Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Trisquel image Ready for testing.

[Frederick Grose]

Updated link: https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast

On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 11:01 AM Frederick Grose  wrote:

> Thank you Martin for seeing this through to a solution!
>
> Would you consider simplifying and updating the Trisquel on a Sugar Toast
> page on the Sugar Labs wiki?
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast
> <http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel>
>
> Your efforts will reward many.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 2:04 AM Martin Guy  wrote:
>
>> > First, thanks to all who have made Trisquel On A Stick TOAST a reality
>>
>> Trisquel on a Sugar TOAST.
>>
>> Gnash!
>> ___
>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Trisquel image Ready for testing.

[Frederick Grose]

Thank you Martin for seeing this through to a solution!

Would you consider simplifying and updating the Trisquel on a Sugar Toast
page on the Sugar Labs wiki?
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast


Your efforts will reward many.






On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 2:04 AM Martin Guy  wrote:

> > First, thanks to all who have made Trisquel On A Stick TOAST a reality
>
> Trisquel on a Sugar TOAST.
>
> Gnash!
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29

[Frederick Grose]

See https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2018-d6502e66b8

Updated metacity-3.30.1-2.fc29 was installed into a freshly loaded USB
device with F29-SOAS-x86_64-20181127-Live.iso, a fedora-respin, before
it was booted.

Home View showed as expected.
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:40 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> Here's a fix to try.
>
> In the Terminal activity, paste these three commands one by one;
>
> wget 
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/810/commits/9e7a93afba13470464700673dec6a3f9750cfd34.patch
>
> sudo dnf install -y patch
>
> sudo patch /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalactivity.py 
> < 9e7a93afba13470464700673dec6a3f9750cfd34.patch
>
> Then logout and login again.  The Journal should not appear until you
> ask for it.  You may see a series of rectangles drawn briefly, and Log
> activity should have in shell.log file
>
> WARNING root: Journal premature deiconify by Metacity (RHBZ #1519042), try 
> again.

I had success with this patch.  See
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519042#c16
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] motion for a new mission statement

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> Through a community effort led by Caryl Bigenho, I am making a motion.
>
> Motion: Revise the Sugar Labs mission statement to "Sugar Labs is a
> volunteer-run project whose mission is to reach global learners and
> educators with a collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover,
> create, and reflect in their local language. Sugar Labs distributes these
> tools freely and encourages its users to appropriate them, taking ownership
> and responsibility for their learning."
>

​I think we want the adverb, globally, if at all.   'Global learners' seems
to be a cliche and unnecessarily limits our target audience.   Just what
are global learners?
​

>
> Looking for a second.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Motion To Approve 2017 Sugar Labs Mission Statement

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> Very nice, Walter! Let's just change the motion to reflect your version. 
> Therefore,
> I propose that the following motion be considered at the April SLOB meeting:
>
>
> *_*
>
> *The 2017 Mission Statement for Sugar Labs shall be as follows:*
>
> *Sugar Labs is a volunteer-run project whose mission is to reach ​learners
> and educators​ globally​*
> *​ ​*
> *​with a collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover,
> create, and reflect. Sugar Labs distributes these tools freely and
> encourages its users to appropriate them, taking ownership and
> responsibility for their learning.*
>
> *_*
>

​I believe we want the adverb, globally, for how we reach, rather than the​
adjective, global, that limits the set of learners and educators, some of
whom may value Sugar's strength at being local.

In fact, that seems to be part of our mission:   ...a collection of tools
that enable them to explore, discover, create, and reflect in their local
language.
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] [SoaS] SoaS frustrations & call for proposals

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Tony Anderson 
wrote:

> Consider an potential adopter who wants to try out Sugar. As Caryl knows
> from Scale, an adopter wants to know:
>
> 1 - What are the capabilities of Sugar, what are its strengths, who is
> using it, are there success stories, testimonials from users?
> 2 - How is it supported? If I were to deploy it and needed help, is it
> available?
> 3 - How can I install it on my PC to try it out?
>
> Going to the Sugarlabs website, the first screen features: Activities,
> Wiki, Social Help. The next statement describes Sugar as a collection of
> tools.
> Being persistent, if you scroll down several screens, you get to a block:
> Get Sugar featuring SOAS and Gnu/Linux.
>
> For Sugar on a Stick, I am directed to another page. It starts out well -
> how to make a stick with Windows (but 7). The instructions say to download
> 650MB and burn a CD. At this point the instructions become incoherent. They
> say to mount a 2GB or more stick and then boot from the CD and start
> running Sugar from it using the Terminal activity and su.
>
> Then I am told that a change in Fedora 24 (the adopter is saying 'what's
> that?') requires the use of the command:
>
> sudo dnf install livecd-tools
>
> No potential adopter would persist even to this point.
>
> The other panel claims Sugar is available on most Gnu/Linux distributions.
> The accompanying instructions from the links on this panel are even more
> intimidating and provide evidence of lack of support for Sugar.
>
> In fact, I believe that Ubuntu 16.04 enables yum install of Sugar 0.110.
> This should be featured.
>
> Like Pixel, I would like to see a current Sugar image available for
> download which can be transfered to a usb stick by a single dd command.
> This stick would operate as SOAS but also support installation in an
> available block of hard drive on any amd_64 machine. A second image ideally
> would be installable as a Window application with a supported Windows
> installer (like wubi did). Finally, there should be a Debian image which
> can be copied to an SD card and booted by a Raspberry Pi 3 (and possibly
> 2).
>
> Finally, our hypothetical adopter should find this 'get Sugar' information
> on the main screen, not down six screens.
>
> Tony
>
> On 02/15/2017 11:20 PM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:15:05 +
> From: Caryl Bigenho  
> To: Bert Freudenberg  
> Cc: IAEP SugarLabs  
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] pixel
> Message-ID:
>   
> 
>  
> 
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> +1 for Tony's comment!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Bert Freudenberg 
> mailto:b...@freudenbergs.de> > 
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:35 AM, Tony Anderson 
> mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net> > 
> wrote:
> This is what I hoped Sugarlabs would do:
> https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try- IAEP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 
> 15raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc 
> <https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try-raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc>
>
> Tony
>
> Isn't that exactly what SoaS does?
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation
>
> - Bert -
>
>
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep


​
This discussion started with Tony's reference to PIXEL
<https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try-raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc>,
a live
CD <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD> of the Raspberry Pi OS. That led
to a reference to Sugar on a Stick
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick> and a discussion of its
ease of installation. From there the discussion got split as I addressed
some technical issues on the SoaS mailing list, followed by Caryl giving
some insights on the suitability of SoaS in comparison to Sugarizer
<http://sugarizer.org/>.  Peter responded with more information on the
breadth of technology currently served by SoaS
<https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/>, the Fedora-Sugar Labs spin of
Sugar.

So I've brought both threads together here by cross posting a transcript.


Praise be, Sugarizer has made great steps toward Sugar Labs​' technical
goals <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs#Technical_Goals> and
deserves much greater investment as Caryl suggests.

Yet there remains considerable value in the SoaS variants of Sugar, so
attention is still deserved there to support the needs of another class of
users and learners.

To that end,  I notice that the Fedora 26 proposal subm

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] [UKids] SugarCamp Paris #3 - First schedule version is online - you will love your trip to Paris

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Bastien  wrote:

> Christoph Derndorfer  writes:
>
> > done: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:ChristophD/Events/SugarCamp3
>
> Thanks -- I'll forward this to all OLPC France members and we will
> built on it.  Thanks for bootstrapping this!
>
> --
>  Bastien
>

This has been m
ainlined to
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Events/SugarCamp3

with redirects from the old address location.
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] How can I Install Sugar on a Stick on a USB

[Frederick Grose]

On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Walter Bender wrote:

> https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator
>
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Steve Thomas 
> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > So I went to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick and
> downloaded
> > the ISO file, but it is unclear (to me at least) how to prepare the "live
> > USB" for booting.
>

Live USB Creator will not create a separate home.img filesystem for /home.
 This means saved Activities will consume the not-so-recoverable overlay
storage.  See
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/LiveOS_image
for more complete information and advice.

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Sugar Labs wiki login was: [Systems] lost wiki password

[Frederick Grose]

Notice:

If you need to reset your wiki password, please follow the

'Forgotten your login details?'  link on the login page,

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:UserLogin

It will take you to the Reset password page, which will request your
Username and
send a temporary password to your email.

(Note: The 'E-mail new password' button may have a corrupted label with
words included like, , which
are artifacts of some anti-spam software we are using.  The button
functions correctly.)


If you have used a Sugar Labs server account to log in to the wiki, that
feature has been disabled, because the LDAP Authentication extension was
interfering with the Password Reset facility.

OpenID logins should not be affected by these changes.

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Wiki editing

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Ron Feigenblatt  wrote:

> On 2/2/13, Chris Leonard  wrote:
> >... Please just make the changes you think need to be made, that is why we
> > keep information on a wiki, so that anyone can contribute to improving
> > it's quality or discoverability.
>
> Chris, are you the "wikimaster"? I can't seem to use the wiki to find
> out who is! Going to the home page of the wiki or to the
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team page does NOT help.
>
> Some years back I used Wikispaces for several wikis. As its wiki
> system model evolved, the administrator of a wiki gained the power to
> lock out changes on a page-by-page basis (and maybe even to delegate
> such powers to chosen sub-administrators?) Is that possible within the
> MediaWiki system we use here at Sugar Labs?
>
> The reason I ask is that just the other day, Sean Daly, leader of the
> Marketing Team, lamented as follows (cf.
> http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2013-02-01#i_2768391 )
> "last time i tried to make a wiki page more readable for teachers, a
> community member wiped out all my edits, after 3 days i gave up was
> very disheartening"
>

Be assured that all changes saved in a wiki can be recovered from the 'View
history' tab for a page.

While one is reconstructing an existing page, it is often best to copy it
to a separate page as content details are worked out.  Open discussion (on
the associated 'Discussion' page) with other interested authors will
generally lead to improvements.

Thank you for  your contributions!

   --Frederick Grose, wiki team coordinator
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] ICT4D: planning

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Christophe Guéret wrote:


> {...}


>
I know there are these pages with some ideas on it, which I guess I derived
> from some needs:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Educational_activity_ideas
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_ideas
> Is there more resources we should keep an eye on?
>

See also
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Project_Ideas
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2012
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Ideas_for_Projects
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Idea

 --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap?

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Bert Freudenberg 
> wrote:
> > On 2012-06-13, at 07:50, Steven Thompson wrote:
> >
> >> Even just in English in Japan could help kids. The common denomenator
> for jhs and hs kids is an iPhone or android and the iPad at home...much
> more so than buying an Intel Classmate or having a hope of getting an XO.
> >
> > Sugar can be installed on any PC, not just Classmates or XOs.
> >
> >> It's not about price or energy requirements here, its about good
> education for kids.
> >>
> >> Can we get sugar as a Mac Ap at the Ap Store?
> >
> > I think Sugar-on-a-Stick (SoaS) can be plugged into recent Macs and
> works.
>
> You've always been able to plug SoaS into x86 Macs and have it work
> (just like any Linux distro), the latest version adds much better
> support for it and there's been specific interest in making it work
> properly with uEFI and all the Mac quirks.
>
> It's quite easy to use SoaS on a usb key on Macs and with something
> like VirtualBox you can run Sugar in a Window on Mac without too many
> issues.
>
> Sugar as an App on Mac is an interesting concept and with improving
> Mac support within GTK3 something like the Sugar in a Window concept
> we use for testing is quite conceivable once the Sugar port to GTK3 is
> complete, of course like everything it needs someone to step up and do
> the work.
>
> Peter


In the spirit of exploring interesting concepts that might stimulate new
development, might someone explain the obstacles that prevent Sugar from
running on an iPad, as well, discuss potential approaches to overcome those
obstacles.

For example, Etoys, an independent but significant component in Sugar, can
be run on an iPad since June 2010,
http://croquetweak.blogspot.com/2010/06/squeak-etoys-on-ipad.html
http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/ipad/

Also with time, the current crop of iPads will become secondary devices as
newer tablets are released.  Folks will then be more willing to
void warranties and experiment with the operating systems.

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Code of Conduct

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Bernie Innocenti 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 23:59 -0700, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> >> Ubuntu is refreshing its Code of Conduct:
> >>
> >>
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sabdfl/ubuntu-codeofconduct/v2-draft/view/head:/MergedCodeOfConduct.txt
> >>
> >> Although I've never participated much in the Ubuntu community, I've
> >> always thought of this document as one the best of its kind.
> >>
> >> Should we publish a similar code of conduct on our wiki? It could be as
> >> simple as copying this text to a wiki page, with minor edits such as
> >> replacing all occurrences of "Ubuntu" with "Sugar Labs".
> >>
> >> Ubuntu requires e-signing the Code of Conduct upon becoming a Ubuntero,
> >> a status that enables users to build and distribute custom packages on
> >> Launchpad. Since the CC isn't written as a contract, I think it would be
> >> enough to ask our members to at least read it.
> >
> > Not sure if silent assent, or nobody really cares enough to respond.
>
> Was going to raise it at next week's SLOB's meeting.
>
> -walter
>
> >
> > So I'll go ahead under the optimistic assumption that nobody is strongly
> > opposed to this idea and add a draft of our CC to the wiki.
> >
> > --
> >  _ // Bernie Innocenti
> >  \X/  http://codewiz.org
> >
> >
> > ___
> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org


We currently have these principles in the wiki:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs#Principles

See also, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Policy

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Fwd: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Revisiting Read Activity default font

[Frederick Grose]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Manuel Quiñones 
Date: 2012/4/26
Subject: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Revisiting Read Activity default font
To: Sugar-dev Devel 
Cc: dcrossl...@google.com, Guillermo Espertino 


Hi list,

I will try to wrap an interesting discussion that has arisen today on
IRC.  We talked about a better default font for our e-book reader,
Read activity, and the possibility to add a new feature to change that
font (in the activity itself or as a system setting).  Obviously not
for landing in this cycle, we have a lot of pending things to do, but
would be nice to keep trac on this if there is some consensus.

I'm cc'ing Guillermo Espertino, professional free software designer,
and Dave Crossland, font consultor at Google Webfonts, who also
participated.  Please answer to all because they may not be in
sugar-devel mailing list.

So, the current default is DejaVu LGC Serif.  HoboPrimate suggested
Century Schoolbook L as a better font.  Guillermo said to me that
Gentium Book would be the ideal.

But Gonzalo, current Read maintainer, said that he has intentions to
move to Sans.  Now I understand that Serif fonts are being used in
books more because of historical reasons, and that we should think
what would be better for children.  He also pointed that teachers ask
for a hand-writting font, and that there are special fonts designed
for dyslexic people.

Finally, Dave pointed us to http://kidstype.org and the Fabula
typeface.  Looks interesting indeed.

