Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt)

[Tony Anderson]

The only advice is to get busy with the visa application. It takes a 
minimum of 15 days to process. The step by step is outlined on those 
websites. The main
point it that they must spend a day in Lagos up front filling out the 
visa application. In my experience this is like renewing a driver's 
license - you don't make an appointment, you just go there and follow 
the instructions. They can find out before they go to Lagos what they 
need to bring: passport, birth certificate, extra passport photos and so 
on. They will then to return to Lagos to get the completed visa 
(normally the passport is kept by the consulate during the 15 days).


Personally, since we seem to be willing to fund individuals for past 
contributions to Sugar Labs, I think the contributions of Samson and 
Ibiam are indisputable.

It should be funded on that basis alone.

Tony

On 05/21/2017 11:14 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:


Hi Tony,


These two guys seem to have their acts together on this one but are 
having difficulty getting it approved because people feel they may not 
be able to get all their "ducks in a row" in time to make it happen. 
If there is any help you can give them... advice, people to talk to to 
get it ready etc. it would be really great. They still lack one SLOB 
vote for approval. Too bad Samson can't vote for his own proposal 



Caryl


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Conference (Adam Holt)

Samson and Ibiam will need a Shengen visa
(https://buzznigeria.com/schengen-visa/).

This is handled by the Consulate of France in Nigeria in Lagos
(http://www.vfsglobal.com/France/Nigeria/)

I would recommend they add a couple of days to the trip to visit Paris.
They could fly to Paris de Gaulle, take the train to Bordeaux (leaves
from the terminal) and then return by train from Bordeaux. OLPC France
plans to have some folks there who can help with the arrangements. I
expect to be there as well.

Tony


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt)

[Tony Anderson]

Samson and Ibiam will need a Shengen visa 
(https://buzznigeria.com/schengen-visa/).


This is handled by the Consulate of France in Nigeria in Lagos 
(http://www.vfsglobal.com/France/Nigeria/)


I would recommend they add a couple of days to the trip to visit Paris. 
They could fly to Paris de Gaulle, take the train to Bordeaux (leaves 
from the terminal) and then return by train from Bordeaux. OLPC France 
plans to have some folks there who can help with the arrangements. I 
expect to be there as well.


Tony


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1. Re: [SLOBS]  [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt)
2. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
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3. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
   (Chihurumnaya Ibiam)


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Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:29:47 -0400
From: Adam Holt 
To: iaep , SLOBs 
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]  [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

>
>
>
> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
> government might be the best way.
>

We'll talk with the organizer and see if he has any contact with the French
government, aside that we know there is no guarantee that it will be
granted neither is there any that it'll not be granted.


> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
>

We'll talk with the organizer and see if he has any contact with the French
government.


> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
> http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
>
> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
> social media, but that could be one part of it!)
>

This was in an email i received from the Scratch2017bdx committee

*HAL*
If your proposal has an accompanying paper or poster that you wish to add
to the academic archives, our partner INRIA can publish it in a
Scratch2017BDX section at HAL. HAL is an open archive where authors can
deposit scholarly documents from all academic fields. For this, please fill
out the form at scratch2017bdx.org/en/hal

If that helps.


> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
>

They want to share the responsibility with Sugar Labs, they already have a
budget for the event but every money is virtual at the moment, they are
working it out. So they'd love to pay half of the bill that's an estimated
1500euros($1681.12), but working the figures out the bill goes past that.


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>>
>>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
>>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
>>> be approved?
>>>
>>
>> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>>
>
> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
> government might be the best way.
>
> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
>>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
>>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
>>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
>>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>>
>>
>> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>>
>
> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
>

Sure i am going to do that.

>
> 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
>>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
>>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>>>
>> I don't understand, could you explain more.
>>
>
> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
> http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
>
> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
> social media, but that could be one part of it!)
>
we will document on our wiki page/

>
>
>> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
>>> to contribute?
>>>
>> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
>> foods and visa.
>>
>
> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
>
> I will have to contact the team about that too.

You will hear from me soon.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
wrote:

> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
>> be approved?
>>
>
> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>

You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
government might be the best way.

