Re: [IAEP] [FIELDBACK] Etoys

[Gerald Ardito]

Subbu,

Thanks for this.
Your idea about "watchers" is a really good one.

Gerald

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:53 AM, K. K. Subramaniam wrote:

> On Friday 26 February 2010 12:12:19 pm Cherry Withers wrote:
> > It's definitely a balancing act trying to get them to focus on finishing
> up
> > something and getting them to explore. Once they realize that they
> > can affect the object by scripts they just want to do everything they can
> > possibly do in one sitting (dragging and dropping tiles in one script
> > window ..then I'm in fire fighting mode). Too much resulted in chaos in
> my
> > class. Not doing THAT again. I now give them some time to go nuts on
> > exploration then pull them back in to finish a project. Now I'm
> > introducing just a max of two concepts (or tiles) in one 40min. session.
> When a new tile is introduced, kids tend to use it over and over many times
> before they get to a state where they can use it in a project. This is par
> for
> the course.
>
> Alan's car demo script starts with commands. When the script says "forward
> 5"
> what exactly is 5 in that blank space? Introducing watchers before commands
> helps ease the up ramp. Learning about watchers for shapes
> (length/width/heading), color and border and then position (x,y,..) allows
> kids to grasp spatial and angular dimensions gradually.
>
> BTW, I wouldn't worry about kids "finishing" a project in the first few
> sessions. Curiosity and experimentation will dominate the sessions. Only
> when
> they reach a zone of comfort with the system will they become receptive to
> tips on "saving" their projects.
>
> My experience is limited to non-English students in rural India using the
> English GUI. I don't know how much it would apply to students in other
> regions.
>
> YMMV .. Subbu
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Re: [IAEP] Math on Web

[Gerald Ardito]

Caroline,

Something else that may be worth considering is the development of an
activity like Info Slicer, where teachers can provide annotations for the
videos, and/or prompts for notes or reflections.

Gerald

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote:
>
>> Anybody know about this? I wonder whether he would be willing to let
>> us adapt his materials to laptops.
>>
>
> Good idea!  What ideas do you have about how we would adopt it?
>
> We could start by asking him if he would make them CC license. I'm
> traveling to the Bay Area next month. If we can get some good ideas I'm
> happy to maybe team up with Cherry take him out to coffee and ask.
>
> Caroline
>
>
>
>> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/north_america/jan-june10/khan_02-22.html
>> Feb. 22, 2010
>> Math Wiz Adds Web Tools to Take Education to New Limits
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [FIELDBACK] Etoys

[Gerald Ardito]

I agree. Watching the car script is fun for a while. But when they make
their own first script, it is exciting each and every time.

I also find that the students (I work with 10 year olds) get overwhelmed by
the number of choices they have.

Anyone else have that experience?

Thanks.
Gerald

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Cherry Withers wrote:

> The very first time a child sees their object move with a simple forward
> script is always a magical moment for me and the kids. Never fails.
> Exploration and excitement explodes after that. I'm new to teaching Etoys as
> well. Definitely caught the bug. :-)
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am teaching on a regular basis in the Planetarium pilot in Berlin,
>> Germany [1]. I have been using Etoys now for several weeks and here is
>> some first feedback.
>>
>> First: The kids do like it a lot! I want to encourage everyone to
>> include it in his curriculum.
>>
>> For example you can teach easily the concepts of the coordinate system
>> with Etoys. You create an object and print out the X and Y values when
>> moving it on the screen. Or you can use a joystick to alter the position
>> of this object and use this method to deepen the coordinate system
>> concept.
>>
>> Of course we did as well the famous car example. It was slightly changed
>> in my class: A bug has to crawl a lane using one or two sensors to stay
>> on the lane. A lot of interesting concepts to learn here, too (positive
>> and negative numbers for example).
>>
>> And to bring this all together into a portfolio you can use the book
>> tool (found in the treasure chest) to create a story including all your
>> objects and games, pictures etc you created.
>>
>> I wrote down a few items I was missing when using the book tool and
>> while doing so, I figured they were all there, just hidden by default.
>>
>> - resize all of the book not just one page
>> - maybe that could be the default option?
>> - duplicate a page
>> - different background color
>> - different sound when turning the page
>>
>> When you hit the little button at the far left you will get more
>> options. And when you use the menu in the middle of the book toolbar you
>> get all of these options and a lot of more. Just in case someone runs as
>> well into this :)
>>
>> A few things that I came across, too:
>> - German: When you drop the 'joystick up down' and 'joystick left right'
>> option onto the world it will change to English. Not when you use it in
>> a script though.
>> - some buttons are hard to use: for example when you want to alter the
>> behavior of the X value of an object (increase..). Those are hard to
>> navigate. Or dropping options into the test script does not work as
>> smooth.
>>
>> That's all for now - keep up the good work, team Etoys!.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Simon
>>
>> PS: Of course I am happy to turn items into bugs later. Just thought I
>> give here a little summary first.
>>
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployments/Planetarium
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Re: [IAEP] SoaS deployment (1st grade) in CFS (Boston area)

[Gerald Ardito]

Mel,

This is just great. I look forward to see what happens next.
If I can help at all, just let me know.

Gerald

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Mel Chua  wrote:

> Some of you may have seen this news come across Planet already, but
> we're doing a small SoaS deployment in a 1st grade classroom in
> Cambridge, MA. It's meant to be small, short-term (Feb-May) and very
> well-documented - basically, "what is the simplest complete SoaS
> deployment mechanism you could set up?" is the question we are trying to
> answer by doing it.
>
> More information at http://blog.melchua.com/category/soas/,
> http://sdziallas.com/blog/sebastian/2010/02/im-excited-seriously.html,
> and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sugar.
>
> There's a wiki page up about the deployment at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mchua/SoaS_pilot, but this is a very
> temporary location until the students pick a name for the deployment -
> at which point we'll move to mainspace with that name.
>
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Re: [IAEP] Laptops?!?

[Gerald Ardito]

Adam,

This email, and the whole project, is incredibly inspiring.
Thanks.

Gerald

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:17 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:

>  By Carmina, one of many Haitian-American
> bloggers/entrepreneurs/educators/open sourcerers I met in NYC Saturday, 
> *willing
> to Take a Stand for Haiti:*
>
>
> Laptops?!?
>
> My good  friend Mike asked puzzled. And  I understood his reaction because
> I had the same one at first.
>
> Haiti ’s children don’t need laptops; they need food, shelter, the basic
> stuff…
>
> I’m grateful that others have the skills and the opportunity to go to Haiti
> and help with those basic needs.
>
> I applaud their efforts and admire their courage: unfortunately, I don’t
> have the skills  or opportunity to do so myself.
>
> Almost a month has passed already…It’s time to build Haiti back!
>
> It’s not going to happen overnight and it’s not going to happen by itself.
>
> It’s starts with everyone doing a little bit, where they are, when they
> can.
>
> So I’m doing the little bit I can by actively supporting 2 organizations in
> which mission I believe in.
>
> What motivates and excites me about the One Laptop Per 
> Child/
> Waveplace  project is its potential to impact
>
> the next generation of Haitians,  out of which future parents, citizens,
> mayors, senators and even presidents will come from.
>
> I see a potential to open the minds of our children to other realities,
> other worlds,  give them new dreams, broader horizons.
>
> So last Saturday at a CrisisCamp  in NYC,
> when I heard Adam Holt and Allison Bland, exhausted from an early morning
> train ride from Boston to NY
>
> talked enthusiastically about this project I saw a chance to make a
> difference.
>
> No matter how small my part would be.
>
> Then I witnessed something awesome:  people were gathering around them,
> coming together, rallying around this project.
>
> The ideas started flowing,  out of the box ideas.
>
> Suddenly, a simple translation project request became a movement to
> revolutionize the educational system  in Haiti.
>
> 2 days later, we have a coloring book project under way, translation
> parties in the works, blogs, websites, publishers/authors
>
> willing to giving us permission to make their children Creole books into
> e-books, an active and growing online community of a people exchanging ideas
> and
>
> ready to make a difference in anyway they can. Wow! If we can do that in 2
> days, what can we do in 1 week, 1 month, 1 year!
>
> Yes, I realize that it’s a drop in the ocean, but if you could even
> indirectly impact the future of 1 child of Haiti,
>
> Would it not have been worth your while?
>
> You can help!
>
> Join our community at The New Haiti 
> Project
> .
>
> Donate 1 hour of your time to translate material from English to Creole
>
> Start here: 
> http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ht/
>
>
>  [ Originally published at: http://RaiseUpHaiti.com - *Rebuilding Haiti by
> Educating its Future Leaders* ]
> [ Carmina is now translation volunteer coordinator for:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Haitian_Creole_Translation_for_Education ]
>
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Re: [IAEP] planet

[Gerald Ardito]

Tomeu,

This seems like a really good resource, and one I did not know about before.
As with any blog, it is only useful if updated regularly, so that would be
my only reservation about promoting it.

My two cents.
Gerald

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm under the impression that the SLs planet
> (http://planet.sugarlabs.org/) isn't well known even between the
> members in our mailing lists.
>
> What do people think about linking to it more prominently? Maybe in
> Walter's digest?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
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Re: [IAEP] Looking for Montreal XO/Sugar users

[Gerald Ardito]

Tabitha,

I would like to be contacted by other XO using schools interested in pen pal
arrangements. And yes, 5th graders are about 10 years old.
Thanks for your help with this.

Gerald

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Tabitha Roder wrote:

>
> One of the teachers has an affinity for the city, and Canada is part of the
>> 5th grade social studies curriculum.
>> Did you have somewhere else in mind?
>>
>> No where else in mind, just having the reasons helps people decide if they
> should put their hand up with alternatives - would you like to be contacted
> by other XO using schools if they are interested in a penpal arrangement?
> (what age is 5th grade? is that 10 year olds? we have different terminology
> here).
> Thanks
>
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Re: [IAEP] Looking for Montreal XO/Sugar users

[Gerald Ardito]

Tabitha,

One of the teachers has an affinity for the city, and Canada is part of the
5th grade social studies curriculum.
Did you have somewhere else in mind?

Thanks.
Gerald

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Tabitha Roder wrote:

> 2010/1/21 Gerald Ardito 
>
>> I have a classroom of 5th grade XO users and their teacher who are looking
>> to become electronic pen pals with students in Montreal.
>>
>
> Hi Gerald
> Any reason Montreal?
> Tabitha
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[IAEP] Looking for Montreal XO/Sugar users

[Gerald Ardito]

Hello there.

I have a classroom of 5th grade XO users and their teacher who are looking
to become electronic pen pals with students in Montreal.
Does anyone know of a deployment there?

Thanks.
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Re: [IAEP] EToys Saving Problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Thanks.
Gerald

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On 15.01.2010, at 18:32, Gerald Ardito wrote:
>
> Bert,
>
> One more question, can you give me an example of a properly formed
> 'copy-to-journal' command?
>
>
> copy-to-journal -m application/x-squeak-project /path/to/project.pr
>
> - Bert -
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] EToys Saving Problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Bert,

One more question, can you give me an example of a properly formed
'copy-to-journal' command?

Thanks.
Gerald

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On 15.01.2010, at 15:46, Gerald Ardito wrote:
> > Bert,
> >
> > Thanks for this.
> > I was able to find some lost EToys projects using your suggestion.
> >
> > I could use some help using copy-to-journal.
> > I am getting an error about mimetype. What should I use?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Gerald
>
> For Etoys projects use "application/x-squeak-project".
>
> Yes, it's maddening that copy-to-journal forces you to type that, when a
> simple call to gvfs-info (or its pythonesk incantation) would guess
> correctly most of the time (*).
>
> - Bert -
>
> (*)
> [o...@xo-0c-f3-0c ~]$ gvfs-info -a standard::content-type
> /usr/share/etoys/*.pr | tail -1 | sed 's/.* //'
>
> application/x-squeak-project
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EToys Saving Problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Walter,

I am not sure what you are referring to as the bug. But the loss of EToys
projects has happened with at least 6 XOs.

