Re: [IAEP] [Systems] Social Help [was Re: New Discourse version, update available]

2017-09-29 Thread James Cameron 
G'day Bernie,

I agree, Mailman3 would be a useful upgrade.

I'm sorry, I can't suggest any mobile friendly web IRC clients, but
I've heard from others they do exist, just a matter of selecting one.

Cross-linking IRC and Slack via Matrix seems all the rage on the
conference circuit, but that seems mostly a way to avoid having to
change clients.  ;-)

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 09:09:08PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> Thankyou James for the summary and thankyou Sam for the quick response.
> 
> As for Slack: I think it's used only by Samuel to mentor some new sysadmins. 
> I have to admit I'm rarely on IRC these days due to lack of a good Android 
> client, but I'd also recommend against adding new public communication 
> channels for the project.
> 
> Would someone volunteer to update chat.sugarlabs.org? Perhaps see if there 
> are web IRC clients that are more mobile friendly than qwebirc?
> 
> And Mailman3 with Hyperkitty would also be a big help for non-technical users 
> (forum like interface for posting to lists).
> 
> 
> On September 29, 2017 6:36:19 PM EDT, Sam Parkinson  wrote:
> >Thanks for replying James.  Your pretty spot - that is a pretty good
> >summary of the thing.
> >I didn't get the email alerting about the 1-click upgrade.  I'm
> >clicking to apply it now.
> >I've granted admin to quozl.  If any sysadmin would like admin on the
> >service, please send your username and I can add you via the web
> >interface.  If you admin, I think that will let you do 1 click
> >upgrades.
> >Sorry for dropping the ball on this one.
> >On Sat, 2017-09-30 at 06:46 +1000, James Cameron wrote:
> >> G'day Bernie,
> >> 
> >> No, and no.
> >> 
> >> Thanks for raising this.  It is a risk to have a public service
> >> unmaintained, as it can lead to it being exploited.
> >> 
> >> Discourse is integrated with Sugar through the Social Help feature
> >> [0], using the alt-shift-h shortcut or the frame icon.  The feature
> >> was added [1, 2] in GSoC 2014 and merged in May 2015 for Sugar 0.106,
> >> with some good fixes since.
> >> 
> >> Social Help is an underutilised feature.  Rate of new posts is
> >> minimal, at about two per year, and I think I'm the only person
> >> responding [3].
> >> 
> >> Despite designed technical advantages [1] Social Help has not had the
> >> popularity or numerical success of Sugar Network, and with the
> >> board's
> >> decision [4] to remediate Sugar Network my guess is that the Social
> >> Help feature could be removed from Sugar.
> >> 
> >> My guesses for why Social Help has not been used are;
> >> 
> >> (a) the feature is undiscoverable,
> >> 
> >> (b) deployments have set up their own forums,
> >> 
> >> (c) independent users of Sugar 0.106 and later are minimal,
> >> 
> >> (d) failed to gain critical mass.
> >> 
> >> To answer your questions;
> >> 
> >> 1.  I'm not handling updates to Discourse; I've no access keys and
> >> don't know how to do it [5].  Sam Parkinson was handling updates at
> >> one stage.
> >> 
> >> 2.  I'm not using it for project communications, and I've asked those
> >> who try that to use mailing lists [6].
> >> 
> >> You mention Slack.  I don't believe we have Slack.  Slack isn't
> >> referenced in the Wiki, and hasn't been mentioned on mailing lists.
> >> If Slack is being used, it is a private group, and the knowledge
> >> hasn't been widely distributed yet.  Please do that?
> >> 
> >> We do have too many project communication options for the size of the
> >> project at the moment.  I'd like to see some options close.
> >> 
> >> +CC sugar-devel@ and iaep@ since I've raised several issues that may
> >> benefit from wider discussion.  ;-)
> >> 
> >> References:
> >> 
> >> 0.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Social_Help
> >> 1.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/AnaBalica/Socia
> >> l_Help#Comparison_between_Discourse_and_Sugar_Network
> >> 2.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/Prasoon2211/Soc
> >> ial_Help
> >> 3.  https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/
> >> 4.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-04-2
> >> 1_2
> >> 5.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Social_Help#Todo
> >> 6.  https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/t/sugar-collaboration-xsce-iiab-
> >> xmpp-jabber-ejabberd/226/5
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 01:31:46PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> >> > Is anyone handling updates for discourse?
> >> > 
> >> > Is it being used for project communication? I ask because we also
> >> > have
> >> > IRC, Slack and mailing lists.
> >> > 
> >> > On 29/09/17 07:57, socialh...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
> >> > > Hooray, a new version of Discourse  is
> >> > > available!
> >> > > 
> >> > > Your version: 1.6.8
> >> > > New version: *1.8.8*
> >> > > 
> >> > >   *
> >> > > 
> >> > > Upgrade using our easy *one-click browser upgrade [...]
> >> > > 
> >> > >   *
> >> > > 
> >> > > See what's new in the GitHub changelog
> >> > >

