Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team

[James Cameron]

The situation is troubling, and affects my enjoyment of source code
maintenance.  ;-)

After resignation of ombudsman, the response has been;

- Walter thanked Bert for his help,

- Laura is sad for Bert's decision, and asks to replace ombudsman with
  a response team,

- Adam says resignation is tragic beyond words,

- Sameer thanked Bert,

- Samson thanked Bert, and is sad to see him go.

We have not heard from Lionel or Ignacio.  By majority of those
present, the board both thanked Bert and regrets the resignation.

There's no hurry.  While we wait for the response team proposal to be
discussed, the board is the default for resolving issues that would
otherwise be resolved by an ombudsman.  This is made clear by the Wiki
"feel free to contact off-list any member of the oversight board in
confidence".

In general, when a board is responsible for something, they are
"jointly and severally" responsible, which means they are responsible
as a whole, while at the same time individually responsible.

For conflict or misunderstanding within a board, there is no outside
party to help, apart from the courts.  In my experience, board members
will work privately to resolve their individual disputes and
miscommunications, and if that doesn't work they resign rather than be
jointly responsible with others they cannot trust.  This is because a
board member remains responsible for a board decision even if they did
not assent.

Putting this another way; a board member cannot avoid responsibility
for a decision made by the board.  Last opportunity to avoid is by
raising a point of order to resign just before a vote is put.

It is this inability to avoid responsibility that makes boards so
powerful, and yet so dangerous to themselves.  We should be thankful
we have a board!

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James Cameron
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team

[Walter Bender]

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> [español abajo]
>
> Good day Sugar Labs members,
>
> As per today's meeting Bert Freudenbergs has declined his Ombudsman
> position on Sugar Labs.
>
> It has been discussed in today's meeting the possibility for Sugar Labs to
> shape a RESPONSE TEAM composed at least 3 Sugar Labs members (Its has
> been suggested at least one female member).
>
> The objective of the RESPONSE TEAM will be to attend and resolve all Code
> of Conduct's requests for the Sugar Labs Community.
>
>
> Please share your comments and if you are interested in be take part of
> this new team.
>

While I am in favor of trying to improve upon our ability as a community to
resolve differences, I have several concerns about the plan to form a
committee:
(1) It is not clear to me that a committee decision would hold any more
weight than the decision of a sole ombudsman. In the most recent (and only
second ever) intervention by the ombudsman, his decision was rejected by
the party that asked for the intervention. How would the proposed change
result in a different outcome?
(2) Bert will be sorely missed and hard to replace. Finding three (or more)
community members with Bert's standing within the community and
impartiality will be difficult. Finding even one will be difficult.

On the plus side, it is certainly easier to build in diversity if we have a
committee rather than a single person.

regards.

-walter

>
> Regards and blessings to all,
>
> [español]
>
> Buenos días miembros de Sugar Labs,
>
> Según la reunión de hoy, Bert Freudenbergs ha declinado su posición de
> Ombudsman en Sugar Labs.
>
> Se ha discutido en la reunión de hoy la posibilidad de que Sugar Labs
> forme un EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA compuesto por al menos 3 miembros de Sugar
> Labs (se ha sugerido al menos un miembro femenino).
>
> El objetivo del EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA será atender y resolver todas las
> solicitudes relacionadas con el Código de Conducta para la Comunidad de
> Sugar Labs.
>
>
> Por favor, comparta sus comentarios y si está interesado en formar parte
> de este nuevo equipo.
>
> Saludos y bendiciones para todos,
>
>
> Laura Victoria
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
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> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
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Walter Bender
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