Thanks.
Gerald

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Gary C Martin wrote:

> On 15 Jan 2010, at 15:34, Walter Bender wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Bert Freudenberg 
> wrote:
> >> On 15.01.2010, at 15:46, Gerald Ardito wrote:
> >>> Bert,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for this.
> >>> I was able to find some lost EToys projects using your suggestion.
> >>>
> >>> I could use some help using copy-to-journal.
> >>> I am getting an error about mimetype. What should I use?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Gerald
> >>
> >> For Etoys projects use "application/x-squeak-project".
> >>
> >> Yes, it's maddening that copy-to-journal forces you to type that, when a
> simple call to gvfs-info (or its pythonesk incantation) would guess
> correctly most of the time (*).
> >
> > Bert,
> >
> > Is there a ticket open on this? If not, maybe there should be?
>
> There has been a version of copy-to-journal kicking around the laptop wiki
> for quite some time (pre 8.2 I think), I was never sure why this improvement
> never made it into a release. Used to work well for me, but perhaps bit
> rotted somewhat by now (haven't tested it lately), here's the .py:
>
>
> http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/phil/support-scripts/tree/copy-to-journal
>
> Wiki page with the description (basically, use a -g option to guess mime
> type using the file command:
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Copy_to_and_from_the_Journal
>
> Regards,
> --Gary
>
> >
> > -walter
> >
> >> - Bert -
> >>
> >> (*)
> >> [o...@xo-0c-f3-0c ~]$ gvfs-info -a standard::content-type
> /usr/share/etoys/*.pr | tail -1 | sed 's/.* //'
> >>
> >> application/x-squeak-project
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Re: [IAEP] EToys Saving Problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Bert,

Thanks for this.
I was able to find some lost EToys projects using your suggestion.

I could use some help using copy-to-journal.
I am getting an error about mimetype. What should I use?

Thanks.
Gerald

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Gerald Ardito wrote:

> Bert,
>
> Thanks.
> Which log should I look at?
> I'll try the other stuff on Monday when I am back at school.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
>> On 08.01.2010, at 22:14, Gerald Ardito wrote:
>>
>> Bert,
>>
>> I have been working with students to create EToys projects.
>> Two of them were working yesterday on their projects, which I saw. Their
>> work was very good, and almost done. When they went to finish it today,
>> yesterday's work was not in the Journal, nor were there any other records in
>> the Journal of earlier sessions on this project.
>>
>> So, I have some questions:
>> 1. Under what conditions could this happen?
>>
>>
>> Don't know. Is there anything in the log?
>>
>> 2. Is it possible that the project is on the XO, but not showing in the
>> Journal? If so, where might I find it.
>>
>>
>> It's unlikely, but try
>>
>>  su
>>  find /home/olpc/isolation -name \*.pr
>>
>> which would look for Etoys projects in the rainbow-jailed folders.
>>
>> 3. Can you suggest any way to recover this work?
>>
>>
>> If you find a project file you can use "copy-to-journal" to add it to the
>> Journal.
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] EToys Saving Problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Bert,

Thanks.
Which log should I look at?
I'll try the other stuff on Monday when I am back at school.

Gerald

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On 08.01.2010, at 22:14, Gerald Ardito wrote:
>
> Bert,
>
> I have been working with students to create EToys projects.
> Two of them were working yesterday on their projects, which I saw. Their
> work was very good, and almost done. When they went to finish it today,
> yesterday's work was not in the Journal, nor were there any other records in
> the Journal of earlier sessions on this project.
>
> So, I have some questions:
> 1. Under what conditions could this happen?
>
>
> Don't know. Is there anything in the log?
>
> 2. Is it possible that the project is on the XO, but not showing in the
> Journal? If so, where might I find it.
>
>
> It's unlikely, but try
>
>  su
>  find /home/olpc/isolation -name \*.pr
>
> which would look for Etoys projects in the rainbow-jailed folders.
>
> 3. Can you suggest any way to recover this work?
>
>
> If you find a project file you can use "copy-to-journal" to add it to the
> Journal.
>
> - Bert -
>
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[IAEP] EToys Saving Problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Bert,

I have been working with students to create EToys projects.
Two of them were working yesterday on their projects, which I saw. Their
work was very good, and almost done. When they went to finish it today,
yesterday's work was not in the Journal, nor were there any other records in
the Journal of earlier sessions on this project.

So, I have some questions:
1. Under what conditions could this happen?
2. Is it possible that the project is on the XO, but not showing in the
Journal? If so, where might I find it.
3. Can you suggest any way to recover this work?

Thanks.
Gerald
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org

[Gerald Ardito]

Wade,

You said:
" if only we could put every Sugar developer
at a deployment for a week."

I am a teacher and doctoral student managing a deployment of 150 XOs/SOAS
and would love to have this happen!

Gerald

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Walther Neuper  wrote:

> Hi Wade,
>
> thanks for your initiative !
>
> We would like to adjust (contribute?) to your efforts, since we just
> begin to try the same in a mini-environment: (student-)developers at our
> university + teacher students + teachers at Austrian schools.
>
> Walther
> PS: preliminary homepage www.ist.tugraz.at/projects/isac/rp
>
> Wade Brainerd wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aleksey Lim 
> wrote:
> >
> >> All mentioned above could be(already) done in existed env. But the major
> >> idea of collab.sl.o proposal is bringing life to existed scheme by
> >> stimulating users to share their needs(due to having convenient
> >> "ASLO for needs" site).
> >>
> >
> > Hi Aleksey,
> >
> > We definitely need to improve our lines of communication with users
> > (deployments, teachers, students and casual).  As a programmer I
> > appreciate a good technical solution to this problem.
> >
> > I think it's more a personal problem than a tech problem though. [...]
> --
> 
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [DESIGN] Ideas and questions on SL.o

[Gerald Ardito]

Luke,

As a teacher/technology facilitator managing a deployment of about 140
XOs and Dell netbooks with SOAS, I completely agree with your
assessment about the site's usefulness.

I think your strawman is a good start. I am willing to help with the
teaching resources piece.

Best,
Gerald

On 12/27/09, Luke Faraone  wrote:
> Recently, I attended a presentation along with Walter, Bernie, and Dogi in
> which students from Babson College discussed the deployability challenges
> faced by Sugar and SugarLabs in the United States.
>
> One of the things mentioned was the distributed nature of our project. We
> have a extensive wiki, a variety of high-traffic mailing lists, and doezens
> of blogs. For a teacher or administrator looking into the viability of
> Sugar, it can be quite a daunting task to process and synthesize all these
> disparate sources into a cohesive message.
>
> They specifically mentioned the front page of our community,
> www.SugarLabs.org, as an example of our failure to communicate. While the
> design is visually appealing and graphically stunning, it suffers from being
> *too* simplistic in my opinion. In terms of conveying actionable
> information, it performs poorly. Most people come to an organization's front
> page with specific goals in mind, and it should be our goal to make it as
> easy as possible for people to accomplish those goals.
>
> As Bernie commented during the meeting, "one of the first things as
> developers we jump for is the link to the wiki". But this link dumps the
> user to a large, disorganized mass of content in which one can easily get
> lost. Wiki-gardening is definately a full-time job, probably for more than
> one person, but as it is, what we have isn't working.
>
> Therefore, my proposal is simple: redesign www.SugarLabs.org. As a strawman,
> lets say we were to offer, on the main page, jumping off points to the rest
> of our community.
>
> This would include things like:
>
>- Download Sugar (Sends them off to the [[Try Sugar]] wikipage)
>- Explore teaching resources (needs authoring)
>- Solve a problem ([[Sugar help]])
>- Get involved
>
> Of course, we'd need to have these all link to supporting pages, either on
> the wiki or elsewhere, but deciding *how* to organize something is a large
> part of actually producing *usable* content.
>
> We can also find a place to put the current SL.o explanation text, but I
> don't think it should be the sole, central focus of the page.
>
> Comments, criticism, and alternative proposals welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Luke Faraone
> http://luke.faraone.cc
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Re: [IAEP] Sharing work between XOs/SOAS devices

[Gerald Ardito]

Aleksey,

I think option 1 is good. It keeps the "favorites" metaphor from elsewhere
and allows for the sharing of multiple things at the same time.

Thanks.
Gerald

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Aleksey Lim  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:30:22PM -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote:
> > Hello all.
> >
> > As our 5th graders are doing more and more work with their XOs, their
> being
> > able to turn in and share their work products (as opposed to
> collaborating
> > with others) is becoming more and more important.
> >
> > My temporary solution is having them upload their work (along with
> > reflections, if desired) to Moodle, which I can do because we have an XS
> > implementation. However, this means that if a student has created a
> Memorize
> > vocabulary game that s/he want to share s/he has to:
> > 1. Create the game.
> > 2. Save it to the Journal
> > 3. Go to Browse
> > 4. Navigate to Moodle
> > 5. Find the right course/right assignment within the course
> > 6. Upload game.
> >
> > S/he pretty much has to do the same thing to download and then play other
> > games. This is certainly workable, but dramatically slows down the
> momentum
> > of creating games and wanting others to play them.
> >
> > So, I am asking to create/offering to help create an Activity that allows
> > users to share work products easily. I know that Bert was working on
> > something called Distribute, which may be a starting place. It seems to
> > share Journal objects, which seems right.
> >
> > I am happy to work with developers on this. I could create requirements,
> if
> > need be. Just say the word.
> >
> > I look forward to what comes next.
> >
> > Thanks and best,
> > Gerald
>
> What do you think about followed workflows, which is preferable
>
> 1) user, using search controls, minimize list of entries in Journal
>   bookmark this entirely list(names it)
>   share the whole list(bookmark)
>   user can have several bookmarks
>   other users see that 1st user shared some bookmarks and can open
>   these bookmarks in theirs Journal(it could be separate icon like USB)
>   (bookmarks could be useful not only for sharing)
>
> 2) there is no bookmarks
>   user can share any object w/o bookmarking(e.g. by clicking star icon or
> so)
>   other user see only one list of shared objects
>
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[IAEP] Sharing work between XOs/SOAS devices

[Gerald Ardito]

Hello all.

As our 5th graders are doing more and more work with their XOs, their being
able to turn in and share their work products (as opposed to collaborating
with others) is becoming more and more important.

My temporary solution is having them upload their work (along with
reflections, if desired) to Moodle, which I can do because we have an XS
implementation. However, this means that if a student has created a Memorize
vocabulary game that s/he want to share s/he has to:
1. Create the game.
2. Save it to the Journal
3. Go to Browse
4. Navigate to Moodle
5. Find the right course/right assignment within the course
6. Upload game.

S/he pretty much has to do the same thing to download and then play other
games. This is certainly workable, but dramatically slows down the momentum
of creating games and wanting others to play them.

So, I am asking to create/offering to help create an Activity that allows
users to share work products easily. I know that Bert was working on
something called Distribute, which may be a starting place. It seems to
share Journal objects, which seems right.

I am happy to work with developers on this. I could create requirements, if
need be. Just say the word.

I look forward to what comes next.

Thanks and best,
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Future of Zero Sugar

[Gerald Ardito]

Tomeu,

I think your point is well taken.
As a teacher and project manager for a deployment of about 150 XOs and SOAS,
I find the students and teachers really interested in making stuff with
their devices and software (we are in the middle of some cool EToys science
projects at the moment.).

But I think it is another thing to create software. I think being able to
propose software and have some contact with developers to realize those
proposals would be more a more practical pathway in the meantime.

Gerald

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:25, Benjamin M. Schwartz
>  wrote:
> > Aleksey Lim wrote:
> >> So, I have
> >> strong intension to switching development focus from core team,
> >> which develops sucrose - glucose(core) and fructose(some core
> >> activities) to wide range of developers/doers thus some kind of
> >> decentralization of development process.
> >
> > I agree. I think this has been a central part of the Sugar design
> > philosophy from the beginning.  I think your message is very much on the
> > right track.
>
> While I think this is in the spirit of my vision for Sugar, my
> experience with how Sugar is being used and deployed _today_ makes it
> quite uninteresting and too invasive to consider for the near future.
>
> The current barriers for people to contribute to Sugar development and
> share their work are mostly cultural. We can make the technology a
> thousand times easier to modify, but if people still think that they
> can be only users, we won't gain anything.
>
> If we really want more people to realize their power and modify sugar
> and share their work, we need to, in order:
>
> - show how the community can address some of their needs, as perceived by
> them,
>
> - show how they can better address the rest of their needs by working
> within the community.
>
> The rest is just icing on the top, IMHO.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
>
> > [snip]
> >>   * I hope to see many shell forks with implemented features like new
> >> sugar themes(wallpapers support, new icons etc.), Actions view
> >> implementations from non-core development/doers. The benefit they
> >> will have after 0install integration is more useful method to share
> >> these forks - just a regular entity on Activity Library that brings
> >> new shell to user environment
> >
> > I don't think this part will work as "a regular entity on Activity
> > Library", for security reasons.  Any "Activity" that hooks so deeply into
> > the shell is no longer safe to run.  It is running with the full
> authority
> > of the user and can violate the user's privacy or interfere with the
> > user's actions.  In orders to encourage users to become doers, Sugar is
> > designed to make sure that Activities are always safe to run (thanks to
> > Bitfrost/Rainbow protections).
> >
> > I would of course support an effort to "wall off" parts of the shell in a
> > secure fashion, but so far almost no work has been done in that
> direction.
> >
> > --Ben
> >
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Re: [IAEP] Video Editor for the XO?

