[IAEP] "How can we advocate for Free/Libre Software in Education?"

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

At FSF Libre Planet last month, Walker and Devin asked -
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Education-needs-free-software.pdf - the
following question to conclude:

How can we advocate for Free/Libre Software in Education?


As I am delving into OLPC history, I've been interested the last weekend in
Alan Kay's work. This December 2015 presentation by Kay is the most
recently I could find, and it reminded me of this question in the warm-up
part :)

A short section, 9m1s to 10m23s, is a nice little nugget related to the
kinds of answers I think can be effective for answering Walter and Devin's
question. The textbook for such nuggets is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cialdini#Six_key_principles_of_influence

https://youtu.be/N9c7_8Gp7gI?t=9m1s

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Re: [IAEP] Khan Academy?

[Dave Crossland]

On 19 April 2016 at 21:40, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> My point is that they aren't shipping sugar platforms, they are shipping
> android platforms;


Sorry Tony :) I got confused between KAlite and their newer product,
https://learningequality.org/kolibri/

KAlite is simply a web server; as a platform it is thus similar to
http://solarspell.org
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 97, Issue 52

[Tony Anderson]

Khan Academy Lite is a project to enable the Khan Academy capabilities 
to be made available offline from the internet (as on a school server). 
It is
certainly not limited to Android since it is delivered as a website from 
the server. This project is an off-shoot of the Khan Academy which is 
marvelously funded.


Tony

On 04/20/2016 08:26 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:


On 19 April 2016 at 18:50, Tony Anderson > wrote:


It might be good for comparison:
https://learningequality.org/ka-lite/.


VERY GOOD. Their platform - custom Android build - seems similar to 
OLPC Australia's "XO Duo" Android build.


An old Paul Graham tip is to pay attention to the jobs pages :) 
https://learningequality.org/about/jobs/ offers an interesting nugget 
that they only have a few thousand users so far.


They have a nice map too. The only user in NYC is these guys, who seem 
almost as canny as Pearsons: http://apdscorporate.com





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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[James Cameron]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 04:20:49PM +0100, Iain Brown Douglas wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> It seems this conversation has gone a long way from wiki gardening :)
> 
> My feeling is that the wiki does not serve _New_to_Sugar_ users
> well.

+1

> Moreover as there is a lack of reliable first steps information, new
> content cannot be written referring back to such.
> 
> In general, I believe we need more content with screen shots aimed at
> _New_to_Sugar_ users, but they would be better delivered via slide show
> than scrolling pages.
> 
> New to Jekyll, I did not work out how to do a slide show in Jekyll and
> Markdown. Can anyone point to a site that does this successfully?
> 
> So I just ploughed on and generated content using Remark[1].
> 
> An alternative Sphinx-based, slide show effort is used in SoaS
> Loader[2], but the product became over-weight in detail. [...]

Programmers among us have let you down there; you've had to devote
many slides to a very complex install process.

http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org

Now, install for Fedora 23 SoaS is just type "sudo liveinst" in
Terminal activity.

Future, Sugar could have a My Settings control panel which starts
"sudo liveinst" on demand.

That way your SoaS Loader would reduce to "click here, click there,
answer questions".

(Development of this feature would be made faster by respinning SoaS with
updated Sugar packages.  +CC linuxmodder from #sugar.)

> I am submitting, again, my concept of a gallery[3] by way of
> conversation.
> 
> Apropos wiki gardening, are there any views on what else is wrong with
> the wiki?
> 
> One serious problem is that using "Search" button indicates material
> which may be obsolete but unmarked as such.
> [3] http://inkyfingers.github.io/gallery/
> 
> 
> > Once https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs/pull/19 is merged,
> > I'll ask systems@ to create two A records that point the sugarlabs.org
> > domain to 192.30.252.153 and 192.30.252.154, per
> > https://help.github.com/articles/setting-up-an-apex-domain/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Cheers
> > Dave
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 97, Issue 52

[Dave Crossland]

On 19 April 2016 at 18:50, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> It might be good for comparison: https://learningequality.org/ka-lite/.
>

VERY GOOD. Their platform - custom Android build - seems similar to OLPC
Australia's "XO Duo" Android build.

An old Paul Graham tip is to pay attention to the jobs pages :)
https://learningequality.org/about/jobs/ offers an interesting nugget that
they only have a few thousand users so far.