3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>
>
> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>

Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.

4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>>
> I don't understand, could you explain more.
>

How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?

(Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
social media, but that could be one part of it!)


> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
>> to contribute?
>>
> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
> foods and visa.
>

Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> 1) Lionel is correct to suggest that some-or-most of the $2800 could
> disappear, if France rejects visas (every reasonably-priced flight is
> non-refundable in 2017; these funds would be lost).  Not at all an abstract
> hypothetical: France's visa approval process may require the flight be
> purchased in advance, and Samson's expenses traveling around Nigeria
> (flights, hotels etc) just to get a visa potentially be lost as well.
>

I think i will have do flight reservation to Bordeaux,
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/flight-itinerary-visa-application/

But my expenses traveling around Nigeria is really important because that
how i can the visa. If i don't make the trip no visa.

>
> In any case, I cannot count the number of times this has happened to good
> people with the *Very Best of Intentions*, people I've known to be the
> purest souls, whose visa AND flight funds completely disappeared as a
> result of their overseas visas/entry being rejected, based on one
> mysterious technicality or another.
>
> Worse yet: the (presumed, but not quite!) attendee generally has to pay
> for all lost funds themselves in such situations, as compensation is not
> possible when the conference/event was not in fact attended.
>
> 2) $2800 is far too high of a sum for Sugar Labs to gamble on such an
> uncertain outcome.  Some of the most productive hackers I know in Haiti
> live on $1000 per year total (or less).  I have flown to work with them and
> similar/such people on other continents over the past year, where the grand
> total cost was less than $500 (Asia and Europe) in all cases, by staying in
> other hackers/contributors homes.
>
Traveling from Nigeria is expensive, i had also have some experience when i
went to Nairobi.

For Ibiam a cheap travel plan would be PHC -- LOS -- PAR -- BOD, which
would cost around - €1127 ($1250)

A hotel room for 7 nights  costs about € 252.44 ($280)

Visa and Passport costs about € 149 ($165)

Conference fee €40 ($44.37)

Miscellaneous € 100($111)

Totalling € 1668.4($1851) , most figures rounded up.


>
> Conversely, flying to the EU mid-summer in the height of tourist season,
> is about as expensive as it gets.
>
> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
> be approved?
>

More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.

>
> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>

I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.

>
> 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>
I don't understand, could you explain more.

>
> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
> to contribute?
>
They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
foods and visa.

>
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On May 19, 2017 9:01 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>>
 I second.

 Sameer

 On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
 wrote:

 Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?

 On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
 samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member
> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, 
> so
> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
> policy.
>
>
> Regards
> Samson Goddy
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> It's +1 from me :)
>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
>> doing, awesome work, Samson and 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Adam Holt]

1) Lionel is correct to suggest that some-or-most of the $2800 could
disappear, if France rejects visas (every reasonably-priced flight is
non-refundable in 2017; these funds would be lost).  Not at all an abstract
hypothetical: France's visa approval process may require the flight be
purchased in advance, and Samson's expenses traveling around Nigeria
(flights, hotels etc) just to get a visa potentially be lost as well.

In any case, I cannot count the number of times this has happened to good
people with the *Very Best of Intentions*, people I've known to be the
purest souls, whose visa AND flight funds completely disappeared as a
result of their overseas visas/entry being rejected, based on one
mysterious technicality or another.

Worse yet: the (presumed, but not quite!) attendee generally has to pay for
all lost funds themselves in such situations, as compensation is not
possible when the conference/event was not in fact attended.

2) $2800 is far too high of a sum for Sugar Labs to gamble on such an
uncertain outcome.  Some of the most productive hackers I know in Haiti
live on $1000 per year total (or less).  I have flown to work with them and
similar/such people on other continents over the past year, where the grand
total cost was less than $500 (Asia and Europe) in all cases, by staying in
other hackers/contributors homes.

Conversely, flying to the EU mid-summer in the height of tourist season, is
about as expensive as it gets.

As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
be approved?

3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
nothing goes wrong with the visa?

4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?

ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered to
contribute?