[Gerald Ardito]

Tomeu and Caryl,

What I have done is set up a network with Ubuntu, including PiTivi. The plan
is to offload the ogg videos from the XOs and have a place to edit them.
It's not perfect, but it works.

Gerald

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 17:02, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
> > Hi SG and Sugar Labs folks...
> >
> > Some time ago I asked about the possibility of a video editor for Sugar.
> I
> > think someone might have been working on one then, but haven't heard
> > anything about it for a long time. Now there is interest again in Latin
> > America. I am translating the dialogue below and the original text is
> below
> > that.
> >
> > What is the status of the video editor project?  It would be really nice
> to
> > have one.
>
> Don't know, but PiTiVi may be a good base on which to base the work.
> Would be useful if someone could give it a try as-is on the XO-1 and
> report back on its performance.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiTiVi
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tomeu
>
>
> > Caryl
> > ___
> > Translated message from the Sur list:
> >
> > Question from Mariana Herrera:
> >
> > Does anyone know if a video editor exists for the XO?
> >
> > Is it possible for  the children to edit the videos they take with their
> > computers?
> >
> > An answer from Horacio Calleros:
> >
> > It appears that the project Colingo (a video editor) has not continued.
> Test
> > to see if this online editor is useful: http://youmashtube.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > Original message in Spanish:
> >
> > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:22:06 -0200
> > From: horacio.calle...@gmail.com
> > To: olpc-...@lists.laptop.org
> > Subject: Re: [Sur] Editor de videos en la Xo?
> >
> > Parece ser que el proyecto de Colingo (editor de video) que no se
> continuó.
> > Probá si http://youmashtube.com/ editor en línea te es útil.
> > Cómo te fue en las clases???;
> > Saludos, nos vemos pronto o en el 2010.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > El 9 de diciembre de 2009 22:44, Mariana Herrera 
> > escribió:
> >
> > Alguien sabe si existe algún editor de videos para las Xo?
> >
> > Es posible que los niños puedan editar los videos que toman en sus
> > computadoras?
> >
> > Gracias.
> >
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Re: [IAEP] Blueberry 2

[Gerald Ardito]

Sean,

Thanks. And thanks for the Strawberry>Blueberry catch.

Gerald

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:02 AM, Sean DALY  wrote:

> Gerald - I'm cc'ing the SoaS list, for someone who can best answer your
> question
>
> (I think you mean Strawberry v1 -> Blueberry v2)
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Gerald Ardito 
> wrote:
> > Congrats to all on Blueberry 2!
> >
> > Is there anyway to upgrade current Blueberry sticks without losing users'
> > work?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Gerald
> >
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[IAEP] Blueberry 2

[Gerald Ardito]

Congrats to all on Blueberry 2!

Is there anyway to upgrade current Blueberry sticks without losing users'
work?

Thanks.
Gerald
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Re: [IAEP] Sharing EToys projects

[Gerald Ardito]

Dave,

It works perfectly!
Thanks for all of the work and the fast turnaround time.

I send you an XO orchestrated wave!

Best,
Gerald

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Dave Bauer  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
>> On 07.12.2009, at 22:08, Dave Bauer wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>
>>> On 07.12.2009, at 21:54, Dave Bauer wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Gerald Ardito 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tomeu,
>>>>
>>>> There is no mime type that I can see. The Journal entry simply says
>>>> File  from .
>>>> This is no different, by the way, when I upload and then download games
>>>> we made in Memorize. However, Memorize will load the downloaded game.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Gerald
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hi, I checked the apache config and added the mime type for the .pr
>>> files. I downloaded the file on my Mac and it got the correct mime type and
>>> offered to open the project in Squeak.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if the filename doesn't play a role on the Mac.
>>>
>>> I tried on soas-strawberry and XO-802 and it did not open etoys from the
>>> journal. Maybe etoys is looking for a different mime-type than
>>> x-application/squeak-project?
>>>
>>>
>>> Try application/x-squeak-project not x-application/...
>>>
>>> It used to work on 802. And it does work in F11_XO1.5/Sugar 0.84 - I just
>>> tried. Just go to Squeakland.org and click the project thumbnail next to
>>> "Jeopardy 3point0" which is the current project of the week.
>>>
>>>
>> Ok, good news! That opens in the etoys plugin in my browser so I will try
>> to change the mime type and test again. Thanks
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Ah well, the plugin embedding code (on Mac/Win/non-sugar Linux) provides
>> its own mime type, so this does not really mean it will work in Sugar, where
>> you do not have (nor need) the plugin.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> OK, I fixed this by adding
>
> 'pr' => array ('type'=>'application/x-squeak-project','icon'=>'video.gif'),
>
> to lib/filelib.php in moodle. Looks like our version of XS did not support
> this mime type for forum uploads in moodle. This should be an XS 0.6
> install.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>>  - Bert -
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Sharing EToys projects

[Gerald Ardito]

Bert,

When I click on the little book that looks to find something in the Journal,
I get a box which looks like text. There seems to rabe a header which has
the project name and other information, but it certainly does not open as a
project.

I also tried the File Dialog object and scrolled down to pick Projects in
the Journal. None were found.

Is there something else I should try? It is so strange because EToys
projects from other sites download just fine.

Thanks for your help.

Gerald
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On 07.12.2009, at 00:31, Gerald Ardito wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > I am working with 140 5th grade students who are using XOs (mostly) and
> netbooks with SOAS.
> > About 50 of them are using Etoys to create projects.
> > I am trying to find a way to share them with their teachers and each
> other.
> > When I try to upload them to a Moodle course and them download them, the
> downloaded files can't be read by EToys.
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> Gerald,
>
> as others have pointed out there seems to be a mime-type issue when
> downloading the project from Moodle.
>
> There is one thing you can try: Run Etoys, and then click the "Insert
> Object" button to load the Journal entry.
>
> Please report back what happens. If Etoys displays the project as a text
> file, please let us know the file extension (the letters after the last dot
> in the text editor's window title bar, you may need to enlarge the window to
> see it fully).
>
> - Bert -
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Sharing EToys projects

[Gerald Ardito]

Tomeu,
One more thing.
If I download Etoys projects from another site, like squeakland.org or
etoysillinois.org, the Etoys icon is associated with the file in the
Journal, and clicking on the file opens EToys properly.

Thanks again.
Gerald

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Gerald Ardito wrote:

> Tomeu,
>
> There is no mime type that I can see. The Journal entry simply says  File <
> filename.pr> from .
> This is no different, by the way, when I upload and then download games we
> made in Memorize. However, Memorize will load the downloaded game.
>
> Thanks.
> Gerald
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 21:31, Gerald Ardito 
>> wrote:
>> > Hello.
>> >
>> > I am working with 140 5th grade students who are using XOs (mostly) and
>> > netbooks with SOAS.
>> > About 50 of them are using Etoys to create projects.
>> > I am trying to find a way to share them with their teachers and each
>> other.
>> > When I try to upload them to a Moodle course and them download them, the
>> > downloaded files can't be read by EToys.
>> >
>> > Any ideas?
>>
>> This uses to be a problem with the mime types. Can you see with which
>> mimetype is downloaded the file from moodle?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tomeu
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Sharing EToys projects

[Gerald Ardito]

Tomeu,

There is no mime type that I can see. The Journal entry simply says  File <
filename.pr> from .
This is no different, by the way, when I upload and then download games we
made in Memorize. However, Memorize will load the downloaded game.

Thanks.
Gerald

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 21:31, Gerald Ardito 
> wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > I am working with 140 5th grade students who are using XOs (mostly) and
> > netbooks with SOAS.
> > About 50 of them are using Etoys to create projects.
> > I am trying to find a way to share them with their teachers and each
> other.
> > When I try to upload them to a Moodle course and them download them, the
> > downloaded files can't be read by EToys.
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> This uses to be a problem with the mime types. Can you see with which
> mimetype is downloaded the file from moodle?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
>
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[IAEP] Sharing EToys projects

[Gerald Ardito]

Hello.

I am working with 140 5th grade students who are using XOs (mostly) and
netbooks with SOAS.
About 50 of them are using Etoys to create projects.
I am trying to find a way to share them with their teachers and each other.
When I try to upload them to a Moodle course and them download them, the
downloaded files can't be read by EToys.

Any ideas?


Thanks.
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Re: [IAEP] noob download Sugar for XO

[Gerald Ardito]

Martin,

Thanks for your input on this.
As you know (I think), I have 140 students working with XO-1s. The devices
are running build 802.
Are your 822 updates ready for production, so to speak?
If so, how would I upgrade my XOs without reflashing them?

Thanks.
Gerald


On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Martin Langhoff
wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Yamandu Ploskonka 
> wrote:
> > I got  http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/official/802/jffs2/os802.img
> > and of course
> http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/official/802/jffs2/fs.zip
>
> There's an 802 "G1G1" that includes activities. Lookie here
>
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.1#If_your_XO_is_not_connected_to_the_internet
>
> it is an oldie, but it is what Uruguay and most deployments are using.
>
> As Walter mentions, I am working on some fixes for that -- you can try
> http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/
>
> > there is also
> > http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/custom/g1g1/gg-767-4/gg-767-4.img
>
> That is older than old! ;-)
>
> > Which brings us of course to Activities.
> > Which ones? version? Where?
>
> The 8.2.2 beta I linked to has mostly-up-to-date activities for that
> (now oldish) release of Sugar.
>
> hth,
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar in the splash screen

[Gerald Ardito]

Walter,

Ok. Thanks.

Gerald


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

> This would initially be for the OLPC XO-1.5 machines. As to how/when
> there will be a new build for the OLPC-XO-1.0 machines, it is a
> subject of heated debate. The issue seems to be finding the resources
> to make the necessary patches to support the graphics systems on the
> XO-1.0 in Fedora 11. (This work has been done for the XO-1.5, but
> since it uses a different graphics subsystem, it is not applicable to
> the XO-1.0.)
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Gerald Ardito 
> wrote:
> > Walter,
> >
> > Does this mean there will be an update to Sugar for the XOs?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Gerald
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Walter Bender 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> OLPC has offered to include a Sugar logo in the splash screen, much
> >> the way the Fedora Remix graphic is included. Problem is, we need
> >> someone to do the work of embedding it.
> >>
> >> According to Ed, "We had substantial difficulties with the Fedora logo
> >> due to the noticeable delay it added to boot time, so some attention
> >> would need to be paid there."
> >>
> >> Anyone out there who would be interested in tackling this?
> >>
> >> thanks.
> >>
> >> -walter
> >>
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar in the splash screen

[Gerald Ardito]

Walter,

Does this mean there will be an update to Sugar for the XOs?

Thanks.
Gerald

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

> OLPC has offered to include a Sugar logo in the splash screen, much
> the way the Fedora Remix graphic is included. Problem is, we need
> someone to do the work of embedding it.
>
> According to Ed, "We had substantial difficulties with the Fedora logo
> due to the noticeable delay it added to boot time, so some attention
> would need to be paid there."
>
> Anyone out there who would be interested in tackling this?
>
> thanks.
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] R: E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry)

[Gerald Ardito]

Caroline,

As I work more and more with EToys with the kids making interactive books, I
agree with you more and more about book creation being important.

Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

Gerald

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Caroline Meeks wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> How low is the floor on this? Could a first or second grader do it?  Can
> they print it out and create a book?
>
> I think book creation should be a big part of our eBook message, and nice
> write ups on a number of different ways for students to do this with Sugar
> might be a great supplement to our Blueberry press releases.
>
> Thanks!
> Caroline
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Jim Simmons  wrote:
>
>> Caroline,
>>
>> I'm unable to watch the YouTube video but if I was a teacher that
>> wanted to have children create their own books I might recommend using
>> View Slides to collect and organize image files created in other
>> tools.  For instance, children could get images from the Internet
>> using Browse, create images using Record or one of the Paint programs,
>> then use View Slides to import them into a slide show and arrange them
>> into sequence by renaming them.
>>
>> Once you have images in sequence like that you could use View Slides
>> to read them like a book, copy them to a thumb drive and read them on
>> a non-Sugar computer using a program like Comix, or unzip them and use
>> a command in Image Magick to create a PDF out of them.  Once you have
>> a PDF like that you could convert it to DJVU with another free
>> utility.
>>
>> View Slides is consistently more popular than any of my other
>> Activities and since there is very little legal content in .cbz format
>> (and illegal content in .cbz format isn't that easy to find either)
>> I've always wondered what people were doing with it.  This might be
>> part of an answer.
>>
>> James Simmons
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:47:25 -0500
>> > From: Caroline Meeks 
>> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SoaS]  R: E-Books for Sugar on a Stick
>> >(Blueberry)
>> >
>> > Going along the same lines but in a different direction then
>> TomeuThis
>> > teacher asked for a simple book creation tool for kids.
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TRcKP1MJQs
>> >
>> > Might not be hard to create a Turtle Art Template that prints in a way
>> that
>> > lets you fold the printed page to create a book.
>>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Wanted: List of Sugar activities for the XO-1.5

[Gerald Ardito]

Chris,

I would suggest at least one of the Activities to get books, like Get IA
Books.

Otherwise, this list looks good.

Thanks.
Gerald

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Chris Ball  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> We'd like your help in coming up with a list of default-installed
> Sugar activities for the XO-1.5 software release.  The current
> activity list, which wasn't chosen with any particular criteria
> or thoughtfulness, is:
>
> Analyze
> Browse
> Calculate
> Chat
> Distance
> Etoys
> Implode
> Infoslicer
> IRC
> Jukebox
> Labyrinth
> Log
> Maze
> Measure
> Memorize
> Moon
> Paint
> Physics
> Pippy
> Read
> Record
> Scratch
> Speak
> TamTam *
> Terminal
> Turtle Art
> Typing Turtle
> Words
> Write
>
> Any suggestions for activities to add?  A reasonable set of criteria
> for looking at the suggestions seems like:
>
> (a) works on 0.84 (and preferably 0.82)
> (b) complete translations for OLPC deployment countries
> (c) reasonably low disk space use
> (d) download popularity on activities.sugarlabs.org
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Chris.
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Re: [IAEP] Students turning in work

[Gerald Ardito]

Tomeu,

Thanks for responding.
I haven't heard back from anyone. I will try to reach out to olpc-sur and
the OLPC learning team.
If you have any ideas, I'm interested.

Thanks.
Gerald

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> 2009/11/13 Gerald Ardito :
> > Hello.
> >
> > I am interested in hearing how teachers have been collecting work from
> students using either the XOs and/or SOAS.
> > I have been playing with the Journal sharing in Strawberry and Moodle as
> possible vehicles.
>
> Hi Gerald,
>
> what's your progress on this? Have considered contacting the wider
> OLPC community? Maybe asking in olpc-sur? Or trying to get in contact
> with OLPC's learning team?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
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Re: [IAEP] What is the purpose of Sugar and the XO?

[Gerald Ardito]

Caryl,

I agree with you on this.
I think, with Sugar (both with and without the XOs) we have a powerful set
of tools for both independent learning and cooperative learning.
Every day, I found myself challenged to help our 5th grade teachers made
their curricula come alive in brand new ways with these tools.

Gerald

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
> I am seeing more and more folks who want free XOs to teach children "IT
> skills" and "computer skills". I think we need to somehow re-emphasize the
> value of the XO as a learning tool for subject matter related to the school
> curriculum and meta learning.
>
> The Sugar software is such an important part of this. All the other
> features of Sugar and the XO-1, which allow the programs to integrate and
> and allow project based, collaborative learning, are important as well.
>
> There are other low-cost laptops that don't do all the wonderful things the
> XO does that would work just as well for learning IT or computer skills. If
> that is all they are interested in, perhaps they should look elsewhere.
>
> Caryl (aka Grumpy Grannie)
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[IAEP] Students turning in work

[Gerald Ardito]

Hello.

I am interested in hearing how teachers have been collecting work from
students using either the XOs and/or SOAS.
I have been playing with the Journal sharing in Strawberry and Moodle as
possible vehicles.

Thanks.
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Re: [IAEP] Sharing question

[Gerald Ardito]

Now, it's just a matter of getting the XOs to run .84 instead of .82.

Thanks.
Gerald

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Walter Bender wrote:

> Yes (at least on 0.84+) you can share journal objects.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Gerald Ardito 
> wrote:
> > I have a question about sharing between XO/Sugar users.
> >
> > I know that people can share activities and how to do that.
> > But I am wanting to share products/files, a painting for example.
> >
> > I know that if you share the activity in which the product is made,
> others
> > will end up with the product. But I was wondering if it was possible to
> > somehow share the image or video or sound file, etc. itself.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Gerald
> >
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[IAEP] Sharing question

[Gerald Ardito]

I have a question about sharing between XO/Sugar users.

I know that people can share activities and how to do that.
But I am wanting to share products/files, a painting for example.

I know that if you share the activity in which the product is made, others
will end up with the product. But I was wondering if it was possible to
somehow share the image or video or sound file, etc. itself.

Thanks.
Gerald
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Re: [IAEP] 'apt-get install sugar-platform' available for Ubuntu9.10.

[Gerald Ardito]

I also had a strange problem, which I replicated (sadly :)).

When I launched Sugar for the first time (and I had the same Browse problem)
and then closed it, I could use the track pad and keyboards, but the mouse
clickers wouldn't work. Removing Sugar did not fix the problem. Both times,
I had to reinstall Ubuntu.

I am working on a Dell Latitude 2100. Everything else I have tried with
Ubuntu has worked fine.

For what it's worth.
Gerald

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Dave Bauer  wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Ryan Kabir  wrote:
> > For what it's worth - the install worked fine for me.
> >
> > Browse doesn't want to load, but I figure that's probably an issue on my
> > part.
>
> I can confirm browse does not work for me either. I tried on 9.10 beta
> and a 9.10 final new install.
> I have not had a chance to collect the logs but I'll be doing that.
>
> Dave
> >
> > Awesome! Great work!
> >
> > Ryan.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Edward Cherlin 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 14:34, Grant Bowman  wrote:
> >> > You may have some other sources in your /etc/apt/source.list file that
> >> > are conflicting.  I've got David's packages installed and running
> >> > without those errors.  I saw errors like that were from the older
> >> > packages.
> >>
> >> I removed the old ppa repositories beforehand.
> >>
> >> > I don't think David's packages uninstall or conflict with the older
> >> > packages yet to make the upgrade as seamless as it soon will be.  You
> >> > can try remove all the older sugar packages.  To find the older
> >> > packages try `dpkg -l | egrep sugar` and then apt-get remove the old
> >> > ones before installing the new ones.
> >>
> >> I did that before installing. I still have the conflict.
> >>
> >> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of sugar-platform:
> >>  sugar-platform depends on olpcsound; however:
> >>  Package olpcsound is not installed.
> >> dpkg: error processing sugar-platform (--configure):
> >>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
> >>
> >> I tried the alternate command
> >>
> >> python /usr/bin/sugar-session &
> >>
> >> which produces an almost usable Sugar session, with lots of missing
> icons.
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] 4997
> >> moku...@mokurai-laptop:~$
> >> ** (sugar-session:4997): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
> >> 'WnckWindowState' as flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum'
> >>
> >> ** (sugar-session:4997): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
> >> 'WnckWindowActions' as flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum'
> >>
> >> ** (sugar-session:4997): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
> >> 'WnckWindowMoveResizeMask' as flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum'
> >>
> >> > Grant Bowman
> >> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Edward Cherlin 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> There seems to be something missing in the repository, or perhaps
> >> >> something else is wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> python-sugar-toolkit-0.86:
> >> >>  Depends: python-sugar-0.86  but it is not installable
> >> >>  Recommends: sugar-0.86  but it is not installable
> >> >>  Recommends: python-carquinyol-0.86  but it is not installable
> >> >>  Recommends: sugar-presence-service-0.86  but it is not installable
> >> >>  Recommends: python-jarabe-0.86  but it is not installable
> >> >>
> >> >> This is named -0.86, but the version listed is 0.85.
> >> >>
> >> >> Leaving that out, and installing the rest,
> >> >>
> >> >> Errors were encountered while processing:
> >> >>  sugar-platform
> >> >>
> >> >> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/olpcsound_1%3a5.10.90-1~ppa2_amd64.deb:
> >> >> trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libcsnd.so.5.2', which is also in
> >> >> package libcsnd5.2 1
> >> >>
> >> >> This is a broken dependency sugar-platform-->olpcsound-->libcsnd5.2
> >> >>
> >> >> Then when I try sugar-emulator, Xephyr starts, but not Sugar.
> >> >>
> >> >> sugar-emulator
> >> >> [dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic,
> >> >> removing from list!
> >> >> [config/dbus] couldn't take over org.x.config:
> >> >> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied (Connection ":1.79" is not
> >> >> allowed to own the service "org.x.config.display101" due to security
> >> >> policies in the configuration file)
> >> >> unrecognised device identifier!
> >> >> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2)
> >> >> unrecognised device identifier!
> >> >> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2)
> >> >> unrecognised device identifier!
> >> >> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2)
> >> >> unrecognised device identifier!
> >> >> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2)
> >> >> unrecognised device identifier!
> >> >> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2)
> >> >> unrecognised device identifier!
> >> >> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2)
> >> >> unrecognised device identifier!
> >> >> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2)
> >> >> unrecognised device identif

Re: [IAEP] What do I want "Big Time" To Be?

[Gerald Ardito]

Caryl,

I will leave it to the developers to answer some of the technical questions.
I just wanted to let you know that I have done this presentation with our
teachers and would love to be of help to you if that would forward what you
are up to.

Good luck!
Gerald

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
>
> When I asked if SoaS was ready for "Big Time", Martin replied, "What do you
> mean?  I'd recommend it but I don't know enough about what you want."
>
> So here is what I mean and want...
>
> I would like to be able to go into a room (or exhbit hall) filled with
> overworked, underpaid educators and while showing them Sugar on the XO, tell
> them they can run some of the same (and some even better) Activities on the
> equipment they already have at their schools... and that they can do it for
> free (free is good).
>
> I would like them to get really excited about being able to get something
> for their students that is not only sound educationally, but that they can
> afford because the download is free. Their only cost is their chosen storage
> media.
>
> I would like to be able to show them how it works on a MacBook (my machine)
> and on a PC (if someone would just tell me how to get one for very little
> $$$). I would like it to be stable software that runs on their choice of
> Live CD or USB stick.
>
> I would like to be able to give them links for downloading it and for
> getting other Activities. I would like to be able to give them links for
> very easy to follow instructions for downloading and using the software.
> And, I would like to be able to give them links to a place they can get help
> if they get stuck.
>
> I know some of these things exist already but, unless I have missed
> something, most of them don't. My next presentation to educators will be at
> the CUELA/LAUSD Tech Fair on November 14.
>
> How much of this is real already?  How much is in the dim and distant
> future? Send links!
>
> Caryl
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Re: [IAEP] Photos From Audubon MS Project

[Gerald Ardito]

Caryl,

I really look forward to what comes next.