--
.. manuq ..
___
Sugar-devel mailing list
sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Systems] Mediawiki 1.18.1 on wiki.sugarlabs.org

[Frederick Grose]

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote:

> At long last, I've upgraded our production Wiki to MW 1.18.1 and enabled
> the TimedMediaHandler extension.
>
> I'm still not convinced about the WikiEditor. Please test it in the
> wiki-devel and report back.
>

This bug,
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22428#c27
also discussed here,
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/private/systems/2011-May/002995.html

seems to be fixed in wiki-devel
http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/go/Sandbox2
 (testing with XO-1.75 in Browse).

--Fred


>
> On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 18:36 -0500, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've upgraded our development wiki to the latest svn snapshot of
> > Mediawiki 1.18. You can admire it here:
> >
> >   http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org
> >
> > Additionally, I've enabled the following extensions for testing:
> >
> >  - TimedMediaHandler: allows uploading videos in the wiki and
> >playing them on any HTML5-enabled browser. Demo here:
> >   http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/go/Sandbox
> >
> >  - LdapAuthentication: allows logging in using the ldap
> >username and password (in addition to OpenID and mediawiki users)
> >
> >  - WikiEditor: ajax page editor with some nice features. Earlier
> >versions used to break cut & paste on various browsers.
> >
> > Please test it a little. If I don't hear complains, I'll proceed to
> > upgrade the production wiki and all the Local Labs wikis.
>
> --
>  _ // Bernie Innocenti
>  \X/  http://codewiz.org
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Fwd: [etoys-dev] sixteen items for Squeaklamd 2012

[Frederick Grose]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Steve Thomas 
Date: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [etoys-dev] sixteen items for Squeaklamd 2012
To: lengli...@cox.net
Cc: etoys-...@squeakland.org


On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Lawson English  wrote:

> On 1/24/12 10:17 PM, Scott Wallace wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> 15. A Rosetta Stone like (visual display of speech, graph) to help kids
>> learn language and pronunciation).
>>
>>  If done properly, this would make etoys attractive to adults, also.
>
> Yes and combined with something like http://wikiotics.org/en/Introduction
we could easily build a framework where they could develop their own
language learning tools to preserve their existing languages and help them
learn new ones.

Stephen

Forwarding an interesting link...

--Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] 2 new tutorials: Liveinst from f16 Soas and f16 Netinstall Sugar-desktop only

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Thomas C Gilliard <
satel...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:

> Hi;
>
> I just composed 2 tutorials - annotated screen-shots of f16 Sugar installs:
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Sugar_Creation_Kit#F16_Sugar_**
> Install_from_a_Booted_Live_CD_**with_liveinst
>

updated link:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/liveinst

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#f16_Sugar-Desktop_Install_with_a_netinstall_CD
>

updated link:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/netinstall

I hope that these will help you.
>
> Tom Gilliard
> satellit_ sigar on IRC
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Testing] I would like feedback on the "How_to_use_the_IRC_Application" wiki page

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Thomas C Gilliard <
satel...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:

> I just wrote this wiki page:
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Sugar_Creation_Kit#How_to_use_**
> the_IRC_Application


corrected link:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/How_to_use_IRC

   (Annotated screen shots that show you how to use the IRC application)
>
> My question:
> Is this a useful way to build guides for beginners?
>
> Also these pages: (English and Spanish)
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Sugar_Creation_Kit#**
> Introduction_to_the_Sugar_**Interface
>  (3 linked wiki pages of Annotated Screen-shots )
>
> I think as "it is a wiki" these provide a way for users to participate in
> updating in these guides.
>
> I would like feedback on this project.
>
> Cordially;
>
> Tom Gilliard
> satellit_ on #sugar IRC
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] New: Linked wiki pages with annotated screen-shots of Sugar

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Thomas C Gilliard <
satel...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:

> **
> Take a look at these 3 new linked; annotated; screen-shot filled wiki
> pages:
> Sugar Creation Kit/sck/Introduction to Sugar 
> Interface
> ,
> Sugar Creation Kit/sck/Connecting to the 
> Internet
> ,
> Sugar Creation 
> Kit/sck/Drag-Drop;
> I hope that this format is useful
>
> "the wiki can provide a good collaboration space for documentation." FGrose
>
> Tom Gilliard
> satellit_
>

There is also a discussion of the 'Get started' pages here,

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User_talk:Inkyfingers/Getting_Started(1)

that might be of interest to those working on the XO/Sugar Manual/Help
Activity refresh.
http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg12528.html

 --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Navigation bar at top of wiki pages

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:42 PM, John Wilson  wrote:

> Hello Mr. Grose,
>
> I am John Wilson, a student at Oakland University.  My class is involved
> in a project named "OWL Jr.", in collaboration with Sugar Labs, and we have
> created our own page on Sugar Labs' wiki.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Owl_Jr._Project

> Mr. Tierney had recommended that I contact you, because I had wanted to
> know how to add the navigation bar (with links such as "contact" and "get
> involved") to the top of my page.  It seems that I can't find any info on
> how to add it in the "editing pages" section.  Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
> John
>

*Welcome to Sugar Labs, and thanks for your contributions!

*I've responded on your talk page,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User_talk:Owl_Jr._Project

Best wishes, --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Getting started

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Frederick Grose  wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Iain Brown Douglas <
> i...@browndouglas.plus.com> wrote:
>
>> I invite you to review and edit my contribution ...
>>
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Inkyfingers/Getting_Started%280%29
>>
>> My starting point:
>>
>> 1. Target audience. Experimentally minded non technical
>> individual/family with no previous linux experience. Viewable on any
>> browser.
>>
>> 2. I am still uncertain about the <- Linked pages -> format I have used.
>>My objective was to improve orientation.
>>
>> 3. I well recognise that if adopted this contribution would increase
>> duplication.
>>
>> Is there an existing road map for improving entry level material on the
>> wiki?
>>
>> 4. How to improve intermediate level presentation?
>>a) the page could move on to intermediate level topics, such as
>> listed
>> below.
>>b) "Getting started" could be limited to Sugar_on_a_Stick?
>>
>> 5. How to deal with intermediate level and avoid duplication on the
>> wiki.
>>For instance,
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems
>>
>>(a page I have so far excluded) starts ok ... is there a mechanism
>> to archive and regenerate pages?
>>
>
> The wiki inherently maintains an archive visible on the 'View history' tab
> of any page. Any historical version can be visited (or even linked to) by
> following (or copying) the time-dated link. Any content from the past can
> be copied (after clicking the edit tab) to new content or, if the
> historical page is saved, that version becomes the current version.
>
> When an historical page is edited, this warning appears, "*Warning: You
> are editing an out-of-date revision of this page.* If you save it, any
> changes made since this revision will be lost."
> The later statement about losing changes only applies to the content of
> the new page; all the changes are still available in the page history.
>

I've updated the system message to the following:
*Warning: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page.* If you
save it, any changes made since this revision will not be in the final page.


> No one should worry about causing irrecoverable loss of content or format
> through their efforts to improve the wiki.
>
>  --Fred
>
>
>>
>> Example of intermediate level topics.
>>
>> Cannot boot from USB - detail of a CD bootimage and have USB rootfs, or
>> run from CD, using a USB for storage.
>>
>> Link to Fedora hard drive install.
>>
>> Anaconda, liveinst to USB. Is this a superior method?
>>
>> Regards.
>> Iain, aka inkyfingers
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Getting started

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Iain Brown Douglas <
i...@browndouglas.plus.com> wrote:

> I invite you to review and edit my contribution ...
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Inkyfingers/Getting_Started%280%29
>
> My starting point:
>
> 1. Target audience. Experimentally minded non technical
> individual/family with no previous linux experience. Viewable on any
> browser.
>
> 2. I am still uncertain about the <- Linked pages -> format I have used.
>My objective was to improve orientation.
>
> 3. I well recognise that if adopted this contribution would increase
> duplication.
>
> Is there an existing road map for improving entry level material on the
> wiki?
>
> 4. How to improve intermediate level presentation?
>a) the page could move on to intermediate level topics, such as
> listed
> below.
>b) "Getting started" could be limited to Sugar_on_a_Stick?
>
> 5. How to deal with intermediate level and avoid duplication on the
> wiki.
>For instance,
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems
>
>(a page I have so far excluded) starts ok ... is there a mechanism
> to archive and regenerate pages?
>

The wiki inherently maintains an archive visible on the 'View history' tab
of any page. Any historical version can be visited (or even linked to) by
following (or copying) the time-dated link. Any content from the past can
be copied (after clicking the edit tab) to new content or, if the
historical page is saved, that version becomes the current version.

When an historical page is edited, this warning appears, "*Warning: You are
editing an out-of-date revision of this page.* If you save it, any changes
made since this revision will be lost."
The later statement about losing changes only applies to the content of the
new page; all the changes are still available in the page history.

No one should worry about causing irrecoverable loss of content or format
through their efforts to improve the wiki.

 --Fred


>
> Example of intermediate level topics.
>
> Cannot boot from USB - detail of a CD bootimage and have USB rootfs, or
> run from CD, using a USB for storage.
>
> Link to Fedora hard drive install.
>
> Anaconda, liveinst to USB. Is this a superior method?
>
> Regards.
> Iain, aka inkyfingers
>
>
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] The Science Prize for Online Resources in Education (SPORE)

[Frederick Grose]

>
> The *Science* Prize for Online Resources in Education (SPORE) has been
> established to encourage innovation and excellence in education, as well as
> to encourage the use of high-quality on-line resources by students,
> teachers, and the public. Essays from the SPORE winners are published each
> month in *Science*, and are collected here.


http://www.sciencemag.org/site/special/spore/
(A link has been added to the nascent page http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Science
.)

The latest essay addresses data accessibility:

 29 September 2011:
Making Earth Science Data Accessible and Usable in
Education
 [image: >] Tamara Shapiro Ledley, LuAnn Dahlman, Carla McAuliffe, Nick
Haddad, Michael R. Taber, Ben Domenico, Susan Lynds, Marian Grogan
The Earth Exploration Toolbook provides instructions on accessing and
analyzing Earth science data to explore scientific concepts and issues.
http://serc.carleton.edu/eet
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Labyrinth - Maze

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:

> I think we should request Gary if is possible change the name to MentalMaps
> When he wakeup :)
>
> Gonzalo
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Chris Leonard 
> wrote:
>
>> {...}

>>>

>  What I am suggesting is that something like "MapasMentales" could be
 used.  Not very true to the author's string, but nonetheless a meaningful
 name to the user for an activity that is essentially a mind mapping tool
 (and not a labyrinth at all)

 That would work :).
>>>
>> {...}


There is a guideline for Activity naming,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/Activities#Naming_Activities

Mental Maps might suit as 'Mind Map'.

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] How can we help kids get into the habits of looking for all possible causes and counter examples to problems?

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:58 AM,  wrote:

>  *>On 02/10/2011 09:07 a.m., Maria Droujkova wrote:
> >...I have never had to do anything with REASONS for seasons or phases of
> the moon, outside of curriculum design. Have you?*
>
> ---
>
> One reason to think about  phases of the moon on our normal life is the
> fact that people on the north hemisphere see the moon "upsidedown".  Or the
> opposite: people on the southern hemisphere see the moon "upsidedown".
>
> We can use that knowledge on our normal life: On the calendar we can see
> the icons of phases of the mooon, but those icons were designed by northern
> people, with  the crescent moon like a "D" and the Waning Moon like a "C",
> but in the southern hemisphere is the opposite, crescent moon is a "C" and
> waning moon is a "D". (the people that designs calendar on the south repeat
> like parrots the things that northern people designs, so they draw the moon
> in the opposite way)
>
> In northern hemisphere the mooon is liar, because she is a "C" when she is
> "de-crescent", and she is a "D" when she is Crescent, but here on the south
> the moon tell us the truth.
>
> -
>
> For example: a child in Uruguay could take a picture of the moon and send
> to a child in Canada,  the same day, so they can compare that fact. and
> maybe another child on the equator  can send another picture that shows the
> moon on the middle, like an "U".
>

This suggests that in Gary Martin's Moon activity,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Moon
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/sugar/addon/4034

the hemisphere toggle control should instead control rotation of the view
between the north and south extremes.

That might help you if you wake up in a strange land and need clues to  your
location.

{...}
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Universe Awareness, astronomy education & outreach for young children

[Frederick Grose]

http://www.unawe.org/

"Since 2005, UNAWE has grown to involve more than 500 volunteers,
organizations, and governments in 40 countries. UNAWE grew most during the
International Year of Astronomy (IYA) in 2009 and is now an important
ingredient of the International Astronomical Union's decadal development
strategy (*1* ).
"

"Educational resources, generously contributed by the network of volunteers
to UNAWE, have been collected and published (www.unawe.org/). Many UNAWE
members have contributed translations, which are then featured on the site.
Quality control comes through an automatic peer adoption process. The
resources are checked for scientific accuracy by qualified astronomers
before they are posted online, where the most useful resources naturally
become the most used resources."

from
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/333/6046/1106.full

Perhaps Sugar Labs could collaborate, beginning with our Moon,
StarChart, & Telescope
activities.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Moon
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/StarChart
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4481 XoScope/Telescope
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Fwd: [ANNC] pynguin-0.12 (fixes problems running on Windows)

[Frederick Grose]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Lee Harr 
Date: 2011/9/21
Subject: [ANNC] pynguin-0.12 (fixes problems running on Windows)
To: python-l...@python.org, edu-...@python.org



Pynguin is a python-based turtle graphics application.
It combines an editor, interactive interpreter, and
graphics display area.

It is meant to be an easy environment for introducing
some programming concepts to beginning programmers.


http://pynguin.googlecode.com/


This release fixes problems which prevented the program
from working properly on Windows systems.


Pynguin is tested with Python 2.7.1 and PyQt 4.8.3 and
will use Pygments syntax highlighting if available.

Pynguin is released under GPLv3.


Changes in pynguin-0.12:
Important fixes
- Fixed menu items and dialogs not working on Windows
- Fixed error on Windows when trying to write backup files

Pynguin API
- bgcolor()
- raise exception if using color component outside of 0-255
- make util.nudge_color() API match util.choose_color()

Canvas
- allow setting background color
- fix custom svg avatars to allow any size avatar

Integrated Editor
- comment / uncomment line / region

Integrated Console
- added command to clear history
- clears line before writing commands selected in menu

Examples
- added fractals example file


--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Some new ideas and suits for the turtle/s...

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Need Wiki Help!

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

>  Hi Folks,
>
> I am working on some Grannie's Guides for the wiki and need to know how to
> make the little blue boxes with dotted lines around them that have the test
> written in something that resembles what you will see in Terminal.  I think
> it may be the Courier typeface.
>
> I have hunted around for instructions for doing this and have even tried
> copying the format some other pages have used it, but so far haven't cracked
> the code.  Can someone give me a link or two that will tell me how to do it?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Caryl
>

Please see this guide section,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Guide/Formatting#Code_Examples
and feel free to modify it to make it clearer.

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] team updates

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

> At the last Sugar Labs oversight board meeting [1], we discussed the
> need to update the status of the various teams and local labs.


See
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap

Perhaps other teams could also update their Roadmap pages,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Roadmap

(Remember, only insiders will catch updates from the mailing lists,
but newcomers will search wiki pages for more consolidated information.)

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Activities needing packaging?

