Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-uruguay] [Sur] Edujam 2012 sera mejor que Edujam 2011

2012-02-12 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
2012/2/10 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com


 On Feb 9, 2012 8:40 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
  As to your various questions regarding programming, the answer is, it
 depends.

 Creo que Walter aqui esta reaccionando a intentos excesivos de definir
 programar y escribir codigo.

 Visto de afuera, esto de programar es misterioso. Es como la disciplina de
 escribir. Para quien no puede leer y escribir facilmente, es dificil de
 imaginar que escribir no es un comportamiento unificado.


Nacemos en un mundo rodeados de letras y sonidos. Hablar en un idioma se
nos hace natural, como de fabrica, casi que es parte de algún gen
evolucionado en millones de millones de años luz. Se supone, que
el próximo paso al habla sera la escritura, super_archi_hiper estimulada.
Hablar/escribir son dos saberes muy bien amasados o forzados desde los
primeros minutos de vida.  Sospecho que los niños, en gran parte, inician
la escuela con una dosis (muy alta o muy baja, pero dosis al fin) de horas
en jugar amasando la plastilina del hablar/dibujar/escribir. Un niño no
escolar, puede dibujar la palabra mafalda o ben 10 sin saber escribir
(codificar).

Con la programación, vivimos (y sufrimos/pensamos) experiencias
cotidianas. Por ejemplo: subir/bajar una escalera debemos calcular
aplicar lógica sobre los pasos a dar en relación al equilibro con el
resto del cuerpo. Cambiar un pañal. Un bb para para comer debe
llorar(programación animal :) ). Pasos para abrir una puerta. Pasos para la
germinación del porotoy así!

De movida, relacionamos la palabra programar con un rincón de
la informática(mateticas/lógica).  Entonces asumimos, que para programar
debemos escribir código  (el misterio) informático. Nos olvidamos que
podemos codificar pasos con el abecedario, o con Morph(etoys) o con
Bloques(tottugar) o dibujando sobre la tierra con solo una rama.

Quizás, sin darnos cuenta, programamos sin saber a ciencias ciertas que
estamos calculando o aplicando lógica. En un ámbito educativo, o no, eso de
enseñar sin enseñar y sin codificar debe ser complejo.

¿Por que sera que Actividades como logo, tortuart, etoys casi no son
usadas/ resistidas?
¿Por que la programación es misteriosa ?.
¡No lo se! :-)


 un abrazo,


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Re: [IAEP] Promoting Pablo Flores to CEO of Activity Central

2011-12-06 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
Come on (Arriba!; a lo Uruguayo ) and... keep walking :-)

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Farning
dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote:
 I am proud to announce that we are promoting Pablo Flores as the new
 CEO of Activity Central.

 Pablo has a strong background in all things OLPC and Sugar from his
 time at Plan Ceibal, leadership in Ceibal Jam, and most recently
 as community architect for Activity Central.

 Pablo and the rest of the Activity Central team will continue the core
 AC mission of providing service and support for deployments.

 I will continue my work in the Sugar/OLPC ecosystem by focusing on the
 junction point between deployment technical teams and education teams.
 My research so far has lead me to the notion of learning objects.
 While poorly defined in the education literature, the vocabulary around
 learning objects seems to lends itself to the intersection of technical
 personal and education personal in early childhood education.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sur] [Local Labs] Propuesta Consejo de Coordinadores Era: Delegado de cada grupo requerido y propuesta

2011-06-03 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
2011/6/3 Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com:
 2011/6/3 Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.org:
 Hola Gustavo,
 En buena hora que preguntas.
 El estatus que manejamos es:
 * Perú: Kiko Mayorga se ofreció y ha sido informalmente confirmado por el
 grupo. Copio a to...@somosazucar.org
 * Colombia:  Se ha ofrecido Laura Vargas. Esperamos aún confirmación del
 grupo. Copio a sugarlabsc...@co.sugarlabs.org
 * Argentina: Pude ver el proceso en la lista sugar-ar. Gustavo Ibarra
 propuesto y confirmado.
 * Uruguay:  No hemos tenido noticias pero supimos que tuvieron una asamblea
 y preparan elecciones de directiva. Copio a olpc-uruguay.
 * Chile: Copio a Werner y Patricio para saber si lo han conversado.
 * Paraguay: No he tenido noticias. Habría que intentar contactarlos
 directamente.


