Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] stepping down as maintainer
On 19 October 2010 17:50, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi, for personal reasons have to drastically reduce my involvement in the project. Will be leaving maintenance of my modules and unsubscribing from the mailing lists. My place on the board is vacant from now on and I'll be adding to the wiki the new vacancies: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vacancies Cheers and good luck, Tomeu Thank you for all the help and handholding :) I wish you all the best. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] chat.sugarlabs.org
On 10 October 2010 23:28, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 18:13 +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: On 10 October 2010 18:07, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: I added a new service: http://chat.sugarlabs.org/ Shouldn't we piggyback on webchat.freenode.net instead? We're using the same software, it should work the same. A local installation wasn't strictly necessary, but it lets the service run under the sugarlabs.org domain, for the sake of integration and branding. In the future, we could add our logo and links at the top of the page. I see. Ignore me then :) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] chat.sugarlabs.org
On 10 October 2010 18:07, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: I added a new service: http://chat.sugarlabs.org/ Shouldn't we piggyback on webchat.freenode.net instead? I've only tested it lightly. If it seems to work well for one day or two, we can link it from our links bars and contact pages. Sysadmin documentation is here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/chat ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] The value of plastic
I found his approach to teaching children about plastic/oil interesting. http://motherboard.tv/2010/8/22/a-machine-that-turns-plastic-back-into-oil--2 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Catching Up
You'd have to install a more vanilla linux on that machine to get any Sugar activities running on it. ASE is mostly a toy, allowing you to run simple scripts. Android = Java, no way around it. On 28 July 2010 12:24, Kevin Cole kjc...@dc.sugarlabs.org wrote: Android is kin to Linux with a heavy dose of Java. Sugar tends to be more Pythonic than Java-esque, but perhaps the Android Scripting Environment (ASE) can mitigate some of that... http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/06/introducing-android-scripting.html On Jul 27, 2010 9:42 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All... I'm back to the world camp Grandma and Grandpa has ended for the summer after lots of fun hiking, swimming, playing card games and Monopoly, doing cooking and crafts, playing music, pulling weeds, building a square-foot garden, dealing with sibling rivalries, etc. Now I'm trying to catch up on things at OLPC and Sugar Labs. Has someone already asked this? If so, forgive me Is there any chance of getting Sugar Activities to run on this gadget? They might be put on an SD card. Maybe just certain favorites like eToys and TurtleArt. http://www.mobilewhack.com/augen-presents-gentouch78-tablet/ Caryl P.S. I'll have lots more questions in the next couple of days. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Redesigning: Library, Read, Get-Books, and Content bundles
On 20 July 2010 23:54, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org wrote: deployments that would like to install content bundles. They package these files into .xol packages and these packages get installed into the Library, which is contained on the left hand side of the Browse activity. Yes, you read that correctly...the BROWSE activity, an activity intended for online exploration is used to view offline content. Every deployment that I have shown this to has found it very unintuitive. Consider another example: You want to use Get-Books to The original goal was to blur the boundary between offline and online as much as possible. You would have a large-ish cache of online material available offline -- including not only your textbooks, but also many other web sites or educational resources. Updating a textbook would be as easy as updating the online source of that textbook, and the offline copy would get updated from that. Surfing while offline to a page which was not available in the offline cache would create a request for that content, which would be fetched when you are next online, or added to a queue for your teacher to fetch next time they travelled to a place with internet access. This is a pretty straightforward extension of the wwwoffle program, but the necessary tuits to integrate all the pieces never appeared. Anyway, that's just to say that there was justification once for putting library content in Browse. Don't know if that justification still applies. I understand the advantages to using a browser, but people will still be confused. In order to keep the advantages of a browser (blurred online-offline boundary), an SSB like the Wikipedia activity could be made to handle this. Users would download things to their Journal, regardless of whether those things were offline or online to begin with. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [support-gang] SoaS Good News/Bad News
Those are two commands, separated by a semicolon. They could also be done on separate lines (as two commands). cd ~/Downloads navigates to your Downloads folder. You could also use ls to see what's inside. Then the second command does the actual image writing. On 8 April 2010 07:33, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi James, You must not open it that way. You should open Terminal, and type cd ~/Downloads; python image-writer-mac.py soas-2-blueberry.iso Doing it this way should not cause PythonLauncher to be run. Can you please confirm you were trying to open the file in a Finder window? Right... I was trying to open it in a Finder window. I don't have a lot of experience with the terminal. Do I type in exactly what you have above including the ; or is is that a punctuation? I'll try it tomorrow. It's about midnight here. Caryl -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [support-gang] SoaS Good News/Bad News
The mac terminal is nothing more than a regular bash terminal. Look for bash tutorials. On 8 April 2010 17:55, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Lucian and All, Thanks for the info. I'm glad I asked. Now that leads to another question. If I wanted to skip the redundant download and open the image-writer-mac file in Terminal from the larger download Tom G. posted (Sugar-Creation-Kit-ver05.iso) how would I do that? I have copies of that download both on my desktop and burned on a DVD. Caryl P.S. Is there a handy dandy guide to commands for the Mac Terminal anywhere? Sort of an Idiot's Guide to the Mac Terminal or The Mac Terminal for Dummies? Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:20:05 +0100 From: lucian.brane...@gmail.com To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org; support-g...@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] [support-gang] SoaS Good News/Bad News Those are two commands, separated by a semicolon. They could also be done on separate lines (as two commands). cd ~/Downloads navigates to your Downloads folder. You could also use ls to see what's inside. Then the second command does the actual image writing. On 8 April 2010 07:33, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi James, You must not open it that way. You should open Terminal, and type cd ~/Downloads; python image-writer-mac.py soas-2-blueberry.iso Doing it this way should not cause PythonLauncher to be run. Can you please confirm you were trying to open the file in a Finder window? Right... I was trying to open it in a Finder window. I don't have a lot of experience with the terminal. Do I type in exactly what you have above including the ; or is is that a punctuation? I'll try it tomorrow. It's about midnight here. Caryl -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [GSoC] Sugar Browser