They have a nice map too. The only user in NYC is these guys, who seem
almost as canny as Pearsons: http://apdscorporate.com
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Iain Brown Douglas]

 in On Tue, 2016-04-19 at 18:04 -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> 
> On 19 April 2016 at 17:45, Walter Bender
>  wrote:
> Not such a great experience on my phone.
> 
> Did this not work?
> 
> 
> http://imgur.com/FpMncO1 
> 
> It complains that my phone is not adequate -- that I should use chrome
> or safari or firefox -- and gives me a skeleton presentation.
> 
Same in Iceweasel 38.3.0

Iain
> 
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Iain Brown Douglas]

On Tue, 2016-04-19 at 17:42 -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
> 
> On 19 April 2016 at 17:19, Iain Brown Douglas
>  wrote:
> 
> Other slide shows I have experimented with, tend to leave too
> much white
> space, and/or it is difficult to arrange image and text
> nicely, and/or
> images have to be re-sized at production time, resulting in
> the risk of
> loss of definition.
> 
> 
> Did you try impress.js ? It has relatively simple precise positioning
> of elements, I think. 

No I didn't try it, but it's not markdown, I think. Pages are written in
(as you say) precise html, but look how simple is the source of my
Remark pages.

Thanks for looking up so many examples - it does impress :)
> 
> 
> http://impress.github.io/impress.js (official intro demo)
> 
> 
> 
> http://nice-shots.de/
> 
> 
> http://parhumm.github.io/presentation-learning-to-design/
> 
> 
> 
> http://pkoperek.github.io/bytecode-presentation/
> 
> 
> 
> http://valeka.net/freelancer/ (very nice)
> 
> 
> 
> http://sylvainw.github.io/HTML5-Future/index_en.html (more standard
> slide layouts)
> 
> 
> 
> http://aht.github.io/whatisgit/
> 
> 
> 
> http://luisgc.github.io/technical-debt-presentation/
> 
> 
> 
> http://acm.ut.ac.ir/panjare/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> On 19 April 2016 at 18:04, Walter Bender  wrote:
>
>> It complains that my phone is not adequate -- that I should use chrome or
>> safari or firefox -- and gives me a skeleton presentation.
>>
>
> In fact that's just a feature of the 1st demo.
>
> http://valeka.net/freelancer/ and http://nice-shots.de seem okay on my
> phone
>


nice-shots works in my phone. freelancer does not.

Has anyone checked these sites in the Sugar browser?

-walter



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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 97, Issue 52

[Tony Anderson]

The Khan Academy Lite site seems to be similar in purpose to that of 
SugarLabs.


It might be good for comparison: https://learningequality.org/ka-lite/.

In this context, perhaps, the XO is one of the supported platforms. The 
site could give download and install instructions for major

platforms: Windows, Ubuntu, Fedora, XO.

At the moment, we have an initiative to re-create the site as part of 
GSOC as well as the initiative to weed the wiki but the two tasks should 
be considered together to provide a coherent end product.


Tony

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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 16:20:49 +0100
From: Iain Brown Douglas 
To: Dave Crossland 
Cc: "Sam P." , iaep 
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)
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On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 23:48 -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:


Hi Martin!

On 12 April 2016 at 17:02, Martin Dengler 
wrote:
 
 
 
 On 12 Apr 2016, at 14:45, Dave Crossland 

 wrote:
 
 
 >

 > On 12 April 2016 at 15:38, Martin Dengler
 >  wrote:
 > The point is that because it's a waste of work and
 > nobody wants to do it,
 >
 > Give me the keys and I'll do it.
 
 
 You don't need keys. You need a wiki replacement. You need to

 do the work to create a replacement for wiki.sl.o. Then the
 DNS can be changed.  It's super-easy to say "let's do it" and
 super-hard to actually do it. Put your wiki where your mouth
 is :).


https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs is the replacement.



Hi all,

It seems this conversation has gone a long way from wiki gardening :)

My feeling is that the wiki does not serve _New_to_Sugar_ users well.

Moreover as there is a lack of reliable first steps information, new
content cannot be written referring back to such.

In general, I believe we need more content with screen shots aimed at
_New_to_Sugar_ users, but they would be better delivered via slide show
than scrolling pages.

New to Jekyll, I did not work out how to do a slide show in Jekyll and
Markdown. Can anyone point to a site that does this successfully?

So I just ploughed on and generated content using Remark[1].

An alternative Sphinx-based, slide show effort is used in SoaS
Loader[2], but the product became over-weight in detail.

I am submitting, again, my concept of a gallery[3] by way of
conversation.

Apropos wiki gardening, are there any views on what else is wrong with
the wiki?

One serious problem is that using "Search" button indicates material
which may be obsolete but unmarked as such.