Gerald

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

>  Hi Gerald and all,
>
> I have invited the director of the project at Audubon MS to bring 3-4 of
> the students to assist Jamaal and I in having a hands-on session for
> teachers with the XOs at a CUELA/LAUSD tech fair.  It happens in about 3
> weeks. If they come it will be great for them, and the teachers they will be
> assisting.  I'll take pictures and report.
>
> Caryl
>
> --
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:04:55 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Photos From Audubon MS Project
> From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com
> To: cbige...@hotmail.com
> CC: support-g...@laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
>
>
> Caryl,
>
> Thanks for sharing about this project/program.
> What is most interesting (and exciting) to me is that there are trends that
> I see in our (5th grade) program and yours.
>
> Every time that the students get to become owners of the devices and/or
> software, whether by re-imaging the machines or downloading new activities
> or showing another student how to do something, the learning environment
> changes. This is particularly interesting because I also see my 5th graders
> owning the devices as well right from the start. They seem to relate to them
> like they do their cell phone or iPod, and completely unlike how I see them
> interact with typical computers.
>
> We should stay in touch as things develop.
>
> Best,
> Gerald
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
>
>  Hello Gerald, and anyone else who wants to know about the project at
> Audubon MS.
>
> Things have changed a lot with the FAMLI after school program since they
> started their Contributors Program project.  They lost a lot of their
> funding and went from 50+ students down to 20+. They have 10 XOs.  The
> students are in grades 6-8 (ages 11-14) with a couple of older students from
> a nearby high school.  The program runs after school from 3 pm to 6 pm on
> school days and they also meet on Saturdays. They divide their time between
> activities that are physically active to others that are quiet such as
> tutoring and using the XOs. They are also learning music and dance that
> comes from the Black American culture.  Their director, Torre Reese is
> wonderful and the students love him!
>
> The original idea was that, as much as possible, the students would be in
> charge of the project. They have some very bright youngsters in the group
> and this seems to be working out... under adult supervision.
>
> So far there hasn't been a lot of training.  I visited them for the first
> time last week (when I took the pictures), and found they had all mastered
> using the mesh and chatting with the mesh. At that time they didn't have
> internet for the XOs (now they do), but someone managed to download SimCity
> using a router from some local business!
>
> The XOs haven't gone home with the students yet. Security is a *huge*concern. 
> This is south-central Los Angeles.  We are discussing letting the
> students check out the machines when a parent is picking them up and having
> the parent sign it out. The students will help work out these details.
>
> With the help of a great IT professional, Ron Goodall, they now have
> internet. Their hope is to make contact with students their age in other
> countries via the internet.  Meanwhile, they have given their XOs names of
> different countries just for fun.
>
> When I arrived, I discovered they were still running build 767 which came
> with their machines. I happened to have a usb key with 802 on it so I showed
> one of the students (who had been asking all sorts of knowledgeable
> questions about the Sugar OS) how to do it and left the usb key with him.
> Torre reported that the next day he showed the other students how to do it
> and they reflashed all of the machines.
>
> Now that they have updated their software, they will be able to try a lot
> of other things.  I have asked that they do a project for us, evaluating the
> various Activities and suggesting ways that they could be used for learning.
>  They have agreed and we will set that up when I get back from Hawaii.
>
> If anyone knows of other secure email sites for children, in addition to
> ePals, please let me know. EPals requires a teacher to register and monitor
> the accounts. It may be difficult to find an overworked, underpaid LAUSD
> teacher who has the time and is willing to do this.
>
> If you have other questions... just ask!
>
> Caryl
>
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> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:09:01 -0400
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Photos From Audubon MS Project
> From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com
> To: cbige...@hotmail.com
> CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
>
>
> Caryl,
>
> Thanks for sharing these pictures.
> Can you share more details about this project, like:
> How many XOs are there?
> How many students?
> Which grades/age groups?
> How were the teachers/students trained?
>
> We

Re: [IAEP] Photos From Audubon MS Project

[Gerald Ardito]

Caryl,

Thanks for sharing about this project/program.
What is most interesting (and exciting) to me is that there are trends that
I see in our (5th grade) program and yours.

Every time that the students get to become owners of the devices and/or
software, whether by re-imaging the machines or downloading new activities
or showing another student how to do something, the learning environment
changes. This is particularly interesting because I also see my 5th graders
owning the devices as well right from the start. They seem to relate to them
like they do their cell phone or iPod, and completely unlike how I see them
interact with typical computers.

We should stay in touch as things develop.

Best,
Gerald

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

>  Hello Gerald, and anyone else who wants to know about the project at
> Audubon MS.
>
> Things have changed a lot with the FAMLI after school program since they
> started their Contributors Program project.  They lost a lot of their
> funding and went from 50+ students down to 20+. They have 10 XOs.  The
> students are in grades 6-8 (ages 11-14) with a couple of older students from
> a nearby high school.  The program runs after school from 3 pm to 6 pm on
> school days and they also meet on Saturdays. They divide their time between
> activities that are physically active to others that are quiet such as
> tutoring and using the XOs. They are also learning music and dance that
> comes from the Black American culture.  Their director, Torre Reese is
> wonderful and the students love him!
>
> The original idea was that, as much as possible, the students would be in
> charge of the project. They have some very bright youngsters in the group
> and this seems to be working out... under adult supervision.
>
> So far there hasn't been a lot of training.  I visited them for the first
> time last week (when I took the pictures), and found they had all mastered
> using the mesh and chatting with the mesh. At that time they didn't have
> internet for the XOs (now they do), but someone managed to download SimCity
> using a router from some local business!
>
> The XOs haven't gone home with the students yet. Security is a *huge*concern. 
> This is south-central Los Angeles.  We are discussing letting the
> students check out the machines when a parent is picking them up and having
> the parent sign it out. The students will help work out these details.
>
> With the help of a great IT professional, Ron Goodall, they now have
> internet. Their hope is to make contact with students their age in other
> countries via the internet.  Meanwhile, they have given their XOs names of
> different countries just for fun.
>
> When I arrived, I discovered they were still running build 767 which came
> with their machines. I happened to have a usb key with 802 on it so I showed
> one of the students (who had been asking all sorts of knowledgeable
> questions about the Sugar OS) how to do it and left the usb key with him.
> Torre reported that the next day he showed the other students how to do it
> and they reflashed all of the machines.
>
> Now that they have updated their software, they will be able to try a lot
> of other things.  I have asked that they do a project for us, evaluating the
> various Activities and suggesting ways that they could be used for learning.
>  They have agreed and we will set that up when I get back from Hawaii.
>
> If anyone knows of other secure email sites for children, in addition to
> ePals, please let me know. EPals requires a teacher to register and monitor
> the accounts. It may be difficult to find an overworked, underpaid LAUSD
> teacher who has the time and is willing to do this.
>
> If you have other questions... just ask!
>
> Caryl
>
> --
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:09:01 -0400
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Photos From Audubon MS Project
> From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com
> To: cbige...@hotmail.com
> CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
>
>
> Caryl,
>
> Thanks for sharing these pictures.
> Can you share more details about this project, like:
> How many XOs are there?
> How many students?
> Which grades/age groups?
> How were the teachers/students trained?
>
> We should probably talk.
> Gerald
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
>
>  Hi...
>
> Here is a link to the photos from the Audubon Middle School Contributors
> Project. This is an after school program in south central LA that Jamaal
> volunteers with.  I mentor their Contributors Program project:
>
> *http://tiny.cc/kzXwn* 
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Caryl
>
> P.S. I got an email from them today... they now have internet access.
>
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Re: [IAEP] thin clients

[Gerald Ardito]

Deb,

I have been using Sugar on a Stick with Dell Latitude netbooks. So, you can
absolutely use it.
If I can help, just give a shout.

Best,
Gerald

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Deborah Boatwright <
boatwrig...@newmarket.k12.nh.us> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am intrigued by many aspects of Sugar on a Stick.  My school uses Novell
> with Windows XP on the desk top.
>
> Then I have a thin client network using LTSP-KIWI Opensuse that does not
> work well. It is two servers and 72 thin clients.
>
>  I have a mobile laptop lab of 24 PC that are R30 thinkpads.
>
> My question is I found this site and wondered if I can use Sugar as an
> application on my thin clients.
>
> http://en.opensuse.org/Sugar
>
> The district has said it is switching to linux 100% and will use a windows
> application server to deliver apps that are necessary otherwise.
>
> Sincere Regards,
> Deb
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Re: [IAEP] Calculate and SocialCalc Lesson ideas?

[Gerald Ardito]

Caroline,

Edward's suggestions seem good.
Having done this type of sequence with other activities, I can recommend a
flow:

- Brief overview of what might be possible with each Activity
- Introduction of one or two key functions
- Exploration time -- encourage sharing between participants, particularly
when they learn something new
- Introduction of another key function
- Exploration time (as before)
- Discussion - how do they see using the Activity with their students
- Create a project/sample lesson plan from good ideas in the discussion

My experience is that you bring people in slowly and let the power overwhelm
them. Then, they start to generate lots of ideas.

Hope this helps.
Gerald

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Edward Cherlin  wrote:

> I can provide a spreadsheet that I use for monitoring my blood sugar,
> because of my (relatively mild) diabetes.
>
> I recommend that we think about a sequence of lessons on elementary
> probability and statistics based on soccer (except possibly in
> countries where baseball or cricket are the prime national sports). It
> seems to me that this is the numeric topic most likely to rouse
> interest among students while being acceptable to teachers. But I
> would ask children what other questions they have that could be
> answered with a spreadsheet.
>
> The first topic, covering several lessons, is to have multiple
> children doing multiple column data entry, and formula entry and
> validation.
>
> If we can copy a rectangular range of data from one spreadsheet to
> another, we can demonstrate various other workflows and applications,
> such as entering data singly, offline, and merging it in a
> collaborative session.
>
> Later on, someone could do up a spreadsheet for the Net Present Value
> and Return on Investment of one computer for one child over a
> lifetime, with replacements every so many years, and other such
> matters. We could talk about how to evaluate progress on each of the
> UN Millennium Development Goals. We could talk about the spreadsheets
> needed for a microfinance institution and its borrowers.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 14:47, Caroline Meeks
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am working on curriculum for a professional development class for Sugar
> > for elementary school teachers for a class project. The format would be a
> > one-day hands on session followed by online session that are done over
> the a
> > week or two remotely.
> > For one of the online segments I'd like to have the teachers use
> Calculate
> > and/or SocialCalc.  I'm looking for ideas for an interesting activity
> that
> > would help them get hands on experience with the collaborative potential
> of
> > these math activities.
> > If possible I'd like this activity to support some of the other learning
> > goals
> >
> > Helping the teachers see themselves as part of the global Sugar community
> > and as global citizens working to educate the next generation.
> > Valuing and bringing into the classroom the different cultures of their
> > students. In the US teachers have an increasing diverse classroom.
> > Teaching to standards
> > Differentiated instruction
> >
> > Any ideas?
> > --
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> > Solution Grove
> > carol...@solutiongrove.com
> >
> > 617-500-3488 - Office
> > 505-213-3268 - Fax
> >
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Re: [IAEP] Photos From Audubon MS Project

[Gerald Ardito]

Caryl,

Thanks for sharing these pictures.
Can you share more details about this project, like:
How many XOs are there?
How many students?
Which grades/age groups?
How were the teachers/students trained?

We should probably talk.
Gerald

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

>  Hi...
> Here is a link to the photos from the Audubon Middle School Contributors
> Project. This is an after school program in south central LA that Jamaal
> volunteers with.  I mentor their Contributors Program project:
>
> *http://tiny.cc/kzXwn* 
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Caryl
>
> P.S. I got an email from them today... they now have internet access.
>
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Re: [IAEP] The last Sugar XO

[Gerald Ardito]

Claudia,

I have been thinking about trying to write a grant to host a conference for
teachers. The goals would be similar to the programming blitzes earlier on,
where the teachers come together and create best practices, lesson plans,
tips and techniques, etc.

I think the social piece is critical. We expect the students using Sugar/XOs
to be social; the same is true, in my experience, of the teachers. At least
the ones I am working with are really looking forward to connecting with
other teachers.

What do you think?

Gerald

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Claudia Urrea wrote:

> I do believe that Ceibal presents a great opportunity to do great things.
> It is a great opportunity... I believe we all want to be given the
> opportunity to contribute.
>
> The best way to get people to appropriate technology is to have them use it
> in powerful ways. Yes, more documents are needed, but focusing only in XO
> and Sugar, and expect students and children to get comfortable as a strategy
> to get them to do the good things is not going to happen.
>
> Teachers more than students need to good examples.. some have to do with
> specific activities, and others with concepts that can be understood and
> learned by using different activities. Creating examples that are always
> part of a practical experience is good... even when introducing a particular
> feature of the XO, or an activity.
>
> Yama.. i like your article in olpcnews!
>
> Claudia
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:41, Yamandu Ploskonka 
>> wrote:
>> > Yesterday I spent way too much time trying to figure out the different
>> press
>> > articles and opinion pieces in the internet around the delivery of the
>> > "ceibalita" # 396.727, the "last" in Uruguay
>> >
>> > the main thing: Congratulations!
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> > the main thing: it's not enough
>> >
>> > It is clear that the LATU team headed by Ing. Brechner has done an
>> almost
>> > incredible job, and even though there are excellent teachers there
>> "giving
>> > us lessons" internationally, even though there are highly dedicated
>> > volunteers, the use of these machines in the classroom is not a solved
>> > matter.
>> > Even if the most extreme opinions (both ends) are fruit of political
>> > interests, it is getting more and more clear that there is a lot of work
>> to
>> > be done to make the XOs really a useful feature of the classroom
>> >
>> > I say we need to focus on what is easy, to gain buy in by the majority
>> of
>> > teachers
>> >
>> > when using the XO in class is easier for the teacher than giving class
>> > without the XO, we will have won
>>
>> Then we know how to win. I am proposing a guide for teachers on how to
>> help students learn the XO, Sugar, and everything else with a minimum
>> of effort and a maximum of results. Then, as Brian Berry has pointed
>> out, we will need 10,000 topic modules with lesson plans, for every
>> school subject at every age, translated into more than 100 languages.
>> I have a plan for that, too, which I will tell you about later.
>>
>> Let's start with the XO and Sugar. When we can get teachers and
>> students comfortable with all of the features of the XO and Sugar in
>> general, and with certain essential activities, we will be able to
>> turn them loose on the Internet on any topic consisting primarily of
>> information. The harder topics are skills such as math, the arts, and
>> languages, where it is not enough to know. You must be able to _do_.
>> But put that aside, for the moment, along with the learning modules.
>> Let us think about what is required to get basic understanding and
>> competence on an XO with Sugar.
>>
>> I have been collecting the principal obstacles, which are listed at
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.og/go/The_Undiscoverable. We need to think about
>> the order imposed by dependencies, and put together a sequence of
>> lessons covering all of these. I'm ready to get to it, and you are
>> welcome to join in.
>>
>> > I may be wrong, and opinions are welcome
>> >
>> > meanwhile, my article
>> >
>> http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/uruguay/last_xo_laptop_olpc_uruguay.html
>>
>> Thanks. I've started reading it.
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Re: [IAEP] SoaS meetings?

[Gerald Ardito]

Edward,

I would be very interested in working with you on this.
I am in New York, if that helps at all in arranging the time.

Gerald

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Edward Cherlin  wrote:

> I would like to get together with others at some prearranged time to
> work on collaboration in SoaS. I have some ideas about lesson plans
> that need to be tried out, and I need to see whether it will be
> possible to arrange demos for others. If this interests you, we can
> get together on IRC or on the Chat within SoaS.
>
> --
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> Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
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Re: [IAEP] LAUSD/CUELA Tech Fair

[Gerald Ardito]

Caryl,

This is so great. Have fun and I look forward to seeing your PPT at some
point.
I work with about 150 fifth graders and their teachers with XOs and SOAS.

I think the think I would include is that the tools are almost completely
customizable to any learning situation, whether that be by the school, the
classroom, or the student. We were fortunate enough to have Walter spend a
day with us last week, and he kept emphasizing the "low floor, no ceiling"
idea. So many teachers and administrators are used to the technology being
the curriculum (like they have to purchase a math program or reading
program, and then train everyone on that program, etc.). With Sugar, there
are a powerful set of tools that can be used with any curriculum.

I would happy to provide some lesson plan ideas, etc. if that would help.

Have fun!

Gerald

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

>  Hi All,
> On Sat Nov 14 I will have an opportunity to talk with a group of educators
> at the CUELA/LAUSD Tech Fair. I will take my RoadShow In a Box and have a
> presentation as well as hands-on for them.  I will probably also try out the
> survey we were working on last week.
>
> I would love it if everyone who has any special ideas of what I should be
> telling these teachers and administrators about OLPC, the XO-1, the XO-1.5,
> and Sugar in all forms, please send them on to me. I will put together a PPT
> presentation for the event and Jamaal plans to join me to talk about the
> project at Audubon MS.
>
> So, send ideas, links to pictures, and anything you think would be good to
> include.
>
> Thanks!
> Caryl
>
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Re: [IAEP] Montessori madness...

[Gerald Ardito]

I wanted to add something to this conversation.
I am a public middle school science teacher, and, as some of you know, the
technology facilitator in my building working with our 5th grade students
and teachers with a set of 150 XOs.
I am sympathetic to the thread of this conversation about Montessori
schools. "Small classes and passionate teachers," somebody said. I think
that this does a disservice to the passionate teachers in all kinds of
settings (and I work with very passionate teachers). I spend much of my
non-teaching time with teachers who are very interested in transforming
education. They have real demands (state and federal assessments, for
example) along with student needs, parent expectations and demands, etc. But
this does not make them less patient.
I believe that transformation takes place in situ. It does not wait for (or
need) an ideal situation.

My point is that I think that Sugar with and without the XOs has an enormous
possibility of empowering children AND their teachers to do great things.

Best,
Gerald

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Yama Ploskonka  wrote:

> Some sweet old brother already pulled me over once for basically agreeing
> to somebody's post, but I will risk that again.
>
> Martin is so very right here, painfully so considering that with XOs and
> Sugar we are trying some very different options to work.  We are assuming
> that we can use technology to improve over (sometimes very) limited teacher
> skills and other issues.  Of course the saner among us are aware that
> getting rid of teachers will just make things worse.
>
> Yes, dedicated, highly trained, enthusiastic, "smart" teachers with great
> materials, small groups of kids from families who care for education cannot
> but succeed, at least compared to the alternatives.
>
> Let me go a step further than Martin.  Anything, including the bestest and
> newest computer thingie, will fail when the expected enabler is an
> unenthusiastic teacher.
>
> And enthusiasm itself, alas, might not be enough, or at least something
> hard to actually make last long enough so that actual skill, the real deal
> maker, gets a chance to grow in the teacher and kids.
>
> BTW, spending half an hour in a Montessori environment (as claimed in the
> website) will not give you the right picture, which is of an actually *very
> rigid and disciplined set of procedures*, actually the only way that
> exploring and creativity can get anywhere good.
>
> Kids build their perception on their own, but their exploration itself is
> very constrained to specific events and objects in a Montessori classroom,
> with a high degree of follow up and teacher intervention.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Martin Langhoff <
> martin.langh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>> > I've been reading "Montessori Madness" for a few hours now, and I find
>>
>> Another good one is "Montessori Today"
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-Today-Comprehensive-Education-Adulthood/dp/080521061X
>>
>> The funny thing is that since I've been exposed to Bryan Berry's
>> poignant "theory" of education, I can't help looking at Montessori and
>> thinking that it is excellent, but not because Montessori's approach
>> and materials are inherently better.
>>
>> It is excellent because
>>
>>  - Montessori teachers are teachers who are clearly smart and
>> passionate about education, and the school environment (principals,
>> etc) share the smarts and the passion.
>>
>>  - Parents sending kids to a Montessori school are smart and
>> passionate about education.
>>
>>  - The group of kids is small and manageable, so the smart and
>> passionate teachers can work their magic.
>>
>> And that wins. They could teach with computers, or abacuses or post it
>> notes or books written in Esperanto. It's all a catalyst that brings
>> the 3 (purely human!) elements above together. Indirection. A social
>> mind trick.
>>
>> Of course, I like most of Montessori's approach. But remove the human
>> elements and... poof! it's effects will be gone. Montessori strategies
>> in a crowded group with an unenthusiastic teacher have very slim
>> chances.
>>
>> Bryan, you need to postulate your theory more formally :-)
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> m
>> --
>>  martin.langh...@gmail.com
>>  mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect
>>  - ask interesting questions
>>  - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
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[IAEP] Sugar .84 on the XO

[Gerald Ardito]

I could use some help.
I am trying to install Sugar 84 on my XOs, and have followed the copy-nand
instructions on the olpc wiki.
But then, when I reboot the machine, I get an error message saying the
machine will power off in 30 seconds.

What can I do?

Thanks.
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Re: [IAEP] Walter's visit

[Gerald Ardito]

Rita and Edward,

I am very interested in EToys and Scratch.
Last year, one of our 5th grade classes used EToys to create lab reports
after science fair projects. We were really just beginning with the XOs and
EToys, but they were really fascinated with the scripting/programming piece.

And I have used Scratch with my 7th graders, which they loved (me, too).
I have not yet played much with Pippy, and have as a goal for myself
learning Python.

Thanks for your support. If you have tutorials, videos, etc. to share or
would be available for some conversations about utilizing these tools,
please let me know.

Best,
Gerald

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Edward Cherlin  wrote:

> Second Rita's suggestion. The transition from tile-based programming
> in Turtle Art to Etoys projects can be made very easy. The same for
> Scratch. Since Turtle Art can save programs in Logo, it also gives a
> good start to learning the UCBLogo Activity.
>
> This last Saturday I gave a presentation on Learning Python in
> Elementary School at Silicon Valley Code Camp. You use the
> programmable tiles to get students started, including editing in
> Pippy. When students have a good grasp of creating tiles inside TA,
> you can give them the TA code for the tile functions in Python to
> learn from.
>
> Turtle Art also has stack functions, usable for teaching a number of
> Computer Science ideas, or for getting a toe in the water for the
> FORTH provided in Open FirmWare.
>
> Some of us are working on yet other programming languages for the children.
>
> Thanks for the video.
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Rita Freudenberg
>  wrote:
> > Gerald Ardito wrote:
> >> As some of you know, I am a middle school teacher and doctoral student
> >> working with 150 XO laptops in a set of 5th grade classrooms. My
> >> research interest is to see how those devices and the Sugar software
> >> impact the learning environment of the classroom.
> >>
> >> We were fortunate enough to have Walter spend a day with us yesterday.
> >> He spent a session with each our 6 5th grade classrooms, teaching the
> >> children some basics of Turtle Art. He also then spent time with the
> >> teachers and our superintendent. The day was incredibly powerful and
> >> valuable to all of us. At one point, he was even mobbed by students
> >> for his autograph!
> >>
> >> I created a short video of the visit, which you can see here:
> >> http://animoto.com/play/2hVwpobfxD4cs1OMSBlDVg
> >
> > That looks like an amazing day!
> >
> > Gerald, did you ever try Etoys? Please let me know if you are
> > interested, we have teachers who did great things with Etoys in their
> > classroom!
> >
> > http://www.squeakland.org/
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Rita
> >>
> >> Enjoy! Thanks, Walter.
> >>
> >> Gerald
> >> 
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[IAEP] Walter's visit

[Gerald Ardito]

As some of you know, I am a middle school teacher and doctoral student
working with 150 XO laptops in a set of 5th grade classrooms. My research
interest is to see how those devices and the Sugar software impact the
learning environment of the classroom.

We were fortunate enough to have Walter spend a day with us yesterday. He
spent a session with each our 6 5th grade classrooms, teaching the children
some basics of Turtle Art. He also then spent time with the teachers and our
superintendent. The day was incredibly powerful and valuable to all of us.
At one point, he was even mobbed by students for his autograph!

I created a short video of the visit, which you can see here:
http://animoto.com/play/2hVwpobfxD4cs1OMSBlDVg

Enjoy! Thanks, Walter.

Gerald
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Re: [IAEP] Browse download workarounds?

[Gerald Ardito]

Caroline,

I have been playing with this a little bit.
First, I have found that the download works fine on some sites (like
SugarLabs) but poorly on Flickr, especially.
On sites, I choose "copy" rather than "download," which works fine.

Hope this helps.

Gerald

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Caroline Meeks
wrote:

> I am having a great deal of difficulty getting things to download in Browse
> 108 in Strawberry.  I can't get attachments from gmail, photos from Flickr,
> or CAST books.
> I hear things are better in Blueberry and thats cool. Is there any thoughts
> on workarounds until GPA gets on Blueberry?
>
> Today's issue is I'm working on creating a Cartoon Builder of The Very
> Hungry Caterpillar and there is a wonderful picture of 2 pairs in Flickr
> that I want to use but I can't figure out how to download the images.
>
> http://screencast.com/t/PUoBSbJn09M0
>
> Thanks
>
> --
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> Solution Grove
> carol...@solutiongrove.com
>
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Re: [IAEP] Sdenka Salas's book about the xo and sugar

[Gerald Ardito]

Bert,
Thanks so much for sharing this with us.

I am working with 5th grade teachers and students and have been waiting for
something like this.

YIPEE!

Gerald

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On 30.09.2009, at 17:10, Bill Kerr wrote:
>
> > from walter's digest:
> > 2. Sdenka Salas, a teacher who is working with Andean children from
> > Aymara and Quechua communities, wrote a book in April about using
> > Sugar in the classroom. She recently completed the English-language
> > version. She has kindly made it available for download (See
> > [http://www.scribd.com/doc/20189623/The-XO-Laptop-in-the-Classroom]).
> >
> > I just had a quick look at this and it looks great -
>
> Go here to download the PDF:
>
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sdenka_Salas_-_The_XO_Laptop_in_the_Classroom
>
> - Bert -
>
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Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Hamilton,

Here's what ended up working:
1. I removed Write using rpm, as you indicated.
2. I downloaded Write 63 from the Sugar wiki site.
3. I restarted the machine.
4. Write 63 started like it should have.

