Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 22:26, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> +1 for a Global Sugar Summit to build our strategic plan.
>
> If we can't make it to MIT in October there is another interesting option
> for November 2016, as in Bolivia will take place the "III Cumbre
> Continental de Comunicación Indígena", a very relevant event for indigenous
> languages that already considers a technical space to talk about free
> software and that takes place every 3 years in a different location each
> time.
>
> http://cumbresdecomunicacionindigena.org/
>
> We might not even need to raise funds, as probably this activity will fit
> within the Trip Advisor grant spirit.
>

Let's do both! Please create a page at
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Summit/2016-11 detailing the event :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Laura Vargas]

2016-06-05 23:48 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender :

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Sean DALY  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>>> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>>
 I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
 need them.

>>> To pay for labour to achieve goals, such as the existing translations
>>> and finance manager roles and perhaps others in the future; to find out
>>> which members are active in 2016; to pay for all travel expenses for all
>>> active members to attend a sugar summit... there are countless things you
>>> can do with general funds.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave - Walter means how we articulate to potential donors, i.e. the
>> compelling story I have mentioned. It's a marketing problem and rushing
>> through a motion is not the solution - we need to be clear what our vision
>> and major goals are, and relate them convincingly to donors.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
> +1. I am in favor of a fund raising effort it is has a clear goal and
> message as to what the funds are for. A fund-raiser to hold a Sugar Summit
> would be a really nice thing, for example. Can we rough out a budget so we
> can set a target for the fund raiser? (An open-ended, non-specific campaign
> smells like Tyranny :P in the spirit of the article you shared with me the
> other day [1]).
>
> I don't know if it is realistic in terms of timing, but doing a Global
> Sugar Summit in conjunction with the Libre Learning Summit [2] being
> organized by Mariah in October at MIT (we already have a venue) would be
> ideal.
>

+1 for a Global Sugar Summit to build our strategic plan.

If we can't make it to MIT in October there is another interesting option
for November 2016, as in Bolivia will take place the "III Cumbre
Continental de Comunicación Indígena", a very relevant event for indigenous
languages that already considers a technical space to talk about free
software and that takes place every 3 years in a different location each
time.

http://cumbresdecomunicacionindigena.org/

We might not even need to raise funds, as probably this activity will fit
within the Trip Advisor grant spirit.


> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> [1] http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm
> [2] www.librelearnlab.org
> 
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 16:30, Sean DALY  wrote:

> I developed the Sugar on a Stick strategy in 2009


Where can I read this?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 16:30, Sean DALY  wrote:

> We need to do a phone call or face-to-face of some type.


I propose Monday at 7pm EST

https://plus.google.com/events/c3qn7hksl71offj7jitkjb81aa4

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440=20160613T23=Sugar%20Labs%202016%20Vision%20Proposal%20Hangout
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Re: [IAEP] Why do you contribute to Sugar?

[Laura Vargas]

I contribute to Sugar because there are thousands of children around me who
use Sugar every day and they deserve appropriate and relevant software that
helps them reshape their reality to a more just, verdant and collaborative
world.

We are just not there yet.

I believe Sugar Labs provides basic infrastructure for developers but lacks
a vision to articulate field needs and potentialities with talented people
in a sustainable manner.


Thanks to Sean and Dave! Great exercise!!

2016-06-06 7:28 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender :

>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>>
>> In thread "A Better Idea..." on 5 June 2016 at 16:41, Sean DALY <
>> sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps trying to thrash out texts is not the best approach - maybe we
>>> should start with why we the volunteers are convinced about Sugar, and
>>> think about distilling our Vision from that.
>>>
>>
>> I like this suggestion!
>>
>> I request that everyone subscribed to this list reply to this thread with
>> a short message about why they are convinced about Sugar.
>>
>> I'll go first :)
>>
>> I am convinced about Sugar because I believe learning through
>> self-discovery is a powerful way for young people to become good people,
>> good citizens, and to find some particular talents to develop to the
>> maximum; and I believe Sugar is software that encourages such learning.
>>
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>
> See [1 and 2].
>
> But to gist:
>
> At Sugar Labs we make a collection of Free/Libre Software tools that
> learners use to *explore*, *discover*, *create*, and *reflect*. We
> distribute these tools freely and encourage our users to appropriate them,
> taking ownership and responsibility for their learning.
>
> To me, one important goal at Sugar Labs is to have our user community
> engage in the development process. Towards this end, we have provided
> scaffolding to support our users in their exploration of the tools
> themselves and how the tools are built. This has not been just an
> intellectual exercise. We design for end-user contributions, and we have
> seen learners taking ownership and the responsibility that comes with
> ownership. Sugar users, even when they don’t made contributions to the
> code, are active learners, who are immersed in a culture where they are
> encouraged to create as well as consume.
>
>
> [1]
> http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/docs/Learning-to-Change-the-World-Chapter-4.pdf
> [2]
> http://sites.ed.gov/oese/2016/04/open-discussion-on-the-role-of-education-technologies-in-early-childhood-stem-education/
>
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Re: [IAEP] Why do you contribute to Sugar?

[Walter Bender]

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> In thread "A Better Idea..." on 5 June 2016 at 16:41, Sean DALY <
> sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps trying to thrash out texts is not the best approach - maybe we
>> should start with why we the volunteers are convinced about Sugar, and
>> think about distilling our Vision from that.
>>
>
> I like this suggestion!
>
> I request that everyone subscribed to this list reply to this thread with
> a short message about why they are convinced about Sugar.
>
> I'll go first :)
>
> I am convinced about Sugar because I believe learning through
> self-discovery is a powerful way for young people to become good people,
> good citizens, and to find some particular talents to develop to the
> maximum; and I believe Sugar is software that encourages such learning.
>
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See [1 and 2].

But to gist:

At Sugar Labs we make a collection of Free/Libre Software tools that
learners use to *explore*, *discover*, *create*, and *reflect*. We
distribute these tools freely and encourage our users to appropriate them,
taking ownership and responsibility for their learning.

To me, one important goal at Sugar Labs is to have our user community
engage in the development process. Towards this end, we have provided
scaffolding to support our users in their exploration of the tools
themselves and how the tools are built. This has not been just an
intellectual exercise. We design for end-user contributions, and we have
seen learners taking ownership and the responsibility that comes with
ownership. Sugar users, even when they don’t made contributions to the
code, are active learners, who are immersed in a culture where they are
encouraged to create as well as consume.


[1]
http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/docs/Learning-to-Change-the-World-Chapter-4.pdf
[2]
http://sites.ed.gov/oese/2016/04/open-discussion-on-the-role-of-education-technologies-in-early-childhood-stem-education/

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Re: [IAEP] Translation Community Manager report

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 17:20, Chris Leonard  wrote:

> Most of the work I've done is not captured by this particular issue
> tracker and I see no reason to do double-entry book-keeping in
> multiple task trackers, so I would not look this this particular
> github issue link as a meaningful source of activity tracking.
>

Which issue tracker are you using? :)


> > I expected to hear from Cjl already.
>
> Yes, I had expected to have provided the report already, but the
> request that it be delivered in the form of a blog post has resulted
> in some delay. I'll get it out shortly.
>

Please let us know if there's anything we can do to help! :)
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[IAEP] Translation Community Manager report

[Chris Leonard]

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Sebastian Silva
 wrote:
> Tony,
>
> El 05/06/16 a las 01:14, Tony Anderson escribió:
>
> Note: at the last meeting, the emphasis on voting on a series of motions
> resulted in no report from the Translation Community Manager.
>
> This is absurd. It is the duty of the Translation Community Manager to:
>
> "Report monthly to the Sugar Labs Oversight Board and to the community and
> to the public on the status of the translations program, preferably by
> blogging informally (blog posts can be any length) to
> http://planet.sugarlabs.org using plain language that is understandable to
> almost all."