Regards,

Iain

[1] http://remarkjs.com
[2] http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org
[3] http://inkyfingers.github.io/gallery/



Once https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs/pull/19 is merged,
I'll ask systems@ to create two A records that point the sugarlabs.org
domain to 192.30.252.153 and 192.30.252.154, per
https://help.github.com/articles/setting-up-an-apex-domain/




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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Dave Crossland]

On 19 April 2016 at 18:04, Walter Bender  wrote:

> It complains that my phone is not adequate -- that I should use chrome or
> safari or firefox -- and gives me a skeleton presentation.
>

In fact that's just a feature of the 1st demo.

http://valeka.net/freelancer/ and http://nice-shots.de seem okay on my phone
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> On 19 April 2016 at 17:45, Walter Bender  wrote:
>
>> Not such a great experience on my phone.
>>
> Did this not work?
>
> http://imgur.com/FpMncO1
>

It complains that my phone is not adequate -- that I should use chrome or
safari or firefox -- and gives me a skeleton presentation.

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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Dave Crossland]

On 19 April 2016 at 17:45, Walter Bender  wrote:

> Not such a great experience on my phone.
>
Did this not work?

http://imgur.com/FpMncO1
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Walter Bender]

Not such a great experience on my phone.
On Apr 19, 2016 5:43 PM, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:

>
> On 19 April 2016 at 17:19, Iain Brown Douglas 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Other slide shows I have experimented with, tend to leave too much white
>> space, and/or it is difficult to arrange image and text nicely, and/or
>> images have to be re-sized at production time, resulting in the risk of
>> loss of definition.
>
>
> Did you try impress.js ? It has relatively simple precise positioning of
> elements, I think.
>
> http://impress.github.io/impress.js (official intro demo)
>
> http://nice-shots.de/
>
> http://parhumm.github.io/presentation-learning-to-design/
>
> http://pkoperek.github.io/bytecode-presentation/
>
> http://valeka.net/freelancer/ (very nice)
>
> http://sylvainw.github.io/HTML5-Future/index_en.html (more standard slide
> layouts)
>
> http://aht.github.io/whatisgit/
>
> http://luisgc.github.io/technical-debt-presentation/
>
> http://acm.ut.ac.ir/panjare/
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Dave Crossland]

On 19 April 2016 at 17:19, Iain Brown Douglas 
wrote:

>
> Other slide shows I have experimented with, tend to leave too much white
> space, and/or it is difficult to arrange image and text nicely, and/or
> images have to be re-sized at production time, resulting in the risk of
> loss of definition.


Did you try impress.js ? It has relatively simple precise positioning of
elements, I think.

http://impress.github.io/impress.js (official intro demo)

http://nice-shots.de/

http://parhumm.github.io/presentation-learning-to-design/

http://pkoperek.github.io/bytecode-presentation/

http://valeka.net/freelancer/ (very nice)

http://sylvainw.github.io/HTML5-Future/index_en.html (more standard slide
layouts)

http://aht.github.io/whatisgit/

http://luisgc.github.io/technical-debt-presentation/

http://acm.ut.ac.ir/panjare/
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Dave Crossland]

On 19 April 2016 at 17:19, Iain Brown Douglas 
wrote:

> the challenge is to find a "screen shot + text" slide show.
>

Jeykll is a simple static site generator; I think it can integrate well
with remarkjs, looking at view-source:http://remarkjs.com :)
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Iain Brown Douglas]

On Tue, 2016-04-19 at 13:42 -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
> 
> On 19 April 2016 at 11:20, Iain Brown Douglas
>  wrote:
> It seems this conversation has gone a long way from wiki
> gardening :)
> 
> 
> 
> :D
> 
> What I have in mind for the wiki gardening is focused entirely on the
> wiki content; and making a list of wiki pages to be migrated to the
> website

Hi Dave, great.

So that work could be started any time, one suggestion, a wiki category
"Proposed for migration to website".

> (and I have WIP for a PR to make the website wiki-like.) 
> 
> New to Jekyll, I did not work out how to do a slide show in
> Jekyll and Markdown. Can anyone point to a site that does this
> successfully?
> 
> https://github.com/bmcmurray/hekyll
> 
I guess my question was mis-phrased, the challenge is to find a "screen
shot + text" slide show.

Remark does quite a good job of re-sizing images, allowing a predictable
amount of text and avoiding image or text running off screen.

Other slide shows I have experimented with, tend to leave too much white
space, and/or it is difficult to arrange image and text nicely, and/or
images have to be re-sized at production time, resulting in the risk of
loss of definition.

Getting out nice quality Sugar images, nicely placed on screen is quite
important to me.

Regards

Iain

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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Dave Crossland]

On 19 April 2016 at 11:20, Iain Brown Douglas 
wrote:

> It seems this conversation has gone a long way from wiki gardening :)
>

:D

What I have in mind for the wiki gardening is focused entirely on the wiki
content; and making a list of wiki pages to be migrated to the website (and
I have WIP for a PR to make the website wiki-like.)