[Frederick Grose]

Forwarded conversation
Subject: [SoaS] want to contribute to Sugar on a Stick - introducing myself


From: *Kalpa Welivitigoda* 
Date: Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:03 AM
To: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org


Hi,

I am Kalpa Welivitigoda from Sri Lanka.

I was searching for a FOSS project to contribute on and I came across
Sugar on a Stick through OpenHatch.

I am involved in Fedora Project [1] , Mozilla Firefox and have
contributed in lokalizing  some of the other projects including
OpenOffice, pidgin, GNOME etc. Apart from them I am active on Hanthana
Linux [2], a local project. Hanthana is a remix of Fedora. I attend
FOSS related events and talk about FOSS to make the public aware. I
currently write to two local e-magazines (FOSS User [3] and Hanthana+,
yet to be released.)

In technical aspects, I am familiar with java and python and uses
Fedora as my primary and only OS. In Sugar on a Stick I hope to make
use of my python knowledge and learn more on python. I also wish to
package applications and actually I have done one related to fedora
Sound SIG [4]. But it is not upstream yet since there are some more
sound tracks to be added. I wish to learn further on packaging also.

So at the moment the ways I can contribute to Sugar on a Stick will be with;
1) testing
2) fixing bugs or adding new features to existing activities (depend
on the level of python expertise needed)
3) packaging activities for fedora

I am reading for my BSc of Eng degree major in Electrical Engineering
and I wish to contribute to FOSS in my leisure time.

My irc nickname is callkalpa

Please help me get started!

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Callkalpa
[2] http://www.hanthana.org
[3] http://www.fossuser.lk
[4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Sound

--
Best Regards,

Kalpa Pathum Welivitigoda
http://about.me/callkalpa
___
SoaS mailing list
s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas

--
From: *Frederick Grose* 
Date: Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:41 PM
To: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org


Welcome Kalpa!

The Sugar on a Stick project,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick, truly
needs new contributors.

Peter Robinson, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pbrobinson, is the lead
contributor.
See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Sugar_0.94.

He is very busy with packaging support, and seems now to be in the critical
path for the new OLPC XO-1.75 ARM builds,
http://www.mail-archive.com/devel@lists.laptop.org/msg27817.html.

He will likely respond with ways you might assist.

Thomas Gilliard, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Satellit, is an active
tester. See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Fedora-SoaS
.

I, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:FGrose, have been working on Sugar
Clone,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Sugar_Clone

Sebastian Sziallas, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sdz, and Mel Chua,
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mchua, have moved on to other projects.

Packaging Sugar Activities, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sugar_Activities,
in Fedora is one need.  Mel and Sebastian prepared a classroom last year,
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom/Packaging_Sugar_Activities, to
help.

Sugar also has a rich set of Activities for music and sound processing,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Tam_Tam.

Art Hunkins, http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/user/652, is active
developing a new SamplePlay Activity,
http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg22396.html

You might also collaborate with David
Schönstein<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Dschonstein>,
who prepared,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Sound
a while back.

I hope you find some ways to contribute, even by asking more questions.

 Best wishes,  --Fred




--
From: *Kalpa Welivitigoda* 
Date: Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:36 AM
To: Frederick Grose 
Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org


Thanks a lot Fredrick for your informative reply.
I'll go through the class logs on packing sugar activities for Fedora
and hope to contribute by packaging the activities that are not yet
packaged.


--

--
From: *Thomas C Gilliard* 
Date: Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:00 AM
To: callka...@gmail.com
Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions ,
Frederick Grose 


**
Hi;
Also look at :
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Floss_Manuals

> http://www.archive.org/details/MakeYourOwnSugarActivities

http://en.flossmanuals.net/

Thanks for helping...

Tom Gilliard
satellit_on #sugar freenode IRC

--
From: *Kalpa Welivitigoda* 
Date: Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:19 AM
To: Thomas C Gilliard 
Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions ,
Frederick Grose 


Thanks Thomas for the links. It's better that the Making Own Sugar
Activities guide is also in epub so that I can read it on my nook :-)

I finished going through the class ro

Re: [IAEP] Alternative 'favorites view' as an intro to programming

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Christopher Lindgren <
chris.lindg...@my.ndsu.edu> wrote:

>  {...}
>
I thought that the favorites view modification would be a fun way to show
> them how there is code underneath this GUI, and you can change the code to
> change the WYSIWYG.
>
> {...}
>
> Chris Lindgren | fargoxo.wordpress.com
>

Consider this resource:
http://en.flossmanuals.net/sugar/ch032_develop-sugar/

(The patience to achieve the necessary coding precision is a valuable
lesson.)

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Concrete feedback

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:56 PM,  wrote:

> *{...}
> *
>


** *Concrete Feedback:*
>
> The journal is always full of garbage, hundreds of empty entries:  *is
> there a possibility to "CLEAN" the JOurnal?,*
>

>From the Journal item's detail view there is an 'Erase' (minus sign) button
in the toolbar.  Clicking this button will clean out that Journal entry.

{...}
>
> Paolo Benini
> Montevideo
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

>  Hi Peter,
>
> PCs and Linux machines yes. But... there still lots of issues with Macs and
> so far it does not work with the older G4 Power PC Macs (EToys to go does!).
>
> Caryl
>

See
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu/PPC
It's feasible, but not yet practical.

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] S050 - Informática para Tontos / E050 - Computer Science for Dummies

[Frederick Grose]

On 4/8/11, Carlos Rabassa  wrote:
> S050 - Informática para Tontos
> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1FVJC2Ij4Vsub_3RJBu9HIhf6qRqdQVbq1WZrvebm7-c
>
> E050 - Computer Science for Dummies
> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=131-kPidBmlTFE14DvSkYFGzNWlWD1KjY0lsAW673vag
>
> Carlos Rabassa
> Voluntario
> Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
> Montevideo, Uruguay

See  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Boot

Clarifications and other improvements are welcome.

--Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Possible ARM based alternative to the XO?

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:33 AM, William Schaub wrote:

> I recently purchased a Genesi Efika MX smartbook (
> https://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook) and so far I'm very
> impressed with it.
> it only costs about $199 before shipping and it seems to have enough power
> to outdo the XO-1 laptops that I have.
>
> what do you think about the possibility of using the Efika as a readily
> available alternative to the XO?
> we might even be able to get it in a more ruggedized form if we are lucky.
>
> I have made an sd card image that boots directly into a sugar desktop on
> the Efika MX if anyone is interested and already has the hardware
> once the kernel gets bumped past 2.6.31 I would like to try getting 802.11s
> working on it to see if I can make it talk to my other two XO-1s.
>
> if you are interested I will post a link to the sd card image.
>

Yes, please share your good efforts with a reference and link in our
Supported Systems page,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems

Interested parties may discover the information there if they aren't
searching the mailing list.

 --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] OER Glue online event Wednesday, March 30th at 9:30pm ET

[Frederick Grose]

Note: This is 30 March 2011.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Maria Droujkova wrote:

> Join Joel Duffin and Justin Ball, creators of the OER Glue 
> platform,
> in discussing the latest in open course design architecture.
>
> *How to join*
>
>- Follow this link at the time of the event: *
>
> http://tinyurl.com/math20event
>*
>- Wednesday, March 30th 2011 we will meet in the LearnCentral online
>room at 6:30pm Pacific, 9:30pm Eastern time. WorldClock for your time
>
> zone.
>- Click "OK" and "Accept" several times as your browser installs the
>software. When you see Elluminate Session Log-In, enter your name and click
>the "Login" button
>- If this is your first time, come a few minutes earlier to check out
>the technology. The room opens half an hour before the event.
>
>
> All events in the Math 2.0 weekly series:
> http://mathfuture.wikispaces.com/events
>
> About OER Glue
> [image: external image chalkboard.jpg]
>
> OER Glue is a *uniquely open approach* to online learning that lets
> content be used where it already resides rather than requiring it to be
> copied into a new system. OER Glue can be used to *efficiently assemble
> courses* and teach online by “glueing together” open education resources
> (OERs) and integrating with popular online services including Google
> Documents, Blogs, Facebook, Twitter, and discussion and assessment tools.
> OER Glue’s web browser add-on approach allows it to wrap context and
> navigation tools around online content and to *integrate content and
> services from multiple sources in a coherent manner*. In order to ensure
> that resources remain available, OER Glue integrates with services such as
> internet archive. The following scenarios describe the experience of using
> OER Glue:
> Student Use of OER Glue | 
> Teacher
> Use of OER Glue 
>
> Key aspects of OER Glue are:
>
>- *Student engagement* – OER Glue increases student engagement and
>satisfaction by supporting online instruction that utilizes timely,
>authentic content and popular Web 2.0 tools.
>- *Instructional effectiveness* – OER Glue supports effective
>instruction by helping teachers find and develop learning activities and
>assessments that are aligned with their instructional goals.
>- *Teacher efficiency* – OER Glue helps teachers efficiently assemble,
>deliver, and update online courses.
>- *OER* – OER Glue helps authors easily find and adapt relevant high
>quality free online resources for their courses.
>- *Glue* – People are frustrated with the poor user experience of
>existing systems that require you to copy your content into them, but
>enthusiastic about the new Web 2.0 tools that continue to emerge. OER Glue
>lets you use content where it already is and to easily integrate third 
> party
>tools in a coherent manner to teach online.
>
>
>
> Event Hosts
> [image: Joel_Duffin.jpg][image: justinball.jpg]*Joel Duffin*, CEO of OER
> Glue, is a entrepreneur and software developer with a love for designing
> software and understanding how people learn. Joel enjoys scheming about how
> to design and leverage software systems and online content to encourage
> youth to engage in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. Joel
> blogs  about technology and STEM education.
>  *Justin Ball*, CTO of OER Glue, is an entrepreneur with several
> successful startups and one major failure under his belt. He became involved
> in the OER space under the direction of David Wiley at OSLO and then COSL
> and participated in the construction of the various projects generated
> there. He used to write C++ and .Net then moved to python and finally found
> Ruby. In the rare moments when he isn't writing code, talking about code or
> measuring his code productivity in profanity per hour, you can find him on
> his bike in the mountains or on the roads surrounding Cache Valley. Justin
> can be found pontificating at http://www.justinball.com
>
>
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Any olpc/Sugar/ICT4E people in Spain?

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:02 AM, David Van Assche wrote:

> In spain, most autonomous regions have their own distro, which means
> that in essence getting pro-linux, and even quite techinically savy
> folks in that domain should be pretty easy to find. I know Madrid
> itself has its own autonomous linux distro called distro MAX (Madrid
> Linux) Of course, it often becomes a marketing competition rather than
> something else, but it does mean a high usage of linux across the
> public board. Trying to get them to include "new" things though, is
> sometimes very very hard (example: sugar)
>

Note that Trisquel, and Trisquel On A Sugar Toast,
http://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-sugar
have been leaders in Sugar distribution.
http://trisquel.info/en/faq

 --Fred


> But good luck,
> David Van Assche
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [fonc] English language literacy software?

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Michael FIG  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This is tangentially related to the broad ideas of computer and
> mathematics literacy that Alan has, and so I would like to ask the list
> for your opinions and advice.  (If you have things to share that are not
> related to computing, please reply to me privately.)
>
> My wife, Susana, works at an agency that helps immigrant families from
> all over the world settle in Canada.  They are currently looking for
> software or online resources to help improve literacy for youth (and
> possibly younger children), sometimes teaching EAL (English as an
> Additional Language) from square one.
>
> Susana and I saw some connection with VPRI, as at least some of the
> children have little past exposure to computers, and that literacy is
> not about a specific language, but about solidifying new knowledge with
> experimentation and creative expression.  I've admired Kim's handbook
> that guides math learners through Squeak-based experiments.  Is there an
> approach embracing this model (computer as an empty world for performing
> experiments, not as a multiple-choice quiz automator) with exercises
> involving language?
>
> To give some political context, the conventional advice currently on the
> table is to license Rosetta Stone for children.  Do you see better
> alternatives?  Does this belong in the scope of FONC?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Michael FIG  //\
>   http://michael.fig.org/\//
>
> ___
> fonc mailing list
> f...@vpri.org
> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
>

Forwarding this to 'It's an Education Project', Sugar Labs general mailing
list, as this topic naturally arises among this community.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki

There are also some interesting links in the OLPC, One Laptop per Child,
wiki, such as,
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Language_Learning

--Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Tour of Uruguay / Vuelta Ciclista del Uruguay

[Frederick Grose]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Frederick Grose  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Carlos Rabassa  wrote:
>
>> English text follows after Spanish
>>
>> Acabamos de revisar y completar los dos artículos que ofrecimos en
>> respuesta a la reciente solicitud de ideas para celebrar la próxima Vuelta
>> Ciclista del Uruguay / Tour of Uruguay:
>>
>> S042 - Entendiendo la Bicicleta
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1T3GCDPTim8S84WqPq-wYb8Gc_UOzshADn237cm-IHzE
>>
>> S043 - Entendiendo el Cuerpo del Ciclista
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=14wg7c71iQkGJs2QrldQ75fS5DZCTjhCLPP4vRgrWFgQ
>>
>> English text:
>>
>> We have just completed an updated the two articles we offered in response
>> to the recent request for ideas to celebrate the forthcoming Tour of Uruguay
>> / Vuelta Ciclista del Uruguay.
>>
>> E042 - Understanding the Bicycle
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=19Dug-0DCk2520Fsx0hl-dzZDJp3cWVDWBDL-ik1Js14
>>
>> E043 - Understanding the Cyclist’s Body
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1v7oJJ0KEcmJ5cNpOokoxw0HgbWmu3ZOxX3QXNVpIBRs
>>
>> Carlos Rabassa
>> Voluntario
>> Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
>> Montevideo, Uruguay
>>
>
> Here is an interesting reverence:
>
> A 'Perspectives' Psychology, article in SCIENCE (magazine), *Science
> Starts Early*, by Frank C. Keil,
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6020/1022.summary
> <http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6020/1022.summary>(full article
> requires membership).
> The follow-on sentence to the teaser in the summary is,
>
> "Evidence is mounting, however, that young children are often quite adept
> at uncovering statistical and causal patterns and that many foundations of
> scientific thought are built impressively early in our lives."
>
> One example given is about the digestive system:
>
> "For example, while being completely ignorant about the biological details,
> most preschoolers do know that food gets transformed after it enters the
> body and that the transformed version is critical for helping the body to
> grow and to move [1]."
>
> The article goes on to discuss
>
> "...certain broad intuitions and expectations about plausible and
> implausible patterns."  One relates to an "essentialist bias": the idea that
> something you can't see (e.g., "microstructural stuff") causes what you can
> see ... and is the essence of the thing being observed."
>
> that may apply for inferences drawn from patterns of covariance for
> biological phenomena but not for physical phenomena.
>
> [1] K. Inagaki, G. Hatano, *Curr. Dir. Psychol. Sci.* *15*, 177 (2006)
>
> 
>
> Second comment:
> The word 'dirty' has many negative connotations in English and may not be
> suitable as applied to the blood leaving the Tissues compartment. Perhaps
> 'waste-bearing' and 'purified' blood would match the sophistication of
> 'oxygenated'.  'Fresh' air -> 'exhaled' air might also match this level of
> sophistication.
>
> In this context, the diagram might be labeled, 'Material flow diagram of
> the human body'.
>
> 
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
>--Fred
>

http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
may also be of interest.
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Tour of Uruguay / Vuelta Ciclista del Uruguay

[Frederick Grose]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Carlos Rabassa  wrote:

> English text follows after Spanish
>
> Acabamos de revisar y completar los dos artículos que ofrecimos en
> respuesta a la reciente solicitud de ideas para celebrar la próxima Vuelta
> Ciclista del Uruguay / Tour of Uruguay:
>
> S042 - Entendiendo la Bicicleta
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1T3GCDPTim8S84WqPq-wYb8Gc_UOzshADn237cm-IHzE
>
> S043 - Entendiendo el Cuerpo del Ciclista
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=14wg7c71iQkGJs2QrldQ75fS5DZCTjhCLPP4vRgrWFgQ
>
> English text:
>
> We have just completed an updated the two articles we offered in response
> to the recent request for ideas to celebrate the forthcoming Tour of Uruguay
> / Vuelta Ciclista del Uruguay.
>
> E042 - Understanding the Bicycle
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=19Dug-0DCk2520Fsx0hl-dzZDJp3cWVDWBDL-ik1Js14
>
> E043 - Understanding the Cyclist’s Body
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1v7oJJ0KEcmJ5cNpOokoxw0HgbWmu3ZOxX3QXNVpIBRs
>
> Carlos Rabassa
> Voluntario
> Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
> Montevideo, Uruguay
>

Here is an interesting reverence:

A 'Perspectives' Psychology, article in SCIENCE (magazine), *Science Starts
Early*, by Frank C. Keil,
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6020/1022.summary
(full article
requires membership).
The follow-on sentence to the teaser in the summary is,

"Evidence is mounting, however, that young children are often quite adept at
uncovering statistical and causal patterns and that many foundations of
scientific thought are built impressively early in our lives."