On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> +1
>
> Sameer
>
> On May 19, 2017 9:01 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>
>>> I second.
>>>
>>> Sameer
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy >> > wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since
 wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in
 this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
 that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
 not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
 policy.


 Regards
 Samson Goddy

 On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
 igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> It's +1 from me :)
> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing,
> awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>
> Thanks,
> Ignacio.-
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri  > wrote:
>
>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>>
>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
>> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>
>> Caryl
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
>> Sugar.
>> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related
>> to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson
>> Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>
>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
>> 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Sameer Verma]

+1

Sameer

On May 19, 2017 9:01 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:

> +1
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>> I second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since
>>> wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in
>>> this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
>>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>>> policy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson Goddy
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>>> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone

 It's +1 from me :)
 I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing,
 awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.

 Thanks,
 Ignacio.-

 On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri 
 wrote:

> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>
> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
> wrote:
>
> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to attend
> the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote Sugar. The
> detailed proposal is here [1].
>
> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related
> to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson
> Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>
> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Thanks Laura for explaining better.

Though this is my first time to hear something like this. But i guess we
should wait for walter to clarify the claim.

BR
Samson

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Thank you Ibiam and Samson for clarifying.
>
> I would like to elaborate for the reason why I abstained:
>
> Just as happened with Ignacio's request, you guys are requesting cash in
> advance for your travel.
>
> Just as happened with Ignacio's request,  even after we all voted
> approving the motion, the cash request is considered "out of policy" by the
> Software Freedom Conservancy.
>
> Walter,
>
> As our representative with SFC, can you please confirm this?
>
>
> The SFC travel policy considers that eventually the projects may require
> an exception and also considers Project Leadership Committees (In our case
> SLOBs) responsible for creating procedures or requesting exceptions.
>
>
> If we want to support members that require cash for traveling, we should
> focus on creating first the procedures to request the exceptions from the
> SFC.
>
> Blessings and regards
>
>
> 2017-05-20 4:43 GMT-05:00 Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> :
>
>>
>>
>> Hello Laura
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:20 AM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Walter,
>>>
>>> I just want to point out there is a US$ 1,000 difference among Walter's
>>> motion (US $2,800) and Samson's proposal (US $1,851).
>>>
>>> Samson,
>>>
>>> I think it was a mistake, nothing more to it and Samson answered
>> correctly.
>>
>> You state several times you were invited to the Conference, still your
>>> budget includes US $44,37 as "Conference Fee" this is contradictory.
>>>
>> It is mandatory that everyone attending the Conference pay the
>> "Conference Fee"
>> http://www.scratch2017bdx.org/en/register/
>>
>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Laura V.
>>>
>>> Regards
>> *Ibiam Chihurumnaya*
>>
>>
>> 2017-05-19 22:43 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>>
  Sure.

 3 votes in favour, 1 vote against, 1 Abstain. Since i cannot vote, that
 means we are waiting for Adam Holt to give his vote.

 Regards
 Samson


 On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Laura Vargas 
 wrote:

> Dear Samson,
>
> 2017-05-19 22:31 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>> Hello laura,
>>
>> Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too.
>>
>
>
> I Abstain.
>
>
> Blessing and regards!
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ Laura Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Laura Vargas]

Thank you Ibiam and Samson for clarifying.

I would like to elaborate for the reason why I abstained:

Just as happened with Ignacio's request, you guys are requesting cash in
advance for your travel.

Just as happened with Ignacio's request,  even after we all voted approving
the motion, the cash request is considered "out of policy" by the Software
Freedom Conservancy.

Walter,

As our representative with SFC, can you please confirm this?


The SFC travel policy considers that eventually the projects may require an
exception and also considers Project Leadership Committees (In our case
SLOBs) responsible for creating procedures or requesting exceptions.


If we want to support members that require cash for traveling, we should
focus on creating first the procedures to request the exceptions from the
SFC.