 Necesariamente el representante tiene que pertenecer a alguna
 organizacion local? En Paraguay, tenemos a Paraguay Educa en ese caso.

Hola Martin!
Bienvenido Paraguay Educa y toda su gente encabezada por
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Pacita
Si no, bienvenido un nuevo local labs Paraguayo!

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[IAEP] TurtleArt (Sugar) + Icaro = Tortucaro - por/by Valentin Basel

2011-04-23 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
Para mas información leer en/ To learn more about it
http://proyectofedora.org/argentina/?p=320

¡Excelente Valetin!

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Re: [IAEP] Any olpc/Sugar/ICT4E people in Spain?

2011-03-20 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not an OLPC project, but there is a lot of Linux in the schools in
 Extremadura. You could talk to the local government about using Sugar
 on their laptops.

 http://news.squeak.org/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/

more related links:
http://tinyurl.com/5w7ocee
http://squeak.educarex.es/Squeakpolis
squeakpo...@juntaextremadura.net

Diego an José L worked in the squeak inextremadura project and as
far as iknow they live in spain

Diego Gomez Deckdiegogomezd...@consultar.com
José L. Redrejo Rodríguez jredr...@edu.juntaextremadura.net


 Have you asked on the OLPC-SUR list?

 There seems to have been a very modest OLPC España effort, but its
 Wiki page has vanished away. Perhaps you can help restart it.

 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 05:56, Christoph Derndorfer
 e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote:
 Hi all,

 as some of you might know I moved to Madrid about a month ago

 How's your Spanish?

 and will
 be here at least until the end of May but possibly also until late summer.

 Now I was wondering whether anyone here knows people working on
 olpc/Sugar/ICT4E who are based here in Madrid or elsewhere in Spain?

 I've looked around quite a bit but unfortunately didn't find anything
 related to olpc/Sugar/ICT4E so far, plus similarly minded communities
 (e.g. LUGs, hacker spaces, etc.) also seem to be quite rare around here.

 Anyway, I'd appreciate any pointers, suggestions or contacts in this area.

 Thanks,
 Christoph

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Re: [IAEP] Any olpc/Sugar/ICT4E people in Spain?

2011-03-18 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
you might want to write to Diego Gomez Deck http://diegogomezdeck.blogspot.com/

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Christoph Derndorfer
e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote:
 Hi all,

 as some of you might know I moved to Madrid about a month ago and will
 be here at least until the end of May but possibly also until late summer.

 Now I was wondering whether anyone here knows people working on
 olpc/Sugar/ICT4E who are based here in Madrid or elsewhere in Spain?

 I've looked around quite a bit but unfortunately didn't find anything
 related to olpc/Sugar/ICT4E so far, plus similarly minded communities
 (e.g. LUGs, hacker spaces, etc.) also seem to be quite rare around here.

 Anyway, I'd appreciate any pointers, suggestions or contacts in this area.

 Thanks,
 Christoph

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Re: [IAEP] [Sur] [Local Labs] Junta aprueba programa de certificaciones

2011-03-02 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
Es verdad, esta moción aprobada por el comite, es un paso adelante
para la comunidad. Felicitaciones para todos.

  Mensaje original 
 Asunto: [Local Labs] Junta aprueba programa de certificaciones
 Fecha: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 01:24:50 -0500
 De: Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.org
 A: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org

 Estimados colegas miembros de Local Labs.
 Propongo que empecemos por definir en conjunto el primer nivel de 
 certificación (referente a la introducción al entorno Sugar).

+1

 ¿Quienes de Uds. estarían interesados en trabajar en este tema?

Aquí un gaucho argentino se suma a la iniciativa.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sur] [Local Labs] Junta aprueba programa de certificaciones

2011-03-02 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
2011/3/2 Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.org
 Para ello se ha planteado un proceso de certificación por niveles 
 http://openetherpad.org/ep/pad/view/certificacion-sugarlabs/eEILr2wWc4 
 Propongo que empecemos por definir en conjunto el primer nivel de 
 certificación (referente a la introducción al entorno Sugar).

Nivel 1-Actividades Basicas

Propongo:
Para definir que cuales son las  Actividades básicas deberíamos
tomar aquellas instaladas por defecto en las imagenes y habilitadas en
el anillo de la vista principal de los respectivos
deployments(Uy,Pe,Ar,Py...etc).