I found this wiki page so far https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mozilla_2/XPCOM_and_Binary_Embedding I should have a chat with the Mozilla people anyway, that page may not be entirely up to date. From this discussion: 1) Performance tests of recent webkit and xulrunner on XOs and other hardware SoaS runs on would be useful, paying close attention to real-world relevance. 2) Regardless of the results of the benchmark, it would be useful to write an abstraction layer over hulahop/pywebkitgtk/whatever would be used for embedding Mozilla 2. It should allow the Sugar browser the ability to switch between engines, if not at runtime at least with very little effort. On 22 March 2010 08:39, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 23:25, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: Some have expressed concern about Browse and its current xulrunner dependency (http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1850). To make matters even worse for the future, Mozilla plans to get rid of XPCOM at some point in favour of better JavaScript interfacing to C++ and a JavaScript ffi similar to ctypes. The extent up to which xulrunner will be supported by Mozilla as an embeddable engine is the most important point, IMHO. But up to now we only have rumours and speculation. Could someone add a reference to a clear statement or ask someone at Mozilla? Ubuntu's position on this is explained here, though I would prefer something clearer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/ Surf is an existing browser activity that uses webkit (pywebkitgtk). It is not yet on par feature-wise with Browse, but it could be extended. I see a few possible ways forward, that I could work on for GSoC: 1) Get Browse into shape (with a bundled xulrunner?) 2) Update Surf to be on par with Browse I am inclined to choose the second for a few reasons. First, current webkit is much faster and uses less memory than current gecko, which has been especially visible on XOs. When comparing performance, we need to compare apples to apples, which can be a lot of work. One way to move forward regarding this is to make a simpler Browse comparable in functionality to the current Surf and measure that. While gecko has superior extendability (XUL extensions), Browse isn't compatible with Firefox extensions, so anything would need to be rewritten anyway. Google gears runs unmodified on Browse. Extensions that depend on Firefox interfaces will only run on Firefox, but there are lots of extensions that only use Xulrunner interfaces. Userscripts (Greasemonkey) serve most needs for now and if needed, an extension API akin to Mozilla's Jetpack or Chrome's extensions could be implemented. Second, webkit is being used by a lot of projects and has the backing of several companies. Furthermore, it is packaged more consistently across platforms/distributions. As pointed out above, I think the maintainability issue is the most important here. While we have reasons to fear about Mozilla in this regard, we should act on more final information. Third, pywebkitgtk and hulahop have a similar API (and pywebkitgtk tries not to diverge unless necessary) and it should be possible to not depend too much on any one of them. A thin abstraction layer could be written on top to handle most differences and it should only rarely be needed to go beneath this abstraction. While this would most likely not result in a browser than can switch engines at runtime, it should make any future porting much easier. Any thoughts on this? In summary, I think this is a very interesting proposal, thanks for bringing it up again. Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] PyCon 2010 Invitation
And there is actually quite a bit of healthy competition for performance between the various python VMs. PyPy for example is generally faster (http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2009/11/some-benchmarking.html) than Unladen Swallow, CPython or even CPython+psyco, but lacks compatibility to the CPython C API (just ctypes). Sorry for the offtopicness. 2009/11/24 Vern Ceder vce...@canterburyschool.org: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 21:28, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Think there would be interest in the Sugar View Source feature? And how it is being used in the field? And maybe about python-related performance issues we have found in our use of it? AFAIUI, Python has still much to grow in desktop application development. Indeed. With the development of Unladen Swallow, performance issues are particularly hot right now, and the View Source feature has always interested programmers. Cheers, Vern Regards, Tomeu -walter On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Vern Ceder vce...@canterburyschool.org wrote: Hello, I'm the coordinator of the poster session for the national Python programmers conference in Atlanta, Feb 19-21 2010, and a long-time lurker on this list. I'm writing to invite anyone with a Pythonic topic to submit a poster proposal and to come to PyCon if you can, or to submit a virtual poster, if you can't make it to Atlanta. Poster sessions are new to us, and we're hoping they will offer more people a chance to present on a more diverse array of topics. We're also looking for virtual posters (5 min videos), particularly from the education community, both students and teachers. For more information about the poster session visit http://us.pycon.org/2010/conference/posters/ and for the conference in general (including registration fees, lodging, etc) go to http://us.pycon.org/2010/conference/posters/ The official deadline for poster submissions is the end of the month, but the proposal process is a very simple one, only requiring a few paragraphs of description. In addition, it's possible that we will be accepting poster proposals after that date on a space available basis. Also, the virtual poster deadline is considerably later. I'm sorry I didn't get this to the Sugar community sooner - I had assumed, since the Python and Sugar communities overlap a bit, that you probably were aware of what was happening with PyCon, but I now realize that I was probably assuming too much. In any case, I think that both communities might benefit from some Sugar related posters or virtual posters, so I hope that someone will come up with something. I should also mention that there is some financial aid is available to attend PyCon - please check http://us.pycon.org/2010/registration/financial-aid/ for more information. So please share this with developers, colleagues and students, and if you have any questions at all, please don't hesitate to contact me. Thanks, Vern Ceder, Poster Session Coordinator, PyCon 2010 -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose - Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vce...@canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose - Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vce...@canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Systems] Sharing Google Apps calendars
I think public read-only and @sugarlabs.org read-write should be enough. I think google calendar supports caldav for the public ones. On 5 Nov 2009 21:13, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Personal and team ca... Cool, I don't think this was possible when we first set up the calendars. The default policy for Google Apps was to restrict sharing with the outside world to free/busy ... Systems mailing list syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/systems ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop pr... ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] svg animations, no?