So, I have a solution to my deployment if need be.

Can someone update me on whether a new build is happening, and, if so, when?

Thanks everyone.

Gerald

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Hamilton Chua wrote:

> Gerald,
>
> It seems the kickstart file I use installed the write activity via rpm.
> I don't know if this is possible from a usb stick but it might be worth
> a try.
>
> Can you try to remove the rpm by doing
>
> rpm -e sugar-write
>
> and then try to install the activity ?
>
> Aleksey pointed me to recent changes to the kickstart files which allow
> one to specify the versions of the activities compatible with sugar
> 0.84.
>
> I will have a new spin out with the problem hopefully corrected soon.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hamilton
>
> On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 23:22 -0400, Gerald Ardito wrote:
> >
> > Caroline,
> >
> > I tried to do just that. I cannot erase the version of Write that's
> > there, and I cannot install the new one. It downloads just fine and
> > appears in the Journal, but will not install.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Gerald
> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Caroline Meeks
> >  wrote:
> > Gerald,
> >
> >
> > You should be able to take your master stick, delete Write,
> > goto the Activities.sl.o, download the correct version and all
> > should be well, at least for write.
> >
> >
> > I haven't actually heard from Ham yet, there is a major flood
> > in his area so there maybe a delay.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Gerald Ardito
> >  wrote:
> > Caroline,
> >
> > No problem.
> > Just let me know when we have a working image. I am
> > really close to deploying SOAS on our Dells!
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Caroline Meeks
> >  wrote:
> > Thank you all for your help!
> >
> >
> > I'll alert Ham who is our build master and if
> > his computer is above water after all the
> > flooding in the Manila area I'm sure he'll fix
> > it soon.
> >
> >
> > I'm sure this bug is in our GPA build too so
> >     thank you Gerald for testing!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Gary C
> > Martin  wrote:
> > Hi Gerald,
> >
> > Many thanks for the feedback.
> >
> >
> > On 27 Sep 2009, at 02:52, Gerald
> > Ardito wrote:
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > This image came from Caroline
> > Meeks at Solution Grove. It
> > came as part of a version of
> > SOAS that she put together for
> > me.
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> > OK, looks like a SoaS build mistake.
> >
> > Caroline, just a quick ping. Checking
> > activities.sugarlabs.org, it tells me
> > Write-63 was the last version
> > compatible with Sugar 0.84.x. I
> > believe Aleksey started working on the
> > new 0.85.x toolbar code as of version
> > 64, breaking compatibility with
> > earlier versions of Sugar:
> >
> >
> >
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4201
> >
> > Regards,
> > --Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Caroline Meeks
> > Solution Grove
> > carol...@solutiongrove.com
> >
> > 617-500-3488 - Office
> > 505-213-3268 - Fax
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Caroline Meeks
> > Solution Grove
> > carol...@solutiongrove.com
> >
> > 617-500-3488 - Office
> > 505-213-3268 - Fax
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Hamilton,

Thanks. I'll try that.
And thanks for your support with this project.

Gerald


On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Hamilton Chua wrote:

> Gerald,
>
> It seems the kickstart file I use installed the write activity via rpm.
> I don't know if this is possible from a usb stick but it might be worth
> a try.
>
> Can you try to remove the rpm by doing
>
> rpm -e sugar-write
>
> and then try to install the activity ?
>
> Aleksey pointed me to recent changes to the kickstart files which allow
> one to specify the versions of the activities compatible with sugar
> 0.84.
>
> I will have a new spin out with the problem hopefully corrected soon.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hamilton
>
> On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 23:22 -0400, Gerald Ardito wrote:
> >
> > Caroline,
> >
> > I tried to do just that. I cannot erase the version of Write that's
> > there, and I cannot install the new one. It downloads just fine and
> > appears in the Journal, but will not install.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Gerald
> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Caroline Meeks
> >  wrote:
> > Gerald,
> >
> >
> > You should be able to take your master stick, delete Write,
> > goto the Activities.sl.o, download the correct version and all
> > should be well, at least for write.
> >
> >
> > I haven't actually heard from Ham yet, there is a major flood
> > in his area so there maybe a delay.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Gerald Ardito
> >  wrote:
> > Caroline,
> >
> > No problem.
> > Just let me know when we have a working image. I am
> > really close to deploying SOAS on our Dells!
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Caroline Meeks
> >  wrote:
> > Thank you all for your help!
> >
> >
> > I'll alert Ham who is our build master and if
> > his computer is above water after all the
> > flooding in the Manila area I'm sure he'll fix
> > it soon.
> >
> >
> > I'm sure this bug is in our GPA build too so
> >     thank you Gerald for testing!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Gary C
> > Martin  wrote:
> > Hi Gerald,
> >
> > Many thanks for the feedback.
> >
> >
> > On 27 Sep 2009, at 02:52, Gerald
> > Ardito wrote:
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > This image came from Caroline
> > Meeks at Solution Grove. It
> > came as part of a version of
> > SOAS that she put together for
> > me.
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> > OK, looks like a SoaS build mistake.
> >
> > Caroline, just a quick ping. Checking
> > activities.sugarlabs.org, it tells me
> > Write-63 was the last version
> > compatible with Sugar 0.84.x. I
> > believe Aleksey started working on the
> > new 0.85.x toolbar code as of version
> > 64, breaking compatibility with
> > earlier versions of Sugar:
> >
> >
> >
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4201
> >
> > Regards,
> > --Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Caroline Meeks
> > Solution Grove
> > carol...@solutiongrove.com
> >
> > 617-500-3488 - Office
> > 505-213-3268 - Fax
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Caroline Meeks
> > Solution Grove
> > carol...@solutiongrove.com
> >
> > 617-500-3488 - Office
> > 505-213-3268 - Fax
> >
> >
>
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Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Caroline,

I tried to do just that. I cannot erase the version of Write that's there,
and I cannot install the new one. It downloads just fine and appears in the
Journal, but will not install.

Any ideas?

Gerald
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Caroline Meeks  wrote:

> Gerald,
> You should be able to take your master stick, delete Write, goto the
> Activities.sl.o, download the correct version and all should be well, at
> least for write.
>
> I haven't actually heard from Ham yet, there is a major flood in his area
> so there maybe a delay.
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Gerald Ardito wrote:
>
>> Caroline,
>>
>> No problem.
>> Just let me know when we have a working image. I am really close to
>> deploying SOAS on our Dells!
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Caroline Meeks <
>> carol...@solutiongrove.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for your help!
>>> I'll alert Ham who is our build master and if his computer is above water
>>> after all the flooding in the Manila area I'm sure he'll fix it soon.
>>>
>>> I'm sure this bug is in our GPA build too so thank you Gerald for
>>> testing!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks for the feedback.
>>>>
>>>> On 27 Sep 2009, at 02:52, Gerald Ardito wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Gary,
>>>>>
>>>>> This image came from Caroline Meeks at Solution Grove. It came as part
>>>>> of a version of SOAS that she put together for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerald
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, looks like a SoaS build mistake.
>>>>
>>>> Caroline, just a quick ping. Checking activities.sugarlabs.org, it
>>>> tells me Write-63 was the last version compatible with Sugar 0.84.x. I
>>>> believe Aleksey started working on the new 0.85.x toolbar code as of 
>>>> version
>>>> 64, breaking compatibility with earlier versions of Sugar:
>>>>
>>>>http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4201
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> --Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Caroline Meeks
>>> Solution Grove
>>> carol...@solutiongrove.com
>>>
>>> 617-500-3488 - Office
>>> 505-213-3268 - Fax
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> Solution Grove
> carol...@solutiongrove.com
>
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Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Caroline,

No problem.
Just let me know when we have a working image. I am really close to
deploying SOAS on our Dells!

Gerald

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Caroline Meeks
wrote:

> Thank you all for your help!
> I'll alert Ham who is our build master and if his computer is above water
> after all the flooding in the Manila area I'm sure he'll fix it soon.
>
> I'm sure this bug is in our GPA build too so thank you Gerald for
> testing!!!
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
>
>> Hi Gerald,
>>
>> Many thanks for the feedback.
>>
>> On 27 Sep 2009, at 02:52, Gerald Ardito wrote:
>>
>>  Gary,
>>>
>>> This image came from Caroline Meeks at Solution Grove. It came as part of
>>> a version of SOAS that she put together for me.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>
>> OK, looks like a SoaS build mistake.
>>
>> Caroline, just a quick ping. Checking activities.sugarlabs.org, it tells
>> me Write-63 was the last version compatible with Sugar 0.84.x. I believe
>> Aleksey started working on the new 0.85.x toolbar code as of version 64,
>> breaking compatibility with earlier versions of Sugar:
>>
>>http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4201
>>
>> Regards,
>> --Gary
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Caroline Meeks
> Solution Grove
> carol...@solutiongrove.com
>
> 617-500-3488 - Office
> 505-213-3268 - Fax
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Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Makes sense.
I'll follow up with Caroline.

Thanks so much.
Gerald

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Luke Faraone  wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 21:52, Gerald Ardito wrote:
>
>> This image came from Caroline Meeks at Solution Grove. It came as part of
>> a version of SOAS that she put together for me.
>
>
> Okay. It seems like somehow a later version of Write was added to the SoaS
> image than the version of Sugar could support. This is not a SoaS bug, but
> rather one that should be sent to the image creator.
>
> --
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Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Gary,

This image came from Caroline Meeks at Solution Grove. It came as part of a
version of SOAS that she put together for me.

Gerald

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Gary C Martin  wrote:

> Hi Gerald,
>
> On 27 Sep 2009, at 01:35, Gerald Ardito wrote:
>
>  Walter,
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion.
>> When I examine the log file, here's what I see:
>> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25: DeprecationWarning: the
>> sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead
>>  import sha
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>  File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 21, in 
>>main.main()
>>  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py", line 105,
>> in main
>>module = __import__(module_name)
>>  File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Write.activity/AbiWordActivity.py",
>> line 35, in 
>>from sugar.graphics.toolbarbox import ToolbarButton, ToolbarBox
>> ImportError: No module named toolbarbox
>>
>
> The new version of Write is only compatible with 0.86 (or 0.85.x
> development versions with the new toolbar code). Can you tell me where you
> downloaded Write from? The activities.sugarlabs.org site should not have
> let you download this version if you are running an old (0.84.x or earlier)
> version of Sugar.
>
> Regards,
> --Gary
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

[Gerald Ardito]

Walter,

Thanks for the suggestion.
When I examine the log file, here's what I see:
/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25: DeprecationWarning: the
sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead
  import sha
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 21, in 
main.main()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py", line 105,
in main
module = __import__(module_name)
  File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Write.activity/AbiWordActivity.py", line
35, in 
from sugar.graphics.toolbarbox import ToolbarButton, ToolbarBox
ImportError: No module named toolbarbox


On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Walter Bender wrote:

> I don't know what is on the Solution Grove iso, but you can probably
> get a hint as to why Write is failing to launch by examining the log
> file for Write, which is available through the Log activity.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Gerald Ardito 
> wrote:
> > I am using this version of SOAS:
> > http://www.solutiongrove.com/soas-st-20090918-ss.iso
> >
> > When I try to open Write, the icon flashes as though it will open. Then,
> the
> > process stops and I am returned to the Home view.
> >
> > I also try to download and install another version of the activity, which
> > does not work. The activity downloads but won't open.
> >
> > Ideas?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Gerald
> >
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[IAEP] SOAS Write problem

[Gerald Ardito]

I am using this version of SOAS:
http://www.solutiongrove.com/soas-st-20090918-ss.iso

When I try to open Write, the icon flashes as though it will open. Then, the
process stops and I am returned to the Home view.

I also try to download and install another version of the activity, which
does not work. The activity downloads but won't open.

Ideas?


Thanks.
Gerald
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[IAEP] XS Timeout issue (maybe)

[Gerald Ardito]

Hello,

I have been testing an XS.
We are in NY and the server is in Boston.

I have set the Mesh Server on the XOs (in the Control Panel) for the
server's URL, and edited /etc/hosts on the XOs to point toward the server's
IP address.

The devices connect just fine, and I can collaborate on activities between
some machines.

I am noticing the following things:
1. In the Neighborhood view on the XOs, different devices seem to drop off
at irregular intervals. I don't understand why this is happening.
2. Even after a device has been shut down, it still appears in the
Neighborhood view on the other devices until they are restarted.
3. I don't' see all the devices in the Neighborhood view at any one time.