One example given is about the digestive system:

"For example, while being completely ignorant about the biological details,
most preschoolers do know that food gets transformed after it enters the
body and that the transformed version is critical for helping the body to
grow and to move [1]."

The article goes on to discuss

"...certain broad intuitions and expectations about plausible and
implausible patterns."  One relates to an "essentialist bias": the idea that
something you can't see (e.g., "microstructural stuff") causes what you can
see ... and is the essence of the thing being observed."

that may apply for inferences drawn from patterns of covariance for
biological phenomena but not for physical phenomena.

[1] K. Inagaki, G. Hatano, *Curr. Dir. Psychol. Sci.* *15*, 177 (2006)



Second comment:
The word 'dirty' has many negative connotations in English and may not be
suitable as applied to the blood leaving the Tissues compartment. Perhaps
'waste-bearing' and 'purified' blood would match the sophistication of
'oxygenated'.  'Fresh' air -> 'exhaled' air might also match this level of
sophistication.

In this context, the diagram might be labeled, 'Material flow diagram of the
human body'.



Thanks for sharing!

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Fwd: animated doodle infographic: changing education paradigms

[Frederick Grose]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Carlos Nazareno 
Date: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:26 AM
Subject: animated doodle infographic: changing education paradigms
To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots ,
devel 


Hi guys!

Please check this video on a neat talk given by Sir Ken Robinson at
RSA, illustrated by progressive animated doodling with a sharpie on a
whiteboard.

RSA Animate - Changing Education Paradigms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

-Naz

--
carlos nazareno
http://twitter.com/object404
http://www.object404.com
--
core team member
phlashers: philippine flash actionscripters
http://www.phlashers.com
--
poverty is violence
___
Devel mailing list
de...@lists.laptop.org
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Interactive game 'Vanished' doubles as an educational tool - USATODAY.com

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Kevin Cole  wrote:

> Interactive game 'Vanished' doubles as an educational tool
> http://usat.me/43997794
>
See another great example of community involvement by the Smithsonian
Institute in this video
from PBS, "Digital Media - New Learners of the 21st Century":
http://video.pbs.org/video/1764943332/

Some related game learning links:

http://www.engagelearning.eu/?page_id=18

http://www.sandboxsummit.org/gamechangers.html
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Nicholas Doiron wrote:

>
> This is a tremendously interesting but increasingly technical discussion.
> It's difficult to weigh pros and cons of an entire OS in an e-mail
> discussion. Would it be possible for people to create pages on the wiki so
> we can get a clearer outline of:
>
> * What is each OS?  Explain to a teacher using SoaS what ChromeOS and
> Android actually are. Avoiding conflation with Chrome browser and Droid
> phone.
>
> * What education apps exist already?  Are there grants or challenge prizes
> for app developers?
>
> * Do you believe Sugar activities can make the transition?  Will Native
> Development Kit (Android) and Native Client (ChromeOS) help?
>
> Thanks,
> Nick Doiron


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system
 is a background primer on
operating systems.

Why not outline some more of your inquiries from a teacher interested in
Sugar or Sugar-on- perspective?
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Questions

And the community can begin to fill in the answers.

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Chris Ball  wrote:

> {...}
>
> That does sound interesting -- I don't know much about what it's
> possible to do with JavaScript these days, but the combination of
> being faster than Python and being pervasively editable is exciting.
> Do you know of any proof-of-concept Chrome extensions that do
> activity-like things or allow you to modify their own source on
> the fly that we should check out?
>

Check out http://lively-kernel.org/


> Thanks,
>
> - Chris.
> --
> Chris Ball   
> One Laptop Per Child
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:19 PM, C. Scott Ananian  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Martin Langhoff <
> martin.langh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sugar is starting to move forward again. We could focus or we could
>> Get Distracted!
>>
>
The opportunity is that 'We' could become larger, as in "a rising tide lifts
all boats".
All those devoted to the millions of our current Learners and their
platforms should find new assistance from the 10s or 100s of millions of new
Learners and their devices and platforms.

Sugar Labs is founded on Sugar Everywhere, and needs the infusion of
interest from popular technology.

We even have a cute name for this, 'Galactose',
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy#Galactose:_a_future_Sugar_base_designed_for_alternate_computing_forms

Our recent marketing study, has stimulated us to reflect upon our public and
community,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Website#Website_2

We and Sugar can be larger and everywhere, but not without plenty of focus,
as Martin has modeled,

 - ask interesting questions
 - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first


  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Enseñar a Dormir Bien?

[Frederick Grose]

2011/2/13 Carlos Rabassa 

> English text follows Spanish
>
>
> Me pregunto ¿Por qué?
>
> - La costumbre de no dormir bien está muy extendida en Uruguay así como en
> muchos otros países.
>
> - Se asocia la idea de divertirse y ser elegante con dormir de día y vivir
> de noche.
>
> - Se ven niños acompañados por mayores,  usando plazas de deportes bien
> pasada la medianoche.
>
> - Durante horas de trabajo muchas personas ofrecen síntomas claros de no
> haber dormido bien la noche anterior.
>
> - Hay muchísimos accidentes de tráfico donde interviene un solo vehículo.
>  ¿Se pueden explicar todos como consecuencia de alcohol o drogas?
>
> - A muchos nos enseñaron que Dios dedicó un día completo durante la
> creación para separar la luz de las tinieblas. ¿Lo siguen enseñando?
>
> - Hay cumpleaños infantiles que comienzan bien entrada la noche.
>
> - Tanto estudiantes e intelectuales como hijos de papá,  dedicados
> exclusivamente a divertirse,  parecen considerar que dormir poco es algo
> para estar orgullosos.
>
>
> Hice estas preguntas a algunos amigos y todo lo que oí parece coincidir:
>
> - Hay toneladas de pruebas científicas sobre las muchas consecuencias
> negativas de no dormir bien en forma rutinaria.
>
> - Muchas de estas consecuencias van más allá de la sabiduría popular.
>
> - Muchas consecuencias afectan directamente la capacidad de aprender.
>
> - A ninguno parece preocuparle o interesarle mucho el tema.
>
> - Parecería que ni en el hogar ni en los institutos de enseñanza se
> predican lo suficiente la importancia de dormir bien. ¿Es cierto esto?
>
>
>
>
> English text:
>
>
> I ask, why?
>
> - The custom of not sleeping well,  is widespread both in Uruguay and many
> other countries.
>
> - We associate the idea of having fun and being elegant with sleeping
> during the day and living during the night.
>
> - We see children,  accompanied by adults,  using public playgrounds well
> past midnight.
>
> - During business hours,  many individuals show clear symptoms of not
> having had enough good sleep the night before.
>
> - There are many traffic accidents involving only one motor vehicle.  Can
> we explain them all through the use of alcohol or drugs?
>
> - Many of us were taught that God dedicated a full day during creation to
> separate light from darkness.  Do they still teach this?
>
> - There are children birthday parties starting well after sunset.
>
> - Students and intellectuals as well as "dady´s children" who live
> exclusively to have fun,  seem to consider that not sleeping enough is
> something to be proud of.
>
>
> I asked these questions to some of our friends.  All I heard seems to point
> to:
>
> - There are tons of scientific proof of the many negative consequences of
> not sleeping well as a routine.
>
> - Many of these consequences go well beyond what we alredy know from
> popular wisdom.
>
> - Many consequences directly affect our capacity to learn.
>
> - No one seems to be much concerned or interested in the subject.
>
> - It seems no one preaches enough the importance of sleeping well. It is
> taught neither at home nor at schools. ¿Is this correct?
>
>
>
>  Carlos Rabassa
> Voluntario
> Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
> Montevideo, Uruguay
>

 ...Good topic for a health education Activity...

hea...@lists.laptop.org added.
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] use the "meeting" translate fuction to translate existing wiki text to spanish. Works fine.

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Thomas C Gilliard <
satel...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:

> Testing done successfully on IRC tonight:
>
> I translated 2 wiki entries to spanish this way.(1)
>
> seems to work well
>
> /join #sugar
> /join #sugar-es
> use meeting function to do the text translation:
>
>
>  We need to get some items translated on the wiki especially
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation#Chat_room_help and
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Join_.23sugar-es_on_IRC_Chat.28spanish_with_translation_to.2Ffrom_.23sugar.28english.29
>> if someone knows spanish and could edit the wiki It would be a great help
>> otherwise I guess I could use the meeting function for translation of
>> these items
>>
>
>  test of translate to spanish for wiki: Ask for help through this channel
>> #sugar-es Please be courteous and ask your questions. Volunteers may not be
>> on line all of the time. Be patient and stay connected for several minutes
>> to see their answer.
>>
>> use meeting to translate wiki test to spanish works fine: paste english
>>  wiki text (in edit mode) into #sugar copy spanish from #sugar-es and paste
>> into  wiki page (in edit mode)  as the translation)
>> neat
>>
> (1)
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Join_.23sugar-es_on_IRC_Chat.28spanish_with_translation_to.2Ffrom_.23sugar.28english.29
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation#Chat_room_help
>
> Tom Gilliard
> satellit on IRC freenode #sugar


Are these translations different from those obtained by using the Google
translations from the wiki sidebar?
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Google Summer of Code 2011

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Rafael Ortiz wrote:

> Hi Christoph
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Christoph Derndorfer <
> e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>
>> Great news!
>>
>> Is there some sort of review or overview of the achievements of last
>> year's projects available? I remember some cool proposals and
>> interesting discussions on the mailing-lists but now I can't seem to
>> find a page which details what exactly ended up being done.
>>
>>
> I haven't found such page also. afaik there isn't one.
>
>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Christoph
>>
>> Am 06.02.2011 00:20, schrieb Walter Bender:
>> > Sugar Labs will be applying to Google Summer of Code again for 2011.
>> > Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero  has kindly
>> > volunteered to be our coordinator. He is in the process of updating
>> > the wiki. We will be seeking mentors, students, and project ideas.
>> >
>> > regards.
>> >
>> > -walter
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Christoph Derndorfer
>> co-editor, www.olpcnews.com
>> e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com
>
>
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code#Subpages
and
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:GSoC

have some references.

 --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] unique activities . . . for Oceania XO's, or other regions.

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Sean Linton  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I will look into creating a ticket. Thanks for your help most appreciated,
>
> As far as Sugar/OLPC is world wide, and the places the computers go to have
> their own pedagogies, have people encountered issues regarding the embedded
> pedagogy within this technology. The thing to remember maybe that OLPC also
> contains a learning environment which has its own consequences, which on one
> level is a neutral learning environment -  that assumes universal
> recognition of symbols and on screen aids.
>
> Even if the embedded pedagogy of OLPC is an experiential
> learning environment in itself this doesn't mean that an
> inherited pedagogy will begin to disappear (that 'social missions' are
> competing) maybe just that it is a sign of what can be expected, and needed
> to prepare children for growing into adults in the 21st century.
>
> One way these two backgrounds (or pedagogies) may complement each other,
> and I think OLPC and Sugar are already on the way to doing this is by trying
> to  balance creating a neutral learning platform and encouraging virtual
> learning environments. Virtual learning environments are powerful because
> they may contain cultural metaphors, however they can also feel limiting
> where the user is bound by what is already familiar. The strengths of a
> neutral learning environment include a sense that what is possible is not
> already defined. How broad do people think the metaphors contained with the
> activities should be? Can anyone relate to the metaphor as an effective way
> of making sense of a new experience, perhaps with a specific activity?
>
> Sean
>
>  On 4 February 2011 00:21, Aleksey Lim wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:32:28PM +1300, Sean Linton wrote:
>> > Hi:
>> >
>> > One of the things I would like to know is that even at the current level
>> of
>> > deployment the OLPC project doesn't get attacked for eroding the
>> indigenous
>> > cultures of places when with some careful planning and insight it could
>> > contribute to the opposite. The sort of thing I am thinking about is for
>> > example where you have the TamTam activities, which have a pretty good
>> > representation of instruments from around the world built in to the
>> activity
>> > already, but at this stage are not tailored to different regional
>> > environments. I am thinking about the difference in using that program
>> for a
>> > child whose local music culture is represented by the program, and a
>> child
>> > whose musical instruments are not included in that program.
>> >
>> > At one level the activity is useful for either child - the first can see
>> > that his or her culture is part of this world wide project and that is
>> > really neat, and the second child is at least given the opportunity to
>> see
>> > what other instruments from around the world are like. So either way it
>> is
>> > an education for who ever is using it, but with out that renewal of the
>> > traditional instruments and the unique backgrounds (culture) being
>> brought
>> > into the light of this empowering technology I feel there is a danger
>> that
>> > the result is a monoculture. To counter this one other thing that I can
>> see
>> > being accomplished with the OLPC project is the ability to create audio
>> > content, and distribute it locally. In this situation although we don't
>> have
>> > 'place specific instruments' loaded as a part of the music iconography
>> of
>> > the OLPC, we at least have the ability to couple with community radio,
>> or
>> > other audio frameworks to promote locally generated content.
>> >
>> > One thing I have heard is that OLPC, in a way, creates this situation of
>> the
>> > 'haves' and the 'have nots'. Maybe you have heard this too? I think as
>> long
>> > as a focus of the project is making a contribution to building
>> communities
>> > through learning and networking the technology itself is less like a
>> piece
>> > of the pie and more like mixing dish.
>> >
>> >
>> > It would be great to see the Canadian
>> > 'drumbeats'
>> > activity ported to all the places where the computers are, and that all
>> of
>> > those places could create their own version of that interface, drawing
>> on
>> > indigenous knowledge and experience of sound. However if for example
>> > 'drumbeats' is what makes OLPC in Canada unique, and that unique
>> identity is
>> > being expressed through this activity then it makes less sense to try
>> and do
>> > it in other places because that would be back to creating a sameness
>> which
>> > is contrary to the aim of renewal of indigenous music. My feeling is
>> that
>> > the identity created by 'drumbeats' is in the content and not in the
>> fact
>> > that it is unique to Canadian machines, and for that reason think it
>> would
>> > be great to see some more discussion on how to better equip this
>> technology
>> > to provide insights into more specific

Re: [IAEP] Tools for the community meeting

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Pablo Flores  wrote:

> Next meeting: We're continuing the discussion on Wednesday 02 February 2011
at the same time (9PM UTC, 4PM EST) in #sugar-meeting.