Your best bet is using a browser runtime, like hulahop. Gecko has good support for SVG, but without SMIL. You'll have to use JavaScript for animations. Right now, the only runtime I know of that can run SMIL is Opera, and that one is useless (because it's closed source). You could use Fakesmile (http://leunen.d.free.fr/fakesmile/) for other browsers, but it's rather slow. 2009/8/29 Bill Kerr billk...@gmail.com: thanks for information, tony What I stress to my students initially is the strong underlying rationale for knowing more about SVGs. Some of the points I go over with them more than once are: animations are fairly easy to achieve (SMIL or Synchronised Multimedia Integration Language is part of SVG) it offers a path into some core web techniques and standards: XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and SVG It's mathematical - both simple co-ordinate systems and more complex maths such as bezier curves. I like the fact that art can be done with maths good free open source software is available, eg. inkscape the small size (low bandwidth) and scalability of SVG graphics means they have a big future, eg. in the mobile phone industry images are scalable There are some very interesting essays and SVG examples at this dev.opera page (view these pages using Opera browser) ie. I see a strong educational rationale for teaching more about SVGs (this first occurred to me when reading Tim Berners Lee's book Weaving the Web), but confess to my lack of success in persuading anyone else at all about this :-( btw my year 10 students are enjoying the challenge to make their own icons to replace the XO icon - I'll be posting some of their icons soon On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:57 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Sugar uses librsvg to render all SVGs, I'm not sure which are the capabilities of this library regarding animations. http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.lib.librsvg.devel/2008-07/msg3.html Animation is going to be a lot of work, and I'm not sure that I'd want it in librsvg. It's a very good, fast static SVG rendering library, and I'd like it to stay that way. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] OCR?
Abbyy could distribute the free version of their software with a license that allows it to be redistributed with Sugar, or more precisely whatever activity uses it. But that would allow people to make full-featured clones of Abbyy's software, so I doubt it. 2009/8/28 Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com: I was at a presentation last week of Abbyy OCR software, which works on pictures taken by mobile phone cameras in more than 100 languages. The company wants to give away software (though not source code) in was that will get the company good publicity. So we are talking about using their software with the XO camera to read signs or full pages in books. Also whether we can add languages. This would mean making the OCR engine a separate download, the way we handle Adobe Flash. So is this likely to be worth the effort? Is there a Free Software OCR engine of adequate quality? Any other questions? -- Edward Mokurai Cherlin Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] svg animations, no?
I've tried animations as well (with JavaScript) and indeed they don't work. However, I'm not sure they really are a good idea for icons. They may get confusing or annoying. 2009/8/27 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:43, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar does not support SVG animations? I just tried to replace the XO icon with an SVG animation as an extension of the http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/8_4/ModifyingSugar exercise - the icon replaced but was not animated. I'm seeking confirmation that this is correct and would be interested in the reason too Sugar uses librsvg to render all SVGs, I'm not sure which are the capabilities of this library regarding animations. Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A security vs. functionality question
Could you let the invited user in a chroot by default and only allow full access if the inviting user explicitly allows it? 2009/8/6 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: Gary C Martin wrote: How are two (or more!) remote individuals expected to co-operate and share the same command line and not mess up? 1. Out of band. 1a. That can mean, for example, a pre-existing understanding of the purpose of the session. If it's an expert connecting to perform an operation, then you've already agreed about who's going to be doing most of the typing. 1b. Via a live chat. That can be as simple as a Chat activity instance. Eventually, I am counting on overlay chat [1] and push-to-talk [2] to solve the out of band communication problems. 2. Multiple windows ShareTerm is built on GNU Screen, which supports multiple independent windows not unlike what you describe. (It sometimes calls itself a text only window manager.) In pair programming, for example, users could type in separate buffers, looking over each other's shoulders periodically. [1] http://dev.laptop.org/attachment/ticket/3310/activity_chat_sketch.png [2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Push_to_Talk ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A security vs. functionality question
Share with: My Neighborhood is too broad to allow full access. But Share with: John should be enough to assume that you trust John. Or instead have a separate option Share with: John (full acces). A chroot because afaik rainbow doesn't really work outside the XO distro My impression may be wrong, though. I had assumed everyone has root access, it is such a basic need for a machine you own. 2009/8/7 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: Lucian Branescu wrote: Could you let the invited user in a chroot by default and only allow full access if the inviting user explicitly allows it? 1. What sort of interface do you have in mind? What is more explicit than Share with: My Neighborhood? 2. Why a chroot, and not Rainbow? 3. How do we create a chroot without requiring root privileges? (It seems many Sugar users, such as those in Uruguay or on LTSP, will not have root.) --Ben ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Google Docs on XO?
Everything from Google Docs works just fine in Browse, just like on Firefox. Yes, Google Docs has collaboration, but it's not quite realtime and it depends on google's servers. 2009/7/2 Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com: Hi, Another puzzler for you folks. I am able to access my files from Google Docs on my XO. I am not really familiar with the service yet and wanted to know if any of you have tried it with the XO and Sugar. Have you been able to edit? I am particularly interested in being able to collaborate and create presentations via Google docs (so far no Presentation Activity in Sugar...right?). I'd also like to know if we have an Activity that allows collaborative video editing? I have seen some things done in Uruguay that appear to be edited, but I don't know for sure if they are. This is for one of our Contributors Program clients who wants to develop a curriculum using XOs and/or Sugar. Can we help him? Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] [Design help] for Webified
I have this project http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Webified, more info at http://honeyweb.sugarlabs.org Right now, I have added the following functionality to my branch of Browse: - new button for creating an SSB - new toolbar for bookmarklet buttons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmarklet - context menu option for adding bookmarklets SSBs would allow users to create customised versions of Browse, for specific web sites. Users could create the GMail activity with just a click and they could customise it with a few more. Bookmarklets are part of the customisation of SSBs. For example, the GMail activity could have bookmarklets like 'compose' or 'enable offline' or 'save drafts to journal' (the latter isn't possible yet). Since bookmarklets are useful in other case as well (http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/), I have decided to give this functionality to Browse as well. I would like to know your opinion, especially if you deal with design. Here are some screenshots of what I have now: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/317039/bookmarklet%20button.png http://files.getdropbox.com/u/317039/create%20ssb.png http://files.getdropbox.com/u/317039/save%20bookmarklet.png ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-06-15
My major concern against porting to Android is that Java is a horrible language, even with the nice Android libs. Google have said that they will add more languages, though. A more long term solution would be using PyPy, since it has significantly lower memory usage and better optimisation prospects. Switching to PyBank for bindings should also help. 2009/6/15 NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu: Technologically the phone and the computer are quickly converging. They are just coming at the problem from different points of view. Phones focus on power consumption and size. Netbooks focus on screen size and general use computing. If the new ARM technology is as good inside devices as it is on paper the convergence is going to happen sooner than many of us expect it. If you look at the Nvidia Tegra video made by Charbax then it is clear that it will converge next year. Google and the ARM companies pushed millions of $ into quick web browsing and hardware accelerated video and flash (something even Bryan Berry defines as the future of educational software development). Android implements the following things (the next version will support smartbooks): 1. Its Dalvik VM works in very limited resource environments. It is something Negroponte talked about but nothing happened (with Python memory comsumption), Google did not talk about it just fixed it. 2. The applications are separated like in Rainbow. OLPC will even loose Rainbow with the transitioning to stock Fedora. 3. There is an usable programming environment targeting Android. I can debug programs from Eclipse running on Windows!!! 4. All the activities on Android can be used by the cursor keys only (so they ARE easy to handle). Something Sugar lacks even now. 5. There is a massive army of programmers targeting Android. It is only my really humble opinion, but could that be that probably the most sane way would be porting the relevant parts of Sugar to the Android platform and ditching the rest? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-06-15
2009/6/15 NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu: My major concern against porting to Android is that Java is a horrible language, even with the nice Android libs. Google have said that they will add more languages, though. Yes, java sucks. IMHO it does not matter though since mostly activities consists of 1000 lines of code. A more long term solution would be using PyPy, since it has significantly lower memory usage and better optimisation prospects. Switching to PyBank for bindings should also help. Or retargeting Python to the DEX format. There is a project doing a bit of that, http://code.google.com/p/jythonroid/ Jython just got a new compiler though, it should be possible to retarget it. Google seems to love Python, maybe they will help? Perhaps OLPC could get them to at least say whether they're working on it? The real deal is that Android will be pushed by all the carriers and ARM vendors. In my humble opinion it will be the dominant phone OS in the future with even more hardware support (just try out the Android SDK, it is multi platform with an emulator). Jumping to this massive smartbook bandwagon could push the OLPC idea further without any hardware development. ps: If you did not see the video then the current plan is to sell those smartbooks for 0$ via G3 phone carrier subsidy. It can became a HUGE market. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-06-15
2009/6/15 NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu: There is a project doing a bit of that, http://code.google.com/p/jythonroid/ Jython just got a new compiler though, it should be possible to retarget it. Google seems to love Python, maybe they will help? Perhaps OLPC could get them to at least say whether they're working on it? http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/ It is Google's Python plan. Unfortunately it is not about reducing memory consumption, it is for servers. The problem with the Sugar path is that it has no hardware vendor backing. Android has. The new 1.5 XO makes the memory pressure bearable with 1G of memory just it also has no hardware vendor backing (in the sense of at least 10 million units per year category). I meant Python on Android. In the short term, PyBank should help. In the very long term, PyPy would be an interesting option, but bindings are still a problem. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Please help us choose a Sugar on a Stick boot animation sequence by tomorrow
+1 for the ring 2009/6/9 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: We are on a tight schedule for the SoaS LinuxTag release and following the mega-thread on the subject we have narrowed the choice down to two variants: Progress Bar http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Animation_of_Eben.27s_Above_Design Ring of Dots http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#XO_Sugar_Boot_With_Overlap This needs to be decided by tomorrow, so if you have a strong preference, please speak up now or hold your peace until the next release. There seems to be a slight preference for the Ring (I myself prefer it since similar to familiar OLPC experience). Thanks Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Journal criticism
I'm new to Sugar, so I may be horribly wrong. But to me, the Journal seems more of an annoyance than anything else. A lot of the work I see done is towards bringing back some of the properties that regular filesystems have What advantage does it have as opposed to a regular filesystem with support for versioning and metadata? A filesystem would be more compatible with existing software (which could just ignore the metadata), at least. 2009/5/27 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 19:34, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Tomeu, I've said this before, but maybe I can repeat it once more: 1). I like the idea of the Journal. I would not want to change the Journal proper to support putting items in hierarchies. 2). Having said that, I don't always like the Journal Activity. The biggest problem I have with it is it insists on making things that are NOT in the Journal kind of look like they are. That's a big mistake. I would prefer that SD cards and USB thumb drives that may have files and folders have a totally different user interface from the Journal interface. The interface could be made with a Pygtk tree view. You could copy a file into the Journal, as a Journal entry, or copy a Journal entry into a directory as a file. The file would be named with the title meta tag plus a suffix based on MIME type. Maybe some kind of Journal entries couldn't be copied this way, so copying would not be supported for them. I agree, and thought I was clear in my last email about this. In 0.84 has been work to make this possible, though isn't user visible at this moment. 3). Maybe there would be an option to use the SD card as expansion for the Journal. If you had a 2 gig SD card you could specify that you wanted it treated this way, and from then on your Journal would be 2 GB larger. This option would destroy whatever data was on the SD card to begin with. If you didn't do this, the SD card would have the same interface as a thumb drive. This is part of the original vision but is another task up for grabs. 4). For the Journal proper, I agree that a temporal view has value. However, in addition to that I'd like to sort by the Title meta tag. This would be a natural for etexts, because you could look for a book more easily if they were all in alphabetical order. If you had a large library on your XO the temporal sequence would be annoying. Yup, we have mockups that add this functionality. n_tasks_up_for_grabs++ 5). When several Activities support the same MIME type (Zip files are BOUND to be popular) then there needs to be a way of specifying that a particular Journal entry should be resumed by a particular Activity by default. You should be able to change that default at any time, but once changed you'd be able to open any entry with that default with one click. Right now the only way to make a Zip file Journal entry open with the right Activity with one click is to make the Activity open the Journal entry with the Object Chooser, then save it back out as a new Journal entry. Then the user deletes the original Journal entry. We need something easier than that. Maybe open by default in the last activity it was open with? Regards, Tomeu James Simmons ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Journal criticism
Right, that does make it a bit more clear. I feel however that there should be a way to mount the Journal as a regular filesystem without losing too much information (put stuff in folders according to labels, put activities in their own folder, etc.) 2009/5/27 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 20:20, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: I'm new to Sugar, so I may be horribly wrong. But to me, the Journal seems more of an annoyance than anything else. A lot of the work I see done is towards bringing back some of the properties that regular filesystems have What advantage does it have as opposed to a regular filesystem with support for versioning and metadata? A filesystem would be more compatible with existing software (which could just ignore the metadata), at least. I can very easily understand that for someone who is used to a regular filesystem, the journal may seem as an annoyance when an attempt to use it in the same way is done. The same can be said of any other diversion in Sugar from how Windows/OSX behave. Though, interestingly, many people have successfully switched from files-in-folders-in-folders email clients to GMail. Maybe it is because the journal is not as mature as gmail? If I think that something like the journal is worth having, it is: - because I can easily observe how non-technical users are unable to find the files that they stored in folders some time ago, or forget to save an important document, or modify a file that Firefox saved to /tmp and it got deleted after a reboot, etc, - because people working with children using Sugar have said it's useful. I think it's very important if we want to keep pushing Sugar that we distinguish between design decisions and bugs and unimplemented features. If we bring down good design ideas not by themselves but because of its implementation status, we risk ending up with nothing that brings new value compared to existing desktops. Note that I'm not going to the extreme of saying that we shouldn't consider the feasibility of a design before pushing for it. Regards, Tomeu 2009/5/27 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 19:34, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Tomeu, I've said this before, but maybe I can repeat it once more: 1). I like the idea of the Journal. I would not want to change the Journal proper to support putting items in hierarchies. 2). Having said that, I don't always like the Journal Activity. The biggest problem I have with it is it insists on making things that are NOT in the Journal kind of look like they are. That's a big mistake. I would prefer that SD cards and USB thumb drives that may have files and folders have a totally different user interface from the Journal interface. The interface could be made with a Pygtk tree view. You could copy a file into the Journal, as a Journal entry, or copy a Journal entry into a directory as a file. The file would be named with the title meta tag plus a suffix based on MIME type. Maybe some kind of Journal entries couldn't be copied this way, so copying would not be supported for them. I agree, and thought I was clear in my last email about this. In 0.84 has been work to make this possible, though isn't user visible at this moment. 3). Maybe there would be an option to use the SD card as expansion for the Journal. If you had a 2 gig SD card you could specify that you wanted it treated this way, and from then on your Journal would be 2 GB larger. This option would destroy whatever data was on the SD card to begin with. If you didn't do this, the SD card would have the same interface as a thumb drive. This is part of the original vision but is another task up for grabs. 4). For the Journal proper, I agree that a temporal view has value. However, in addition to that I'd like to sort by the Title meta tag. This would be a natural for etexts, because you could look for a book more easily if they were all in alphabetical order. If you had a large library on your XO the temporal sequence would be annoying. Yup, we have mockups that add this functionality. n_tasks_up_for_grabs++ 5). When several Activities support the same MIME type (Zip files are BOUND to be popular) then there needs to be a way of specifying that a particular Journal entry should be resumed by a particular Activity by default. You should be able to change that default at any time, but once changed you'd be able to open any entry with that default with one click. Right now the only way to make a Zip file Journal entry open with the right Activity with one click is to make the Activity open the Journal entry with the Object Chooser, then save it back out as a new Journal entry. Then the user deletes the original Journal entry. We need something easier than that. Maybe open by default in the last activity it was open
Re: [IAEP] SUGAR DESKTOP on Intel Mac's an alternate solution.
No fiddling required actually. Click import, choose file, boot. VirtualBox is very fast with VT-x and AMD-V. 2009/5/25 Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com: On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote: Lucian; My experience has been that a VM Appliance with player is quite a bit faster and needs less computer resources than Virtual Box OSE. VMWare Player does not exist for OS X so that is not an option. Virtualbox is the only free option that performs acceptably on Windows and OS X Hosts right now. Virtualbox can boot the appliance, I think, with some fiddling around. Dave I have only been working on Ubuntu (9.04 8.04), Fedora 10,11 windows XP as host OS so far. I have made USB sticks with a very small 1 gb Appliance and the .iso file and thus have a USB stick that is the equivalent of a live CD. I run them with the Boot stick of Ubuntu 9.04 live with VMPlayer installed.(Detailed in the wiki) http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/VMware The boot stick, (or an installed VMPlayer )starts a 2nd USB stick containing the SUGAR appliance The advantage: The VMPlayer can be left running without involving the host computer at all... And different students can plug their sticks in for their session on it. they also can go home and run it on their PC's without jeopardizing the integrity of the host PS's The situation should be the same on an Intel Mac : / Cordially; Tom Gilliard Bend Oregon USA Lucian Branescu wrote: Works great with VirtualBox, I don't know about VMware. 2009/5/24 Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com: Hi; There is an possible alternate, interim, solution to let Intel Macs run SUGAR. *Emulation of Fedora 11 SUGAR DESKTOP Appliances.* The procedures to make the Appliances and boot sticks are documented in the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/VMware The VMware web site to get the MAC program fusion and how to convert Linux and Windows Appliances to Mac Fusion format. http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ http://www.vmware.com/download/fusion/windows_to_mac.html I do not have an Intel Mac so I have not tried this yet, but the VMPlayer appliances work very well on Windows and Linux PC's that have a difficult time booting from Soas. Tom Gilliard ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
blessing would be useful for enabling 'boot from USB'. 'boot from CD' or 'boot from USB with helper CD' don't need it. 2009/5/24 Andrea Mangiatordi andrea.mangiato...@gmail.com: Jonas Smedegaard wrote: You cannot run the currently released SoaS on a PowerPC Macintosh. That's why I wrote so I can't test it directly ;) SoaS is only currently compiled for 32bit x86, which works on amd64 but not on PowerPC. Yeah, I had to use jhbuild and precompiled ubuntu packages in order to try and use Sugar. I don't really know if the boot management system is the same on all Macs, what I wanted to say is that there are live Linux distributions for both series and those distros only include free software, so there won't be any need for the developers to use proprietary blessings. Kind regards Andrea -- Andrea Mangiatordi www.farfalla-project.org www.bglug.it ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
rEFIt http://refit.sourceforge.net/ is akin to GRUB, but nicer. It detects and shows all boot options. 2009/5/20 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: This may be helpful too: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1310 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski slope) to show select bootable volumes Sean On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
s/Sugar/Sugar on a Stick/ Still, it should just show up as Linux (USB). 2009/5/20 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 04:26:18PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: And is distinguishing between other linux distros and Sugar even desirable? My macbook is off to be repaired so I can't test, but AFAIK both the SoaS and the .iso should be recognised as Linux by rEFIt and booted. Sugar is *not* a Linux distribution! OLPC is/provides a Linux distribution, in that it contains the classic GNU/Linux base (Linux kernel + some GNU userspace tools) and the Sugar desktop environment on top of that. SoaS is a Linux distribution too. MacOS X is a non-Linux distribution, consisting of the Darwin base with Aqua on top. Debian is a distribution providing (in testing and unstable at least) a choice of multiple bases (Linux, kFreeBSD, Hurd) and multiple desktops (GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, GNUstep and a half-baked Sugar). Sugar itself is distributed (as is most free software), but is not an operating system + some userspace. I would suspect that rEFIt not recognize X11 desktops, and not userspace parts - only kernels. But even if rEFIt recognizes desktops, how to then resolve which is the _main_ desktop, and if the main desktop is the preferred environment over e.g. the terminal or some virtual (X11-based or not) environment. Hope that clarifies (and feel free to disagree with my judgements!). - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoUMKkACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhxwwCfTfaMnDN9Xf+4hmSHk+kCGWBP rnYAoIYMb7mBK8Xgx4DJs0LGXxtETiP2 =Dz99 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
And is distinguishing between other linux distros and Sugar even desirable? My macbook is off to be repaired so I can't test, but AFAIK both the SoaS and the .iso should be recognised as Linux by rEFIt and booted. 2009/5/20 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:03:45PM +1000, Roland Gesthuizen wrote: If somebody here supports the rEFIt developer with a suitable graphics and some technical support, they could include a sugar icon and ensure that it is correctly detected on bootup. This would include any bootable CDROMs in an iMac computer on startup such as Sugar. http://venublog.com/images/mac/refit.png How would that work? I mean, how to distinguish a Sugar-only installation from e.g. a Debian installation containing (among other desktop environments) Sugar? Kind regards, - Jonas ...using rEFIt on my laptop for quite some time :-) - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoUIJgACgkQn7DbMsAkQLgjmgCaAqngaDTVpbsRQTJlhLDcmHTA 0iUAniQwXEKAs7KfPBD2IsFA3ZIAJwac =d+2U -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
Perhaps, but to me it seems a very good option, especially when compared to requiring a helper CD and an arcane key press combination . rEFIt is tiny and quite useful by itself, since the default apple bootloader doesn't offer any feedback. 2009/5/20 Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de: Note that much of the appeal of SoaS comes from not requiring to modify the machine it is about to run on. So rEFIt is no option for general use, it's not what we could recommend to teachers. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] VIA C3 based laptop
AFAIK, ubuntu x86-32 is in fact i386 (unless they changed it recently). For debian, try this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ 2009/5/19 Ashar Iqbal s.ashar.iq...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 08:35:05PM +0500, Ashar Iqbal wrote: I have got a laptop with a VIA C3 cpu. This needs i386 based software. Any suggestions as to how to install / run Sugar on this? I got Fedora 10 installed, but get an error on starting X windows. The only distro I got to work with a GUI on the machine is Mandrake 10... 1) You need a Linux kernel that is *not* optimized for 686. Some distros call it 386 and some call it 486. 2) You need an xorg graphics driver supported by your graphics card. It is probably named unichrome or openchrome. You can also try the vesa driver. 3) You then need Sugar. Either preinstalled, prepackaged or compiled yourself. Sugar comes preinstalled on the SoaS distribution which is based on Fedora - but then you might have problems with the Linux kernel being too optimized or your graphics driver missing. Sugar packages are available for some distros - of varying quality. If you want to build yourself, you might consider doing it on a faster x86 machine and copy it over afterwards. Good luck! - Jonas Packaging Sugar for Debian, which has 486 kernel and openchrome driver, but Sugar is not currently up-to-date. If you are recommending Debian, then please let me have a pointer at what to download. How about Ubuntu (since that is a Debian derivative) - would this work ? Ashar ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
WebDAV is very nice at a first look, but its implementations are so radically different, that using it across OSes is often hopeless (from my limited experience). 2009/5/5 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: Eben Eliason wrote: Something we have talked about in the past is a way for individuals to share content they've created with others, and an obvious means of accomplishing this task is to provide functionality of a View Alice's Journal nature, by which Bob could view Alice's shared content. One exciting approach to implementation is to publish this content as an RSS feed, thus allowing anyone (including non-sugar users) with the right URL to take advantage of it. My favorite publishing standard for this purpose is WebDAV[1]. WebDAV is essentially a lightly specialized form of HTTP, designed specifically for the purpose of allowing users to share files. It's supported directly by Gnome[2][3], KDE[4], Windows (since Win98!)[5], and Mac OS X[6]. Since it's little more than a plain HTTP server, it's also accessible to anyone with a browser, if they have the right URL. WebDAV is also potentially much more capable than plain HTTP. DAV stands for Distributed Authoring and Versioning. WebDAV can be configured as a true Read+Write protocol, and it can even expose the Journal's versioning correctly. There is also an IETF standard for searching a WebDAV share.[7] WebDAV includes per-file metadata, so tagging, and searching based on those tags, is supported. I do not see a need for RSS, if the user can publish files through WebDAV. However, because WebDAV is built around HTTP, such an RSS feed could be created just as with a basic HTTP server. --Ben [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV [2] http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-user-share/2.26/gnome-user-share.html [3] http://www.webdavsystem.com/server/access/gnome_nautilus [4] http://manual.intl.indoglobal.com/apbs02.html [5] http://www.hss.caltech.edu/help/web/webdav/accessing/windowsxp [6] http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Performance/Conceptual/FileSystem/Articles/MacOSXAndFiles.html [7] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5323 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: SoaS on a MacBook?
I think if you have rEFIt, you don't need the helper. 2009/4/22 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com: On 21 Apr 2009, at 21:38, Caroline Meeks wrote: I'm pretty sure you will definitely need the CD Helper. But I was able to boot my iBook with one so I'm very much looking forward to your results! Just a quick report on trying to boot Soas2-200904161412.iso on a MacBookPro without luck. I'm pretty sure the soas-boot.iso boot CD was working well, but after the Fedora boot loader and some hopeful looking USB key flickering, it just sits there with a black screen, and eventually I had to just hard power off. USB (2Gb) key was built in Fedora-10 following instructions as per: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux The one item I did notice is that the USB key's I have available both ship as FAT32 format (I'm reluctant to reformat). Does the soas- boot.iso boot a FAT32 stick for anybody else? Regards, --Gary P.S. The Soas2-200904161412.iso boots fine in VirtualBox, though I know of no way of making VirtualBox boot from USB to test the stick image directly (just CD/HD/network/iso). Thanks, Caroline On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi... I've been trying to get the SugarLabs usb stick, Walter so kindly sent, to boot on my MacBook. I can get it to recognize the stick but when I try to boot from it, following the instructions from Apple Tech Support, it goes instead into OSX. The stick shows as a third drive on my desktop and I can open it and see that the files are there. The read me file comes up blank. I think someone mentioned having to use something they may have called a virtual box to get it to boot on the Mac. I hope someone can fill me in on how to do this. I want to be able to show it at the LAUSD InfoTech event at the LA Convention Center this Saturday. So, I do still have some time to work out the kinks. The Mac I am using is an Intel based MacBook so this should work. I just need to have the instructions! Hi, You might be able to boot using the boot helper CD. http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/soas-boot.iso Hold down 'c' when booting to boot off the CD and it should recognize the USB stick and continue booting from there. If that doesn't work you can try the VirtualBox instructions here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/VirtualBox Good Luck. Dave Thanks! Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: SoaS on a MacBook?