Re: [IAEP] Candidates???

2017-09-29 Thread Caryl Bigenho 
Good!


I'm glad to see it was sent. That was a travel day for us and so I missed it. 
There were others who didn't see it (I asked some people) so this will serve as 
a reminder for anyone who missed it the first time.


Caryl


From: Sebastian Silva 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 6:43:55 PM
To: Caryl Bigenho; iaep; Adam Holt; Shameer Verma; Samson Goddy; Lionel Laske; 
Walter Bender; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Laura Vargas
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Candidates???


Hi Caryl,

Looks like you missed it:

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020182.html


On 29/09/17 19:43, Caryl Bigenho wrote:

Hi All...


Way back on 10/23/17 there was an announcement of the election and the list of 
candidates. To date, I have not seen a similar email to the IAEP list. Why?


There is one small difficulty (at least). This email, in Castellaño only, 
includes a reminder that the deadline for new members to indicate they want to 
be included in the vote is September 27, 2017 (two days ago). This went only to 
Spanish speakers, thus possibly disenfranchising some others who don't read 
Spanish.


Caryl


P.S. For others who didn't get the message, here is the text of the message 
from the 23rd along with a translation:


Estimada comunidad de Sugar Labs,

El Comité de Membresía y Elecciones está feliz reportar que tenemos 8 
candidatos para las 4 posiciones disponibles para la elección de 2017–2019 de 
la Junta de Supervisión de Sugar Labs. Los candidatos que completaron 
exitosamente sus entregas al wiki a tiempo son:

1. Devin Ulibarri
2. Walter Bender
3. Sebastian Silva
4. Lionel Laské
5. Sameer Verma
6. Sean Daly
7. Adam Holt
8. Claudia Urrea

Puedes leer las declaraciones de los candidatos en: 
.

Gracias a todos los candidatos para publicar sus candidaturas.

ETAPA IV: Las elecciones ocurrirán en el 1 al 15 de octubre de 2017.

Gracias por adelantado a Ignacio Rodríguez, que será en cargo de todos los 
procedimientos técnicos con la asistencia del equipo de infraestructura de 
Sugar Labs: mailto:syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org>>.

¡Recuerda que el 27 de septiembre de 
2017 
es la fecha límite para solicitudes de miembros nuevos para participar en las 
elecciones de 2017–2019!

And a translation:

Dear Sugar Labs Community,

The Membership and Elections Committee is happy to report we have 8 candidates 
for 4 available positions in the Sugar Labs Oversight Board election for 
2017-2018. The candidates who have successfully filed their candidate 
declarations and statements on time are:

1. Devin Ulibarri
2. Walter Bender
3. Sebastian Silva
4. Lionel Laské
5. Sameer Verma
6. Sean Daly
7. Adam Holt
8. Claudia Urrea

You can read the candidate's statements at 
.

Thank you to all the candidates for publishing your statements of candidacy.

STEP 4: The election will take place from October1 to October 15, 2017.

Thanks in advance to Ignacio Rodriguez who will be in charge of all the 
technical aspects with the help of the Sugar Labs infrastructure team. 
mailto:syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org>>.

Remember that September 27, 2017 is the deadline for applications for new 
membership to be eligible to participate in the 2017-2019 elections (2018???)! 
27 de septiembre de 
2017






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Re: [IAEP] Candidates???