>  http://chat.sugarlabs.org:9090/?channels=sugar-meeting
>>
>> Did you mean the "next" Wednesday on the calendar (02 February 2011), or
>> Wednesday next week (09 February 2011)?
>>
>> Next Wednesday on the calendar (Feb 2nd, after tomorrow).
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Tools for the community meeting

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Pablo Flores  wrote:

> Last Wednesday we had an IRC meeting for analyzing which tools would be
> useful to build for the community. Meeting log is in
> http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-01-26T21:06:33. Here
> are my highlights:
>
> Centralized Authentication (CAS)
>
>- The current multitude of accounts for services at Sugar Labs (and
>related organisations) is considered an obstacle to participation. We 
> should
>work on a seamless / automatic log-in system, though the priority of this 
> is
>not yet clear
>- Sascha is already working on CAS for sugarlabs.org sites, so it's an
>ongoing project (he'll write up an overview of how his imagined "seamless
>login" system is going to work, so others are able to join the effort if
>they like to)
>
> Metadata, data aggregation and search tools:
>
>- The holly grial would be to have a centralized aggregator where one
>could see at a glance what's happening around in the community. Even better
>if all information was correctly tagged. However, it's not easy to 
> implement
>the idea.
>- This would be useful for all kind of users (developers, educators,
>...). For instance JT4sugar suggests for information around Teaching is to
>have information separated into Age/Grade level.
>
> Other ideas suggested:
>
>- Making a portal for sharing info
>- autotranslation of some of the mailing lists, like sur->sur-en and
>iaep->iaep-es (we already have a web-to-IRC gateway and IRC translation,
>both courtesy of alsroot)
>- share/maintain list of known blogs, so bloggers can screen and
>promote what they find interesting
>
> Next meeting: We're continuing the discussion next Wednesday at the same
> time (9PM UTC, 4PM EST) in #sugar-meeting.
>
http://chat.sugarlabs.org:9090/?channels=sugar-meeting

Did you mean the "next" Wednesday on the calendar (02 February 2011), or
Wednesday next week (09 February 2011)?

I'd like to focus on the idea of making a portal for sharing info. Which
> info should it have? Should it aggregate info and/or receive users
> contributions? How can it be easy to contribute there? How can we keep info
> organized?
>
> All feedback is welcome!
>

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Website#Website_2
 

>
> Saludos,
> Pablo Flores
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] WikiLeaks reveals hidden Sugar blogs :)

[Frederick Grose]

You can add any comets you spot here:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Blogs

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Holt  wrote:

> Rev up your Spanish and dive into these great teachers' points-of-view etc,
> thanks to Walter Bender especially:
>
>http://xo-cesaraguero.blogspot.com
>http://formando-artistas.blogspot.com
>http://miguela-xo.blogspot.com
>http://aprendiendodelaxo.blogspot.com
>http://xomimundo.blogspot.com/2010/08/bicentenario-del-paraguay.html
>http://www.ceibalflorida.blogspot.com
>http://recursoscompartidos38.blogspot.com
>http://bloguentarios.blogspot.com (a different sort of blog)
>
> Don't hesitate to press for translation (eg. into English/whatever) of your
> favorite blog posts you find above :)


Google Chrome's autotranslation is convenient, as well.
http://translate.google.com/about/
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Tools for the community (#sugar-meeting, Wednesday 4PM Boston time)

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Pablo Flores  wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> As some of you know, I started working in AC (www.activitycentral.com) as
> Community Architect. Last weeks I've been looking at a lot of information,
> discussing ideas with team members and friends (Walter, Adam, Bernie,
> dfarning, alsroot...) and trying to find out what a community architect
> should do :) I still don't know the answer, but there are some ideas worth
> to be discussed openly.
>
> One of my first concerns is promoting the community growth, so newcomers
> become very important: How to make it easier for them to learn what's going
> on in the community and find the right places to participate?
> The other big concern is having better community
> members intercommunication.
>
> For all of this, there are some tools and standards that could be helpful.
>
> Please join us on Wednesday at 4PM EST in #sugar-meeting
>
http://chat.sugarlabs.org:9090/?channels=sugar-meeting

> to discuss some of this issues:
> 1. Centralized Authentication Service?
> 2. Metadata (taxonomy, hashtags, ...)
> 3. Users tracker (throughout different platflorms)
> 4. Aggregating information (feeds, archives, logs, tweets, ...)
> 5. Search tools
>
> Saludos,
> Pablo Flores
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Fwd: [fonc] Visual 6502 microprocessor

[Frederick Grose]

"Have you ever wondered how the chips inside your computer work?  How they
process information and run programs?  Are you maybe a bit let down by the
low resolution of chip photographs on the web or by complex diagrams that
reveal very little about how circuits work?  Then you've come to the right
place!"
http://www.visual6502.org

-- Forwarded message --
From: Casey Ransberger 
Date: Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM
Subject: [fonc] Visual 6502
To: Fundamentals of New Computing 


This is kind of cool. They took a 6502, X-rayed it, vectorized the
photographs, and then used polygon intersection to implement an emulator in
JavaScript. I haven't hears of anyone doing anything like that before. Made
me think of the FONC TCP/IP bootstrap in it's surprising straightforwardness
and unorthodoxy.

Also, it seems to suggest a "polygonal language," which is interesting to
me.

You can watch a color coded image of the processor doing it's thing and even
step through code, right in your browser. I really think this could be a fun
way to teach kids about microprocessors.

Thought I'd share, hopefully this is interesting to folks:)

http://www.visual6502.org
___
fonc mailing list
f...@vpri.org
http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Organizational needs was: stepping down as maintainer

[Frederick Grose]

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Bastien wrote:

>
> {...}
>
> I did a small experiment: I clicked on the "Getting involved" button.
>
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Getting_Involved

>
> I'm not falling into those categories: developer, designer, educator,
> content writer.  I can help as a translator (I did so in the past) and
> as a "people person".


> So I clicked on the "People person" button.
>
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Getting_Involved#People_Person

>
> I understand the projects listed here and how I can help them: marketing
> team, documentation team, deployment team, local labs, soas.
>
> Here is my list (preference order) :
>
> - *Local labs*: I will try to have more people involved in Sugar from
>  France.  Since early october, we have at least two new members of OLPC
>  who will work more on Sugar.
>
> - *Sugar on a stick*: together with other members, I will try to develop
>  a french Soas.
>
> - *Marketing team*: [sadly enough, we don't seem to have news from Sean.
>  Hopefully nothing bad happened to him - he's usually very responsive.]
>  My role here could be a "general outreach" role: trying to translate
>  marketing documents, speak more about Sugar in events, etc.
>
> I'm addressing this message to you since your the contact for this role.
>
> :)
>
> There is something I miss in the list of "teams/projects" for "people
> persons": community management.  This is very different from marketing
> and outreach.  Maybe this project/role could be advertized somewhere
> on the wiki.
>
> I'll keep this list updated about progress I make in this role.


Please also feel welcome to revise and update wiki pages, including
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vacancies

They can go 'stale' without community updates.

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] One-to-one research

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Beth Santos  wrote:

> Hi all, looking for any research/documentation directly addressing the
> efficacy of one-to-one laptop programs and Papert-like instruction. Any help
> would be great. Thanks much!
>
> Beth
>

These pages aim to support such questions:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_research

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team/Education_Bibliographies
 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team/Evaluation_Studies

Updates would be welcome.

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Translation services for Internet communications was: Sugar Labs Oversight Board?

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, rosamel norma ramirez mendez <
rosano...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Who can traducir the mails
>

When using the Google Chrome browser, I often get the option to translate a
Gmail message.

See http://translate.google.com/about/intl/en_ALL/tour.html#communicate

It requires a feature in Gmail Labs (experimental projects)
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=139503

 --Fred

Thank you ,Rosamel
>
> > From: raf...@sugarlabs.org
> > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:27:07 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-uruguay] [Sur] Sugar Labs Oversight Board?
> {...}
> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Tabitha Roder 
> wrote:
> > >> Mibbit is a web chat service that supports inline
> > >> translation,
> http://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Input_Options#Translation_Menu.
> > >> The #schoolserver channel, irc://irc.oftc.net#schoolserver, might be
> a
> > >> good place to use it.
> > >> Here is a Mibbit link to
> > >> it,
> https://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.oftc.net&channel=%23schoolserver
> > >>  --Fred
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-uruguay] [Sur] Sugar Labs Oversight Board?

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

>  Tabitha I agree! Is there a tool out there somewhere that does
> simultaneous translations?
>

Mibbit is a web chat service that supports inline translation,
http://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Input_Options#Translation_Menu.

The #schoolserver channel, irc://irc.oftc.net#schoolserver, might be a good
place to use it.
Here is a Mibbit link to it,
https://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.oftc.net&channel=%23schoolserver

 --Fred


>
> Learning another language as an adult takes a real commitment and a lot of
> time. I have been working on Spanish for about 46+ years. I used it a lot in
> my teaching and counseling job in Los Angeles. I am retired now and use it
> when I travel and when I do volunteer work for OLPC.
>
> The more I use it in translating, the more comfortable I get. Now I am at
> the stage where I use a translator only to verify the accent marks and,
> sometimes, the gender of a noun.  My dictionary or thesaurus provides
> synonyms when I would be using the same word more than once in a sentence...
> a matter of style.
>
> There are a lot of good online tools for learning English or Spanish.  Live
> Mocha has some new subscription courses that seem to be an improvement on
> their old free ones, which are still available.  They don't take you very
> far though, Alas! http://www.livemocha.com/
>
> Caryl
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:54:26 +1200
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-uruguay] [Sur] Sugar Labs Oversight Board?
> From: tabi...@tabitha.net.nz
> To: cbige...@hotmail.com
> CC: olpc-urug...@lists.laptop.org; olpc-...@lists.laptop.org;
> rosano...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org;
> support-g...@lists.laptop.org
>
>
> I am so happy that my question of considering a deployment teacher on the
> Sugar oversight board is generating engagement with teachers - whatever
> happens from here we are already bringing the techies and the teachers
> closer together just through this discussion.
>
> I vote we all learn Spanish and English. Failing that, lets take another
> look at how we communicate. Maybe mailing lists are not the most appropriate
> method? If we rethink our communication method and start looking for a way
> to talk that allows us to participate in our own language (even if the
> translation is not perfect, maybe it is better than missing a lot of the
> talk due to reliance on a translator following all the mailing lists) that
> would reduce the language barrier for others in the Sugar community too, not
> just English and Spanish.
>
> Tabitha
>
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Login Name?

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:

>  Hi...
>
> Somehow I thought I had an id and password on the Sugar Labs wiki.  But,
> try as I may, I can't find it!  I also can't find out how to get one.  I
> wanted to edit something on the wiki and need to have one to do it.  I don't
> have an "open id" that I can use.
>

There are many potential OpenID providers.  See
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:OpenIDLogin.  You might have an account
on one of them.


> Can someone help?
>

If you can remember a page that  you edited in the past, we could examine
the page history to see your wiki account name, if you ever had one.

  --Fred


> Thanks,
> Caryl
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Sugata Mitra: The child-driven Education

[Frederick Grose]

Newly posted in September 2010:
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Installing Activities question

[Frederick Grose]

>From a new question on the wiki:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_help#on_Sugar_activities

I downloaded Sugar on a Stick and ran it on my computer -- however, the
project I'm working with is about the Calculate activity. I found how to
download the Calculate activity from your Activities page, however I don't
know how to take that downloaded activity and incorporate it into my USB
device/environment. So my question is: How can I take a downloaded activity
and use it with Sugar on a Stick?

There are a number of ways to install new Activities into Sugar:

   1. Using the Browse Activity in Sugar, navigate to the *Sugar Activity
   Library* (http://activities.sugarlabs.org), find the Activity you want
   and click the 'Download Now' button. In Sugar, you should see an alert that
   counts down the transfer. Once the download is saved, a new alert offers to
   show the new Activity in your Journal. Clicking the 'Show in Journal' button
   will take you to a detail view of the .xo entry. Clicking the
   icon at the top left of this view will launch the Activity. The Home view
   favorites and Journal will show the new Activity installed.
   2. If the Activity is downloaded to another computer, the downloaded
   activity is contained in the .xo file that is saved on the
   computer that did the download. If you have another USB device, copy that
   file to the root folder, "/", at the base of your USB device. Then boot
   Sugar on a Stick and go to the Journal. When the second USB device is
   inserted, it should appear in the bottom bar of the Journal. Clicking on the
   USB device icon will show its contents. Drag the .xo file to
   the Journal icon at the far left of the bottom bar. Then click on the
   Journal icon and the .xo entry will display at the top of the
   Journal. Click the icon for  and it will launch.
   3. If the downloaded .xo file is copied to the SoaS USB
   device, and that device is booted into Sugar, one may use the Terminal
   activity to unzip the file into the /home/liveuser/Activities folder using
   these commands: cd /home/liveuser/Activities/ (The /home/liveuser/ path
   may be substituted with /home/olpc/ on an XO.) unzip
   /mnt/live/.xo (The /mnt/live/path-to-.xo may be substituted
   with an accessible .xo path.) The Activity will appear in
   the Home view favorites, and after it has been launched, it will appear in
   the Journa


This is a good candidate for the FAQ,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/FAQ#Activities, once the community
has had a chance to refine the text.
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Grants for Open Educational Resources

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Edward Cherlin  wrote:

> I intend to apply for creating digital textbook replacements. Anyone
> else interested?
>

How about affiliating with Sugar Labs as a Sugar Labs project?