Nivel 1-Aprender a investigar usando actividades

¿Que se busca con en este item?

La idea consistiría en que todo capacitado prepare/sugiera/arme un
prototipo para contenido curricular(aula) con todo el universo de
actividades instalas en la imagen (estén o no activa en la vista
principal). ¿Es esta la idea?

(ME PARECE QUE DEBE DE HABER UN NIVEL SOLO DE PROGRAMACION... y tal vez como 
reportar bugs, modificar una actividad, etc)

+1 a la idea de reportar bugs. Siempre y cuando se acote el concepto
de reportar. Podemos generar incertidumbre en los maestros si
buscamos que entren a http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ y generen un ticket.
¿No?

Propongo:
Definir una lista genérica (¿OLPC-SUR?) y un estándar o norma para
presentar un correo con posible bug.

¿A que se refieren con Nivel de programación Etoys, Scratch,
TortugArte, etc o programar sobre un lenguaje informático(Python,
shellscript, smalltalk)?...sospecho que son las primeras actividades
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Re: [IAEP] [Sur] [Local Labs] Junta aprueba programa de certificaciones

2011-03-02 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
Los niveles 2,3 y 4 los transformaria en un trabajo de campo o final
con el fín de acceder a la certificacion. Asi como estan presentados
no los veo como niveles de aprendizaje.

Sumo un Nivel General o miscelaneas:
-- Propongo que el programa de certificación recomiende una oferta de
titulos a leer ( libros/pappers/presentaciones) obligatorio que todo
aquel interesado en proyectos pedagogicos 1a1 debería no dejar de
leer.

Respondo por las listas estas ideas, pero de todas maneras las estoy
escribiendo en  http://openetherpad.org/certificacion-sugarlabs

2011/3/2 Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com:
 Saludo Cordial
 Se pude tomar como referencia algo de este material
 http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Pedagogia/Talleres
 Creo que habia mas material en Chile ?

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Re: [IAEP] [Local Labs] Certificaciones en Sugar

2011-02-14 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
Saludos para todos, recién hoy leo este correo -vengo atrasado-,
¿avanzaron con este tema de las certificaciones?. Pregunto por si aun
tengo un par de correo por leer.

+1. Me parece interesante (y un poco compleja) pensar en una certificación.

2011/2/9 Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.org:
 Estimados miembros de la comunidad Sugar:
 Ha surgido recientemente en la lista Sur, y también en la junta de Sugar
 Labs, la inquietud respecto de «Certificaciones Sugar» las cuales podrían
 estar ofreciendo diferentes entidades en distintos países, pero que no son
 oficialmente respaldadas por Sugar Labs.

 Walter me pidió en la última reunión de la junta que me hiciera cargo (junto
 a Claudia Urrea de OLPC) de definir un proceso de Certificación que
 estuviera bajo el control de los laboratorios locales y que fuera acorde con
 los principios pedagógicos de Sugar. El argumento es que por una parte, un
 certificado ayuda a los docentes a avanzar profesionalmente, y un programa
 inteligente de certificaciones podría difundir Sugar y sus principios
 incorporando a los participantes en la comunidad.

 Sin embargo he encontrado la tarea tremendamente compleja sobretodo porque
 desconozco las coyunturas locales en las cuales esta certificación se
 aplicaría y en general me parece que el modelo tradicional de
 certificaciones choca con mis propios principios como autodidacta.
 Inquietudes similares me mostraron miembros de Sugar Labs Colombia en la
 última reunión que tuvimos.

 En todo caso, Claudia y yo trabajamos en el siguiente documento compartido:
 http://openetherpad.org/certificacion-sugarlabs

 Hay reuniones de la junta casi todos los jueves a las 3PM EST, en el canal
 #sugar-meeting (http://chat.sugarlabs.org/).
 Me gustaría tener sus impresiones sobre cómo debería ser un programa de
 certificaciones digno de Sugar Labs. Para ello pueden contestar por aquí, o
 directamente participar de la próxima reunión, que es mañana.

 Agradecido por su participación,
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[IAEP] TED - Alan Kay - Example(8:44)

2010-02-19 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
Hello everybody,

I am trying to simulate the example  Or This A2+b2=c2 used by AK en the
TED conference (8:44) but unfortunelly I am not arriving to the expected
results. Does anybody know if the etoy project (I just need the example: A2
+b2=c2, not the complete presentation)  is available in the web?