I have a macbook pro, I'll research this when I have some time. 2009/4/22 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 09:15, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: I think if you have rEFIt, you don't need the helper. The Fedora live image stuff has several references to EFI, we should ask them what support have macs with their live offerings. Regards, Tomeu 2009/4/22 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com: On 21 Apr 2009, at 21:38, Caroline Meeks wrote: I'm pretty sure you will definitely need the CD Helper. But I was able to boot my iBook with one so I'm very much looking forward to your results! Just a quick report on trying to boot Soas2-200904161412.iso on a MacBookPro without luck. I'm pretty sure the soas-boot.iso boot CD was working well, but after the Fedora boot loader and some hopeful looking USB key flickering, it just sits there with a black screen, and eventually I had to just hard power off. USB (2Gb) key was built in Fedora-10 following instructions as per: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux The one item I did notice is that the USB key's I have available both ship as FAT32 format (I'm reluctant to reformat). Does the soas- boot.iso boot a FAT32 stick for anybody else? Regards, --Gary P.S. The Soas2-200904161412.iso boots fine in VirtualBox, though I know of no way of making VirtualBox boot from USB to test the stick image directly (just CD/HD/network/iso). Thanks, Caroline On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi... I've been trying to get the SugarLabs usb stick, Walter so kindly sent, to boot on my MacBook. I can get it to recognize the stick but when I try to boot from it, following the instructions from Apple Tech Support, it goes instead into OSX. The stick shows as a third drive on my desktop and I can open it and see that the files are there. The read me file comes up blank. I think someone mentioned having to use something they may have called a virtual box to get it to boot on the Mac. I hope someone can fill me in on how to do this. I want to be able to show it at the LAUSD InfoTech event at the LA Convention Center this Saturday. So, I do still have some time to work out the kinks. The Mac I am using is an Intel based MacBook so this should work. I just need to have the instructions! Hi, You might be able to boot using the boot helper CD. http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/soas-boot.iso Hold down 'c' when booting to boot off the CD and it should recognize the USB stick and continue booting from there. If that doesn't work you can try the VirtualBox instructions here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/VirtualBox Good Luck. Dave Thanks! Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Call for Testers (New Snapshot!)
The ISO boots up fine in VirtualBox. Again, the vmdk appliance doesn't. http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/677 2009/4/4 Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com: Hi folks, the SoaS team has another snapshot ready for testing - it's absolutely important that it get's tested as much as possible for our release! You can grab it from here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200904031934.iso If you're going to put it on a USB key or a SD card under Linux, please make sure to use exactly this version of livecd-iso-to-disk, as you might encounter issues with other versions, which are around: http://shell.sugarlabs.org/sdz/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh There's also a new appliance snapshot available, but testing should really focus on the .iso file for now: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/appliances/soas2-20090403.tar.gz What has changed? * We're now supporting locales! You can change it in the control panel. * You'll notice our funky boot screen - no hotdog anymore... ;) * Browse has been updated - including skin and default page changes! Again, please give it a try. And if you think that we should include this or that specific activity, make sure to come up with it! So long, thanks and happy testing, --Your SoaS Team ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ars technica
I can help translating to Romanian, if that helps. 2009/3/26 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: Please, if there is anyone who can help translating our press release into Portugese, Italian, or any other language besides the four we had at launch, I would be very grateful. thanks Sean Marketing Coordinator ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Hello, I'm an aspiring GSoC student
Well, Hello! I'm a stage 1 student and I have some experience with Python, JavaScript, SQL and web development in general. I'm also very excited about open source, I use a lot of it and have made small contributions. I'm fascinated about how networks and the web work and I'm continuously amazed at how easy it is do to some otherwise complicated things (google docs, gmail, bespin, openid). I've been thinking about ways to easily extend web apps to the desktop for a while now. I'm using Gears and Fluid (webkit SSB) constantly and I have researched Prism, AIR, Silverlight). A related dream of mine was making an IDE similar to the one provided by Adobe for Flash and Flex development that instead 'compiles' to standard html5 with javascript and optional extensions like gears for more desktop integration. So it shouldn't be at all surprising that I got excited about this http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas#AJAX_Sugar_aka_Karma I would need a small browser with a bridge to python. Ideally, I would use Pyjamas desktop http://pyjd.sourceforge.net/ as a base, but something like the demo gtk webkit browser or Midori should suffice, as long as I get to Python html+js land asap. I'd rather stay away from XPCOM and PyXPCOM, although hulahop may be alright. I need to check out Titanium to see if it's suitable. The small framework I would build would provide a way to call python code from the javascript in pages (either through ajax or by injecting things into the DOM, if not too complicated) and a nice javascript API on top of that for interacting with Sugar. Perhaps also provide a CSS file an HTML template that match the default Sugar theme. I'd like to use jQuery to make javascript bearable. The demo would be all html + javascript. I have some questions: - would the storage have to be in Sugar or can html5/gears persistence be used? - on a related note, what integration with Sugar is expected? - i couldn't find any material concerning javascript and dbus. is there anything in Sugar (or somewhere else) that would help, or would I have to build my own (perhaps on top of the python-js bridge)? I would very much like the opportunity to work on this, but I'm not familiar with any Sugar code. The closest I ever got to it was 10 minutes of using an OLPC. Thanks for your time! ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