> http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/22912
>
> U.S. Department of Education includes OER in notice of proposed
> priorities for grant programs
> Timothy Vollmer, August 5th, 2010
>
> Today the U.S. Department of Education took another big step in
> supporting open educational resources (OER). In the Federal Register,
> the Department released a notice of proposed priorities (NPP):
>
>The Secretary of Education proposes priorities that the Department
> of Education (Department) may use for any appropriate discretionary
> grant program in fiscal year (FY) 2011 and future years … This action
> will permit all offices in the Department to use, as appropriate for
> particular discretionary grant programs, one or more of these
> priorities in any discretionary grant competition.
>
> The set of proposed priorities specifically mentions OER. Essentially,
> if the priorities are adopted, it could mean that grant seekers who
> include open educational resources as a component of an application
> for funding from the Department of Education could receive priority.
> OER is included in Proposed Priority 13–Improving Productivity:
>
>Projects that are designed to significantly increase efficiency in
> the use of time, staff, money, or other resources. Such projects may
> include innovative and sustainable uses of technology, modification of
> school schedules, use of open educational resources (as defined in
> this notice), or other strategies that improve results and increase
> productivity.
>
> As mentioned, the NPP includes a definition of open educational resources:
>
>Open educational resources (OER) means teaching, learning, and
> research resources that reside in the public domain or have been
> released under an intellectual property license that permits their
> free use or repurposing by others.
>
> Interested parties may submit comments to the notice of proposed
> priorities until September 7, 2010. Information about how to submit a
> comment is described in the notice.
>
> --
> Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin
> Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
> http://www.earthtreasury.org/
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Looking for suggestions

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tim McNamara
wrote:

>
> {...}
>


I'm really interested in what you think a Sugar for high school aged youth
> would look like.
>
> One thing that OLPC spent a lot of time on was the Human Interface
> Guidelines. Some things have slipped, Sugar is moving away from integer
> activity numbers & only using verbs to describe activities, but on the whole
> it's a very good read.
>
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Human_Interface_Guidelines
>

Please reference http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines; this
is the canonical copy, and includes a few updates.

Jim's suggestions on reviewing his Floss manuals,

http://en.flossmanuals.net/ActivitiesGuideSugar/Introduction

http://en.flossmanuals.net/ReadingandSugar/Introduction

are also good places to start.

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Community (was Re: [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review)

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Edward Cherlin  wrote:

>

{...}



If I could get a pressure sensor hooked
> up to the sound port, it would be possible to make a touch-screen
> device into a Midi breath controller.


The microphone is a sort of sound pressure sensor.  Start Measure and
quietly blow on the microphone.
You should notice a large signal.

Best wishes!--Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] First steps with Sugar

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Cherry Withers wrote:

> Hi Werner,
>
> Before I started my deployment training in the Philippines (with XOs not
> SoaS), I asked the same question. I came across a small wiki write up by
> Caroline Meeks and Walter Bender before I saw the myriad of manuals on
> deployment and it served as my guide for the first minutes/hour of my
> training. Wish I can find the wiki-link now.


http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/How_to_present_Sugar
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Fwd: "Why Science is Cool" National K-12 Video Contest in partnership with The Kavli Foundation and SciVee

[Frederick Grose]

-- Forwarded message --
From: 
Date: Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:17 AM
Subject: "Why Science is Cool" National K-12 Video Contest in partnership
with The Kavli Foundation and SciVee
To: supp...@scivee.tv


 "Why Science is Cool" National K-12 Video Contest in partnership with
The Kavli Foundation and SciVee
  The USA Science & Engineering Festival's Kavli Science Video Contest is
looking for videos that are creative, surprising, and can be used to share
students' love of science with other kids. Videos can be linked to current
curriculum, a science fair project or can be whatever students' decide works
for them.   Winners will receive cash prizes for their school, electronics
prizes, tickets to meet the MythBusters and possibly even a trip to the Expo
in Washington, DC. The top videos will be featured during the Expo and at
other Festival events. Submission Deadline: July 15, 2010.   To learn more
visit:
http://www.usasciencefestival.org/2010festival/contests/kavli-science-video-contest
Unsubscribe 
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Books and educational achievement

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Martin Dengler wrote:

> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 05:26:37PM -0400, Chris Leonard wrote:
> ...
> > Books in the home as important as parents’ education level
> >
> http://www.unr.edu/nevadanews/templates/details.aspx?articleid=5450&zoneid=8
>
> The article itself:
>
>
> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B82Y4-4YC2XKM-1/2/7c2bbf36de3f004c7cd8606ee7d851cc
>
> Anyone have a link to the paper itself or a draft thereof?  I love
> reading a 2007 paper for $31.50 as much as the next person, but...


I've requested permission to share the article on our wiki:

 <https://s100.copyright.com/AppDispatchServlet>
<https://s100.copyright.com/AppDispatchServlet><https://s100.copyright.com/AppDispatchServlet>

Title:

Family scholarly culture and educational success: Books and schooling in 27
nations

Author:

M.D.R. Evans, Jonathan Kelley, Joanna Sikora, Donald J. Treiman

Publication:

Research in Social Stratification and Mobility

Publisher:

Elsevier

Date:

June 2010

Copyright © 2010, Elsevier
  Logged in as:   Frederick Grose   Sugar Labs
<https://s100.copyright.com/AppDispatchServlet>

Permission Request Submitted

*Your request is now under review.
You will be notified of the decision via email.
Please print this request for your records.*

Get the printable order details<https://s100.copyright.com/AppDispatchServlet>
.

Order number

500567352

Order date

May 26, 2010 11:44 AM

Licensed content publisher

Elsevier

Licensed content publication

Research in Social Stratification and Mobility

Licensed content title

Family scholarly culture and educational success: Books and schooling in 27
nations

Licensed content author

M.D.R. Evans, Jonathan Kelley, Joanna Sikora, Donald J. Treiman

Licensed content date

June 2010

Volume number

28

Issue number

2

Pages

27

Type of Use

Website

Requestor type

Academic / Educational

Portion

Full article

Format

Electronic

You are the author of this Elsevier article

No

Are you translating?

No

Order Reference Number

 Home page URL for posting content

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org

Expected publication date

May 2010

Duration of posting

3 years

Customer Tax ID

EIN 41-2203632

Elsevier VAT number

GB 494 6272 12

Billing type

Invoice

Company

Sugar Labs

Billing address

c/o Software Freedom Conservancy



1995 BROADWAY FL 17



NEW YORK, NY 10023-5882



United States

Customer reference info

 Permissions price

Not Available

Value added tax 0.0%

Not Available

Total

Not Available

 <https://s100.copyright.com/AppDispatchServlet>
<https://s100.copyright.com/AppDispatchServlet>


Copyright © 2010 Copyright Clearance Center,
Inc.<http://www.copyright.com/> All
Rights Reserved. Privacy
statement<https://s100.copyright.com/AppDispatchServlet>
.
Comments? We would like to hear from you. E-mail us at
customerc...@copyright.com
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] SoaS Deployment in Delhi, India

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Anurag Goel  wrote:

> ...
>


We are planning to use SoaS Strawberry version1 in India. If USR is stable
> by June, we would like to use that. We ruled out SoaS Blueberry because of
> problems with collaboration. Anyone suggest a different strategy?
>

SoaS-Mirabelle, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mirabelle, is
preforming quite well. (You should switch your wiki skin to 'Vector', in
your user preferences page, to see the page more appropriately while we are
in the process of updating the default wiki skin.)

Mirabelle will ship with many fewer Activities, but one can customize an
image easily with http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Sugar_Clone.
And with a little preparation, optimize the build and
file system layout, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/LiveOS_image.

   Best wishes! --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki.sugarlabs.org relocation

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Bernie Innocenti  wrote:

> El Sat, 08-05-2010 a las 18:51 -0400, Bernie Innocenti escribió:
> > The wiki will become read-only for the next 1-2 hours while I'm
> > relocating it to sunjammer and upgrading to Mediawiki 1.16.
>
> Done. Please allow up to 1h for DNS caches to refresh.


I've had to switch skins (click on your 'prefs' link at the top right of
every page in your account link bar next to your name) from the ShikiWiki
default to Vector in order to find a usable page edit button/link.

Please advise.
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] maintenance

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> follows a plan about how to improve the situation regarding
> maintenance of our software modules. If you care about it, please
> reply even if only to say so, or even better, comment on it and
> suggest improvements. I will assume that lack of replies mean people
> don't care about it and will stop caring about it myself.
>
> == The problem ==
>
> The process by which our software reaches to children is complex and
> involves several organizations. Sugar Labs is one of those and its
> responsibility is to provide the raw sources that organizations
> "downstream" such as OLPC, Fedora and Paraguay Educa will modify,
> package, ship and install. It's very important that modifications done
> downstream are kept to a minimum so that all downstreams share as much
> work as possible. This means that the raw sources we provide need to
> contain the features that downstream need in each release and that it
> contains as few bugs as possible.
>
> In order to provide good "raw sources", we have a series of processes
> that assure that the expected features are present and that the worst
> bugs are either fixed or at least well-known. These processes include
> testing, bug triage (keeping the bug database in order), source
> release, code review, user experience design and code development. An
> important role present in most of those processes is that of the
> module maintainer.
>
> A module maintainer takes responsibility for a part of the source
> code. The maintainer will release code at known times and will have
> worked so it has gone through the processes outlined above. Of course,
> the maintainer cannot do all the work by herself, but is ultimately
> responsible for it. Normally the maintainer will have spent most of
> her time triaging and fixing bugs, and will be trying hard to keep the
> module "in order" so that in future releases the maintenance burden
> doesn't grow too much as new code gets in. An important process in
> keeping the maintenance burden in check is "code review", by which the
> maintainer checks that the new code that gets in a release won't
> increase the maintenance burden too much.
>
> The problem is that very few people in Sugar Labs are willing to do
> that maintenance work. We have people keen on packaging Sugar,
> deploying it, training teachers on it, developing new activities and
> new Sugar features, people write books about Sugar, setup help lines
> to support Sugar users, universities are given grants to study the use
> of Sugar, load machines with it, etc. Big amounts of volunteer time
> and money are being spent around Sugar but almost nothing is going to
> maintenance. Paradoxically, any use of Sugar requires that it is
> reasonably stable and most investments are made with the assumption
> that Sugar will keep being developed.
>
> I also want to make explicit that almost all maintenance effort has
> come from a few volunteers that are tired and disappointed about the
> little importance that has been given to this work. We are very close
> to have no maintainers at all in Sugar, meaning as well that nobody
> with the needed experience will be around to mentor new maintainers.
>
>
> == Proposal A: Get downstreams working better inside Sugar Labs ==
>
> I would say that the main reason why so many people are keen in
> investing on Sugar but so little goes into maintenance is
> miscommunication. Downstreams don't know how Sugar is developed, who
> develops it nor what is to gain by investing upstream nor what they
> risk by not doing so. And we cannot keep sitting on our hands waiting
> for each of them to have an epiphany.
>
> I don't want to give the impression that nobody is doing any of that
> outreach work, Walter has met with OLPC deployment representatives and
> has tried to explain it to them, Bernie is volunteering at Paraguay,
> Gonzalo is working at the OLPC deployment in Argentina and I have
> traveled to Uruguay to talk about this. But while these individual
> efforts have had a positive effect by themselves, we still have lots
> of other downstreams to reach and we also must follow up on those
> relationships. My hypothesis is that we are losing great opportunities
> by not having better covered this area.
>
> In order to do that, I think SLs should give maximum priority to
> revive the deployment team:
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team
>
>
> == Proposal B: Get our community thinking about resourcing ==
>
> If the deployment team was working as it should (with participation of
> several downstreams), the needs of our users and partners would be
> voiced there. But it's not enough with voicing needs, it can even be
> harmful if we make exigences on overworked volunteers because some
> will burnout and stop contributing. We also need to think about how we
> can get the resources to address those needs.
>
> A community team would be working on improving Sugar Labs' community
> of doing t

Re: [IAEP] index file for http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities/ needed

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Thomas C Gilliard <
satel...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:

> http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities/
>
> An index.txt file is needed on this page.
>
> presently this page is very hard to use directly.
>
> ASLO seems to only show latest and greatest version of activities...
>
> How can one find an older version of for example:
> write..version 60 for 0.82.1 sugar (XO-1) vs ver 67 on ASLO?
> Are all of the older versions of applications available here?
>
> Or alternately also list older versions on ASLO with compatability info.


activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4201 provides this.

The 'Release Notes, section for an Activity (at the bottom) has a link for
'View Older Versions'.

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] FOSS VT presentation

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Christoph Derndorfer <
e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:

> ...
> In general http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments is the place to go for
> this type of information.
>

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=107887635573341686661.00045a8f74844ef1681f8&z=2

from
that page has an overview.

Unfortunately the page was outdated for a long time but I've repeatedly
> pushed some folks at OLPC to get back to updating it regularly. Now
> looking at the page's history you can see that SJ updated it on March
> 31st and while the page itself still talks about info being from August
> or December 2009 (depending on where you look) I would assume that it
> more or less reflects the current state of things.
>
> @SJ: Please let me know if my assumptions here are wrong! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki design

[Frederick Grose]

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Eben Eliason  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Bernie Innocenti 
wrote:
> > On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 11:44 -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
> >> I agree that sites which don't restrict the body column width are
> >> generally more difficult to read, and it can be frustrating to users
> >> who have a number of tabs open in a single window to continually
> >> resize that window to make those sites readable. I'd put in a vote for
> >> setting a max-width (instead of a fixed width), specified in ems, so
> >> that the line length is comfortable for readability regardless of the
> >> font size, and the layout can still scale down gracefully for narrower
> >> viewports, such as on mobile devices.
> >>
> >> I'd recommend something around 80–100 characters per line for best
> >> readability. (It looks like about 100 now, so no change needed there.)
> >> I'm happy to see you've already set the line-height to something
> >> reasonable, too. Anyway, I love the redesign. I think it's looking
> >> great! nice work.
> >
> > I totally agree. Josh, is anything that you'd like to change before we
> > move your work to the production wiki?
> >
> >
> >> One other note I had was that I'd like to see hover effects on links
> >> in the main articles, just like those in the menu to the left.
> >
> > I'm +1 on adding a hover effect, but -1 on removing the underlining
> > hint, which would make the links harder to distinguish.
>
> Yeah, that's fine. Maybe keep the underline in the default state, but
> remove it in the hover state when the background color changes.
> Eben

We should consider the design and accessibility problems of link underlines.

Insufficient contrast between the link color and regular text make them
difficult to distinguish on monochrome screens.  (With the back light off on
an XO-1, the wiki.sugarlabs.org links are less distinguishable as may be
desired, but some on the www.sugarlabs.org site, especially as the colors
change, are impossible to distinguish.)

Excess and heavy underlines of heavily-linked sections (navigation bars like
the sidebar and table of contents) or even regular content sections can
overload the page with horizontal forms that distract the eye and make
reading difficult.

The default placement of the underline rule intersects with typeface
descenders and this reduces the clarity of the text for reading.

I've found that the excess heaviness and horizontal lining of solid
underlines can be reduced by using a dotted, lightgray bottom-border
underline {text-decoration:none;border-bottom:1px dotted;border-color:
gray}.  This can be tested at wiki.laptop.org (which allows user .css and
.js customization on the monobook skin) by selecting the monobook skin and
entering this line on your User:Username/monobook.css, follow the 'Custom
CSS' link next to MonoBook on the Skin tab of your Preferences page:

#bodyContent a {text-decoration:none;border-bottom:1px dotted;border-color:
lightgray}

bugs.sugarlabs.org uses a similar link underline.