2017-09-29 Thread Sebastian Silva 
Hi Caryl,

Looks like you missed it:

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020182.html



On 29/09/17 19:43, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
>
> Hi All...
>
>
> Way back on 10/23/17 there was an announcement of the election and the
> list of candidates. To date, I have not seen a similar email to the
> IAEP list. Why?
>
>
> There is one small difficulty (at least). This email, in Castellaño
> only, includes a reminder that the deadline for new members to
> indicate they want to be included in the vote is September 27, 2017
> (two days ago). This went only to Spanish speakers, thus possibly
> disenfranchising some others who don't read Spanish.
>
>
> Caryl
>
>
> P.S. For others who didn't get the message, here is the text of the
> message from the 23rd along with a translation:
>
>
> Estimada comunidad de Sugar Labs,
>
> El Comité de Membresía y Elecciones está feliz reportar que tenemos 8
> candidatos para las 4 posiciones disponibles para la elección de
> 2017–2019 de la Junta de Supervisión de Sugar Labs. Los candidatos que
> completaron exitosamente sus entregas al wiki a tiempo son:
>
> 1. Devin Ulibarri
> 2. Walter Bender
> 3. Sebastian Silva
> 4. Lionel Laské
> 5. Sameer Verma
> 6. Sean Daly
> 7. Adam Holt
> 8. Claudia Urrea
>
> Puedes leer las declaraciones de los candidatos en:
>  >.
>
> Gracias a todos los candidatos para publicar sus candidaturas.
>
> ETAPA IV: Las elecciones ocurrirán en el 1 al 15 de octubre de 2017.
>
> Gracias por adelantado a Ignacio Rodríguez, que será en cargo de todos
> los procedimientos técnicos con la asistencia del equipo de
> infraestructura de Sugar Labs:  >.
>
> ¡Recuerda que el 27 de septiembre de 2017
> 
> es la fecha límite para solicitudes de miembros nuevos para participar
> en las elecciones de 2017–2019!
>
> And a translation:
>
> Dear Sugar Labs Community,
>
> The Membership and Elections Committee is happy to report we have 8
> candidates for 4 available positions in the Sugar Labs Oversight Board
> election for 2017-2018. The candidates who have successfully filed
> their candidate declarations and statements on time are:
>
> 1. Devin Ulibarri
> 2. Walter Bender
> 3. Sebastian Silva
> 4. Lionel Laské
> 5. Sameer Verma
> 6. Sean Daly
> 7. Adam Holt
> 8. Claudia Urrea
>
> You can read the candidate's statements at
>  >.
>
> Thank you to all the candidates for publishing your statements of
> candidacy.
>
> STEP 4: The election will take place from October1 to October 15, 2017.
>
> Thanks in advance to Ignacio Rodriguez who will be in charge of all
> the technical aspects with the help of the Sugar Labs infrastructure
> team. mailto:syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org>>.
>
> Remember that September 27, 2017 is the deadline for applications for
> new membership to be eligible to participate in the 2017-2019
> elections /(2018???)/! 27 de septiembre de 2017
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Systems] Social Help [was Re: New Discourse version, update available]

2017-09-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti 
Thankyou James for the summary and thankyou Sam for the quick response.

As for Slack: I think it's used only by Samuel to mentor some new sysadmins. I 
have to admit I'm rarely on IRC these days due to lack of a good Android 
client, but I'd also recommend against adding new public communication channels 
for the project.

Would someone volunteer to update chat.sugarlabs.org? Perhaps see if there are 
web IRC clients that are more mobile friendly than qwebirc?

And Mailman3 with Hyperkitty would also be a big help for non-technical users 
(forum like interface for posting to lists).


On September 29, 2017 6:36:19 PM EDT, Sam Parkinson  wrote:
>Thanks for replying James.  Your pretty spot - that is a pretty good
>summary of the thing.
>I didn't get the email alerting about the 1-click upgrade.  I'm
>clicking to apply it now.
>I've granted admin to quozl.  If any sysadmin would like admin on the
>service, please send your username and I can add you via the web
>interface.  If you admin, I think that will let you do 1 click
>upgrades.
>Sorry for dropping the ball on this one.
>On Sat, 2017-09-30 at 06:46 +1000, James Cameron wrote:
>> G'day Bernie,
>> 
>> No, and no.
>> 
>> Thanks for raising this.  It is a risk to have a public service
>> unmaintained, as it can lead to it being exploited.
>> 
>> Discourse is integrated with Sugar through the Social Help feature
>> [0], using the alt-shift-h shortcut or the frame icon.  The feature
>> was added [1, 2] in GSoC 2014 and merged in May 2015 for Sugar 0.106,
>> with some good fixes since.
>> 
>> Social Help is an underutilised feature.  Rate of new posts is
>> minimal, at about two per year, and I think I'm the only person
>> responding [3].
>> 
>> Despite designed technical advantages [1] Social Help has not had the
>> popularity or numerical success of Sugar Network, and with the
>> board's
>> decision [4] to remediate Sugar Network my guess is that the Social
>> Help feature could be removed from Sugar.
>> 
>> My guesses for why Social Help has not been used are;
>> 
>> (a) the feature is undiscoverable,
>> 
>> (b) deployments have set up their own forums,
>> 
>> (c) independent users of Sugar 0.106 and later are minimal,
>> 
>> (d) failed to gain critical mass.
>> 
>> To answer your questions;
>> 
>> 1.  I'm not handling updates to Discourse; I've no access keys and
>> don't know how to do it [5].  Sam Parkinson was handling updates at
>> one stage.
>> 
>> 2.  I'm not using it for project communications, and I've asked those
>> who try that to use mailing lists [6].
>> 
>> You mention Slack.  I don't believe we have Slack.  Slack isn't
>> referenced in the Wiki, and hasn't been mentioned on mailing lists.
>> If Slack is being used, it is a private group, and the knowledge
>> hasn't been widely distributed yet.  Please do that?
>> 
>> We do have too many project communication options for the size of the
>> project at the moment.  I'd like to see some options close.
>> 
>> +CC sugar-devel@ and iaep@ since I've raised several issues that may
>> benefit from wider discussion.  ;-)
>> 
>> References:
>> 
>> 0.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Social_Help
>> 1.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/AnaBalica/Socia
>> l_Help#Comparison_between_Discourse_and_Sugar_Network
>> 2.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/Prasoon2211/Soc
>> ial_Help
>> 3.  https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/
>> 4.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-04-2
>> 1_2
>> 5.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Social_Help#Todo
>> 6.  https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/t/sugar-collaboration-xsce-iiab-
>> xmpp-jabber-ejabberd/226/5
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 01:31:46PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
>> > Is anyone handling updates for discourse?
>> > 
>> > Is it being used for project communication? I ask because we also
>> > have
>> > IRC, Slack and mailing lists.
>> > 
>> > On 29/09/17 07:57, socialh...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
>> > > Hooray, a new version of Discourse  is
>> > > available!
>> > > 
>> > > Your version: 1.6.8
>> > > New version: *1.8.8*
>> > > 
>> > >   *
>> > > 
>> > > Upgrade using our easy *one-click browser upgrade [...]
>> > > 
>> > >   *
>> > > 
>> > > See what's new in the GitHub changelog
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > >   *
>> > > 
>> > > Visit meta.discourse.org  for
>> > > news,
>> > > discussion, and support for Discourse
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > ___
>> > > Systems mailing list
>> > > syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/systems
>> > > 
>> > 
>> > 
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>> >  \X/  http://codewiz.org
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[IAEP] Candidates???

2017-09-29 Thread Caryl Bigenho 
Hi All...


Way back on 10/23/17 there was an announcement of the election and the list of 
candidates. To date, I have not seen a similar email to the IAEP list. Why?


There is one small difficulty (at least). This email, in Castellaño only, 
includes a reminder that the deadline for new members to indicate they want to 
be included in the vote is September 27, 2017 (two days ago). This went only to 
Spanish speakers, thus possibly disenfranchising some others who don't read 
Spanish.


Caryl


P.S. For others who didn't get the message, here is the text of the message 
from the 23rd along with a translation:


Estimada comunidad de Sugar Labs,

El Comité de Membresía y Elecciones está feliz reportar que tenemos 8 
candidatos para las 4 posiciones disponibles para la elección de 2017–2019 de 
la Junta de Supervisión de Sugar Labs. Los candidatos que completaron 
exitosamente sus entregas al wiki a tiempo son:

1. Devin Ulibarri
2. Walter Bender
3. Sebastian Silva
4. Lionel Laské
5. Sameer Verma
6. Sean Daly
7. Adam Holt
8. Claudia Urrea

Puedes leer las declaraciones de los candidatos en: 
.

Gracias a todos los candidatos para publicar sus candidaturas.

ETAPA IV: Las elecciones ocurrirán en el 1 al 15 de octubre de 2017.

Gracias por adelantado a Ignacio Rodríguez, que será en cargo de todos los 
procedimientos técnicos con la asistencia del equipo de infraestructura de 
Sugar Labs: mailto:syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org>>.

¡Recuerda que el 27 de septiembre de 
2017 
es la fecha límite para solicitudes de miembros nuevos para participar en las 
elecciones de 2017–2019!

And a translation:

Dear Sugar Labs Community,

The Membership and Elections Committee is happy to report we have 8 candidates 
for 4 available positions in the Sugar Labs Oversight Board election for 
2017-2018. The candidates who have successfully filed their candidate 
declarations and statements on time are:

1. Devin Ulibarri
2. Walter Bender
3. Sebastian Silva
4. Lionel Laské
5. Sameer Verma
6. Sean Daly
7. Adam Holt
8. Claudia Urrea

You can read the candidate's statements at 
.

Thank you to all the candidates for publishing your statements of candidacy.

STEP 4: The election will take place from October1 to October 15, 2017.

Thanks in advance to Ignacio Rodriguez who will be in charge of all the 
technical aspects with the help of the Sugar Labs infrastructure team. 
mailto:syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org>>.

Remember that September 27, 2017 is the deadline for applications for new 
membership to be eligible to participate in the 2017-2019 elections (2018???)! 
27 de septiembre de 
2017



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Re: [IAEP] Social Help [was Re: New Discourse version, update available]

2017-09-29 Thread Sam Parkinson 
Thanks for replying James.  Your pretty spot - that is a pretty good
summary of the thing.
I didn't get the email alerting about the 1-click upgrade.  I'm
clicking to apply it now.
I've granted admin to quozl.  If any sysadmin would like admin on the
service, please send your username and I can add you via the web
interface.  If you admin, I think that will let you do 1 click
upgrades.
Sorry for dropping the ball on this one.
On Sat, 2017-09-30 at 06:46 +1000, James Cameron wrote:
> G'day Bernie,
> 
> No, and no.
> 
> Thanks for raising this.  It is a risk to have a public service
> unmaintained, as it can lead to it being exploited.
> 
> Discourse is integrated with Sugar through the Social Help feature
> [0], using the alt-shift-h shortcut or the frame icon.  The feature
> was added [1, 2] in GSoC 2014 and merged in May 2015 for Sugar 0.106,
> with some good fixes since.
> 
> Social Help is an underutilised feature.  Rate of new posts is
> minimal, at about two per year, and I think I'm the only person
> responding [3].
> 
> Despite designed technical advantages [1] Social Help has not had the
> popularity or numerical success of Sugar Network, and with the
> board's
> decision [4] to remediate Sugar Network my guess is that the Social
> Help feature could be removed from Sugar.
> 
> My guesses for why Social Help has not been used are;
> 
> (a) the feature is undiscoverable,
> 
> (b) deployments have set up their own forums,
> 
> (c) independent users of Sugar 0.106 and later are minimal,
> 
> (d) failed to gain critical mass.
> 
> To answer your questions;
> 
> 1.  I'm not handling updates to Discourse; I've no access keys and
> don't know how to do it [5].  Sam Parkinson was handling updates at
> one stage.
> 
> 2.  I'm not using it for project communications, and I've asked those
> who try that to use mailing lists [6].
> 
> You mention Slack.  I don't believe we have Slack.  Slack isn't
> referenced in the Wiki, and hasn't been mentioned on mailing lists.
> If Slack is being used, it is a private group, and the knowledge
> hasn't been widely distributed yet.  Please do that?
> 
> We do have too many project communication options for the size of the
> project at the moment.  I'd like to see some options close.
> 
> +CC sugar-devel@ and iaep@ since I've raised several issues that may
> benefit from wider discussion.  ;-)
> 
> References:
> 
> 0.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Social_Help
> 1.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/AnaBalica/Socia
> l_Help#Comparison_between_Discourse_and_Sugar_Network
> 2.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/Prasoon2211/Soc
> ial_Help
> 3.  https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/
> 4.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-04-2
> 1_2
> 5.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Social_Help#Todo
> 6.  https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/t/sugar-collaboration-xsce-iiab-
> xmpp-jabber-ejabberd/226/5
> 
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 01:31:46PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> > Is anyone handling updates for discourse?
> > 
> > Is it being used for project communication? I ask because we also
> > have
> > IRC, Slack and mailing lists.
> > 
> > On 29/09/17 07:57, socialh...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
> > > Hooray, a new version of Discourse  is
> > > available!
> > > 
> > > Your version: 1.6.8
> > > New version: *1.8.8*
> > > 
> > >   *
> > > 
> > > Upgrade using our easy *one-click browser upgrade [...]
> > > 
> > >   *
> > > 
> > > See what's new in the GitHub changelog
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   *
> > > 
> > > Visit meta.discourse.org  for
> > > news,
> > > discussion, and support for Discourse
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ___
> > > Systems mailing list
> > > syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/systems
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> >  _ // Bernie Innocenti
> >  \X/  http://codewiz.org
> > ___
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> > syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org
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[IAEP] Social Help [was Re: New Discourse version, update available]

2017-09-29 Thread James Cameron 
G'day Bernie,

No, and no.

Thanks for raising this.  It is a risk to have a public service
unmaintained, as it can lead to it being exploited.

Discourse is integrated with Sugar through the Social Help feature
[0], using the alt-shift-h shortcut or the frame icon.  The feature
was added [1, 2] in GSoC 2014 and merged in May 2015 for Sugar 0.106,
with some good fixes since.

Social Help is an underutilised feature.  Rate of new posts is
minimal, at about two per year, and I think I'm the only person
responding [3].

Despite designed technical advantages [1] Social Help has not had the
popularity or numerical success of Sugar Network, and with the board's
decision [4] to remediate Sugar Network my guess is that the Social
Help feature could be removed from Sugar.

My guesses for why Social Help has not been used are;

(a) the feature is undiscoverable,

(b) deployments have set up their own forums,

(c) independent users of Sugar 0.106 and later are minimal,

(d) failed to gain critical mass.

To answer your questions;

1.  I'm not handling updates to Discourse; I've no access keys and
don't know how to do it [5].  Sam Parkinson was handling updates at
one stage.

2.  I'm not using it for project communications, and I've asked those
who try that to use mailing lists [6].

You mention Slack.  I don't believe we have Slack.  Slack isn't
referenced in the Wiki, and hasn't been mentioned on mailing lists.
If Slack is being used, it is a private group, and the knowledge
hasn't been widely distributed yet.  Please do that?

We do have too many project communication options for the size of the
project at the moment.  I'd like to see some options close.

+CC sugar-devel@ and iaep@ since I've raised several issues that may
benefit from wider discussion.  ;-)

References:

0.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Social_Help
1.  
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/AnaBalica/Social_Help#Comparison_between_Discourse_and_Sugar_Network
2.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/Prasoon2211/Social_Help
3.  https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/
4.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-04-21_2
5.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Social_Help#Todo
6.  
https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/t/sugar-collaboration-xsce-iiab-xmpp-jabber-ejabberd/226/5

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 01:31:46PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> Is anyone handling updates for discourse?
> 
> Is it being used for project communication? I ask because we also have
> IRC, Slack and mailing lists.
> 
> On 29/09/17 07:57, socialh...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
> > Hooray, a new version of Discourse  is available!
> > 
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> > 
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Technical Service Request - Project: Sugar Network

2017-09-29 Thread Lionel Laské 
Cool. Good news.

Please Laura, keep us inform about the work done.

Best regards.

   Lionel.


2017-09-29 20:10 GMT+02:00 Laura Vargas :

>
> Thank you very much Sameer!
>
> I have updated the wiki decisions
>  page
> and hope to schedule the maintenance tasks for Sugar Network implementation
> in Perú ASAP.
>
> Achieving sustainability in the future will depend on the implementation
> team's capacity to understand, follow and complete the upstreaming process
> so that specific design features that have proof to facilitate
> collaborative learning on Sugar Network make it to the latest version of
> Sugar and therefore expand on more territories.
>
> Regards and thank you once more to all board members that supported this
> request.
>
> Laura V
>
>
>
> 2017-09-28 21:29 GMT-05:00 Sameer Verma :
>
>> Sorry, but I've been traveling, so didn't see this.
>>
>> For a one time maintenance, I'll give it a +1. However, this project
>> needs to find better ways to sustain.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > 2017-09-26 21:44 GMT-05:00 Chris Leonard :
>> >>
>> >> top-posting because of thread length.
>> >>
>> >> 1) The original request was posted 2017-04-02, how urgent can it
>> really be
>> >> if it has been impossible to find someone to step up and volunteer 20
>> >> minutes to do this in the past six months?
>> >
>> >
>> > Unfortunately in Perú we had a +2 months Teacher's Strike after mid-term
>> > vacations. Current political climate at Min-Edu is very unstable and
>> slowly
>> > classes are going back to normal. Now that learners are back to schools,
>> > they are back working within Sugar Network.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2) Has any other maintenance been performed on this server in the last
>> six
>> >> months?  If yes, why has CAPTCHA not been added already?  If no, is
>> this
>> >> truly a viable service if no one will maintain it?
>> >
>> >
>> > Samuel and Sebastian have help with the main maintenance of the server
>> where
>> > it is hosted. Still, the maintenance we need now is on the code and the
>> data
>> > base.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> 3)  What is the justification for $500 in costs when it takes 7 steps
>> and
>> >> 20 minutes to implement reCAPTCHA according the developer's own
>> estimate.
>> >>
>> >> https://codelabs.developers.google.com/codelabs/reCAPTCHA/index.html#0
>> >>
>> >
>> > I guess we can do with less if necessary but it requires hours
>> described in
>> > the proposal. The request I made will cover re-creating a development
>> > environment, integration of the captcha forms, documentation and of
>> course
>> > cleaning the Spam.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> 4) Is there any expiration time limit on motions to the SLOBs?   Maybe
>> >> after 6 months it should go to a fresh vote as circumstances can
>> obviously
>> >> change?
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes usually the window for voting is seven days. I am requesting SLOBs
>> to
>> > consider Sameer's vote if possible because l have failed to find other
>> ways
>> > to sponsor this maintenance.
>> >
>> > Thanks for your interest
>> >
>> > Laura V
>> >
>> >>
>> >> cjl
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Laura Vargas 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear Sameer,
>> >>>
>> >>> You probably missed this motion as we didn't get your vote.
>> >>>
>> >>> Today, we are still in need of funding due to recurrent *spam
>> attacks* we
>> >>> have had during previous months, and given the fact that we are
>> serving a
>> >>> large group of active users during the local school year, I hope the
>> board
>> >>> can accept your late vote.
>> >>>
>> >>> The motion presented by Lionel and Seconded by Samson states:
>> >>>
>> >>> Motion: Urgent maintenance budget of 500$ for fixing spam attacks on
>> >>> Sugar Network. Detail of the tasks to do are described in the
>> Technical
>> >>> Service Request provided by Laura. It's an one shot motion to avoid
>> >>> interruption of service for Sugar Network users. Further investments
>> on
>> >>> Sugar Network will be correlated to discussion about long-term
>> support of
>> >>> the platform.
>> >>>
>> >>> So far, we got:
>> >>>
>> >>> 3 votes on favor (Ignacio, Samson and Lionel)
>> >>> 1 vote against (Walter)
>> >>> 1 abstain (Adam)
>> >>> 1 recuse (Laura)
>> >>>
>> >>> I know you hope to bring your skills and expertise to contribute to
>> the
>> >>> strategic direction of Sugar the project, and its implementations, so
>> I ask
>> >>> for your support for this implementation serving +40,000 learners.
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope for your positive vote.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards and blessings from Perú.
>> >>>
>> >>> Laura
>> >>>
>> >>> 2017-04-21 14:54 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt :
>> 
>>  I abstain as I see real arguments on both sides, and apologize I am
>>  torn.
>> 
>>  On Apr 21, 2017 3:49 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Laura V

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Technical Service Request - Project: Sugar Network

2017-09-29 Thread Laura Vargas 
Thank you very much Sameer!

I have updated the wiki decisions
 page
and hope to schedule the maintenance tasks for Sugar Network implementation
in Perú ASAP.

Achieving sustainability in the future will depend on the implementation
team's capacity to understand, follow and complete the upstreaming process
so that specific design features that have proof to facilitate
collaborative learning on Sugar Network make it to the latest version of
Sugar and therefore expand on more territories.

Regards and thank you once more to all board members that supported this
request.

Laura V



2017-09-28 21:29 GMT-05:00 Sameer Verma :

> Sorry, but I've been traveling, so didn't see this.
>
> For a one time maintenance, I'll give it a +1. However, this project
> needs to find better ways to sustain.
>
> Sameer
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-26 21:44 GMT-05:00 Chris Leonard :
> >>
> >> top-posting because of thread length.
> >>
> >> 1) The original request was posted 2017-04-02, how urgent can it really
> be
> >> if it has been impossible to find someone to step up and volunteer 20
> >> minutes to do this in the past six months?
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately in Perú we had a +2 months Teacher's Strike after mid-term
> > vacations. Current political climate at Min-Edu is very unstable and
> slowly
> > classes are going back to normal. Now that learners are back to schools,
> > they are back working within Sugar Network.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2) Has any other maintenance been performed on this server in the last
> six
> >> months?  If yes, why has CAPTCHA not been added already?  If no, is this
> >> truly a viable service if no one will maintain it?
> >
> >
> > Samuel and Sebastian have help with the main maintenance of the server
> where
> > it is hosted. Still, the maintenance we need now is on the code and the
> data
> > base.
> >
> >>
> >> 3)  What is the justification for $500 in costs when it takes 7 steps
> and
> >> 20 minutes to implement reCAPTCHA according the developer's own
> estimate.
> >>
> >> https://codelabs.developers.google.com/codelabs/reCAPTCHA/index.html#0
> >>
> >
> > I guess we can do with less if necessary but it requires hours described
> in
> > the proposal. The request I made will cover re-creating a development
> > environment, integration of the captcha forms, documentation and of
> course
> > cleaning the Spam.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> 4) Is there any expiration time limit on motions to the SLOBs?   Maybe
> >> after 6 months it should go to a fresh vote as circumstances can
> obviously
> >> change?
> >
> >
> > Yes usually the window for voting is seven days. I am requesting SLOBs to
> > consider Sameer's vote if possible because l have failed to find other
> ways
> > to sponsor this maintenance.
> >
> > Thanks for your interest
> >
> > Laura V
> >
> >>
> >> cjl
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Laura Vargas 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Sameer,
> >>>
> >>> You probably missed this motion as we didn't get your vote.
> >>>
> >>> Today, we are still in need of funding due to recurrent *spam attacks*
> we
> >>> have had during previous months, and given the fact that we are
> serving a
> >>> large group of active users during the local school year, I hope the
> board
> >>> can accept your late vote.
> >>>
> >>> The motion presented by Lionel and Seconded by Samson states:
> >>>
> >>> Motion: Urgent maintenance budget of 500$ for fixing spam attacks on
> >>> Sugar Network. Detail of the tasks to do are described in the Technical
> >>> Service Request provided by Laura. It's an one shot motion to avoid
> >>> interruption of service for Sugar Network users. Further investments on
> >>> Sugar Network will be correlated to discussion about long-term support
> of
> >>> the platform.
> >>>
> >>> So far, we got:
> >>>
> >>> 3 votes on favor (Ignacio, Samson and Lionel)
> >>> 1 vote against (Walter)
> >>> 1 abstain (Adam)
> >>> 1 recuse (Laura)
> >>>
> >>> I know you hope to bring your skills and expertise to contribute to the
> >>> strategic direction of Sugar the project, and its implementations, so
> I ask
> >>> for your support for this implementation serving +40,000 learners.
> >>>
> >>> I hope for your positive vote.
> >>>
> >>> Regards and blessings from Perú.
> >>>
> >>> Laura
> >>>
> >>> 2017-04-21 14:54 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt :
> 
>  I abstain as I see real arguments on both sides, and apologize I am
>  torn.
> 
>  On Apr 21, 2017 3:49 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Laura Vargas  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> As I have come to understand I, Laura was ineligible to vote
> according
> >> to the Conflict of Interest Policy of Conservancy.
> >>
> >> So, we had 6 eligible votes with the following results during the
> >> voting period by email:
> >>
> >> 3 votes on