Blessings and regards


2017-05-20 4:43 GMT-05:00 Chihurumnaya Ibiam :

>
>
> Hello Laura
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:20 AM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> Walter,
>>
>> I just want to point out there is a US$ 1,000 difference among Walter's
>> motion (US $2,800) and Samson's proposal (US $1,851).
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> I think it was a mistake, nothing more to it and Samson answered
> correctly.
>
> You state several times you were invited to the Conference, still your
>> budget includes US $44,37 as "Conference Fee" this is contradictory.
>>
> It is mandatory that everyone attending the Conference pay the "Conference
> Fee"
> http://www.scratch2017bdx.org/en/register/
>
>
>> Regards
>>
>> Laura V.
>>
>> Regards
> *Ibiam Chihurumnaya*
>
>
> 2017-05-19 22:43 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>
>>>  Sure.
>>>
>>> 3 votes in favour, 1 vote against, 1 Abstain. Since i cannot vote, that
>>> means we are waiting for Adam Holt to give his vote.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Laura Vargas 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dear Samson,

 2017-05-19 22:31 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :

> Hello laura,
>
> Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too.
>


 I Abstain.


 Blessing and regards!

 --
 Laura V.
 * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*

 “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
 ~ Laura Victoria

 Happy Learning!
 #LearningByDoing
 #Projects4good
 #IDesignATSugarLabs
 #WeCanDoBetter

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> ~ Laura Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>
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>
>


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hello Laura

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:20 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Walter,
>
> I just want to point out there is a US$ 1,000 difference among Walter's
> motion (US $2,800) and Samson's proposal (US $1,851).
>
> Samson,
>
> I think it was a mistake, nothing more to it and Samson answered
correctly.

You state several times you were invited to the Conference, still your
> budget includes US $44,37 as "Conference Fee" this is contradictory.
>
It is mandatory that everyone attending the Conference pay the "Conference
Fee"
http://www.scratch2017bdx.org/en/register/


> Regards
>
> Laura V.
>
> Regards
*Ibiam Chihurumnaya*


2017-05-19 22:43 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>>  Sure.
>>
>> 3 votes in favour, 1 vote against, 1 Abstain. Since i cannot vote, that
>> means we are waiting for Adam Holt to give his vote.
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Samson,
>>>
>>> 2017-05-19 22:31 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>>
 Hello laura,

 Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too.

>>>
>>>
>>> I Abstain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Blessing and regards!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Laura V.
>>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>>
>>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>>> ~ Laura Victoria
>>>
>>> Happy Learning!
>>> #LearningByDoing
>>> #Projects4good
>>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ Laura Victoria
>
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> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Hi,

Laura, i think you are bringing more question that are not applicable. Open
the link to the proposal, scroll to the last page you will see our total
budget. There is no over billing.

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:20 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Walter,
>
> I just want to point out there is a US$ 1,000 difference among Walter's
> motion (US $2,800) and Samson's proposal (US $1,851).
>
please there is no over budget on it. The main proposal is $2680.47 not
$1851 sending $2800 is better because banks will deduct the wired transfer
tax so we will have the exact amount we requested for.

>
>
Samson,
>
> You state several times you were invited to the Conference, still your
> budget includes US $44,37 as "Conference Fee" this is contradictory.
>

Secondly that fee is for Ibiam not me, i am fully funded. Ibiam has to pay
$44.37 for the conference fee because they already paid for mine. If you
read my proposal well you will notice that i just need some money around
744.72 euros to cover my flight cost in Nigeria and visa processing fee.
Ibiam needs flight fee, hotel fee, and conference fee. But the scratch team
offer to cover his visa processing and flight in Nigeria.

Please all this questions are irrelevant because everything is documented
in the proposal. Everyone read it without asking questions because we took
our time to explain every bit of request.

>
> Regards
>
> Laura V.
>

Samson Goddy

>
> 2017-05-19 22:43 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>>  Sure.
>>
>> 3 votes in favour, 1 vote against, 1 Abstain. Since i cannot vote, that
>> means we are waiting for Adam Holt to give his vote.
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Samson,
>>>
>>> 2017-05-19 22:31 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>>
 Hello laura,

 Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too.

>>>
>>>
>>> I Abstain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Blessing and regards!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Laura V.
>>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>>
>>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>>> ~ Laura Victoria
>>>
>>> Happy Learning!
>>> #LearningByDoing
>>> #Projects4good
>>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
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>
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