More discussion of the wiki skin redesign is at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap/Wiki_skin_redesign.

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] wiki design

[Frederick Grose]

If we are going to make significant changes to the wiki skin, it would
probably serve us to base those on the pending default MediaWiki software
and skin.

MediaWiki 1.16 beta has been announced,
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-announce/2010-March/89.html,
with new features supporting skin changes. They also will be introducing
features to support a new default skin, Vector, developed by the Wikimedia
Usability Initiative, http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page.

>From the project blog,
http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2010/01/babaco-enhancments/,

> Among the changes which have been made are many improvements in
> interactivity and aesthetics, but the most critical change is using an HTML
> iframe element together with a special design mode that modern browsers
> support, in favor of the previous HTML textarea. This paves the way for
> developing a rich editing experience with collapsible templates and syntax
> highlighting, as well as provides a foundation on which a WYSIWYG editor may
> eventually be built upon.


   --Fred

On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 19:00 -0700, Josh Williams wrote:
>
> > The content pane is set to a max width of 1020px and is fluid at smaller
> > widths. You're suggesting it should be wider right? Could you attach a
> > screen shot for both problems?
>
> Here we go:
>
>  http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki
>
>
> Why do we need to limit the maximum horizontal size at all? If I like
> the page to be laid out narrower, I can always resize the browser
> window :-)
>
> Perhaps we need to set a minimum width below which the page starts
> looking bad due to excessive wrapping. But hard-coded dimensions often
> bother people with hand-held devices.
>
> Is there an easy way for web designers to check compatibility across
> multiple browsers? I remember seeing a website that would take
> screenshots of any url with multiple browsers. I forgot its name.
>
>
>
> > I haven't actually styled the tables yet. The tables will overflow
> > horizontally on the live wiki now. You're only noticing this happen
> > because the font size is larger forcing the overflow. I can make the
> > font size smaller in the tables if you think the tables break at an
> > unreasonable width.
>
> That would be useful imho.
>
>
> > > Note that I have a very high DPI display and therefore I configure my
> > > browsers with bigger than normal fonts. Most sites survive this, but a
> > > few break.
> >
> > I think a screen shot will help for this one too. Thanks for the
> feedback.
>
> Please refer to the same screenshot I sent. It's not a Chromium specific
> issue, the layout is similarly odd in Firefox.
>
> To reproduce it, go to the font settings and enlarge the default fonts.
>
>
> > I'm contemplating removing the borders from the main content area. I've
> > attached a screen shot of this. I think it's more inline with
> > Christian's design for sugarlabs.org and it also avoids some rendering
> > issues browse has with borders.
> >
> > Any input on this direction would be great.
>
> I like it borderless! Like Frederick, I also feel that it would be good
> to have some elements reminiscent of the Sugar UI, but only as long as
> we can balance it with aesthetic needs. I met plenty of people who told
> me that our old skin was awful.
>
> --
>   // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/
>  \X/  Sugar Labs   - http://sugarlabs.org/
>
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

[Frederick Grose]

See http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/535#comment:5, Expose Journal, Home,
Group, Neighborhood, & Frame Sources, where it's suggested that we extend
the 'Show Source' facility to more of Sugar.

Learners like to exercise and demonstrate their knowledge by customizing or
changing their environments. We can guide them to learn deeper concepts by
giving them ways to encode their customizations. (Providing a convenient
undo, save, and restore facility for their work would accelerate their
learning.)

The 'Modifying Sugar' chapter in our manual,
http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/ModifyingSugar, provides a nice entry ramp
for this learning activity. We could provide a similar tutorial for other
Sugar features and then benefit from the creativity of all our learners.


On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Bernie Innocenti 
wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 13:35 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
> > So +1 to look customization. E.g., why not allow to change the
> > gray frame color? In Etoys you can at least change the toolbar
> > color (not permanently though, I should fix that). Even if it
> > enrages our latte-drinking black-wearing designer friends ;)
> > they're kids after all ...
>
> I feel that Sugar should aim to reach the same level of "hackability" of
> eToys: every UI element is an object that you could drag, drop, copy or
> modify.
>
> Of course, this has consequences in terms of stability and clarity.
> Before we could unleash this power we need to think of ways to recover
> from mistakes. If multiple undo is too hard, a "restore everything to
> defaults" might be good enough.
>
> Perhaps we're worrying too much. Re-installing the system from USB takes
> only 3 minutes and is already being done very often. A boy just showed
> up on the door of the repair lab, saying: "se borró el Navegador" (the
> Browse activity deleted itself :-)
>
> All we need to do is make the backup-update-restore procedure slightly
> more automated so that kids and teachers could do it without bothering
> the technicians.
>
> Actually, we don't even need to worry too much for a solid backup and
> restore procedure. I've always suspected that most kids wouldn't care
> about preserving their diary. Now it's confirmed: kids are flocking here
> to get the new version of Sugar even though their journals are not going
> to be preserved across the upgrade.
>
> On the other hand, teachers and teacher trainers always ask to preserve
> the content of their journal. Technicians use a pair of simple shell
> scripts to tar up the journal to a USB stick, so they don't depend on
> being within the range of the correct school server.
>
> I'll summarize all these things in a field report asap.
>
> --
>   // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/
>  \X/  Sugar Labs   - http://sugarlabs.org/
>
> ___
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] wiki design

[Frederick Grose]

>
> (Dropping systems@ and adding marketing@, as this is more of a design
> discussion.)
>
> Thank you Josh for your contributions to Sugar Labs!
>
> I must admit that I would prefer to see a bit more of the Sugar style
> elements maintained or added to the Sugar Labs wiki skin.
>
> The proposed skin at http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/ has lost many of the
> style elements found in our product, Sugar, as expressed in The Sugar
> Interface/Controls.
> In particular, the bold strokes of the Sugar icons on the tabs, the dark
> background of the Sugar toolbar with gray-scale icons, and colors holding 
> special
> meaning
> .
>
> I like that the proposed skin includes the single-line logo (hoping also
> that it can be placed so that it also works with the very common monobook
> skin and others).
>
> Among our sister sites, my favorites for header and navigation linkbars
> are http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ and http://git.sugarlabs.org/ (primarily
> because they both seem to use bold underline strokes on the event of mouse
> pointer hover, and their dark backgrounds remind me of the Sugar toolbar).
>  I'd prefer that the bright colors of links carry 'special meaning' by being
> revealed on hover, indicating the appropriate time for user participation,
> that is a click of a mouse button. The current header navigation links at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ and most of the current tab links have this
> behavior, but need the bolder strokes and underscores of the translate and
> git headers.  Having the  descender on the 'g' hang over the bottom of the
> header area at the translate does add a bit of spice, even if it flirts with
> the Marketing Team's Logo 
> guidelines
> .
>
> In the content areas, to keep a clean, uncluttered, and easy-to-read page
> (especially because of descenders on the typeface), I prefer to have the
> underscores appear on links only when they are activated by mouse hover.  In
> the proposed skin, compare, for example, the greater ease of reading those
> links on the sidebar versus the links in the table of contents box.
>
> Thank you for considering the thoughts and preferences I've presented
> above.
>
>--Fred
>

For those interested in follow-up details, you may use this wiki page for
sharing and collaboration,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap/Wiki_skin_redesign.

(Josh has a new version of the skin to review at
http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs.)

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] wiki design

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:03 PM, josh williams wrote:

> From what I could gather, Bernie was just making suggestions for what a
> site wide navigation could look like. I actually like Bernie's idea of
> making it more like google's universal nav. I think something like the
> following would work well:
>
> HomeWikiDownloadActivitiesMore >
>
> The more link would be a drop down of all our other sub domains.
>
> At any rate I'm almost done with http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/ - so any
> information on how to edit the main navigation would be very helpful. We can
> push the changes without changing the main nav once I get finished bug
> checking, but I think leaving it as it is makes the wiki more confusing than
> it needs to be.
>
> --
> Josh
>

(Dropping systems@ and adding marketing@, as this is more of a design
discussion.)

Thank you Josh for your contributions to Sugar Labs!

I must admit that I would prefer to see a bit more of the Sugar style
elements maintained or added to the Sugar Labs wiki skin.

The proposed skin at http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/ has lost many of the
style elements found in our product, Sugar, as expressed in The Sugar
Interface/Controls.
In particular, the bold strokes of the Sugar icons on the tabs, the dark
background of the Sugar toolbar with gray-scale icons, and colors
holding special
meaning
.

I like that the proposed skin includes the single-line logo (hoping also
that it can be placed so that it also works with the very common monobook
skin and others).

Among our sister sites, my favorites for header and navigation linkbars are
http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ and http://git.sugarlabs.org/ (primarily
because they both seem to use bold underline strokes on the event of mouse
pointer hover, and their dark backgrounds remind me of the Sugar toolbar).
 I'd prefer that the bright colors of links carry 'special meaning' by being
revealed on hover, indicating the appropriate time for user participation,
that is a click of a mouse button. The current header navigation links at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ and most of the current tab links have this
behavior, but need the bolder strokes and underscores of the translate and
git headers.  Having the  descender on the 'g' hang over the bottom of the
header area at the translate does add a bit of spice, even if it flirts with
the Marketing Team's Logo
guidelines
.

In the content areas, to keep a clean, uncluttered, and easy-to-read page
(especially because of descenders on the typeface), I prefer to have the
underscores appear on links only when they are activated by mouse hover.  In
the proposed skin, compare, for example, the greater ease of reading those
links on the sidebar versus the links in the table of contents box.

Thank you for considering the thoughts and preferences I've presented
above.

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Local Labs portlet in the main wiki?

[Frederick Grose]

The Sugar Labs wiki has a sidebar link in the Quick Links section for Local
Labs that links to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs.

Those familiar with the Local Sugar Labs are encouraged to revise that page!

--Fred

-- Forwarded message --
From: Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero 
Date: Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Local Labs portlet in the main wiki?
To: Bernie Innocenti 
Cc: IDavid Farning , Chris Leonard <
cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>, Frederick Grose 


This would be nice to make more visible all the Local Labs.

I don't have the fu on this, help most welcome.

Rafael Ortiz



On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Bernie Innocenti 
wrote:
> It would be nice to add a new portlet to the main wiki to display all
> available Local Labs.
>
> Can someone with the necessary Mediawiki-fu do this? The current Local
> Labs are:
>
>  http://ar.sugarlabs.org/  (still working on it)
>  http://co.sugarlabs.org/
>  http://cl.sugarlabs.org/
>  http://dc.sugarlabs.org/
>  http://pe.sugarlabs.org/
>
> --
>   // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/
>  \X/  Sugar Labs   - http://sugarlabs.org/
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Meeting in Boston on Tuesday! - Hands on Sugar on a Stick! Turtles! Fun! Learning! BE THERE!!

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Caroline Meeks
 wrote:
> Does anyone know how things get on the Sugar Labs Google Calendar? Are we
> still using that?

Some instructions are here,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Events/Instructions.
(Requires mail.sugarlabs.org account.)

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] I would be able to help test if we did snapshots of current status of f12 sugar on a da

[Frederick Grose]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Dennis Daniels
wrote:

> It would be really cool if you could do screencasts of your tests and
> post them publicly.
>
> Further to that end... if more devs and users would publish more on
> how they are developing for Sugar so that teachers and other
> enthusiasts can have some framework/training to begin their own good
> works.
>
> Dennis


Perhaps someone just needs to organize some sessions on a screen-casting
channel where developers, debuggers, or testers would allow the community to
look 'over their shoulders' as they did their stuff *en plein air,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Current_Events/Archive/2009-06-10#En_plein_air.
With a microphone, they could provide a running commentary, and the sessions
could be recorded, replayed, and edited.*

*Start with a single developer/debugger/tester connected to a single
producer with VNC and VOIP to practice the method.*

Much could be learned by watching the masters at work, especially at early
stages of study or when entering new specialties, like surgeons in the
operating theater.

--Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Wiki wysiwyg toolbar wish

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Dennis Daniels
wrote:

> Greetings,
> I have a few requests for the media wiki pages in terms of UI
> additions and plugins.
>
> The first one is my biggest wish...
>*please enable the WYSIWYG tool bar for editing.
>* enable plugin for video playback in wiki
>* install plugin for creating FAQ layout easily
>
> Nice to have:
>
>* collaborative graphical mind mapping tool of some kind
>  o support for uploading Labyrinth code for live use on Wiki?
>
> Please. Can we have the WYSIWYG plugin on wiki.sugarlabs?
>

Some unfortunate technical details are here,
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor.

The FCKeditor extension,
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FCKeditor_(Official), is still in
experimental state.

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

[Frederick Grose]

See the page, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Guide/Wiki_Structure,
for how Projects, Teams, and Local Labs may distinguish themselves on the
Sugar Labs wiki.

 --Fred

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:45 PM, David Farning wrote:

> There has been some confusion over the past several months about how
> SoaS fits into Sugar Labs.
>
> I have been getting the feeling that we are setting ourself up for
> confusion by not clearly abstracting SoaS from the Learning Platform.
> On the other hand, initiatives such as sugar on a stick are incredibly
> valuable to the over all mission of Sugar Labs.
>
> As such, I would like to propose that Sugar Labs create a separate
> category of initiatives, such as SoaS, called projects.  The idea is
> based on apachs' and eclipses' effective use of projects.
>
> The premise behind 'projects' is that initiatives such as SoaS are
> vital to the overall success of the ecosystem.  Yet, they are in
> several ways autonomous to the Learning Platform.
>
> david
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Fwd: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity?

[Frederick Grose]

Forwarding to the Sugar community lists...
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity)

-- Forwarded message --
From: Nick Doiron 
Date: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Subject: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity?
To: grassro...@lists.laptop.org


Hi,
I've been working on modifications to the Map activity.  I will be switching
to a new, faster Google Maps version designed for mobile devices, and I'm
adding new features like distance, area, and collaboration.  I was wondering
if your XO group has tried the Map activity and had any input on its
redesign.

Thanks for your help,
Nick Doiron
ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ndoiron

___
Grassroots mailing list
grassro...@lists.laptop.org
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?

[Frederick Grose]

I've set up Google Translations in the wiki sidebar for a community
evaluation, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki.

In addition to making all pages longer, the 'Using the Wiki' section of the
sidebar is pushed further down. ...Bernie might be able to move that, if the
community prefers.

One benefit now is that all pages have translation links.

So, to print a page without the Google Translations header, one would enter
edit mode for a page, and then remove the {{GoogleTrans-en}} template at the
top of the wiki text entry box. (An older version of the template may look
like this, {{ GoogleTrans-en | es =show | bg =show | zh-CN =show | zh-TW
=show | hr =show | cs =show | da =show | nl =show | fi =show | fr =show | de
=show | el =show | hi =show | it =show | ja =show | ko =show | no =show | pl
=show | pt =show | ro =show | ru =show | sv =show }}.