New to Jekyll, I did not work out how to do a slide show in Jekyll and
Markdown.
> Can anyone point to a site that does this successfully?


https://github.com/bmcmurray/hekyll
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Walter Bender]

Iain,

Great material.

-walter

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Iain Brown Douglas <
i...@browndouglas.plus.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 23:48 -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Martin!
> >
> > On 12 April 2016 at 17:02, Martin Dengler 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12 Apr 2016, at 14:45, Dave Crossland 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On 12 April 2016 at 15:38, Martin Dengler
> > >  wrote:
> > > The point is that because it's a waste of work and
> > > nobody wants to do it,
> > >
> > > Give me the keys and I'll do it.
> >
> >
> > You don't need keys. You need a wiki replacement. You need to
> > do the work to create a replacement for wiki.sl.o. Then the
> > DNS can be changed.  It's super-easy to say "let's do it" and
> > super-hard to actually do it. Put your wiki where your mouth
> > is :).
> >
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs is the replacement.
> >
> >
>
> Hi all,
>
> It seems this conversation has gone a long way from wiki gardening :)
>
> My feeling is that the wiki does not serve _New_to_Sugar_ users well.
>
> Moreover as there is a lack of reliable first steps information, new
> content cannot be written referring back to such.
>
> In general, I believe we need more content with screen shots aimed at
> _New_to_Sugar_ users, but they would be better delivered via slide show
> than scrolling pages.
>
> New to Jekyll, I did not work out how to do a slide show in Jekyll and
> Markdown. Can anyone point to a site that does this successfully?
>
> So I just ploughed on and generated content using Remark[1].
>
> An alternative Sphinx-based, slide show effort is used in SoaS
> Loader[2], but the product became over-weight in detail.
>
> I am submitting, again, my concept of a gallery[3] by way of
> conversation.
>
> Apropos wiki gardening, are there any views on what else is wrong with
> the wiki?
>
> One serious problem is that using "Search" button indicates material
> which may be obsolete but unmarked as such.
>
> Regards,
>
> Iain
>
> [1] http://remarkjs.com
> [2] http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org
> [3] http://inkyfingers.github.io/gallery/
>
>
> > Once https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs/pull/19 is merged,
> > I'll ask systems@ to create two A records that point the sugarlabs.org
> > domain to 192.30.252.153 and 192.30.252.154, per
> > https://help.github.com/articles/setting-up-an-apex-domain/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Dave
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening Weekend (May 14-15, Boston, USA)

[Iain Brown Douglas]

On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 23:48 -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Martin!
> 
> On 12 April 2016 at 17:02, Martin Dengler 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 12 Apr 2016, at 14:45, Dave Crossland 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > On 12 April 2016 at 15:38, Martin Dengler
> >  wrote:
> > The point is that because it's a waste of work and
> > nobody wants to do it,
> > 
> > Give me the keys and I'll do it. 
> 
> 
> You don't need keys. You need a wiki replacement. You need to
> do the work to create a replacement for wiki.sl.o. Then the
> DNS can be changed.  It's super-easy to say "let's do it" and
> super-hard to actually do it. Put your wiki where your mouth
> is :).
> 
> 
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs is the replacement. 
> 
> 

Hi all,

It seems this conversation has gone a long way from wiki gardening :)

My feeling is that the wiki does not serve _New_to_Sugar_ users well.

Moreover as there is a lack of reliable first steps information, new
content cannot be written referring back to such.

In general, I believe we need more content with screen shots aimed at
_New_to_Sugar_ users, but they would be better delivered via slide show
than scrolling pages.

New to Jekyll, I did not work out how to do a slide show in Jekyll and
Markdown. Can anyone point to a site that does this successfully?

So I just ploughed on and generated content using Remark[1].

An alternative Sphinx-based, slide show effort is used in SoaS
Loader[2], but the product became over-weight in detail.

I am submitting, again, my concept of a gallery[3] by way of
conversation.

Apropos wiki gardening, are there any views on what else is wrong with
the wiki?

One serious problem is that using "Search" button indicates material
which may be obsolete but unmarked as such.

Regards,

Iain

[1] http://remarkjs.com
[2] http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org
[3] http://inkyfingers.github.io/gallery/


> Once https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs/pull/19 is merged,
> I'll ask systems@ to create two A records that point the sugarlabs.org
> domain to 192.30.252.153 and 192.30.252.154, per
> https://help.github.com/articles/setting-up-an-apex-domain/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> Dave
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