All of this seems different that how I understand how XS is supposed to
work.

So, some questions:
1. Is there some timeout function on the server? If so, can it be
customized?
2. Is there any limit to the number of connections made to an XS from one IP
address? I am thinking that since these devices are all coming from my
school, they are all leaving the building with one IP address.
3. If there is such a limit, can anything be done about this?

Thanks. My plan is to deploy 150 machines in the next two weeks, so any help
will be greatly appreciated.

Gerald
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact

[Gerald Ardito]

Caroline,

We have.
The teachers are excited. We haven't gotten to play so much with it yet, but
we will.

Gerald

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Caroline Meeks wrote:

> I'm listening to the June 2009 podcast asking for a mindmap. Have you found
> Labyrinth?
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Gerald Ardito wrote:
>
>> I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research findings.
>> You can visit it here:
>> http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html
>>
>> I would appreciate any questions or feedback.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > This literature review is fantastic.
>>> >
>>> > I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County,
>>> NY, and
>>> > am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is
>>> > investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar of
>>> > course) on their independence.
>>> >
>>> > We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the
>>> results
>>> > if anyone is interested.
>>>
>>> We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from
>>> governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging
>>> from costs to educational outcomes.
>>>
>>> > Best,
>>> > Gerald Ardito
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM,  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf
>>> >>
>>> >> ___
>>> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ___
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>>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
>>> http://earthtreasury.org/
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact

[Gerald Ardito]

I really like that phrase, "Sugar sweet-spot."
I completely agree.

Gerald

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Walter Bender wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Gerald Ardito 
> wrote:
> > Walter,
> >
> > It just happens that in my district the 5th graders are in the middle
> > school.
> > I consider them elementary students and they are still taught in an
> > elementary school fashion.
> >
> > Does that make sense?
>
> Sure. 5th graders are a Sugar sweet-spot :)
>
> -walter
>
> > Gerald
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Walter Bender 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Gerald,
> >>
> >> I am curious about your choice to evaluate a middleschool as opposed
> >> to an elementary school. Sugar and the OLPC XO were designed for
> >> elementary-school-aged children.
> >>
> >> regards.
> >>
> >> -walter
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Gerald Ardito  >
> >> wrote:
> >> > Ian,
> >> >
> >> > I am just starting, and will be collecting baseline data.
> >> > And my principal and superintendent and the teachers are on board for
> >> > the
> >> > kind of disruption, which is great.
> >> >
> >> > More as it happens.
> >> > Gerald
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Ian Thomson  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Gerald,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Very interested in your project and research.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you manage to gather any baseline data on the students as
> >> >> independent
> >> >> learners before the project started?
> >> >>
> >> >> Also interested to know if the school authorities and the teachers
> >> >> understood the disruptive nature of the project and their commitment
> to
> >> >> including the whole school if the results are positive.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Ian Thomson
> >> >>
> >> >> RICS and OLPC Coordinator
> >> >>
> >> >> Noumea
> >> >>
> >> >> SPC
> >> >>
> >> >> Phone +687 26 01 44
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> >> [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Ardito
> >> >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:39 AM
> >> >> To: Edward Cherlin
> >> >> Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> >> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research
> findings.
> >> >> You can visit it here:
> >> >> http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html
> >> >>
> >> >> I would appreciate any questions or feedback.
> >> >>
> >> >> Gerald
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin  >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito
> >> >> 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This literature review is fantastic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester
> County,
> >> >> > NY,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project
> is
> >> >> > investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and
> Sugar
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > course) on their independence.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the
> >> >> > results
> >> >> > if anyone is interested.
> >> >>
> >> >> We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from
> >> >> governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging
> >> >> from costs to educational outcomes.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Best,
> >> >> > Gerald Ardito
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM,  wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> see
> http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ___
> >> >> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> >> >> >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ___
> >> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> >> >> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin
> >> >> Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
> >> >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
> >> >> http://earthtreasury.org/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > ___
> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> >> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Walter Bender
> >> Sugar Labs
> >> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact

[Gerald Ardito]

Walter,

It just happens that in my district the 5th graders are in the middle
school.
I consider them elementary students and they are still taught in an
elementary school fashion.

Does that make sense?

Gerald

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Walter Bender wrote:

> Gerald,
>
> I am curious about your choice to evaluate a middleschool as opposed
> to an elementary school. Sugar and the OLPC XO were designed for
> elementary-school-aged children.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Gerald Ardito 
> wrote:
> > Ian,
> >
> > I am just starting, and will be collecting baseline data.
> > And my principal and superintendent and the teachers are on board for the
> > kind of disruption, which is great.
> >
> > More as it happens.
> > Gerald
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Ian Thomson  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Gerald,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Very interested in your project and research.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Did you manage to gather any baseline data on the students as
> independent
> >> learners before the project started?
> >>
> >> Also interested to know if the school authorities and the teachers
> >> understood the disruptive nature of the project and their commitment to
> >> including the whole school if the results are positive.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ian Thomson
> >>
> >> RICS and OLPC Coordinator
> >>
> >> Noumea
> >>
> >> SPC
> >>
> >> Phone +687 26 01 44
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Ardito
> >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:39 AM
> >> To: Edward Cherlin
> >> Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research findings.
> >> You can visit it here:
> >> http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html
> >>
> >> I would appreciate any questions or feedback.
> >>
> >> Gerald
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito  >
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > This literature review is fantastic.
> >> >
> >> > I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County,
> NY,
> >> > and
> >> > am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is
> >> > investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar
> of
> >> > course) on their independence.
> >> >
> >> > We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the
> >> > results
> >> > if anyone is interested.
> >>
> >> We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from
> >> governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging
> >> from costs to educational outcomes.
> >>
> >> > Best,
> >> > Gerald Ardito
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM,  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf
> >> >>
> >> >> ___
> >> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> >> >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ___
> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> >> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin
> >> Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
> >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
> >> http://earthtreasury.org/
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ___
> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact

[Gerald Ardito]

Ian,

I am just starting, and will be collecting baseline data.
And my principal and superintendent and the teachers are on board for the
kind of disruption, which is great.

More as it happens.
Gerald

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Ian Thomson  wrote:

>  Hi Gerald,
>
>
>
> Very interested in your project and research.
>
>
>
> Did you manage to gather any baseline data on the students as independent
> learners before the project started?
>
> Also interested to know if the school authorities and the teachers
> understood the disruptive nature of the project and their commitment to
> including the whole school if the results are positive.
>
>
>
> Ian Thomson
>
> RICS and OLPC Coordinator
>
> Noumea
>
> SPC
>
> Phone +687 26 01 44
>
>
>
> *From:* iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:
> iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] *On Behalf Of *Gerald Ardito
> *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2009 10:39 AM
> *To:* Edward Cherlin
> *Cc:* iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
>
>
>
> I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research findings.
> You can visit it here:
> http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html
>
> I would appreciate any questions or feedback.
>
> Gerald
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin 
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito 
> wrote:
> >
> > This literature review is fantastic.
> >
> > I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County, NY,
> and
> > am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is
> > investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar of
> > course) on their independence.
> >
> > We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the
> results
> > if anyone is interested.
>
> We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from
> governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging
> from costs to educational outcomes.
>
>
> > Best,
> > Gerald Ardito
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM,  wrote:
> >>
> >> see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf
> >>
> >> ___
> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >
> >
> > ___
> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >
>
>
>  --
>
> Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin
> Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
> http://earthtreasury.org/
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact

[Gerald Ardito]

I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research findings.
You can visit it here:
http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html

I would appreciate any questions or feedback.

Gerald

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin  wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito 
> wrote:
> >
> > This literature review is fantastic.
> >
> > I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County, NY,
> and
> > am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is
> > investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar of
> > course) on their independence.
> >
> > We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the
> results
> > if anyone is interested.
>
> We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from
> governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging
> from costs to educational outcomes.
>
> > Best,
> > Gerald Ardito
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM,  wrote:
> >>
> >> see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf
> >>
> >> ___
> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >
> >
> > ___
> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin
> Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
> http://earthtreasury.org/
>
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-09-16

[Gerald Ardito]

Walter,

Your report from the meeting from Washington is inspiring. Particularly, the
"what are we waiting for."
As you know, I am in the process of documenting similar outcomes as part of
a doctoral study for a deployment here in the US. It would be great, though,
to work with these folks to see the bigger picture of what's happening.

I also think the total cost of ownership piece is particularly eye-opening.

Gerald

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Walter Bender wrote:

> === Sugar Digest ===
>
> 1. At the urging of Yama Ploskonka, I went to Washington to the
> Interamerican Development Bank (IADB) to attend a seminar
> [http://www.iadb.org/news/detail.cfm?Language=English&id=5654],
> “Reinventing the Classroo: Social and Educational Impact of the
> Incorporation of Technologies” as part of an ICT for education
> program.
>
> The stated workshop objectives were: " (i) Understand development
> experiences and case studies national projects for the integration of
> Information Technology and Communication in education systems, (ii)
> Discuss how these projects impact on student learning and in
> developing countries, and (iii) Share about challenges of evaluation
> and monitoring initiatives at national and regional levels."
>
> My objective was to catch up with people leading the various efforts
> in the region in order to acquaint them with what we are doing at
> Sugar Labs.
>
> I missed the opening remarks, but was able to attend the panel
> discussions: one about implementations and one about “lessons and
> challenges.”
>
> It seems that still too many people see ICT as a goal of rather than a
> means to learning, but it was nonetheless great to get a clearer
> picture of the various projects in the region.
>
> Miguel Brechner, director of LATU and the force behind Project CEIBAL
> [http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/] in Uruguay, gave a passionate talk about
> all that they have accomplished. The bottom line: It is possible, so
> what are the rest of  you waiting for? Among Miguel's “Lessons from
> Uruguay” was a detailed break down of the total cost of ownership
> across four years: US$ 276. This includes the cost of the laptop,
> connectivity—every child in Uruguay gets free Internet access
> ($31/child/year), servers, spares, maintenance, logistics, delivery,
> operating costs, et al. Uruguay has already distributed 380,000
> laptops to more than 2000 schools and trained more than 18,000
> teachers. They have 500 support teachers and 1500 support volunteers
> helping with training and deployment. In terms of evaluation, there
> has been little opportunity to report any longitudinal assessments of
> impact of the deployments are relatively recent, but the early
> indicators are worth noting:
>
> * The teachers are driving the change;
> * There is an increase in attendance;
> * There is an increase in overall motivation ;
> * There is more motivation to do homework ;
> * There is less time spent watching television;
> * There is an increase in parent involvement ;
> * There is more motivation to go to school ;
> * There is an increase in self-esteem ;
> * There is an increase in interest in learning.;
> * There is a dramatic drop in repeated grades;
> * There is an increase in basic skills to use computer;
> * There is an increased trend to collaboration and sharing ;
>
> 220,000 homes now have computers through Project CEIBAL. Computer
> penetration in the the poorest households exceeds the  national
> average.
>
> Jorge Pedreira , deputy minster of educational Portugal described
> Magalhães , which is being deployed nationwide in Portugal. It is a
> project of inclusion that is leaning heavily on telcom industry
> partnerships to provide subsidized laptops and connectivity. There is
> an emphasis on ICT training and school administration enhancements
> through ICT. For the elementary-aged students, there is a local spin
> the Classmate PC. They have reached 370,000 students with a dual-boot
> machine: Windows XP and Caixa Mágica. (Sugar runs on their hardware—I
> made sure to show the  deputy minster at the coffee break.) Their
> strategy is: ICT changes education and thus society and this project
> is a way to get ICT into the classroom .  Pedreira made the point that
> we need to assess assessment as the children have  new competencies
> that are not part of the standard metrics.
>
> Alicia Banuelos, Rector at La Punta University described the San Luis
> Digital Project in San Luis, Argentina. San Luis is a wealthy
> province—wealthy enough to self-fund a comprehensive program that
> includes connectivity and computing throughout the community. For the
> younger children, they have instituted 1-to-1 computing also using
> Classmate PCs (~7000 computers) running Windows XP. She reported some
> improvements in language and math scores—she emphasized that the
> improvement was in both rural and urban schools. She also mentioned
> that every child is learning chess. Not sure how that impacts the
> control, 

Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact

[Gerald Ardito]

This literature review is fantastic.

I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County, NY, and
am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is
investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar of
course) on their independence.

We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the results
if anyone is interested.

Best,
Gerald Ardito

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM,  wrote:

> see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf
>
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