  --Fred


On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Frederick Grose  wrote:

> We could put the translation links in the sidebar; though, since we don't
> have a dropdown list control, it would mean that all pages would probably
> have vertical scroll bars to cover the sidebar content.
>
> Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, is an example with 41
> languages.
>
>--Fred
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Kevin Cole  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Whenever I print something from the wiki, I get an expanded (sometimes
>> over one page) listing of all the many wonderful translations of a page
>> before getting to the actual content. Is there a way to tweak the CSS to
>> hide that when media = print?
>>
>> --
>> Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo
>> Washington, DC
>> http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/
>>
>> ___
>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Any way to hide google translation stuff in the printable version of wiki pages?

[Frederick Grose]

We could put the translation links in the sidebar; though, since we don't
have a dropdown list control, it would mean that all pages would probably
have vertical scroll bars to cover the sidebar content.

Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, is an example with 41
languages.

   --Fred

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Kevin Cole  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Whenever I print something from the wiki, I get an expanded (sometimes over
> one page) listing of all the many wonderful translations of a page before
> getting to the actual content. Is there a way to tweak the CSS to hide that
> when media = print?
>
> --
> Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo
> Washington, DC
> http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] installing F11 on a USB stick/ What is Sugar on a Stick? Where should these USB's be located in the wiki?

[Frederick Grose]

See the second bullet item here,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs#Technical_Goals.

  --Fred


On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Thomas C Gilliard <
satel...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:

> What is Sugar on a Stick?
>
> Is this the appropriate place for the USB's created  using the F11 net
> install?
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux
>
> Currently the instructions are located on this page.
>
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux#Full_Fedora_11_Install_of_Sugar_and_XFCE_Desktops_to_USB
>
> I had a long discussion about this last night on IRC. One opinion was
> that sugar on a stick ONLY applied to a image on a stick created by a
> Soas-strawberry.iso These have a compressed fs and overlay.
>
> * I believe that all forms of Sugar-desktop on a USB should be
> considered "Sugar on a Stick".
> *The USB.img files I am posting on http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/
> are USB's made with a LVN file structure by doing a Install from a F11
> net install CD directly to the USB.
> *The opensuse-edu images listed on the same page also make a file
> structure after being opened for the first time after being written to
> the USB with a dd command.
> *The VMware Appliances I am posting are also, in my opinion "Sugar on a
> Stick"
> *My USB's are made on a hp Pavillion Laptop (Vista) transferred to a
> Dell 520n running Ubuntu 9.04 for conversion to .img files and for
> duplication and uplinking to sunjammer.
> *The USB's run on the Vista Pavillion/EeePC1000HE (XP)/EeePC900
> -Wirelessly(Mandriva) so they are agnostic to OS. How do we categorize
> them?
>
> The question is: Do we allow all of these forms of Sugar-Desktop on a
> USB stick to be called "Sugar-on-a stick" ?
>
> If we do not then where do these alternate forms get listed on the wiki
> and what do we call them.?
>
> Thanks;
>
> Tom Gilliard
> satellit
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] First stab at a questionnaire for deployments (was: First step towards an efficient feedback process)

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:34, Christoph
> Derndorfer wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Christoph Derndorfer
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> ...
> >
> > Since I had some minutes to spare I took a first quick stab at what such
> a
> > questionnaire for deployments both small and large could look like. This
> is
> > definitely pre-Alpha quality but might be a good starting point when it
> > comes to getting more information from deployments.
> >
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dG50R2wzakRZX0h6WjI4Y29RMkZacUE6MA
> ..
>

Linked on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/TODO


>
> It looks like an excellent start!
>
> It looks to be oriented both towards a deployer (that could be
> country-wide) and towards teachers. Maybe we should have two different
> forms as both profiles will have very different information to give?
>

Perhaps some of these survey questions would be suitable,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team/Survey_questions and
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Education_Team/Survey_questions.

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Lets Get Satisfaction (was: Community Influence)

[Frederick Grose]

http://idea.laptop.org/drupal5/ideatorrent is a resource that
OLPC's Volunteer Infrastructure Group have experimented with.

A sugarlabs.org variant may be an easy step.

It has the idea, solution, voting features, and possibly could be
configured to segregate questions, problems, praise, etc.

--Fred



On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:

> Walter Bender wrote:
> > It isn't obvious at first glance why this particular site appeals to
> > you. Could you describe its features and the problems you think they
> > address?
>
> It is the one I came across and a quick research (not very deep,
> admittedly) didn't result in many comparable alternatives - that's also
> why I asked for alternatives in the end.
>
> What I believe is: *we need to make it easy to submit feedback*
>
> The feedb...@sl.o address was a beginning, but I think we need to
> explore other possibilities, too. GetSatisfaction looks - to me - like a
> good way of offering our users an easy, well designed interface, where
> they can enter their requests & issues.
>
> I mentioned some of its features already below (like the various kinds
> of feedback, the possibility of making the current state on an issue
> easily clear enough,m...). However, I think if we promote such a
> solution well enough, it might help us to get feedback even from those
> people, who're probably not that experienced with open source projects
> or even feared of entering a ticket in trac ("what the heck is a bug?",
> "why do I need an account here?" "what's this all about?",...).
>
> --Sebastian
>
> > thanks.
> >
> > -walter
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Sebastian Dziallas
>  wrote:
> >> Hi everybody,
> >>
> >> it's really good to see this discussion getting off the ground. While
> >> being at LinuxTag, we discussed with some folks how to improve the way
> >> of getting feedback from our users, without putting too much barriers in
> >> their way.
> >>
> >> So while looking around and at various issue tracking systems, I
> >> discovered GetSatisfaction. I had seen that before already, but wasn't
> >> sure of its current state. There you go: http://getsatisfaction.com/
> >>
> >> GetSatisfaction is also used by other open source projects like Songbird
> >> (which might also be a good place to an idea how such an instance looks
> >> like): http://getsatisfaction.com/songbird
> >>
> >> So as you can see, users gain various possibilities of interacting with
> >> the developers here. They can ask questions, report issues and so on.
> >> Others go ahead and comment and vote an entry up and down so that
> >> developers can see what's more and what's less important. Finally, a
> >> developer can also put a "we're working on it" or "we're aware of this
> >> problem" flag on an entry, to make the current state more obvious.
> >>
> >> In my opinion, this might be a good way of inviting more people to give
> >> us feedback (I'm not suggesting to abandon trac, I guess we should use
> >> that to track issues ourselves, too). For example, if we created such an
> >> instance and mentioned it in the next press release, I'm pretty sure it
> >> could work out well.
> >>
> >> Well, GetSatisfaction is a company. So they have various plans (also a
> >> free one, which looks like it would probably already be enough), while I
> >> guess we could also contact them directly.
> >>
> >> So. What do you think? Is this worth trying out? Any alternatives?
> >>
> >> I've already a personal account with them, but how do we proceed?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> --Sebastian
> >> ___
> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Daniel Drake  wrote:

> 2009/7/29 Walter Bender :
> > Daniel, could you start the ball rolling by being more explicit about
> > some specific unmet needs of deployments that might be actionable?
>
> OK, where should we make such a list?


http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/TODO  may be used directly or
used to hold links to a deployment's preferred resources.

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] OLPC Learning Team news

[Frederick Grose]

Some updates on the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Educators page:

*The Learning Team is now located in Kigali, Rwanda to start the Center for
Laptops & Learning, in partnership with Kigali Institute of Science &
Technology (KIST)*
*You can follow the work of the learning team on the OLPC blog:blog.laptop.org,
or below:*

Training at schools in Rwanda with visiting OLPCorps
teams
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Wiki template question: {{PAGENAMEE}}

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Edward Cherlin  wrote:

> Is there a way to get this template to format better? It all comes out
> on one line.
>
> {{Special:PrefixIndex/{{PAGENAMEE}}/}}


It's a transclusion of the Special page,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:PrefixIndex, and there's no built-in
way to format it, unfortunately.

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Evolution of Sugar Labs

[Frederick Grose]

Please also contribute to the issues being discussed on the
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_Labs/Roadmap page.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM, David Farning wrote:

> Over the last year Sugar Labs has grown enough that it is a different
> organization from the Sugar Labs we knew last summer.  Good Job!
>
> But this growth means that we must reassess what we are doing, why we
> are doing it, and what we should do.
>
> To facilitate this process,
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Roadmap is now a roadmap for
> how to create a roadmap.
>
> Please hack away at it.
>
> david
>
> --
> David Farning
> Sugar Labs
> www.sugarlabs.org
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] community discussion plan

[Frederick Grose]

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 22:56, David Farning
> wrote:
> > I have been looking at community building needs for the next 6 months
> > to a year..  I am thinking about taking it pretty slow; there don't
> > seems to be any major blockers to community development
> >
> > Phase I
> > Focus on Mission, Vision, and Values.  This is a pretty high level
> > discussion which builds on top of similar work we did last years.  The
> > emphasis will be 'what we share in common.'
> >
> > Phase II
> > How we get there?
> >  building capacity - building product
> >  innovation - implementation
> >  supply side - demand side
> >  education - technology
> >
> > The emphasis will be on what trade offs and compromises are required
> > given our current and near term resources and how do we leverage our
> > strengths while minimize our weaknesses.
> >
> > Phase III.
> > Iterative process between:
> >  Personal Roadmaps
> >  Team Roadmaps
> >  Project Roadmaps
> >
> > The emphasis will be on setting personal, team, and project level
> > goals to make Phase I happen while considering the constraints
> > identified in phase II.
> >
> > I like to use the forming, storming, norming, performing group life
> > cycle model.  It is interesting to consider that even though we have
> > have many of the same people, our roles and relationships have
> > evolved.  If we then add in all the great  new contributors Sugar Labs
> > is a different group than it was last year at this time
> >
> > Seem reasonable?
>
> I think it makes sense, which are the first concrete steps?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
>
Please see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Roadmap and
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_Labs/Roadmap.

There is a question,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_Labs/Roadmap#How_and_why_does_FOSS_development_work_best_for_Sugar_Labs.3Fwaiting
for you to answer, Tomeu :)
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[IAEP] Help needed by grants writer for Town of Lake Park, Florida, USA

[Frederick Grose]

Here is a help request received by h...@laptop.org and forwarded by Adam
Holt (Thank you, Adam).
It suggests some points for more clarity in our communications.  I've added
the questions to the FAQ for SoaS.  Please help answer the questions
appropriately at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ.

I'll link the SoaS FAQ more prominently on the SoaS page.

I'll respond the the help ticket in r...@laptop.org.  Assistance welcome.

--Fred

-- Forwarded message --
From: 
Date: Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Subject: [laptop.org #43435] I'd like to participate... [Sugar for 500-1000
kids in Lake Park, Florida/FL, USA?]
To:
Cc: fgr...@gmail.com


Fred,
Can you possibly respond?
--A!


On Mon Jul 06 14:38:41 2009, vmar...@lakeparkflorida.gov wrote:
> I'd like to participate, but it took so long just to figure out where to
> go - and I might not be in the right place now.  Your website is not
> very user friendly - when it says "contact us" I should be able to find
> a link or an email.
>
>
>
> I have probably 500-1000 children who could benefit from the Sugar Labs
> project (particularly Sugar Stick), but I can't find out
>
> (1) How much each stick costs;
>
> (2) What I have to get to make it work - I don't have a tremendous
> amount of time to float around your website;
>
> (3) Do you have a space where there is information in a concise, easy to
> digest format?
>
> (4) Can I try some of it out?
>
> (5) Is the platform another cost?
>
> (6) Is it learning games, homework help, search engines?
>
> (7) My son sent me this link - I am a grants writer who is able to put
> this into lots of hands, depending on the cost and the efficacy.  It
> looks really interesting, and I am a strong proponent of self directed,
> computer aided learning.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> If I have not reached the appropriate individual, could you forward my
> message on?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Virginia Martin
>
> Grants Writer
>
> Town of Lake Park
>
> 535 Park Avenue
>
> Lake Park, Florida 33403
>
> Telephone:  561-840-0160
>
> Fax:561-881-3314
>
> Email:  vmar...@lakeparkflorida.gov
>
> Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not
> want your e-mail address released in response to a public records
> request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact
> this office directly by phone or in writing.
>
>
>


--
OLPC Support, Volunteer-Driven (http://support.laptop.org)
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Physics

[Frederick Grose]

Just a snip from Gabriel Eirea from a recent post about Activities,

> One more comment: kids are hungry for games, all types of games, all
> the time, there is no way to satisfy them. They don't want just the
> "finished" activities, they want the simple pacman clone and tetris
> clone and all the student scratch-based games that only appear in
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All.


Someone once said that 'playing is children's natural learning work'.  The
above excerpt attests to that.

I can hardly wait to see what we'll learn by having collaboration in the
Physics Activity, http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4193,
and watching those in the playground.

...This whole approach starts to help children stop "thinking in words" and
> start to think in terms of relationships, causes and effects, and most
> importantly in terms of whole systems.
>
> There are very few teachers in the US that understand any of this, even in
> HS.
>

We could begin to develop demonstrations for parents and teachers.

p.s.  Here is a resource that may be helpful,
http://www.museumofplay.org/about_us/index.html.

 --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Communicating project goals and Roadmap

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> 2009/7/2 Sean DALY :
> > I don't know Tomeu, what do you think?
>
> I sincerely don't know but I hope that someone will explain what they
> need from the development team to succeed.


The idea is that *all* of Sugar Labs needs to think deeply about how we
develop the next stage of Sugar and Sugar Labs.  What is most important to
refine and advance, and what important pieces need to be added.

This seems to be a followup to the call for *Champions* to advocate for the
features needed to better serve our communities.  Champions that can
integrate with the Design, Development, Activity, Education, Deployment,
Marketing, and other Teams.

For example, see this discussion thread on the 'netbook' as terminology,
http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg05906.html,
and the suggestion to push ad-hoc wireless networking into a native feature
of Sugar.  This would give Sugar a large, advantageous multiplier effect for
creating more pervasive networking to take advantage of our core feature,
collaboration.

Powerful ideas please step forward...

   --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

> ...
>
> I don't know that we should decide to push a name change on the market.


>
...


>
Even in the "developed" world, the Internet is not everywhere, e.g., most
> classrooms, and as much as it has been good for the service providers to
> pitch it as true, the cloud is not right solution to every problem.


When we speak of netbooks, we can highlight Sugar's intrinsic ability to
network and collaborate without the Internet; so, not Internet-book, but
network-book!

XO-1s do this by default, we should push this capability into any Wi-Fi
enabled device running Sugar.

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and "Mastering" Educational SW

[Frederick Grose]

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Maria Droujkova  wrote:

>
> ...



As I said, I am a beginner at Sugar, so what I say now may need (a lot of?)
> adjustment.
>

We should assure everyone that we all are beginners at Sugar (as Alan did.)
 "It's An Education Project", not a platform project. Sugar Labs very much
welcomes this discussion and mutual adjustment, see
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team.  Authentic conversations with
nuggets like those in this thread are food for reflection and inspire better
plans, better collaborations, better Sugar...

  --Fred
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment

[Frederick Grose]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jim Simmons  wrote:
>
>
> ...


>

> I'm still interested in other ideas.


 Something like this maybe...
<>___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep