the documentation. Hope to see you, Daniel Francis. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Documentation Team meeting on February 7th
I will do my best to attend. :) On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: As discussed with the Sugar Labs Oversight Board, this year we are releasing Sugar 1 and would be great to provide the release with up-to-date documentation available. With that goal, we want to recruit a Documentation Team and invite everyone who wants to get involved in the Sugar 1 documentation process to attend a first meeting on Thursday, 7th February at 16:00 UTC at the IRC channel #sugar- meeting (freenode). It'll be also a good place to tell a great idea about other ways to provide children and teachers the documentation. Hope to see you, Daniel Francis. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Documentation Team meeting on February 7th
I will try to attend Tom Gilliard satellit On 02/04/2013 04:28 PM, Daniel Francis wrote: As discussed with the Sugar Labs Oversight Board, this year we are releasing Sugar 1 and would be great to provide the release with up-to-date documentation available. With that goal, we want to recruit a Documentation Team and invite everyone who wants to get involved in the Sugar 1 documentation process to attend a first meeting on Thursday, 7th February at 16:00 UTC at the IRC channel #sugar- meeting (freenode). It'll be also a good place to tell a great idea about other ways to provide children and teachers the documentation. Hope to see you, Daniel Francis. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-02-04
Walter, Thanks didn't know about the age restriction. I can use this on my two youngest for a while to keep them off :) I also posted to Scratch to get their feedback. Stephen On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Kim Toufectis commented on my post [1] about online services: :Appreciative of the ideals upon which SugarLabs and OLPC formed, it’s deeply troubling to envision a commercial entity like FaceBook integrated into the Control Panel. :For a system in which a proprietary browser (Opera) or plugin (Adobe Flash) are controversial even as optional add-ons, can we really be headed for integrating a private corporation into the heart of the OS?This is very difficult to understand… My response: There are several issues raised by our proposal (none of this code has yet been reviewed and accepted): (a) Should Sugar facilitate integration with online services? +1 go to where the kids are. (b) If so, should we do it in such a way that is service-provider agnostic? +1 (c) Why specifically are we working on a Facebook plugin? There are certainly caveats: First, Facebook is not for children. Really? I know a lot of children on Facebook. Also the new Scratch 2.0 is going to have a Share to: Facebook and Twitter, along with Youtube uploading at some point. And look at the ages of Scratch users. That said as a parents of four young ones (or as our kids call us Ma and Pa Luddite) we did our best to keep them off Facebook as long as possible. We need to tread lightly here. The FB terms of service require 13+ yrs. Our children are younger than that. Maybe the Scratch team thinks it is OK, but I am uncomfortable with encouraging children to violate the terms of service. That said, I suspect Facebook will address this issue at some point. Or some other web service provider. My intention is to provide a mechanism for teachers, not children. Why not both? Isn't our goal to engage kids? Social networking is where they are. Of course once its there its there for both. Agreed, but see above. Second, Facebook does not provide a place for file (project) sharing, just a place for talking about projects. We will need other services for that (dare I say, Google Drive). File sharing would be wonderful. +2 It would also be nice to be able to embed a running project in a web page (when we get to the point where the projects can run in a web page :) Stephen -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Documentation Team meeting on February 7th
Daniel I would also try and attend. Can help in non tech areas. It will be 10pm from India. Harriet www,monsoongrey.wordpress.com Harriet Vidyasagar INDIA: 91-99011 66276 USA: 1-301-649-2240 On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: As discussed with the Sugar Labs Oversight Board, this year we are releasing Sugar 1 and would be great to provide the release with up-to-date documentation available. With that goal, we want to recruit a Documentation Team and invite everyone who wants to get involved in the Sugar 1 documentation process to attend a first meeting on Thursday, 7th February at 16:00 UTC at the IRC channel #sugar- meeting (freenode). It'll be also a good place to tell a great idea about other ways to provide children and teachers the documentation. Hope to see you, Daniel Francis. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-02-04
It is 14 in some countries. Tools for Parents Educators https://www.facebook.com/help/441374602560317/ cjl On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: Walter, Thanks didn't know about the age restriction. I can use this on my two youngest for a while to keep them off :) I also posted to Scratch to get their feedback. Stephen On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Kim Toufectis commented on my post [1] about online services: :Appreciative of the ideals upon which SugarLabs and OLPC formed, it’s deeply troubling to envision a commercial entity like FaceBook integrated into the Control Panel. :For a system in which a proprietary browser (Opera) or plugin (Adobe Flash) are controversial even as optional add-ons, can we really be headed for integrating a private corporation into the heart of the OS?This is very difficult to understand… My response: There are several issues raised by our proposal (none of this code has yet been reviewed and accepted): (a) Should Sugar facilitate integration with online services? +1 go to where the kids are. (b) If so, should we do it in such a way that is service-provider agnostic? +1 (c) Why specifically are we working on a Facebook plugin? There are certainly caveats: First, Facebook is not for children. Really? I know a lot of children on Facebook. Also the new Scratch 2.0 is going to have a Share to: Facebook and Twitter, along with Youtube uploading at some point. And look at the ages of Scratch users. That said as a parents of four young ones (or as our kids call us Ma and Pa Luddite) we did our best to keep them off Facebook as long as possible. We need to tread lightly here. The FB terms of service require 13+ yrs. Our children are younger than that. Maybe the Scratch team thinks it is OK, but I am uncomfortable with encouraging children to violate the terms of service. That said, I suspect Facebook will address this issue at some point. Or some other web service provider. My intention is to provide a mechanism for teachers, not children. Why not both? Isn't our goal to engage kids? Social networking is where they are. Of course once its there its there for both. Agreed, but see above. Second, Facebook does not provide a place for file (project) sharing, just a place for talking about projects. We will need other services for that (dare I say, Google Drive). File sharing would be wonderful. +2 It would also be nice to be able to embed a running project in a web page (when we get to the point where the projects can run in a web page :) Stephen -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-02-04
http://walterbender.org/?p=641 says: Our goal is to build an interface between the Sugar Journal and several on-line services. Maybe I don't get a vote in this discussion, because I haven't written Sugar code and am unlikely to do so in the near future. But please accept that I have friendly intentions. I was an advocate of such notions when I first made contact with Sugar Labs through the Marketing Group three years ago now. Details follow below.. On 2/4/13, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: ...on the one hand, I filled a ticket with Youtube regarding enabling the uploading of .ogv files. On the other hand, when I post videos, I use Dailymotion, because it supports .ogv. And yet I admit to still watching the occasional Youtube video. | Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:16:34 -0500 | Subject: Re: Sugar and OLPC | From: Ron Feigenblatt docdtv at gmail.com | To: Sean Daly sdaly at sugarlabs.org | | ...On 1/12/10, you wrote: | ... | we are not using YouTube because they don't support free formats - we | use DailyMotion, who does. The Sugar Labs channel is here: | http://www.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs | | You know, I noticed that when I used Internet Explorer 6 on | Microsoft Windows 98 to access your Web site, your Web [server] | failed to block your usual content and instead post a message | reading something like: | | Please uses a kosher open source | platform to access our content. Thanks! | | It's fine if you use Daily Motion so you can publish using an | open-source codec, but why not ALSO simply transcode and | DUPLICATE all videos on YouTube, as the hosting is free | and the site is INCREDIBLY popular? Don't think of YouTube | as JUST [] a hosting site - think of it as a SEARCH ENGINE: | http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/12/31/technology/internet/31tubeGrfx/articleInline.jpg | ... http://walterbender.org/?p=641 says: Specifically, Raul and I are working on an interface between the Journal and Facebook and Bernie is working on an interface between the Journal and Google Drive... | Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:39:09 -0500 | Subject: Idea: Sugar Live CD uses Cloud-based Journal, courtesy Google Docs? | From: Ron Feigenblatt doc...@gmail.com | To: Sean Daly - Sugar marketing coordinator sd...@sugarlabs.org, JT4sugar jtis4...@hotmail.com | Cc: wal...@sugarlabs.org | | ...I just want to [flesh] out the idea I suggested in the latest | Sugar marketing meeting. | | You guys think about Sugar being used in a school setting. | I think it might be fun to try out at home, too. | | Most homes in the US, among other nations, now have broadband... | | The idea is to mail Sugar Live CDs for kids to try out on any | PC at home attached to the Internet. Besides being cheaper | to provide than flash drives, not a few home users know how | to copy CDs (not always for nice reasons) and blanks are | cheap. Each CD can bear the legend PLEASE COPY ME! | (Aside: Who will ever forget the CD carpet-bombing AOL did?) | | It is easy to generate identifiers unique to a PC, based on | its hardware. Microsoft uses this technique to identify PCs | and reduce piracy, through its activation procedure. | | Unique identifiers can provide the automated credentials | needed to access online storage, which can hold Journals. | (This means one Journal store per PC, unless one mandates | user involvement.) When Sugar boots, it would check if the | online store already existed, and if not, would establish it. | | Among other firms, Google now provides a limited amount of free | online storage; in its case, 1GB for Google Documents users, see: | http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2010/01/upload-and-store-your-files-in-cloud.html | I think signing up for an account could be automated, save for the | need for a human to recognize a CAPTCHA image ONCE. (People | had already created software to exploit Google Gmail for storage.) | | Unlike a thumb drive, a kid could not lose online storage (unless | the PC dies, or is upgraded in a way which changes its credentials.) | And while availability may only be 3 to 5 nines, one much doubts Google | storage is as likely to totally die as is a flash drive. See the remarks at: | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team#Soas_thoughts | ... Oh, I had forgotten to caution that Live CDs would not be NEARLY as popular as thumb drives. You see, you can't reformat a read-only disk to store the free movies some folks download from the Internet or rip from DVDs. (They tell me that all-day suckers are made out of sugar. ;-P ) On 2/4/13, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: We need to tread lightly here. The FB terms of service require 13+ yrs. Our children are younger than that. Maybe the Scratch team thinks it is OK, but I am uncomfortable with encouraging children to violate the terms of service. If a child's parent can open a Facebook account, he can let his child's computer access same without violating the TOS (I think). FWIW, the other season, I read