Link TED - A powerful idea about ideas:
http://www.ted.com/talks/alan_kay_shares_a_powerful_idea_about_ideas.html

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Re: [IAEP] [etoys-dev] TED - Alan Kay - Example(8:44)

2010-02-19 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
Sth to clariry my question: In the video that TED reproduces, during
Pithagoras Theorem Alan
stands out of focus, you can see the presentation in the screem only.So I
don´t know if fugures are moved by a simulation (script) or byAlan Kay
itselfThank

GRACIAS Pato Acevedo!!!
-- Forwarded message --
From: Patricio Acevedo patitoacev...@gmail.com
Date: 2010/2/19
Subject: Pitagoras
To: ibarr...@gmail.com
http://patricioacevedo.blogspot.com/2008/09/teorema-de-pitagoras-con-dr-geoii.html
Aunque creo lo que buscas está totalmente cubierto en este artículo de la
revista linux magazine
http://www.linux-magazine.es/issue/38/079-082_EducacionLM38.pdf


On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Gustavo Ibarra ibarr...@gmail.com wrote:

 AlanThank you for your answer!

 I understand the presentation was created with the etoy itself( super
 powerpoint, with a morph ThreadNavigator)

 I wanted  to know if the example pythagorean Theorem is an animation
 (a script that moves elements) done with etoy inside  super
 powerpoint

 I will folow Yoshiki  advises. Tank's Yoshiki


 On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima yosh...@vpri.org wrote:
   Gustavo,
 
  At Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:35:53 -0300,
  Gustavo Ibarra wrote:
 
  Hello everybody,
 
  I am trying to simulate the example  Or This A^2+b^2=c^2 used by AK en
 the TED conference (8:44) but unfortunelly I am
  not arriving to the expected results. Does anybody know if the etoy
 project (I just need the example: A^2+b^2=c^2, not
  the complete presentation)  is available in the web?
 
  Link TED - A powerful idea about ideas:
 http://www.ted.com/talks/alan_kay_shares_a_powerful_idea_about_ideas.html
 
   As Alan wrote, his version is just moving pieces around.  You could
  create three squares in proper sizes, and four right triangles in the
  right size and try move them around.  For some specific animating
  effect you would like to get...  if you don't mind, perhaps you can
  upload your version somewhere so that we can take a look at it?
 
  -- Yoshiki
 



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Re: [IAEP] Need Live CD to take to Argentina

2010-01-11 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
Hello, sorry I am answering so late

Cary, I live in Junin, a city 260 km far from Buenos Aires.January is quite
complecated for me, at work first and because of my holidays as well, so I
am afraid I will not be able to travel to Buenos Aires

With the group we have not arranged any meeting during January

So if you think it is ok, we would contact persons at the school  where they
are planning to use Soa/Sugar to continue orking along the 2010 Gabriel
Tupac Condori sayay_tu...@yahoo.com.a is the responsable in tecnical support
at the school

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 00:47, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote:
  H All i...
 
  Did this ever get implemented? If so where do I find it? Are there any
  special instructions I need to make and use the live CD? Can a usb stick
 be
  used for file storage?
 
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Sugar_LiveCD
 
  I would like to be able to take several copies with me to give to a tech
  person at an elementary school in Buenos Aires when I go there in
  mid-January.

 You got some good replies already, but you may want to consider
 contacting Gustavo Ibarra or Gonzalo Odiard (cc'ed) who are pushing
 Sugar in Argentina.

 Regards,

 Tomeu

  Thanks,
 
  Caryl
 
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Re: [IAEP] We want to create our local Sugar Labs Argentina.-

2009-10-24 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
dir...@gmail.com wrote:
 Having for granted that you have already a strong group of individuals
 or ''core'' that are willing to take the lead on all the tasks related
 to a local lab, we can begin to work with the infrastructure team to
 set you up a wiki, maillist and @ar.sugarlabs.org mails.

This are good news for us and will be able to contribute to the
comunity SL/OLPC from SLA.

Rafael, Let's keep in touch for set up topics through the mail list
argent...@laptop

 About communication with other local labs Chile and Colombia have
 their own wikis and mailists we can begin also to work on -sur (as
 always ;))

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Re: [IAEP] We want to create our local Sugar Labs Argentina.-

2009-10-22 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero 
dir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Gustavo.
 Glad to have you here.

 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Please copy to argent...@lists.laptop.org. I am not subscribed to it
  because, unfortunately, I do not speak or write Spanish.



  Welcome/Bienvenido.


Hola amigos!

First of all, thank you for the welcome.

 Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have just started organizing online meetings on the collaboration
  features of Sugar and the XO. Any interested teachers are welcome to
  join us for testing and tutorial sessions. We also need questions from
  teachers and students on anything that has puzzled them, and
  volunteers to translate the materials we create to Spanish and other
  languages.
  Our joint sessions will use Sugar on a Stick, which is set up to use a
  particular Jabber server. At some point we will provide instructions
  for connecting to that server from other forms of Sugar. They may very
  well be in the Wiki, but I haven't looked.


Edward,  i am sending this email with copy to argent...@lists.laptop.org

 Gustavo Ibarra ibarr...@gmail.com wrote:

  We ask permission to create our local Sugar Lab for Argentina, as
 members of
  the Sugar Labs community, accepting and respecting MEMORANDUM OF
  UNDERSTANDING
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Local_Lab_MOU and
  the appropiate use of the LOGO
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo#Logo_usage


Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero dir...@gmail.com wrote:

  Local labs efforts must ask permission primary form it's own local
 communities, for the overall community we ask to follow the rules of
 distribution and participation already concerted with the overall
 community, like the MOU f.e... i also recommend you to see SL
 governance and SL .co governance to have ideas about to organize
 participation.


I'd like to make one clarification
We are thinking to start with SLA in an informal way. We believe it is not
necessary to be formal in order to the kind of work we are doing. And we
would create a non profit foundation when it be necessary.

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Re: [IAEP] We want to create our local Sugar Labs Argentina.-

2009-10-22 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:45 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 Hey Gustavo,


Hello David and Rafael



 A Local Lab in Argentina is great!



 We have found that Local Labs are incredibly helpful to the community
 at large.  Usually, I try to help labs get set up. But now, I would
 like to stay out of the picture.  There are some really great Local
 Labs that are doing amazing this.



We hope everything will be ok. We want to do interesting things in
argentina..!!


The true value of a Local Lab is building on top of Sugar to solve
 your _local_ needs.  So, would you mind working with Rafael and other
 existing local labs to set up SLA.  The big thing is that you do what
 is best for Argentina.


I will work with rafael in things related to the set up of the SLA and be in
touch with other regional labs

Rafael, how do you suggest to continue?..



 david


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Gustavo.-
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[IAEP] We want to create our local Sugar Labs Argentina.-

2009-10-21 Thread Gustavo Ibarra
Hello everybody.

I´m writting in the name of argentinian people who have periodic meetings,
which we call Sugar Days Argentina
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/SugarDaysArgentina

We are forming a community of software developers and teachers of the area
who are interested in exchanging experiences and learn about XO computers
and tne platform.

We are focusing in the following objectives:
* To do periodic meetings with real objectives and activities.
* To invite people who want to work.
* To work in the use of computers specially in models destinated to
education projects called 1:1.
* To share work with other developers, specially with teachers who use this
programs and can tell us their educational vision.
* To look for the best way to colaborate on line with other current projects
(of laboratories or research university group or independent entrepeneur).
* To generate different working groups with the same aims but with different
specific areas of applicattions:Python, Etoys, Fedora/SUGAR/SoaS.

We would like to reach in the short and intermediate time the following:
* To keep active in argentina the spirit of working in: OLPC and SUGAR LAB
* To interact with pre existant experiences such as : Sugars Lab's, PERU
EDUCA, CEIBAL, RUP JAM, PARAGUAY EDUCA
* To help to have more XO's in classrooms in Argentina and to create
SUGAR LABS in Argentina.

*We ask permission to create our local Sugar Lab for Argentina, as members
of the Sugar Labs comunity, accepting and respecting MEMORANDUM OF
UNDERSTANDING http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Local_Lab_MOU and
the appropiate use of the LOGO
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo#Logo_usage
*
If you need more information, please write to the list
argent...@lists.laptop.org  or to my personal email,

Greetings...!!!

Gustavo.-
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