Yes, that is exactly the language in the contract.  I would note that
I have yet to see a fully executed version of the contract myself, but
let's not get hung up on the legal niceties at this point, I certainly
haven't let it hold me up on performing the job.

I joined the meeting (albeit slightly late), I did not think I was
expected to make any report at the meeting, but I would have been
happy to address any questions raised.


> There is no reason this should happen at the meeting.
>
> I have seen no activity in the translation team issue tracker:
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs-infra/translation-team/pulse/monthly

Interesting query construction. . .

If you instead you use the simple "closed issue"  query link:

https://github.com/sugarlabs-infra/translation-team/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed

You will see that I have in fact closed a number of the issues posted
there.  It was a tracker Sebastian created, not really something I
sought out, but I'll close them as I can, when I have addressed more
important issues first.

Most of the work I've done is not captured by this particular issue
tracker and I see no reason to do double-entry book-keeping in
multiple task trackers, so I would not look this this particular
github issue link as a meaningful source of activity tracking.


> I expected to hear from Cjl already.

Yes, I had expected to have provided the report already, but the
request that it be delivered in the form of a blog post has resulted
in some delay. I'll get it out shortly.

cjl
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[IAEP] Why do you contribute to Sugar?

[Dave Crossland]

In thread "A Better Idea..." on 5 June 2016 at 16:41, Sean DALY <
sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Perhaps trying to thrash out texts is not the best approach - maybe we
> should start with why we the volunteers are convinced about Sugar, and
> think about distilling our Vision from that.
>

I like this suggestion!

I request that everyone subscribed to this list reply to this thread with a
short message about why they are convinced about Sugar.

I'll go first :)

I am convinced about Sugar because I believe learning through
self-discovery is a powerful way for young people to become good people,
good citizens, and to find some particular talents to develop to the
maximum; and I believe Sugar is software that encourages such learning.
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Re: [IAEP] A Better Idea...

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 10:18, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> "Nickel and dimeing" members doesn't seem to be a viable option


For me, neither does making up committees and talking about dedicated
volunteers that do not exist :) We are so small that we do not need any
committees for anything.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] A Better Idea...

[Walter Bender]

For the record, I looked into the X-Prize at the time and had a very
different reaction to Caryl. I thought that they were a poor fit to Sugar
(and after extensive conversations with several people consulting/working
for X-Prize, a poor fit to my personal beliefs about pedagogy and
development). I reported this conclusion at the time to the board and took
no action on behalf of Sugar. That said, there was no reason why someone
else in the community could not have taken some initiative if they thought
this was an important opportunity.

regards.

-walter

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Sean DALY  wrote:

> Hi Caryl
>
> I think you're saying that all SLOBs should be active fundraisers as part
> of the role?
>
> We could also say we "need a team of dedicated volunteers" to work on
> adapting Sugar Activities to curricula, on developing teacher tools, on
> providing support, on adding platforms, on localization, even on marketing.
> Our challenge is to advance with whom we have, and recruit others to help.
>
> Volunteer recruitment, like microdonations or major grants, involves
> communicating a compelling vision of "Why Sugar?"
>
> Perhaps trying to thrash out texts is not the best approach - maybe we
> should start with why we the volunteers are convinced about Sugar, and
> think about distilling our Vision from that.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks…
>>
>> "Nickel and dimeing" members doesn't seem to be a viable option. Not
>> enough funds would be raised for all the wonderful things Dave (and many
>> others) envision. Having an easy means for patrons to donate would be
>> wonderful. But, the best way to raise funds for projects is probably
>> through an active "Development Committee" similar to those used by
>> educational institutions and other non-profits.
>>
>> So, you may ask, what is a Development Committee and what do they do? As
>> the fundraising arm of the organization, it is tasked with seeking out
>> funding sources. For SugarLabs that might be mostly through competitive
>> grants.
>>
>> We have missed out on some important ones already, such as:
>>
>> the Adult Literacy X-Prize (1)… team sign ups closed last December 15 and
>>
>> the Global Learning X-Prize (2), (which seems a perfect fit for Sugar
>> Labs) closed in April of 2015
>>
>> And, what was SLOB doing when these opportunities came and went? In 2015
>> they were concerned with GCI, the election, GSOC, Turtle Arts Days, etc.
>> and in 2014 it was more of the same. Nothing about funding opportunities!
>>
>>  I can't believe we totally missed the Global Learning one. It was such a
>> good fit that I know we could have done very well.
>>
>> We need a team of dedicated volunteers to continually search for new
>> opportunities, such as these, that would be a good fit. It should be
>> organized  with a volunteer chairperson and volunteer members who would
>> continuously be on the look out for possible grant opportunities and
>> discuss them using whatever platform they choose to use. The chairperson,
>> or a designee, could report at the monthly meetings what they had found…
>> either "nothing" or "X, Y, and Z."
>>
>> The board could decide to approve or disapprove moving forward with any
>> of these opportunities with a simple floor motion.
>>
>> Caryl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (1) http://adultliteracy.xprize.org
>>
>> (2) http://learning.xprize.org
>>
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Re: [IAEP] A Better Idea...

[Sean DALY]

Hi Caryl

I think you're saying that all SLOBs should be active fundraisers as part
of the role?

We could also say we "need a team of dedicated volunteers" to work on
adapting Sugar Activities to curricula, on developing teacher tools, on
providing support, on adding platforms, on localization, even on marketing.
Our challenge is to advance with whom we have, and recruit others to help.

Volunteer recruitment, like microdonations or major grants, involves
communicating a compelling vision of "Why Sugar?"

Perhaps trying to thrash out texts is not the best approach - maybe we
should start with why we the volunteers are convinced about Sugar, and
think about distilling our Vision from that.

Sean




On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> Hi Folks…
>
> "Nickel and dimeing" members doesn't seem to be a viable option. Not
> enough funds would be raised for all the wonderful things Dave (and many
> others) envision. Having an easy means for patrons to donate would be
> wonderful. But, the best way to raise funds for projects is probably
> through an active "Development Committee" similar to those used by
> educational institutions and other non-profits.
>
> So, you may ask, what is a Development Committee and what do they do? As
> the fundraising arm of the organization, it is tasked with seeking out
> funding sources. For SugarLabs that might be mostly through competitive
> grants.
>
> We have missed out on some important ones already, such as:
>
> the Adult Literacy X-Prize (1)… team sign ups closed last December 15 and
>
> the Global Learning X-Prize (2), (which seems a perfect fit for Sugar
> Labs) closed in April of 2015
>
> And, what was SLOB doing when these opportunities came and went? In 2015
> they were concerned with GCI, the election, GSOC, Turtle Arts Days, etc.
> and in 2014 it was more of the same. Nothing about funding opportunities!
>
>  I can't believe we totally missed the Global Learning one. It was such a
> good fit that I know we could have done very well.
>
> We need a team of dedicated volunteers to continually search for new
> opportunities, such as these, that would be a good fit. It should be
> organized  with a volunteer chairperson and volunteer members who would
> continuously be on the look out for possible grant opportunities and
> discuss them using whatever platform they choose to use. The chairperson,
> or a designee, could report at the monthly meetings what they had found…
> either "nothing" or "X, Y, and Z."
>
> The board could decide to approve or disapprove moving forward with any of
> these opportunities with a simple floor motion.
>
> Caryl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (1) http://adultliteracy.xprize.org
>
> (2) http://learning.xprize.org
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Sean DALY]

Dave - I developed the Sugar on a Stick strategy in 2009 on the basis of
great work by the developers at that time. The rise & fall of that effort
can be painstakingly documented from the lists, but the most efficient way
to do it is in a discussion.

There were some important learnings:
* Some of the tasks that need to be done are drudgery or quite difficult,
and in an all-volunteer project, they don't get done.
* It doesn't work to "assign" tasks to other volunteers, unless they are on
board with why they should do something because somebody else said so.
* Unfortunately, success can bring negatives as well as positives out of
people, and emotions can run high.
* The relationship with OLPC, principal vector of Sugar distribution, can
occasionally drive one nuts.
* Many engineers (bless 'em, this is not an insult) are utterly clueless
about marketing, which has undesirable side effects: underestimation of its
importance, lemonade-stand level of professionalism, even dismissal of its
relevance.

Since 2009, there have been some major changes in the world: the decrease
of laptops and the dominance of tablets in the education market, the
incredible penetration of social media...

I was unable to attend the latest SLOBs meeting, but I read the log with
interest. I agree with Sameer when he says that e-mail and IRC has
limitations which slow down the exchange we need to have on the Vision
topic. We need to do a phone call or face-to-face of some type.

Sean


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 10:12, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> The strategic plan for Sugarlabs, which should include Vision, Mission,
> Goals, Objectives and Tasks can not only act as a roadmap (time frame 3 to
> 5 years) but also then justify request for funds for said Tasks. The funds
> can be through a fundraising campaign or grants etc.
>

I agree that drafting a comprehensive strategic plan for Sugar Labs is
important, which is why I have been working on the first level, the Vision.

Where are the strategic plans for previous years that include Vision,
Mission, Goals, Objectives and Tasks? :)

I can only find 2 vision pages on the wiki, the one Lionel created 2 months
ago and Design Team/Vision page that was last updated in 2011

before
I migrated it to the 2016 goals page.

There was no mission page on the wiki, but Sean said that the mission was
what was used at the end of the press releases he sent out over the years,
so I created a wiki page with that text last week
,
and removed
the 'mission' section from the Sugar Labs wiki page

to a new mission proposal page
.

I can only find 2 goals pages on the wiki
,
the one I created last week and the SOAS/Goals page that hasn't been
updated since 2009

.

I can not find any pages with objectives

.

The only tasks page

is
the GCI_2014/Tasks  page.

I also just found Sugar_Labs/Roadmap
 but this hasn't been
updated substantially since 2009

.

Where else should I be looking for these things, other than the wiki?
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[IAEP] A Better Idea...

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks…
"Nickel and dimeing" members doesn't seem to be a viable option. Not enough 
funds would be raised for all the wonderful things Dave (and many others) 
envision. Having an easy means for patrons to donate would be wonderful. But, 
the best way to raise funds for projects is probably through an active 
"Development Committee" similar to those used by educational institutions and 
other non-profits.
So, you may ask, what is a Development Committee and what do they do? As the 
fundraising arm of the organization, it is tasked with seeking out funding 
sources. For SugarLabs that might be mostly through competitive grants. 
We have missed out on some important ones already, such as: 
the Adult Literacy X-Prize (1)… team sign ups closed last December 15 and 
the Global Learning X-Prize (2), (which seems a perfect fit for Sugar Labs) 
closed in April of 2015
And, what was SLOB doing when these opportunities came and went? In 2015 they 
were concerned with GCI, the election, GSOC, Turtle Arts Days, etc. and in 2014 
it was more of the same. Nothing about funding opportunities!
 I can't believe we totally missed the Global Learning one. It was such a good 
fit that I know we could have done very well. We need a team of dedicated 
volunteers to continually search for new opportunities, such as these, that 
would be a good fit. It should be organized  with a volunteer chairperson and 
volunteer members who would continuously be on the look out for possible grant 
opportunities and discuss them using whatever platform they choose to use. The 
chairperson, or a designee, could report at the monthly meetings what they had 
found… either "nothing" or "X, Y, and Z."
The board could decide to approve or disapprove moving forward with any of 
these opportunities with a simple floor motion.
Caryl






(1) http://adultliteracy.xprize.org
(2) http://learning.xprize.org
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Sameer Verma]

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Sean DALY  wrote:

>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>
>>> I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
>>> need them.
>>>
>> To pay for labour to achieve goals, such as the existing translations and
>> finance manager roles and perhaps others in the future; to find out which
>> members are active in 2016; to pay for all travel expenses for all active
>> members to attend a sugar summit... there are countless things you can do
>> with general funds.
>
>
>
> Dave - Walter means how we articulate to potential donors, i.e. the
> compelling story I have mentioned. It's a marketing problem and rushing
> through a motion is not the solution - we need to be clear what our vision
> and major goals are, and relate them convincingly to donors.
>
>
+1

The strategic plan for Sugarlabs, which should include Vision, Mission,
Goals, Objectives and Tasks can not only act as a roadmap (time frame 3 to
5 years) but also then justify request for funds for said Tasks. The funds
can be through a fundraising campaign or grants etc.

cheers,
Sameer
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Professor, Information Systems
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/

Sean
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 04:26, Sean DALY  wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>
>>> I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
>>> need them.
>>>
>> To pay for labour to achieve goals, such as the existing translations and
>> finance manager roles and perhaps others in the future; to find out which
>> members are active in 2016; to pay for all travel expenses for all active
>> members to attend a sugar summit... there are countless things you can do
>> with general funds.
>
>
> Dave - Walter means how we articulate to potential donors, i.e. the
> compelling story I have mentioned. It's a marketing problem and rushing
> through a motion is not the solution - we need to be clear what our vision
> and major goals are, and relate them convincingly to donors.
>

Do you think this should be done as part of the motion?
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 99, Issue 16

[Sebastian Silva]

Tony,

El 05/06/16 a las 01:14, Tony Anderson escribió:
> Note: at the last meeting, the emphasis on voting on a series of motions
> resulted in no report from the Translation Community Manager.
This is absurd. It is the duty of the Translation Community Manager to:

/"Report monthly to the Sugar Labs Oversight Board and to the community
and to the public on the status of the translations program, preferably
by blogging informally (blog posts can be any length) to
http://planet.sugarlabs.org using plain language that is understandable
to almost all."/

There is no reason this should happen at the meeting.

I have seen no activity in the translation team issue tracker:

https://github.com/sugarlabs-infra/translation-team/pulse/monthly

I expected to hear from Cjl already.

Regards,

Sebastian

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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 99, Issue 16

[Sebastian Silva]

Sorry about this one I never send private messages, I'll write on list now.

:-)


El 05/06/16 a las 10:31, Dave Crossland escribió:
>
> On 5 June 2016 at 00:14, Tony Anderson  > wrote:
>
> Please compare the current version with the original proposed by
> Lionel Laske or yours before the goals were separated from the
> Vision or the
> one proposed by Laura. Do you think that there is wide-spread
> agreement on the statement or that there has been no change in the
> past two
> months? 
>
>  
>
> When a motion fails to achieve a second, there is a reason. After
> discussion and rewriting, the motion to distribute funds to the
> mentors got my
> second immediately.
>
>
> Over the two months there have been many comments and direct edits by
> members of the community; I have worked diligently to reflect those
> comments where people could not be bothered to make their own edits. 
>
> There was a motion to adopt it 2 months ago, and a motion to adopt it
> last meeting, and a motion to adopt it this meeting. 
>
> There will be a motion to adopt it at the next meeting, and if the
> community hasn't reached wide-spread agreement on the statement by
> then, I will give up. 
>  
>
> The purpose of the Board meeting is to conduct the business of
> Sugar Labs. Note: at the last meeting, the emphasis on voting on a
> series of motions
> resulted in no report from the Translation Community Manager.
>
>
> "Conducting the business" is a vague statement, but for me no business
> was conducted - it was a total failure - because I assert that in
> concrete terms that phrase means voting on motions, which is why I
> have posted a motion to establish a formal procedure for the meetings. 
>
> The procedure I posted allows for the report from the Translation
> Community Manager to be announced by the chair :) I expect that report
> to be on the wiki. Where is it? :)
>
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 99, Issue 16

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 June 2016 at 00:14, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> Please compare the current version with the original proposed by Lionel
> Laske or yours before the goals were separated from the Vision or the
> one proposed by Laura. Do you think that there is wide-spread agreement on
> the statement or that there has been no change in the past two
> months?
>

>
When a motion fails to achieve a second, there is a reason. After
> discussion and rewriting, the motion to distribute funds to the mentors got
> my
> second immediately.
>

Over the two months there have been many comments and direct edits by
members of the community; I have worked diligently to reflect those
comments where people could not be bothered to make their own edits.

There was a motion to adopt it 2 months ago, and a motion to adopt it last
meeting, and a motion to adopt it this meeting.

There will be a motion to adopt it at the next meeting, and if the
community hasn't reached wide-spread agreement on the statement by then, I
will give up.


> The purpose of the Board meeting is to conduct the business of Sugar Labs.
> Note: at the last meeting, the emphasis on voting on a series of motions
> resulted in no report from the Translation Community Manager.
>

"Conducting the business" is a vague statement, but for me no business was
conducted - it was a total failure - because I assert that in concrete
terms that phrase means voting on motions, which is why I have posted a
motion to establish a formal procedure for the meetings.

The procedure I posted allows for the report from the Translation Community
Manager to be announced by the chair :) I expect that report to be on the
wiki. Where is it? :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Sean DALY]

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender  wrote:
>
>> I  am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we
>> need them.
>>
> To pay for labour to achieve goals, such as the existing translations and
> finance manager roles and perhaps others in the future; to find out which
> members are active in 2016; to pay for all travel expenses for all active
> members to attend a sugar summit... there are countless things you can do
> with general funds.



Dave - Walter means how we articulate to potential donors, i.e. the
compelling story I have mentioned. It's a marketing problem and rushing
through a motion is not the solution - we need to be clear what our vision
and major goals are, and relate them convincingly to donors.

Sean
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 99, Issue 16

[Tony Anderson]

Dave

Please compare the current version with the original proposed by Lionel 
Laske or yours before the goals were separated from the Vision or the
one proposed by Laura. Do you think that there is wide-spread agreement 
on the statement or that there has been no change in the past two

months?

When a motion fails to achieve a second, there is a reason. After 
discussion and rewriting, the motion to distribute funds to the mentors 
got my

second immediately.

The purpose of the Board meeting is to conduct the business of Sugar 
Labs. Note: at the last meeting, the emphasis on voting on a series of 
motions

resulted in no report from the Translation Community Manager.

Tony

On 06/05/2016 07:02 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:


Hi

On 4 June 2016 at 03:35, Tony Anderson > wrote:


This discussion of procedures misses the point. Board meetings are
not for the purpose of voting yea/nea on motions.


What do you think the purposes of the board meetings are, then?

A majority of the Board members commented on these motions before
the meeting. These comments were consistent with the comments made
at the meeting with a couple of exceptions. We need to come to a
consensus on the motions before they are presented to the Board.


I disagree completely :) This is not a Quaker Meeting House! :) 
Consensus is explicitly not required: Motions can pass if 1 board 
member is willing to second the motion and 4 affirmative votes 
(majority of 7 seats) are made.


With the exception of motions to authorize payments, I don't see
that any of these motions have an urgency that justifies their
being passed immediately nor any harm to Sugar Labs resulting from
their not being passed on June 3.


I suggest you refer to Walter's email to understand the harm that has 
been done.


I appreciate the work and enthusiasm that you have brought to the
Vision motion. However, I don't understand your apparent
insensitivity to the obvious fact that these issues are very
important to the community and deserve the time needed to obtain
community understanding and commitment.

You have provided a valuable framework in which to have these
discussions and that is a major contribution. I hope that when the
community discussion has reached consensus on the wording of a
vision statement that you will be happy with the result and proud
of your contribution to it.


The community has had TWO MONTHS to get involved so far. How much time 
do you think is needed?


Perhaps I should be drafting a 2017 vision?

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Cheers
Dave


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